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Wannabeknowitall
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Here are some interesting fact. Of the 15 previous winners of Wimbledon, only two have played a grass warm-up the year they won Wimbledon. Those two were Jana Novotna and Maria Sharapova and those two won the warm-ups they played in. Also the last five winners of Eastbourne have not made it pass the fourth round of Wimbledon a week later.
Do you think this trend will continue at this year's Wimbledon? Discuss.

darrinbaker00
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:23 PM
As a Venus fan, I certainly hope so. ;)

Shenanigans
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:29 PM
I don't think Serena and Venus have ever played one, Steffi and Lindsay only played one when they had been injured and lacking in match practice.
I guess they feel they can get warmed up on grass in their first couple of matches but it can back fire, Justine's loss last year and Steffi's lost in the Ist round to Lori McNeil.
The grass court season is so short they are not really a predictor of what will happen at Wimbledon.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:34 PM
As a Venus fan, I certainly hope so. ;)
It works for the Martina fans too. :lol: It's not incredibly bad news for Justine either. This is interesting though. The last five winners of Eastbourne have not made it past the fourth round of Wimbledon a week later. :tape: Ouch.

darrinbaker00
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:46 PM
It works for the Martina fans too. :lol: It's not incredibly bad news for Justine either. This is interesting though. The last five winners of Eastbourne have not made it past the fourth round of Wimbledon a week later. :tape: Ouch.
The main reason for that, I think, is that there really isn't a grass-court season; there's two weeks after Roland Garros, then BOOM, Wimbledon. Those so-called "tournaments" are really nothing more than paid practice sessions.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:51 PM
I don't think Serena and Venus have ever played one


Actually Venus did play a grass warm up in '99 or '98 I believe.

raquel
Jun 24th, 2006, 09:44 PM
I don't think Serena and Venus have ever played one, Venus played Eastbourne way back in 1997 where she beat Chanda in 1R and lost to Tauziat in 2R. She played it again in 1998 and lost to Zvereva in 1R. Serena played Eastbourne way back in 1998 too - she beat Sawamatsu and Sugiyama then lost to ASV in the QF. Since then, neither have played between RG and Wimbledon. Grass warm up events are not necessary but a lot of players prefer practicing with competitive matches than playing just practice matches.

auntie janie
Jun 24th, 2006, 09:49 PM
The worst-case scenario for a Wimbledon warm-up happened to Julie Halard-Decugis in 2000. She won the Eastbourne title, raising Wimbledon hopes for us fans -- then lost there in the FIRST ROUND to Kristie Boogert, 7-6 (7-4), 0-6, 6-1. She just ran out of gas. :bigcry:

Sure hope that doesn't happen to Justine. :eek:

jamatthews
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Kuznetsova lsot in the 1st round after winning Eastbourne 2 years ago as well didn't she?

Of course the last 2 years the Eastbourne winner has gone on to take the US Open too. :angel:

henmanhill
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Kuznetsova lsot in the 1st round after winning Eastbourne 2 years ago as well didn't she?

Of course the last 2 years the Eastbourne winner has gone on to take the US Open too. :angel:
Which goes to show you make stats "prove" just about anything you want! :lol:

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:54 PM
of course they are

Abizack
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:55 PM
Necessary to win the tourney or to do well at the Big W even thoughy uo are nto the favorite to win? I am sure it has helped some players do much better than they would have without the warm up. Just because they do not the tourney does not mean it was not helpful. Ranking points can be helped, money, etc.

watchdogfish
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:58 PM
Necessary to win the tourney or to do well at the Big W even thoughy uo are nto the favorite to win? I am sure it has helped some players do much better than they would have without the warm up. Just because they do not the tourney does not mean it was not helpful. Ranking points can be helped, money, etc.

Yeah and also I think it helps them get the feel for the grass surface after many weeks on clay

Drake1980
Jun 25th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Hopefully Justines Eastbourne Title will pay off for her at Wimbledon.

Abizack
Jun 25th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Yeah and also I think it helps them get the feel for the grass surface after many weeks on clay

Hell yeah! So weird that they have (2) slams so close together and they are the extreme opposite. So little love for grass is shwon it is not even funny.

watchdogfish
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Hell yeah! So weird that they have (2) slams so close together and they are the extreme opposite. So little love for grass is shwon it is not even funny.

Yep and they wonder why the grass court specialist is dying out!

crazillo
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:25 PM
Well top players usually can become comfortable with the surface quickly after a few rounds, esp. as there are hardly any Gc specialists out there who could create damage on the surface.

I think a toruney before Wimbledon isn't bad, but yet the season is too short.

Some players can't play three weeks in a row and Birmigham is too small for most of the players to get a good test and it's tough for them to adjust to it when they got deep into RG.
Therefore I would prefer a break of one week after RG and one more week filled up with preperation tournaments. You could easily throw out one of the US HC events for that IMo.

jenny161185
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:30 PM
I read somewhere Justine was very happy to be able to play a warm up as she had to week to adapt her game from the clay which is good

blumaroo
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Not to mention Koukalova who won Ordina Open last year and lost in the first round.

Il Primo!
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:44 PM
It depends upon the player

Volcana
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Those so-called "tournaments" are really nothing more than paid practice sessions.Eastbourne has been played since the middle 70's, and the champions list is a 'Who's Who' of the sport. All the best players used to play that tournament, until the early 90's. Then, for some reason, fewer and fewer of them did.

2005 Clijsters........ d. Douchevina
2004 Kuznetsova....... d. Hantuchova
2003 Rubin............ d. Martinez
2002 Rubin............ d. Myskina
2001 Davenport........ d. Serna
2000 Halard-Decugis... d. Van Roost
1999 Zvereva.......... d. Tauziat
1998 Novotna.......... d. Sanchez-Vicario
1997 Sanchez-Vicario.. v. Novotna
1996 Seles............ d. Fernandez
1995 Tauziat.......... d. Rubin
1994 McGrath.......... d. Wild
1993 Navratilova...... d. Oremans
1992 McNeil........... d. Wild
1991 Navratilova...... d. Sanchez-Vicario
1990 Navratilova...... d. Magers
1989 Navratilova...... d. Reggi-Concato
1988 Navratilova...... d. Zvereva
1987 Sukova........... d. Navratilova
1986 Navratilova...... d. Sukova
1985 Navratilova...... d. Sukova
1984 Navratilova...... d. Jordan
1983 Navratilova...... d. Turnbull
1982 Navratilova...... d. Mandlikova
1981 Austin........... d. Jaeger
1980 Austin........... d. Turnbull
1979 Evert............ d. Navratilova
1978 Navratilova...... d. Evert
1976 Evert............ d. Wade
1975 Wade............. d. King

Talula
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:51 PM
Eastbourne has been played since the middle 70's, and the champions list is a 'Who's Who' of the sport. All the best players used to play that tournament, until the early 90's. Then, for some reason, fewer and fewer of them did.

2005 Clijsters........ d. Douchevina
2004 Kuznetsova....... d. Hantuchova
2003 Rubin............ d. Martinez
2002 Rubin............ d. Myskina
2001 Davenport........ d. Serna
2000 Halard-Decugis... d. Van Roost
1999 Zvereva.......... d. Tauziat
1998 Novotna.......... d. Sanchez-Vicario
1997 Sanchez-Vicario.. v. Novotna
1996 Seles............ d. Fernandez
1995 Tauziat.......... d. Rubin
1994 McGrath.......... d. Wild
1993 Navratilova...... d. Oremans
1992 McNeil........... d. Wild
1991 Navratilova...... d. Sanchez-Vicario
1990 Navratilova...... d. Magers
1989 Navratilova...... d. Reggi-Concato
1988 Navratilova...... d. Zvereva
1987 Sukova........... d. Navratilova
1986 Navratilova...... d. Sukova
1985 Navratilova...... d. Sukova
1984 Navratilova...... d. Jordan
1983 Navratilova...... d. Turnbull
1982 Navratilova...... d. Mandlikova
1981 Austin........... d. Jaeger
1980 Austin........... d. Turnbull
1979 Evert............ d. Navratilova
1978 Navratilova...... d. Evert
1976 Evert............ d. Wade
1975 Wade............. d. King


It is sad that it dropped off the last few years, but with the field this year I'm hoping it emerges again. I remember that Hingis always played in Holland before Wimbly and I would love to see her in Eastbourne. I've given up hoping Venus or Serena will come to Eastbourne!

Prizeidiot
Jun 26th, 2006, 07:12 AM
Now, maybe not so much. The transition from clay to grass isn't nearly as difficult as it use to be. Grass has never been more consistent or as slow as it is now.

Mind you, I'm sure every player at the very least tries to get a hit on some grass courts before Wimbledon

Prizeidiot
Jun 26th, 2006, 07:13 AM
By the way, does anyone have the Wimbledon record of semifinalists at the Ordina Open? :p