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tennisIlove09
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:16 AM
These voices don't mince words

By: JOHN MAFFEI - Staff Writer Mary Carillo isn't afraid to speak her mind.

That's what separates her from the norm and makes her one of the top analysts in sports.

Carillo and the ESPN2 tennis crew of Dick Enberg, Cliff Drysdale, Tim Ryan, Patrick McEnroe, Mary Joe Fernandez, Brad Gilbert and Pam Shriver will take center court starting Monday for more than 119 hours of coverage from Wimbledon.



Carillo listened with interest last Sunday as NBC's Johnny Miller ripped Phil Mickelson during Mickelson's meltdown on the 18th hole of golf's U.S. Open.

Miller's frank and honest commentary of Mickelson's collapse was the highlight of the network's coverage.

But announcers like Miller and Carillo, announcers who are loved by TV critics, often draw the wrath of the players, who mistake honest, open and professional commentary for personal attacks.

"I've been in more penalty boxes than anyone," Carillo said. "As thoughts leave my mouth, I often realize, 'That will cost me a year with that person.'"

Carillo said Andre Agassi doesn't talk to her. She has gone years without speaking to Venus Williams. Serena Williams isn't happy with her. And Maria Sharapova also isn't pleased with Carillo because of things said at the Nasdaq-100.

"I just wish players looked over the body of work, rather than one or two comments," Carillo said. "My job is to take the information I have and back it up with opinions. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Criticism from players and coaches is just part of the business."

As captain of the U.S. Davis Cup team, McEnroe finds himself in a unique position.

"There are times where what I say (hacks off) my guys," McEnroe said. "I think they respect my honesty on the air. And if they have a problem, we'll sit down and talk. I don't comment on what happens off the court, but what happens on the court. I'll tell the viewers if I think a player is using the right strategy."

While McEnroe admires Miller's work, he said tennis commentary is different from golf.

"In golf, one shot, one bad decision, one bad club choice can make all the difference," McEnroe said. "And the commentator has some time to think and talk about it.

"In tennis, unless someone tries a shot between his legs, you concentrate a player's strategy. I try and focus on strategy because that's what the viewers want."

What the viewer really wants is good, honest commentary. In Carillo and Miller, they get it.

More tennis


> ESPN2's coverage from Wimbledon will start at 5 a.m. most days and run until about 2 p.m. A "Wake Up to Wimbledon" pre-match show starts at 4 a.m. ESPN2 has coverage through the July 6-7 women's and men's semifinals. NBC has the finals.

> ESPN2 has become the home of professional tennis. Len DeLuca, senior vice president of programming and acquisitions for ESPN, said all tennis has moved to ESPN2 because the network doesn't have to program around "SportsCenter." Plus, with ESPN2 there is flexibility to stay on the air past a cutoff point if a match merits.

> With Wimbledon, World Cup soccer, Major League Baseball, and the College World Series playing and with the NBA Finals recently completed, there was some fear ESPN, ESPN2 and ABC were spread too thin. But Jed Drake, senior vice president and executive producer of remote production, said each event has its own crew and equipment.

"With all these events, plus the French Open and the Belmont Stakes just completed, and the All-Star Home Run Derby coming up, we're in an alignment of the planets never seen before in television history," Drake said. "And we put tennis right at the top of what we do."

Local notes


> Lee Hamilton's "Hacksaw's Hottest Headlines" segments will now be featured at 15 and 45 minutes after each hour from 5-9 a.m. weekdays on KOGO (600). Plus, Hamilton can be heard at the same times from 3-6 p.m. on KOGO. Hamilton still has a weekend talk show on KSPA (570) from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Saturdays and Sundays.

> Brian Wilson, assistant program director and "Mr. Versatile" at Double X Sports Radio 1090, has left the station and taken a position at Clear Channel, where he'll work on sales and programming on Chargers broadcasts. With Wilson gone, look for Josh Rosenberg and Jack Cronin to get more air time at 1090.

> With the Padres in first place in the NL West, interest in the team is way up and 1090 is reaping the benefits. On the Arbitrends released earlier this week, 1090 checked in with a 2.6 rating, the station's best since last summer's 2.8 when the Padres were making their charge to the NL West title.

Do the Dew


Carlsbad's Shaun White, the Olympic gold medalist known as "The Flying Tomato," trades his snowboard for a skateboard this weekend as NBC and USA air coverage from the Dew Action Sports Tour.

Action starts at midnight tonight on USA from the Panasonic Open in Louisville and continues at 1 p.m. Saturday and noon Sunday on NBC and midnight Saturday on USA with more than 150 action-sports athletes competing for more than $1 million in prize money. Tonight's action on USA features BMX park and dirt competition. Saturday on NBC, it's freestyle motocross; Saturday night on USA, it's more BMX.

White is the featured performer Sunday on NBC, competing in Skate Vert.

Ratings game


> The six-game Dallas-Miami NBA Finals on ABC averaged an 8.5 rating. That's up from an 8.2 last season's San Antonio-Detroit final. The 8.5, however, is the third-lowest rating since the finals began airing in prime time. Still, all six games of the finals won their nights for ABC. The all-time low NBA Finals rating was a 6.5 in 2003 for San Antonio-New Jersey. Tuesday's Game 6, in which the Heat eliminated the Mavericks, did a solid 10.1 rating, up from an 8.8 last season.

> Last Saturday's World Cup soccer match between the U.S and Italy averaged a 4.3 rating for ABC, or 4.784 million households. That made it the highest-rated and most-viewed men's World Cup telecast on the network since the 1998 France-Brazil final, which did a 5.7 rating.

> ABC's three World Cup matches last weekend did a 2.2 rating, up 69 percent from 2002. ESPN2's first 18 World Cup telecasts averaged a 1.3 rating, up 117 percent from 2002.

> Game 7 of the NHL's Stanley Cup Finals on Monday pulled a 3.3 rating for NBC, down 21 percent from 2004, the last NHL season before the 2005 lockout. NBC finished with a 2.3 rating for its five finals games. ABC did a 2.6 rating for five finals contests in 2004.

Conferences align


> ESPN, ABC and the Big Ten Conference reached a 10-year agreement for extensive action beginning with the 2007-08 season and continuing through 2016-17. The deal will deliver 110 Big Ten events a year, including football, men's and women's basketball and women's volleyball. ABC will carry up 17 Big Ten football games each season, while ESPN and ESPN2 will carry up to 25. ESPN and ESPN2 will carry more than 40 men's basketball games, which will include Tuesday and Thursday night telecasts, plus the ACC/Big Ten Challenge and the Big Ten Tournament.

> CSTV has a deal to carry 25 Mountain West Conference football games as well as 150 basketball games and more than 200 other events. Sounds great, but Cox Communications ---- the largest cable provider in San Diego ---- still doesn't have a deal with CSTV. And that's a big deal because San Diego State is a member of the MWC. Speaking of CSTV, the network has a nice 5 p.m. Sunday feature on Brett Elliott, a non-drafted, free-agent quarterback from Linfield College in Oregon, who is trying to stick with the Chargers. Oh, sorry ---- CSTV isn't available in San Diego.

Around the dial


> Winky Wright, coming off last Saturday's controversial draw against middleweight champion Jermain Taylor, will be the guest analyst on tonight's ESPN2 "Friday Night Fights" bout, featuring Joachim Alcine (26-0, 18 KOs) and Javier Mamami (28-4-1, 16 KOs) in a 12-round WBA junior-middleweight eliminator bout. Airtime is 6 p.m.

> Golf fans get a bonus event ---- the ING Par-3 Shootout on Monday and Tuesday. The event, which airs at 7 p.m. Monday and 5 p.m. Tuesday on ESPN2, features Andy North, Phil Mickelson, Fred Couples and Craig Stadler.

> Tuesday's "Big Break All-Star Challenge" at 7:30 p.m. Monday on The Golf Channel pits Texas Rangers players Mark Teixeira, Kevin Mench, Mark DeRosa and Gerald Laird against each other. Upcoming challenges include the Chicago White Sox and members of the 1972 Miami Dolphins.

> There is a good chance that swimming from the 2008 Beijing Olympics will be held in the morning local time, which means they could be shown live in prime time in the U.S. If that comes to pass, it would be great to switch track and field to the mornings, too.

Staff writer John Maffei's TV/Radio Column appears every Friday. He can be reached at (760) 740-3547 or jmaffei@nctimes.com (jmaffei@nctimes.com).

oakkao
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:17 AM
Can't balme em :shrug: She's such a pessimist! :rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:36 AM
She's a very poor commentator in my opinion, very negative.

Glad Andre, Williamsx2, and Maria are ignoring the shit out of her- she isn't worth their time.

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:41 AM
Really though, they (the griping players) would be nothing without the coverage. Sometimes she just grasps at things to say, but most of the time it's a good opinion, based on her facts and insight...not always right... but based on "something" nonetheless. She does "color commentary"... she clearly does what she's supposed to do, and the fact that she knows the game adds so much more for the viewers.
THEY ARE PROS... they should take the negative about their game as well as the positive. I'm always amazed that NBA players... paid HUGE BUCKS for what they do... miss free throws. OTH that's not why they are on the team. It could be for their offense or defense... and the coach ignores the free throws. Look at the top five right now...(Amelie, Kim, Justine, Maria, and Nadia) in their games alone they have DRASTIC differnces, and then when you look at fitness and commitment and distractions... there are even more differences between them. SO WHY NOT POINT IT OUT! It impacts their game and color commentators need to pick up on that.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:41 AM
She's been very negative towards the Williams Sisters for pretty much the last eight years. She was pretty bias in her commentations during the Wimbledon final last year as well. She was literally rooting on Lindsay.
I'm feel no sympathy towards Mary and I hope she knows that saying that Venus deserves the number one seed at this slam will not put her in Venus' good graces.

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:44 AM
Really though, they (the griping players) would be nothing without the coverage. Sometimes she just grasps at things to say, but most of the time it's a good opinion, based on her facts and insight...not always right... but based on "something" nonetheless. She does "color commentary"... she clearly does what she's supposed to do, and the fact that she knows the game adds so much more for the viewers.
THEY ARE PROS... they should take the negative about their game as well as the positive. I'm always amazed that NBA players... paid HUGE BUCKS for what they do... miss free throws. OTH that's not why they are on the team. It could be for their offense or defense... and the coach ignores the free throws. Look at the top five right now...(Amelie, Kim, Justine, Maria, and Nadia) in their games alone they have DRASTIC differnces, and then when you look at fitness and commitment and distractions... there are even more differences between them. SO WHY NOT POINT IT OUT! It impacts their game and color commentators need to pick up on that.I don't like Mary at all, she never, ever, shuts up. Most of the time she annoys me so much, I put her on ignore.

treufreund
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:47 AM
She is an equal opportunity hater. She is very mean to Williams sisters, moans about Lindsay's bad attitude, openly hoped for Justine to get booed at Roland Garros (and found it tough when that did not happen and instead justine defended the title without dropping a set) and apparently has ragged on Sharapova (And myskina and Dementieva,etc, etc) . Sometimes I like Mary but she really needs to stop pretending like she is judge, jury and executioner.

Infiniti2001
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:50 AM
I've always defended Mary here, because I find her somewhat witty and she's a woman in a man's world ... But the level of respect I had for her went down considerably when she outwardly rooted against Venus last year. I'm happy Vee shut her up for a few minutes , although not too pleased that Ted Robinson was the one yapping :lol:

Dan23
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Im happy we dont have to listen to her over here :cool:

MH0861
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:52 AM
I vividly remember her acting like it was a foregone conclusion Lindsay was going to win the Championship at 6-5 in the second last year. :sad:

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:56 AM
.....

I like Mary. :shrug:

PLP
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:00 AM
I've mostly enjoyed her actually. She is brutally honest sometimes but that is her job IMO and if the players won't talk to her it seems pretty immature to me, especially Agassi, I never remember her saying bad things about him at all. As far as Mary wanting Davenport to win last year...she is only human and it may have been Davenport's best last chance to win a GS considering her age, maybe that has something to do with it? I don't think she 'hates' Venus and Serena at all, but I tend to not take anything that commentators say to heart unless it is an outright lie...

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:04 AM
I don't like Mary at all, she never, ever, shuts up. Most of the time she annoys me so much, I put her on ignore.

That's okay not to like her, we ALL have commentators we don't like. And it's okay for players not to like her, but players need to realize they are in a position to take the negative with the good. And when they pout at a French Open Awards ceremoney and need to have their mother drag them out on the court, or when they skip training for their boyfirend's NHL parities, or skip practice for hollywood permiers...they need to grow up and realize that was the choice they made... and they need to accept it could impact their game and their standing with fans and commentators. The one thing I like about Mary is that she really does want the players to achieve at the level they are capable of achieving at... I think she gets ticked when they fall short of that because of not being focused, poor training or a lack of commitment... and that's when she goes overboard... but in her mind... for cause!

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:06 AM
I don't buy it.

Equating abrasiveness with greatness is absurd when discussing Mary Carillo.

Mary Carillo used to be a good tennis commentator. She used to give constructive criticism without getting personal. However, she learned that if she bashes women's tennis well enough, some of her male collegues over at ESPN might possibly give her other assignments. And they did.

She sold out women's tennis to further her career.

That type of abrasiveness has never been great for women's tennis or women's sports. Carillo did in fact prove her testosterone-might in sports commentating and placated the sexist sports media.

And she accomplished ALL of this without ever being a great tennis player or making it to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

Now that's something to be proud of! You no good, untrustworthy witch.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:07 AM
Her harshness is not to be confused with honesty. She talks like a foolish woman. She has ZERO interest in analyzing the match she's supposed to be commentating. I remember Wimby last year and I was simply amazed at how she belittled Venus' shots, all but calling them lucky because of the surface, but she praised Linds'.

The first time I heard her, I loved her commentary, color and all. She has gotten worse. She thrives on rumours, makes them up herself, and prefers to put her spin on things rather than just quote players. Maybe she just doesn't belong there. She seems to be rather grudgeful too. And definitely biased.

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:12 AM
I don't buy it.

Equating abrasiveness with greatness is absurd when discussing Mary Carillo.

Mary Carillo used to be a good tennis commentator. She used to give constructive criticism without getting personal. However, she learned that if she bashes women's tennis well enough, some of her male collegues over at ESPN might possibly give her other assignments. And they did.

She sold out women's tennis to further her career.

That type of abrasiveness has never been great for women's tennis or women's sports. Carillo did in fact prove her testosterone might in sports commentating and placated the sexist sports media.

And she accomplished ALL of this without ever being a great tennis player or making it to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

Now that's something to be proud of! :fiery:

Women's tennis isn't abrasive?

Stare downs?
Refusal to shake hands?
Calling out dads for coaching?
Saying others have nothing to hurt you?
Crossing to the otherside of the court to question a call?
Tanking a match, cause you can't stand the opponent?
Allowing your parents to attack your opponents?
Devaulting when opponents are one game away from the match?
Taking medical timeouts and bathroom breaks to throw off your opponent?

Anna F'd Enrique
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:16 AM
Mary Carillo is my favorite commentator. She is hilarious!!

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:18 AM
Oh give me a break. Those kind of things are not made a big deal of in men's tenis. If you cannot see the blatant sexist way in which the WTA tour is managed then...(Think back to the way they promotoed JHH's match..what a piece of madness!!). And these are professional tennis commentators. Pat McEnroe had to tell them to chill. PAT MCENROE!!!lol. Shameful.

You know, the other day a thought came to mind that there is some kind of conspiracy to tear down the WTA, and it included Carillo. Carillo always said the unpopular thing, but it was fine until she started making drama out of it, and putting a spin on it. Now some say it's her opinion, but when she puts the spin on facts, it's pretty much a LIE!

And I think she makes it personal against the Williams sister. Yes she thinks Serena can dominate....but listen to how she describes them; Venus is lucky on grass.. etc.

She used to be tolerable , now quite a few people have to watch tennis with the tv on mute.

le bon vivant
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:19 AM
LMAO!
Bitch, you do get personal. I'll never forget how Serena got ripped to shreds from stem to stern at the Australian Open last year. I mean from Round ONE to the damn final. :lol:

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:21 AM
And she analyzes NO match. She is quiet for minutes on end only to break the silence by repeating a story having nothing to do with women's tennis much less the match being played. She offers nothing but: "she is hitting a nice ball" or "she's lucky it's grass".lol. Women's tennis will actually gain if she does not commentate. There is nothing that she has done in recent memory to promote or benefit tennis. NOTHING!

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:22 AM
LOL. I like how Mary speaks her mind. She's also a riot. Refreshing. It seems I'm one of the minorities on here who enjoy her commentary. :shrug:

Anne K.
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:22 AM
[QUOTE=PLP]I've mostly enjoyed her actually. She is brutally honest sometimes but that is her job IMO and if the players won't talk to her it seems pretty immature to me, especially Agassi, I never remember her saying bad things about him at all.= QUOTE]

You probably haven't been following tennis for very long, but Mary really
used to rag on Andre, about how he was wasting his talent, yadda yadda
yadda--this was before he won Roland Garros in '99. I don't know what
Mary's done lately to piss him off--I remember her mentioning a few years
ago how she had spent some time with Andre and Steffi and how 'cute'
they were together!! I agree, Andre's old enough to take it like a man,
but I think it must have been something negative she said about Steffi
to piss him off so much he won't talk to her (Mary). :confused:

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:23 AM
LMAO!
Bitch, you do get personal. I'll never forget how Serena got ripped to shreds from stem to stern at the Australian Open last year. I mean from Round ONE to the damn final. :lol:


And she doesn't stop. it's as if there is some real mean streak in her and she goes on and on. She wouldn't dwell on the positive or the nuances of the game, no sir, she gets personal. I've seen it so many times with her.

Dunlop1
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:23 AM
I have 2 problems with Mary Carillo's commentary.
1. She didn't do jack in the sport. Her lack of skill and play on the top levels makes it hard for her to relate to what it is the players are doing and going through. SHe never had a tough match (Pls don't mention her doubles GS win. Talk about being carried!)
Cliff Drysdale for example, even though I think he's a bore, he will comment on the technique and tactics the player is employing. I enjoy when he freeze frames players strokes. He did it for JHH's Backhand and backhand slice and a number of players with western grips to show the racquet head acceleration and how closed the face is during the takeback.
That is commentary that is educative and interesting.
Carillo just says 'her serve is whack!'.
Okaaaay, Carillo, what is whack about the serve? When a John Macenroe is in the booth, you know your commentator has CREDIBILITY in the sport.
Sorry but Carillo comes up short in that department.
(She's not the only one btw. Dick Enberg didn't play pro tennis at all and his commentary is VERY poor. Plus he is always messing up the score :lol: )

2. She talks too DAMN MUCH. Shut it for a second Mary.
At first she was spouting and denouncing the instant replay at Indian Wells and Miami like she was God. You could tell Cliff Drysdale wanted to sock it to her. She just wouldn't stop.
Then she tells you a players life history while crucial points are being played. I don't want to hear for the 5th time that such and such player migrated from war torn Serbia and didn't see their family for 10 years, while said player is down 3 break points!!
Anyhow I frequently mute the button when I'm watching matches on ESPN2.
Thank God for the Tennis Channel.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:23 AM
I remember Wimby last year and I was simply amazed at how she belittled Venus' shots, all but calling them lucky because of the surface, but she praised Linds'.

What the hell are you people talking about?!? I have the tape and I have watched it MANY times, and she never "belittled" anything Venus did...the only time she talked about Venus and the surface was when she would talk about how Venus is better on grass because she has less time to think about her shots...how is that belittling??? And she praised Venus many times. "How do you raise a child who knows she's at her best when she's match point down?"

Oh yeah...that's harsh right there. :rolleyes: From one Venus fan to another, get real.

oakkao
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:25 AM
Interesting how a commentator who supposedly hates the Williams repeatedly says that if Serena came back at full strength she'd be dominating the tour again. If that's hate, I'd like to see her when she's being complimentary.

Mary is critical of all players equally, and she analyzes really well; nor is she afraid to say the unpopular thing, or the thing that everyone is thinking but won't have the balls to say. I actually like her quite a bit. Doesn't mean I agree with her all the time, but I think she does good work.
Being hateful doesn't mean being totally oblivious to the truth my friend. For example, people dislike Sharapova; however, her talent can't be denied.


I hate Eminem or whatever his name is, but I will admit, he's a very good rapper.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:26 AM
1. She didn't do jack in the sport.

So I guess you must be a grand slam champion to qualify to be a tennis commentater? :shrug:

MH0861
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:27 AM
Cliff Drysdale for example, even though I think he's a bore, he will comment on the technique and tactics the player is employing. I enjoy when he freeze frames players strokes. He did it for JHH's Backhand and backhand slice and a number of players with western grips to show the racquet head acceleration and how closed the face is during the takeback.
That is commentary that is educative and interesting.
Carillo just says 'her serve is whack!'.


:haha: SO true.

Knizzle
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:27 AM
What the hell are you people talking about?!? I have the tape and I have watched it MANY times, and she never "belittled" anything Venus did...the only time she talked about Venus and the surface was when she would talk about how Venus is better on grass because she has less time to think about her shots...how is that belittling??? And she praised Venus many times. "How do you raise a child who knows she's at her best when she's match point down?"

Oh yeah...that's harsh right there. :rolleyes: From one Venus fan to another, get real.

There's a reason Venus hasn't talked to her in years, do you think Venus is wrong about her?? It's not fair to say that Venus is only making her shots because she's playing on grass.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:28 AM
So I guess you must be a grand slam champion to qualify to be a tennis commentater? :shrug:

If you are going to criticize the way multiple singles slam winners play, you better bring something more to the table than a mixed doubles slam title. Otherwise, you might appear to not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Its called credibility.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:29 AM
Junlee, thanks for reminding me of what she said. She made Venus out to be some kind of aimless ball basher who is successful on grass because she just hits to her heart's content. Noticed she NEVER said that about Linds. Why? And she repeated this all the time. All the time.

Now could you do me a favor and remind me how she described Linds' play? Please.


And it does annoy me so much when at a crucial stage in the match or on a very great point, she just goes on oblivious to what;s happening as if that can wait her story is sooo much better.

And to that person who ask if we care so much what she thinks, the answer is NO! We want her to just call the match or shut up.lol That's why we put her on mute.

partbrit
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:30 AM
Saying, before last year's Wimbledon, that Venus was the most likely person to win it, doesn't exactly make her negative toward the Williams sisters. If I recall, she was the only member of the tennis media who predicted Venus's win.

I like her a lot. She makes me laugh.

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:30 AM
And she analyzes NO match. She is quiet for minutes on end only to break the silence by repeating a story having nothing to do with women's tennis much less the match being played. She offers nothing but: "she is hitting a nice ball" or "she's lucky it's grass".lol. Women's tennis will actually gain if she does not commentate. There is nothing that she has done in recent memory to promote or benefit tennis. NOTHING!

Of course... is there much to analyze when the game is completely filled with one unforced error after another. When we have to watch a current top ten for a few years now double fault to the point that... the number of double faults becomes the story, more so than the match?

Now, OTH... I was stunned that when Justine was down 2-0, 30-0 in the second set of the French Open... NONE of the commentators said a word about how she went to a heavy topspin shot that sat up and caused Svetva to create several errors in a row and go Justine back in the set. How could they not have noticed she went from slices to heavy topspin... it was a dramatic change in style. So I'll give you that...

But... Mary is mostly "color" commentary... she is not analysis... the analysis is the play-by-play person in most of the broadcasts. "Color" is to add additional information that often isn't related to the play at the moment... but perhaps what is causing the play at the moment.

Infiniti2001
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:31 AM
There's a reason Venus hasn't talked to her in years, do you think Venus is wrong about her?? It's not fair to say that Venus is only making her shots because she's playing on grass.

Exactly!! This individual needs to find other tapes of her commentating :rolleyes:

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:32 AM
There's a reason Venus hasn't talked to her in years, do you think Venus is wrong about her?? It's not fair to say that Venus is only making her shots because she's playing on grass.

I don't know what she said or did to Venus, so I can't comment on why Venus is mad at her. And she never said that Venus' shots are only good when they're on grass....almost EVERY commentater has said that Venus' game is better on grass because the surface is so quick and she reacts so well to pace, and I agree...that's why she's so good on grass. I would hardly call that "belittling".

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:33 AM
Exactly!! This individual needs to find other tapes of her commentating :rolleyes:

If you were reading correctly, I was commenting on the poster who was talking about her commentater on the Wimby 05 match...I don't care about other matches, that's not what my post was about.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Just face it. Mary Carillo is an opportunistic, no good bitch that sold-out women's sports so she could sit with a group of aging men with old penis' and congratulate each other what a great job they do belittling women's sports.

Rexman
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:35 AM
I don't see the point in pointing out her lack of singles results as a means to say she's a poor commentator. To me that's just a low blow and completely irrelevant. You can know the game and talk about it articulately without having ever played any pro tennis.

She's not afraid to say what she thinks, some see it as bashing, some see it as honesty. I like having Carillo around, especially when the other commentators are fawning over a player.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:35 AM
Now could you do me a favor and remind me how she described Linds' play? Please.

I wasn't really paying attention to what she was saying about Davy. :wavey:

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:35 AM
Of course... is there much to analyze when the game is completely filled with one unforced error after another. When we have to watch a current top ten for a few years now double fault to the point that... the number of double faults becomes the story, more so than the match?

Now, OTH... I was stunned that when Justine was down 2-0, 30-0 in the second set of the French Open... NONE of the commentators said a word about how she went to a heavy topspin shot that sat up and caused Svetva to create several errors in a row and go Justine back in the set. How could they not have noticed she went from slices to heavy topspin... it was a dramatic change in style. So I'll give you that...

But... Mary is mostly "color" commentary... she is not analysis... the analysis is the play-by-play person in most of the broadcasts. "Color" is to add additional information that often isn't related to the play at the moment... but perhaps what is causing the play at the moment.

I'll say this much, commentary is important to a match. It's nice to have a good commentator, that brings viewers, I think. Her color is not that colorful, it's old and repetitive.

Too many times I've seen Mary completely ignore great plays. I'm not talking about ues, I'm talking about great points. She's just a dud, really. And she's not even trying to be creative anymore if color was supposed to be her thing. She's more just plain gossipy more than anything else.


Partbrit
As someone mentioned before, acknowledging a fact doesn't make one less hateful. it means she has some sense, but doesn't signify she's not hateful. How many people think JHH is good and still hate on her?

MH0861
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:36 AM
I don't see the point in pointing out her lack of singles results as a means to say she's a poor commentator. To me that's just a low blow and completely irrelevant. You can know that game and talk about it articulately without having ever playing any pro tennis.

Spot on.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:37 AM
I wasn't really paying attention to what she was saying about Davy. :wavey:

If I could remember the exact words I'd tell you. But pay attention to it. Actually it wasn't that hard to pick up, but Mary turned me off that day. She was so blatant about it too. I am not that sensitive about picking up on insults etc, but I caught that one loud and clear, especially since it was a running theme throughout the match.

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:39 AM
[QUOTE=vejh] She's more just plain gossipy more than anything else.
QUOTE]

Gossip is colorful!

perseus2006
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Marjen said, "She sold out women's tennis to further her career."

I can fully AGREE with that. She is NOT "honest", "fair" or "plain spoken". She is a rabid YELLOW journalist always looking for a SENSATIONAL angle she can blow up into a major folderol, true or not, actual or not, proper intrepretation or not, fair to the player or not. She doesn't CARE, she has no ethics, no honor, no integrity She will eat her children for a sensational moment. She DISGUSTS me.

I feel so much better for being able to express that opinion once again. Thanks for starting the thread.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Gossip isn't colorful. It's hurtful, especially to the players. She is a tennis commentator, not the resident gossip. Leave that to Chris Fowler. And her gossping certainly is not fun when she is doing it in the middle of an important point which is way to often. I tell ya, she doesn't care for the sport. Men's tennis don't have to deal with this. Why does the WTA? Are the girls no better than to be gossiped at?

And Carillo fawns, man she fawns, she fawns and 'disfawns'.lol She fawns over players so much that sometimes you wonder if she's watching a different match.


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Now, OTH... I was stunned that when Justine was down 2-0, 30-0 in the second set of the French Open... NONE of the commentators said a word about how she went to a heavy topspin shot that sat up and caused Svetva to create several errors in a row and go Justine back in the set. How could they not have noticed she went from slices to heavy topspin... it was a dramatic change in style. So I'll give you that...

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See, this I never knew. And wanna bet how many others, perhaps millions watching, never had a clue? They just thought Sveta was just making errors. These are the nuances we ought to know.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:49 AM
I wasn't really paying attention to what she was saying about Davy. :wavey:
All I'm going to say is if I heard it and didn't ignore it given my history of not really being able to tolerate Venus on court, then she really was commentating somewhere way out in left field. :lol:

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:52 AM
[QUOTE=vejh]I tell ya, she doesn't care for the sport. Men's tennis don't have to deal with this. Why does the WTA? Are the girls no better than to be gossiped at?QUOTE]

come on... how much did we hear about how hideous that guys shirt was with the holes in the back. How often do we hear about players feuding? About players accusing their opponents uncle of coaching his nephew... or situations that lead to a fist fight in men's tennis? The gossip is there too... Just look at this board... it's a lot of gossip and speculation...

The point is, you are a true "tennis" fan, but the "sports" or even "fashion" fans who watch women's tennis are not tennis fans... they crave comments that are not game related. And to say that a player has gained weight and is out of shape and that's impcating her game is not a wrong comment to make. Is it hurtful, sure it is... but it's a FAIR comment. It's sport!

Knizzle
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:52 AM
All I'm going to say is if I heard it and didn't ignore it given my history of not really being able to tolerate Venus on court, then she really was commentating somewhere way out in left field. :lol:

LOL @ on court.

Justeenium
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:53 AM
I still remember something Mary said at the FO 2003. she said she couldn't imagine Agassi having trouble with Coria in the QF, despite it being on clay and Coria had won hamburg and got to the final of monte carlo--and he then beat agassi. Now, it was just one comment, but for anyone who knows anything about tennis, it was incredibly stupid

cellophane
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:57 AM
Mary is taken waaaaaaaay too seriously here. :shrug:

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:58 AM
Joz, you make it seem so harmless, and you choose the more harmless example. But tell me this, saying a player is fat 1000 during the match of said player that is dominating their opponent, is that simply colorful?

Ace
Carillo: She's fat
splendid backhand down the line
Carillo:Look at that butt
finishes a 30 shot rally with an exquisite drop volley
Carillo: Once long ago, in 1999, I remember when she was not that fat....

The above is an example of Carillo.

And thanks for illustrating my point about how sexist the commentators are in women's tennis. Not to say that men's tennis doesn't have a few 'moments' but 3 yrs from now we will not hear talk about Nadal's uncle. I only recall hearing it once maybe twice because the big story was tennis on the men's side.

Justeenium, thanks for an example of how Carillo will also totally ignore the present to dwell on the past.

RunDown
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:03 AM
LMAO!
Bitch, you do get personal. I'll never forget how Serena got ripped to shreds from stem to stern at the Australian Open last year. I mean from Round ONE to the damn final. :lol:


I actually liked Mary as a commentator because she often says off the wall things that make me chuckle, but while watching the Serena/Maria Semi at last years AO (the only match I watched that tournament), I literally couldn't believe how much she was ripping into Serena the ENTIRE match. Then she really showed her true colors when she said that Maria was still the better player, after Serena won. I was shocked. You'd think that Serena had spit in her face prior to that match.

barmaid
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:05 AM
I like Mary, of all the commentators out there..she's my favorite..yes she can be brutally honest, very caustic in her remarks but she is "heads" over her competition..thats why she does men's commentary also...McEnroe and Fowler are clueless. Years ago when she commented on Martina Hingis' play especially that "lame duck" serve of hers...it was constructive criticism but well taken...now that Martina is back Mary is on the Marti bandwagon of superlatives, adjectives and glowing remarks about her game and talent. She has made a couple of video's of Martina's early successes and recent ones and they are really terrific...because she knows...Martina returned for the "love" of the game and wanted to prove tha she had something left to contribute to the sport she loves. She has applauded Martina publically for this commitment because realizing she was a "star" knew that the sport would welcome her with open arms and they have. Thanks Mary for all the nice comments and praising the return of Hingis.:kiss: :hearts: :worship:

barmaid:wavey:

joz
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:09 AM
[QUOTE=vejh]

Ace
Carillo: She's fat
splendid backhand down the line
Carillo:Look at that butt
finishes a 30 shot rally with an exquisite drop volley
Carillo: Once long ago, in 1999, I remember when she was not that fat....
QUOTE]

Oh my gosh... you've got me LOL, Vejh! We can agree to disagree... Beleive me she says many things I don't like or agree with... but it doesn't mean I think she as a color commentary shouldn't make such comments. It just means I don't agree with them and I think she's going too far. Mary could say so-and-so lost because her back hand went south, she just hasn't trained it enough to help her out in tense moments... I'd look at the same thing and say, she lost becuase she didn't believe she could win the match and that caused her bread and butter shots to go away... it was all mental. Who would be right and who would be wrong?

Hots4Safin
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Saying, before last year's Wimbledon, that Venus was the most likely person to win it, doesn't exactly make her negative toward the Williams sisters. If I recall, she was the only member of the tennis media who predicted Venus's win.

I like her a lot. She makes me laugh.




She only said that AFTER Venus beat Pierce in the quarters. And even that was a few rounds too late. After the third round they were bashing her "rugged" forehand.

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:15 AM
That's okay not to like her, we ALL have commentators we don't like. And it's okay for players not to like her, but players need to realize they are in a position to take the negative with the good. And when they pout at a French Open Awards ceremoney and need to have their mother drag them out on the court, or when they skip training for their boyfirend's NHL parities, or skip practice for hollywood permiers...they need to grow up and realize that was the choice they made... and they need to accept it could impact their game and their standing with fans and commentators. The one thing I like about Mary is that she really does want the players to achieve at the level they are capable of achieving at... I think she gets ticked when they fall short of that because of not being focused, poor training or a lack of commitment... and that's when she goes overboard... but in her mind... for cause! If what you say is correct, perhaps she should look back at her own career. Not only does she not shut up, she's also blatantly bias against certain players.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:17 AM
Mary could say so-and-so lost because her back hand went south, she just hasn't trained it enough to help her out in tense moments... I'd look at the same thing and say, she lost becuase she didn't believe she could win the match and that caused her bread and butter shots to go away... it was all mental. Who would be right and who would be wrong?

But this is my point though, if this was Carillo's way it would be far more tolerable than to her ranting attitude. Sometimes the way she speaks it's as if the player walked in her living room and smacked her mother across the face.

Anywayz, I am tired now. I will retire to bed, maybe we can continue tomorrow (later today)?

:) Ciao

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:19 AM
Interesting how a commentator who supposedly hates the Williams repeatedly says that if Serena came back at full strength she'd be dominating the tour again. If that's hate, I'd like to see her when she's being complimentary.

Mary is critical of all players equally, and she analyzes really well; nor is she afraid to say the unpopular thing, or the thing that everyone is thinking but won't have the balls to say. I actually like her quite a bit. Doesn't mean I agree with her all the time, but I think she does good work.
Mary is now speaking positively of Serena because she see how much the WTA miss her. When Serena was on tour, kicking butt, she very seldom if ever had anything positive to say about her or anyone in her family.

cellophane
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:21 AM
I guess Mary should just shut up and be a polite fake. :confused:

Reuchlin
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:24 AM
Hates a really strong word.

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:25 AM
And she analyzes NO match. She is quiet for minutes on end only to break the silence by repeating a story having nothing to do with women's tennis much less the match being played. She offers nothing but: "she is hitting a nice ball" or "she's lucky it's grass".lol. Women's tennis will actually gain if she does not commentate. There is nothing that she has done in recent memory to promote or benefit tennis. NOTHING!
:worship::worship::worship:
Those stories are down right ridiculous. She acts like something is wrong if she's not hearing her own voice. Mary, shut up for a damn minute. Most of us get tired of hearing the same old nonsence over and over and over and ...... again.

*roddicksinme*
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:29 AM
cant blame Mary....she just keeps it real :D

MrSerenaWilliams
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:30 AM
She's been very negative towards the Williams Sisters for pretty much the last eight years. She was pretty bias in her commentations during the Wimbledon final last year as well. She was literally rooting on Lindsay.
I'm feel no sympathy towards Mary and I hope she knows that saying that Venus deserves the number one seed at this slam will not put her in Venus' good graces.

If you watched the US Open 2002, Mary Carillo was to Venus and Serena like Patty Mac is to Roddick. She was ALL OVER them. Even this year @ the OZ when Serena was FLAGRANTLY out of conditioning and match play, Mary said Serena was the most gifted person tennis had EVER seen. I think they don't talk to her, because they don't need to. What's the purpose? Although, she does make some pretty assenine comments, but I'm not sure they're AVOIDING her, they just have no need to talk to her.

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Junlee, thanks for reminding me of what she said. She made Venus out to be some kind of aimless ball basher who is successful on grass because she just hits to her heart's content. Noticed she NEVER said that about Linds. Why? And she repeated this all the time. All the time.

Now could you do me a favor and remind me how she described Linds' play? Please.


And it does annoy me so much when at a crucial stage in the match or on a very great point, she just goes on oblivious to what;s happening as if that can wait her story is sooo much better.

And to that person who ask if we care so much what she thinks, the answer is NO! We want her to just call the match or shut up.lol That's why we put her on mute. Seems like more than a few of us keep her on mute. :lol: No matter how hard I try, I have to mute her b4 the game is over.

faboozadoo15
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:33 AM
LOL. I like how Mary speaks her mind. She's also a riot. Refreshing. It seems I'm one of the minorities on here who enjoy her commentary. :shrug:
i used to enjoy her commentary more than i do now.

i agree with some that she has sold out women's tennis to further her career. she talks trash about women's tennis to be like one of the guys. she didn't used to do that.

she also has an eye for a witch hunt-- justine at AUS and RG and Maria in Miami. In sharapova's case, she blatantly gave wrong information during the tati match to stir up controversy.

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:40 AM
Marjen said, "She sold out women's tennis to further her career."

I can fully AGREE with that. She is NOT "honest", "fair" or "plain spoken". She is a rabid YELLOW journalist always looking for a SENSATIONAL angle she can blow up into a major folderol, true or not, actual or not, proper intrepretation or not, fair to the player or not. She doesn't CARE, she has no ethics, no honor, no integrity She will eat her children for a sensational moment. She DISGUSTS me.

I feel so much better for being able to express that opinion once again. Thanks for starting the thread.
She's always talking about this player doesn't like this player etc. etc. First of all, how does she know that and 2nd of all, I've known them to deny it.
3rd, many times there's a great rally going on and she's running her trap. You can't even hear what she's trying to say. IMO, it's just plain annoying.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Mary is taken waaaaaaaay too seriously here. :shrug:

You're not joking!

Jesus, if I didn't know any better, some of you people lose sleep over Carillo's comments. :lol:

RunDown
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:46 AM
If you watched the US Open 2002, Mary Carillo was to Venus and Serena like Patty Mac is to Roddick. She was ALL OVER them. Even this year @ the OZ when Serena was FLAGRANTLY out of conditioning and match play, Mary said Serena was the most gifted person tennis had EVER seen. I think they don't talk to her, because they don't need to. What's the purpose? Although, she does make some pretty assenine comments, but I'm not sure they're AVOIDING her, they just have no need to talk to her.


I think word got back to Mary Carillo about how her 2005 AO commentary about Serena came off to even casual viewers. Thus, my feeling is that she went out of her way to be positive regarding Serena during the 2006 AO.

I don't hate Mary Carillo and I'm certainly not overly sensitive about commentary on my faves (for example, I don't recall Mary being negative towards Venus during Wimby last year), but after the AO 05 commentary, I certainly wouldn't blame Serena if she never glanced in Mary's direction again.

Dunlop1
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:49 AM
I don't see the point in pointing out her lack of singles results as a means to say she's a poor commentator. To me that's just a low blow and completely irrelevant. You can know the game and talk about it articulately without having ever played any pro tennis.


Sorry but no. The pros play on a completely DIFFERENT level. The amount of drive and talent it takes to get to the top 50 is amazing.
You can't adequately give commentary of a match of people at the pro level if you haven't experienced it on some level.
For people who haven't played the sport on a professional level or played on a top level, their commentary will always be cursory. (or they'll have to say acerbic things to cover that fact: [cough]Carillo[cough])
Best example of this is Dick Enberg who never played pro tennis. Very general. almost blaise commentary. Stating the freaking obvious that everyone knows.

When John MacEnroe commentates a Federer match and says that he might be the greatest of all time to play the sport, those words carry immense weight because MacEnroe was NO SLOUCH when he played and he played some of the very best players ever to play tennis so the frame of reference is very clear with him. It's called Credibility.
WHen Carillo says that it carries no water with me. How would she know? What has she done?

Good example of this is during the RG men's final.
Nadal is really eating up Federer's backhand and running every freaking shot down.
Mary C then begins to harp that Nadal can win the upcoming Wimbledon because they've slowed down the grass. Johnny Mac is like 'now hold on, it will be easier for Federer to win FO than it would be for Nadal to win Wimbledon'
WHich of the 2 would I believe? Umm MacEnroe of course.

I mean if you like boring droll then that's fine. But I don't like her commentary. I think Tracy Austin is much better.

Dunlop1
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:51 AM
3rd, many times there's a great rally going on and she's running her trap. You can't even hear what she's trying to say. IMO, it's just plain annoying.

Thank you! SHUT IT MARY C.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:54 AM
Sorry but no. The pros play on a completely DIFFERENT level. The amount of drive and talent it takes to get to the top 50 is amazing.
You can't adequately give commentary of a match of people at the pro level if you haven't experienced it on some level.
For people who haven't played the sport on a professional level or played on a top level, their commentary will always be cursory. (or they'll have to say acerbic things to cover that fact: [cough]Carillo[cough])
Best example of this is Dick Enberg who never played pro tennis. Very general. almost blaise commentary. Stating the freaking obvious that everyone knows.

When John MacEnroe commentates a Federer match and says that he might be the greatest of all time to play the sport, those words carry immense weight because MacEnroe was NO SLOUCH when he played and he played some of the very best players ever to play tennis so the frame of reference is very clear with him. It's called Credibility.
WHen Carillo says that it carries no water with me. How would she know? What has she done?

Good example of this is during the RG men's final.
Nadal is really eating up Federer's backhand and running every freaking shot down.
Mary C then begins to harp that Nadal can win the upcoming Wimbledon because they've slowed down the grass. Johnny Mac is like 'now hold on, it will be easier for Federer to win FO than it would be for Nadal to win Wimbledon'
WHich of the 2 would I believe? Umm MacEnroe of course.

I mean if you like boring droll then that's fine. But I don't like her commentary. I think Tracy Austin is much better.

So with your logic, that means that one of the best NBA commentaters ever, Marv Albert, shouldn't be commentating because he's never played the game???

Or does your brilliant logic only concern tennis?

dreamgoddess099
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:58 AM
Mary Carillo is the biggest bandwagon jumper. She may like a player for a small time, then when they do something she doesn't like she has an agenda against them. She hold's grudges against players who don't like to talk to her, and she tries to make them look bad with her commentary during their matches. For every positive thing she says about a player, you can believe she's said 2 more negative. She's been doing it for years, and anyone who hasn't picked up on it cleary hasn't been paying attention enough. Sure she gives her share of compliments, but it's usually after the player she's dogged the whole match wins. The reason so many pros dislike her is because she gives her opinions about them as people, not them as players and what they are doing in the match. She's stated that she doesn't get along with certain players, so how can anybody expect her to be objective and unbiased during those player's matches when she is makin personal attacks? At times she is funny, I'll give her that, but most of the time she makes jokes at the player's expense.

dreamgoddess099
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:11 AM
So with your logic, that means that one of the best NBA commentaters ever, Marv Albert, shouldn't be commentating because he's never played the game???

Or does your brilliant logic only concern tennis?By your logic, experience in anything is unnecessary and is of no benefit. So anybody can do anything without training, education, or skill?

Drake1980
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:21 AM
That was very interesting. Persoanlly I really like Mary and respect her commentating very much!!

dinhd82
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:28 AM
I love Mary! Good for her.

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:30 AM
By your logic, experience in anything is unnecessary and is of no benefit. So anybody can do anything without training, education, or skill?

You put an unbelievable amount of words into my mouth that never came out in the first place...I talked about a person that IS trained, educated, and skilled in his job of commentating. I simply disproved dunlaps logic that you have to had played the pro sport that you are commentating on to be any good at it. That is all. :wavey:

dreamgoddess099
Jun 24th, 2006, 06:09 AM
You put an unbelievable amount of words into my mouth that never came out in the first place...I talked about a person that IS trained, educated, and skilled in his job of commentating. I simply disproved dunlaps logic that you have to had played the pro sport that you are commentating on to be any good at it. That is all. :wavey:
Credibility is the most common factor of believability. A non doctor who's never performed surgery may be every bit as knowledegable about how to perform surgery as the actual doctor who's done it with success many times, but if your loved ones life was on the line, who would you choose to do their surgery?

Dunlop1
Jun 24th, 2006, 06:33 AM
So with your logic, that means that one of the best NBA commentaters ever, Marv Albert, shouldn't be commentating because he's never played the game???

Or does your brilliant logic only concern tennis?

Bad sarcasm is just sad...

Anyways, I would like you to pls quote where I said people should only commentate if they've played the game...

I'll save you time, I never said that. Why don't you read the post I was replying to and then reread my post understand the context of my post before you spout your tired sarcasm.
Buh-bye :wavey:

Zauber
Jun 24th, 2006, 06:54 AM
baloney
whose agent are you?

thrust
Jun 24th, 2006, 10:28 AM
My main complaint with her, and the announcers of the FO finals, is that were not commenting on many of the points that were being played at that time. Instead, they were either expressing their opinons or talking about things that had nothing to do with the match being played. Several times I shouted at the TV telling them to shut up!

Billy Moonshine
Jun 24th, 2006, 11:18 AM
Mary is hyterical!
I doubt they are not talking to her! I doubt she even registers on their raydar! She is just a commentator who speaks a lot of rubbish in TV. Who is she to them? A big fat nobody that's who.

vejh
Jun 24th, 2006, 11:34 AM
My main complaint with her, and the announcers of the FO finals, is that were not commenting on many of the points that were being played at that time. Instead, they were either expressing their opinons or talking about things that had nothing to do with the match being played. Several times I shouted at the TV telling them to shut up!

And I find it so disrespectful. It has become such a big problem nowadays. Maybe one of us should try getting into tennis commentary.

Jakeev
Jun 24th, 2006, 11:37 AM
I don't feel for Mary and all and besides she doesn't either so why should the rest of us.

She is doing a job, but when it resorts to personal attacks it does have to make you wonder if someone like Mary is pushing the envelope of professionalism.

If Venus hits 50 unforced forehand winners does that have any reason why a commentator should say she has a bad attitude? If you can prove constant forehand errors are the reasons for bad attitudes then hell ya better be able to prove it.

But Mary has been doing it for years so why should we actually be surprised.

And for the matter she is wrong about one thing. Since when did being a commentator mean she gets to pick and choose who are good and bad boys and girls?

The last I checked her job was to commentate on the job at hand and that was two people playing tennis.

Still though, she isn't that bad considering you have idiots like Peter Bodo who actually is allowed to do this week end and out.

Viktymise
Jun 24th, 2006, 11:53 AM
Just face it. Mary Carillo is an opportunistic, no good bitch that sold-out women's sports so she could sit with a group of aging men with old penis' and congratulate each other what a great job they do belittling women's sports.
Ha lol :lol:

Bounty Hunter
Jun 24th, 2006, 12:12 PM
I like Mary.... she makes me laugh , but can annoy me 10 mins later...I guess it's a love hate relationship with her.... :lol:

The only thing that pisses me off with THE WHOLE CREW OF ESPN2 is... when Serena and Venus was winning everything, Mary and crew would tell us how to "beat the Williams'". I haven't heard them tell us how to beat so and so..I'm still waiting.... or how to beat Roger...

But in fairness, Mary gives Vee and Serena their props at times... They all admitted that Serena is the best player of her time and she can win any tournament she enters. They feel that Serena with all her talent should play more accomplish more...so..who knows....

starr
Jun 24th, 2006, 12:14 PM
2. She talks too DAMN MUCH. Shut it for a second Mary.
At first she was spouting and denouncing the instant replay at Indian Wells and Miami like she was God. You could tell Cliff Drysdale wanted to sock it to her. She just wouldn't stop.
Then she tells you a players life history while crucial points are being played. I don't want to hear for the 5th time that such and such player migrated from war torn Serbia and didn't see their family for 10 years, while said player is down 3 break points!!
Anyhow I frequently mute the button when I'm watching matches on ESPN2.
Thank God for the Tennis Channel.

I agree with this part. She talks over the points being played. Sometimes these long winded stories take two to three points to relate even on clay. Meanwhile there is a match being played and some fabulous shots and no one says a word about it because Mary is telling her (boring) story. This drove me crazy when I was watching the Fed-Nadal match at RG.

I'm not sure if the producer cues her to tell the story and they just let her roll because they think that's what the viewers want or exactly what it is. I don't mind the stories if there isn't something happening on the court... but you'd think she'd interrupt herself at least and say... woweeeeeeeee... Nadal got to that dropshot and and managed to hit a winner off it... or something. But it's like the tennis isn't even happening. :(

polishprodigy
Jun 24th, 2006, 12:16 PM
Could someone list the types of comments she has made about each player?

Porcupine
Jun 24th, 2006, 12:57 PM
And I say I'm so lucky that I don't have to hear her comment on my channel. One time is enough for me!!!Don't wanna remember it :mad:

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:07 PM
[QUOTE]I don't see the point in pointing out her lack of singles results as a means to say she's a poor commentator. The reason I think her lack of singles is important is because of the way she seems to get so mad when people aren't doing what she thinks they should be doing. If it was so easy, she should have done it on a regular basis during her career.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:10 PM
[QUOTE=Rexman] The reason I think her lack of singles is important is because of the way she seems to get so mad when people aren't doing what she thinks they should be doing. If it was so easy, she should have done it on a regular basis during her career.

:worship: :worship:

raquel
Jun 24th, 2006, 02:55 PM
And Maria Sharapova also isn't pleased with Carillo because of things said at the Nasdaq-100.

What did Mary say about Maria? I found that a bit surprising because, although I haven't heard Mary commentate a lot, when I heard her during last years Australian Open semi final against Serena she was Maria's biggest cheerleader.

TonyP
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:01 PM
I think most of the attacks on Carillo are way over blown. She gets paid to critique tennis players performance and I suspect encouraged to say controversial things.

The one point I would note, however, is when she complains that players should not be down on her for making a single statement. Instead, players should look at Mary's body of work as a whole before attacking her.

Ok, but shouldn't journalists give players the same opportunities? Should they take a single statement by a player and repeat it time after time after time, year after year?

Rexman
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Credibility is the most common factor of believability. A non doctor who's never performed surgery may be every bit as knowledegable about how to perform surgery as the actual doctor who's done it with success many times, but if your loved ones life was on the line, who would you choose to do their surgery?

Maybe that's where we are different. I don't place talking about tennis equally with having someone I love operated on.

So by your logic, no one hear is allowed to say anything about any player. None of us have played pro tennis afterall.

Leo_DFP
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:11 PM
:worship: Mary Carillo is the best American commentator by far. Sure, she has her faults; they all do. But she is the most honest, intelligent, and quotable! I agree with almost everything she says on big issues in the sport, including Shot Spot, coaching, injury timeouts, Justine Henin-Hardenne's lame-ass move at the AO, etc. :) Who cares that she "didn't do jack" in the sport. She's an infinitely better commentators than those with better achievements in tennis, including John McEnroe, Cliff Drysdale, Mal Washington, Luke Jensen, and Pam Shriver.

The Crow
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I have never heard her commentating (I only know the name of the woman from this board lol ;)) but when the majority of (key) players do not want to talk to you anymore, there's something wrong.

PLP
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Mad props to Diesel for bad-repping me simply for voicing an opinion. I'd thought the stupidity quotient on this board had lowered recently, but it's always entertaining to be proved wrong. :kiss:
:lol: ...Yeah, i think i have been badrepped for saying positive things about Mary before, the hate for her runs very deep here. Her stories get repetitve,yes,and sometimes she can be mean but still, I enjoy her for the most part even when she is critical of my favs...sometimes though when the stories get overbearing i just press the mute button :shrug:

ToeTag
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:33 PM
My main complaint with her, and the announcers of the FO finals, is that were not commenting on many of the points that were being played at that time. Instead, they were either expressing their opinons or talking about things that had nothing to do with the match being played. Several times I shouted at the TV telling them to shut up!
Yeah its amazing how little analysis there is during matches; by any of the commentators. :mad:

Volcana
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Carillo has done some great reporting away from tennis. And sometimes he commentary is insightful. However, Her commemntary at Wimbledon last year was very indicative of her when Venus is playing. It is as if, given a choice, every comment about Venus' play is negative, and every comment about her opponent's play, positive. I don't think it's even conscious.

Leo_DFP
Jun 24th, 2006, 03:37 PM
I have never heard her commentating (I only know the name of the woman from this board lol ;)) but when the majority of (key) players do not want to talk to you anymore, there's something wrong.

But notice that it's just the pampered divas on tour who aren't speaking with Carillo.

raquel
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:06 PM
if the players won't talk to her it seems pretty immature to me, especially Agassi, I never remember her saying bad things about him at all.The Agassi thing goes way back. Like 15 years back. Agassi pulled out of a Davis Cup match and did an interview on TV. Mary Carillo said after it that he was making excuses. Then when she had to interview him herself on court, he started getting upset and said he was accusing her of things that weren't true.

harloo
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:10 PM
"I just wish players looked over the body of work, rather than one or two comments," Carillo said. "My job is to take the information I have and back it up with opinions. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Criticism from players and coaches is just part of the business."

Someone needs to tell this ho to sit down. The reason these players don't like her is because she makes everything personal. Pete Sampras even had a problem with her commentary after she ragged on him constantly during his slump.

Memo to Mary:

1). Your job is to commentate a match without injecting your own personal biased opinion into the equation.

2). You can't be one of the boys. YOU ARE A WOMAN.

3) Disrespecting the women's game to earn some brownie points with the boys is lame.

4). You aren't always funny and witty Mary. Sometimes you sound like a derranged comedian, other times you sound like a bitter old bitty.

5). Stop comparing todays generation to your generation. The game has evolved and so should you. For starters it would be nice to see you get rid of that butch cut, trash the blazers, and put on a little make-up.

;)

serenafan08
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:10 PM
I think that sometimes Mary is way too hard and negative on the players, especially the Williamses and Agassi. She plays favorites when those three play, and she usually favors their opponents. At other times, I enjoy her work. She can be funny and actually say a few smart things. But for the most part, I can't blame those players for ignoring her.

vogus
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:11 PM
:worship: Mary Carillo is the best American commentator by far. Sure, she has her faults; they all do. But she is the most honest, intelligent, and quotable! I agree with almost everything she says on big issues in the sport, including Shot Spot, coaching, injury timeouts, Justine Henin-Hardenne's lame-ass move at the AO, etc. :) Who cares that she "didn't do jack" in the sport. She's an infinitely better commentators than those with better achievements in tennis, including John McEnroe, Cliff Drysdale, Mal Washington, Luke Jensen, and Pam Shriver.



Carillo honest? My ass. She's worse than all of those other you listed, except maybe Drysdale.

harloo
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:13 PM
But notice that it's just the pampered divas on tour who aren't speaking with Carillo.

Andre Agassi is a pampered Diva? He is one of the most well liked players on tour. He rarely refuses interviews and has always been nice to the commentators. It takes a lot to piss Andre off, and Mary has accomplished this feat with little problem.:lol:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:16 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who does like Mary. Yes, she's been critical of players like Venus and Serena, Sharapova, etc...but she's also very quick to compliment and praise those players too.

I think she's hardest on V and S because she sees the potential they have. Mary had to work her ass off to crack the top 40 in singles. She sees these two as having the potential to become the greatest players of all tour and dominate the tour for the next several years, so she's flabbergasted that they put tennis on the back-burner at times to focus on different projects. She's a tennis purist, and she wonders why you wouldn't utilize all that talent 24/7 when you have it. That's why she constantly blows her load over Federer. Mary has even said "If they get in shape and focus on their games, they'll be winning slams in no time."

She does NOT consistently attack a player though all the time like Peter Bodo does with Clijsters. She's critical and often times harsh, but she knows what she's talking about and will praise that particular player the second they get it together.

vogus
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:19 PM
She does NOT consistently attack a player though all the time like Peter Bodo does with Clijsters. She's critical and often times harsh, but she knows what she's talking about and will praise that particular player the second they get it together.


in other words, she is a bandwagon-hopper. She kicks players when they're down, kisses their asses when they're up.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 24th, 2006, 04:42 PM
Mary Carillo is the biggest bandwagon jumper. She may like a player for a small time, then when they do something she doesn't like she has an agenda against them. She hold's grudges against players who don't like to talk to her, and she tries to make them look bad with her commentary during their matches. For every positive thing she says about a player, you can believe she's said 2 more negative. She's been doing it for years, and anyone who hasn't picked up on it cleary hasn't been paying attention enough. Sure she gives her share of compliments, but it's usually after the player she's dogged the whole match wins. The reason so many pros dislike her is because she gives her opinions about them as people, not them as players and what they are doing in the match. She's stated that she doesn't get along with certain players, so how can anybody expect her to be objective and unbiased during those player's matches when she is makin personal attacks? At times she is funny, I'll give her that, but most of the time she makes jokes at the player's expense.
:worship:

serenafann
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:17 PM
The spin that Carillo is just outspoken or tells it like it is a joke She is biased and has an agenda when it comes to Venus and Serena,it is complete fiction that she treats everyone the same.She is disdainful and fixated with them all at the same time.Her Australian Open 05 commentary was a new low[and thats saying something].Serena's first match included viewers hearing that Serena was on Mr Blackwell's worst dressed list Which the biased unprofessional Carillo reported with glee in her voice,yea that has alot to do with tennis match commentary,and her rooting against Serena in that Sharapova semi was blatant as she had been touting Maria and getting Pam Shriver to agree, that Venus and Serena were in decline,more pointless negativety and also according to the supposedly fair Carillo,the Murder of their sister and the injuries they faced were not an issue even though Serena cited them as playing a part ofcourse Carillo felt a need to debunk this,because in her words"alot of people have that happen"it was more evidence of her biased garbage,not to mention her closing statement after Serena beat Sharaova,not even playing her best,that She "Thinks that Sharapova still is a better player",Yea a women with one Grand Slam is better than a women with a career Grand Slam,Plus a SerenaSlam[All 4 Slams in a row]just sour grapes from someone who had bad mouthed both Williams from the start of the Tournament to the end,and when has She or any other commentator,ever said anything similarily outlandish and unfair after a match of another player?And the Final included her questioning Serena's physical ailments[Whats going on here?She was okay yesterday]and her mopey silences continued as Serena won the title.And ofcourse their is Carillo"s plaintive Mantra during a match to whoever there apponents is to ["Attack their forehands"Hit down the middle"}that she doesn't say what either Williams should attack of their opponents is in its self very revealing.This woman has questioned their intelligence,tennis skills and had implied on more than one occasion that their head to head matches were fixed,with no proof.I too used to try to give Mary Carillo the benefit of the doubt,that didn't last long as I recognized her unwavering negative agenda where both sisters are concerned.The naysayers and Carillo opologists will say this is a Williams fan that doesn't want their favs criticized,but I have no problem with that just a problem with someone who is biased unprofessional and overated.The best moments of any Venus and Serena match that She is commentating is when they are playing well and winning,and Carillo is silent for long stretches,I am hoping that Venus plays well over these two weeks at Wimbledon and the same for Serena when She returns so that I and those that want it can get those long silences.

Rexman
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Andre Agassi is a pampered Diva? He is one of the most well liked players on tour. He rarely refuses interviews and has always been nice to the commentators. It takes a lot to piss Andre off, and Mary has accomplished this feat with little problem.:lol:

Agassi is well-respected but has ALWAYS been a diva.

You haven't been watching tennis very long have you?

oakkao
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Agassi is well-respected but has ALWAYS been a diva.

You haven't been watching tennis very long have you?
Divo :rolleyes: Get it right :rolleyes:

junlee_vee
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:51 PM
And I find it so disrespectful. It has become such a big problem nowadays. Maybe one of us should try getting into tennis commentary.

Make sure you turn pro before do that, otherwise, your words will have no impact on some people. :haha:

Dunlop1
Jun 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM
So by your logic, no one hear is allowed to say anything about any player. None of us have played pro tennis afterall.

Don't be silly, you know that's not what he meant. By his logic, YOU wouldn't be adequately qualified to commentate tennis matches at the highest levels: Grand Slam events and Tier 1's simply because you know the game.

Or do you not see the difference between that and talking about players on a messageboard? :rolleyes:

Diesel
Jun 24th, 2006, 08:31 PM
But notice that it's just the pampered divas on tour who aren't speaking with Carillo.

Pampered... how so :scratch:

mykarma
Jun 24th, 2006, 11:46 PM
The spin that Carillo is just outspoken or tells it like it is a joke She is biased and has an agenda when it comes to Venus and Serena,it is complete fiction that she treats everyone the same.She is disdainful and fixated with them all at the same time.Her Australian Open 05 commentary was a new low[and thats saying something].Serena's first match included viewers hearing that Serena was on Mr Blackwell's worst dressed list Which the biased unprofessional Carillo reported with glee in her voice,yea that has alot to do with tennis match commentary,and her rooting against Serena in that Sharapova semi was blatant as she had been touting Maria and getting Pam Shriver to agree, that Venus and Serena were in decline,more pointless negativety and also according to the supposedly fair Carillo,the Murder of their sister and the injuries they faced were not an issue even though Serena cited them as playing a part ofcourse Carillo felt a need to debunk this,because in her words"alot of people have that happen"it was more evidence of her biased garbage,not to mention her closing statement after Serena beat Sharaova,not even playing her best,that She "Thinks that Sharapova still is a better player",Yea a women with one Grand Slam is better than a women with a career Grand Slam,Plus a SerenaSlam[All 4 Slams in a row]just sour grapes from someone who had bad mouthed both Williams from the start of the Tournament to the end,and when has She or any other commentator,ever said anything similarily outlandish and unfair after a match of another player?And the Final included her questioning Serena's physical ailments[Whats going on here?She was okay yesterday]and her mopey silences continued as Serena won the title.And ofcourse their is Carillo"s plaintive Mantra during a match to whoever there apponents is to ["Attack their forehands"Hit down the middle"}that she doesn't say what either Williams should attack of their opponents is in its self very revealing.This woman has questioned their intelligence,tennis skills and had implied on more than one occasion that their head to head matches were fixed,with no proof.I too used to try to give Mary Carillo the benefit of the doubt,that didn't last long as I recognized her unwavering negative agenda where both sisters are concerned.The naysayers and Carillo opologists will say this is a Williams fan that doesn't want their favs criticized,but I have no problem with that just a problem with someone who is biased unprofessional and overated.The best moments of any Venus and Serena match that She is commentating is when they are playing well and winning,and Carillo is silent for long stretches,I am hoping that Venus plays well over these two weeks at Wimbledon and the same for Serena when She returns so that I and those that want it can get those long silences.
:worship::worship::worship:

Rocketta
Jun 25th, 2006, 12:48 AM
Mary gets a good one in every now and again but she is generally mean spirited and I suspect when she's shunned she takes it out in the booth. I've never been more livid in my life than that AO '05 commentary. The letter I wrote ESPN was just down right nasty...I had enough of foolishness. Just because you are commentating doesn't mean that gives you the right to say anything especially if you know all your info is coming 3rd and 4th hand. If she spent more energy talking about what was happening on the tennis court as opposed to trying to entertain herself she wouldn't have the time to be so negative. :rolleyes:

Rexman
Jun 25th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Just because you are commentating doesn't mean that gives you the right to say anythings

Well geeze, what is she supposed to do? NOT say anything?

Rocketta
Jun 25th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Well geeze, what is she supposed to do? NOT say anything?

wait is that her only choices? Something negative or nothing at all? :lol: How about doing some positive research to have positive things to say and then concentrating on the match? :shrug:

raquel
Jun 25th, 2006, 01:31 AM
Years ago when she commented on Martina Hingis' play especially that "lame duck" serve of hers...it was constructive criticism but well taken...now that Martina is back Mary is on the Marti bandwagon of superlatives, adjectives and glowing remarks about her game and talent. She has made a couple of video's of Martina's early successes and recent ones and they are really terrific...because she knows...Martina returned for the "love" of the game and wanted to prove tha she had something left to contribute to the sport she loves. She has applauded Martina publically for this commitment because realizing she was a "star" knew that the sport would welcome her with open arms and they have. Thanks Mary for all the nice comments and praising the return of Hingis.:kiss: :hearts: :worship:

barmaid:wavey:
I am glad Hingis has come back and she brings an extra feature to the tour, but I have to say, that "constructive criticism" was not taken on board too much because that serve still has it's "lame duck" moments. Especially the second serves. I wonder if Mary has had the guts to call Hingis out in 2006 among the superlatives?

perseus2006
Jun 25th, 2006, 02:35 AM
Carillo probably can't say anything that isn't tainted with mean-spiritedness. She has just been doing this too long! She can't really comment about what's going on in the current match because she doesn't know! Later, after hearing what the others are saying she would be able to comment ... on the negatives.

She was a poor tennis player and is now a worse commentator. What makes her so nasty, I think, is jealousy. She hates those girls on the court for their talent, for their success and for their looks. What's an ugly, middle aged shrew to do?

Dawn Marie
Jun 25th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Mary Carillo. When she commentates the tennis matches she is more concerned with joking around and trying to be "little mrs sarcasm". It's juvenille and pathetic. She rarely talks about what is going on with the play by play in a professional manner. Real tennis fans want to be educated. We want people who know what the hell they're talking about. There is nothing so insulting to a tennis fan as a POSER. Like Werthim. We're no fools. We want people who know their shit. Not some poser ass wannabe.

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 25th, 2006, 03:26 AM
..and they shouldn't. she gives advice from a woman who never had 1/100 of a career that these people had. for all the shit she talks, i'd do more than not talk to her.

junlee_vee
Jun 25th, 2006, 03:49 AM
When she commentates the tennis matches she is more concerned with joking around and trying to be "little mrs sarcasm". It's juvenille and pathetic.

So I guess you would rather have those old, "back in the day" commentaters that didn't say shit during matches...like it was fuckin' golf or something. :yawn:

Rocketta
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:07 AM
So I guess you would rather have those old, "back in the day" commentaters that didn't say shit during matches...like it was fuckin' golf or something. :yawn:

yeah give me that please. :yeah:

darrinbaker00
Jun 25th, 2006, 04:14 AM
So I guess you would rather have those old, "back in the day" commentaters that didn't say shit during matches...like it was fuckin' golf or something. :yawn:
Actually, that would be great. The "back in the day" commentators you're referring to (Bud Collins and Donald Dell for NBC, Pat Summerall and Tony Trabert for CBS) knew better than to talk during points. The good folks at the BBC still employ that arcane style.

junlee_vee
Jun 25th, 2006, 05:41 AM
Talking during points is one thing (which is annoying), but boring and dull commentating is another. While I don't condone talking during points, I would rather have lively commentating. Just personal preference I guess. :shrug:

SelesFan70
Jun 25th, 2006, 06:26 AM
I like Mary, but I like Tracy Austin more.

I'll never understand why John McEnroe is even commentating on a women's match. HE'S the one that doesn't analyze shit. He just yaks his big mouth. :(

Princess Sarah.
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:07 AM
Im happy we dont have to listen to her over here :cool:
yeah lol!
From what i have read i hate her already!

mykarma
Jun 25th, 2006, 08:22 PM
yeah give me that please. :yeah:
:lol:

mirzalover
Jun 25th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Chris Fowler That Ass Makes Me Want To Smack Somebody When He Tries To Talk Tennis And Whos The Favorite And Whos Pretty Much Done For.

vogus
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:14 PM
Talking during points is one thing (which is annoying), but boring and dull commentating is another. While I don't condone talking during points, I would rather have lively commentating. Just personal preference I guess. :shrug:


hell, why even have the tennis at all? Just cut the video out and listen to Mary Carillo's sermons to your heart's content. And what's this shit about the "The Tennis Channel"? We need "The Mary Carillo Channel"! That's what people want, that's REAL entertainment. Fuck this tennis shit, it would be so boring without Carillo's cheesy one-liners, nobody would watch it, right? The entire tennis world revolves around Carillo and her banal commentary, isn't that so?

Jum_p_Over
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:37 PM
hell, why even have the tennis at all? Just cut the video out and listen to Mary Carillo's sermons to your heart's content. And what's this shit about the "The Tennis Channel"? We need "The Mary Carillo Channel"! That's what people want, that's REAL entertainment. Fuck this tennis shit, it would be so boring without Carillo's cheesy one-liners, nobody would watch it, right? The entire tennis world revolves around Carillo and her banal commentary, isn't that so?

Um, i think you are either mental or just have a dire hate for carillo. Or maybe both. Seriously, commentating is certainly jack shit without the actual game, but it adds a dimension to the game that would be lacked without commentating, especially for the viewers. By your post above, your basically saying why the hell do we need commentating? Why don't we just watch the tennis game? Well why do you think when great moments in sports are shown over and over on a show or channel, that 99% of the time, the original commentary is added when that moment occurs? It makes it more entertaining for the viewers. Sports is entertainment. Its not about analyzing every single technical aspect of the game.

Carillo can be harsh, and i dont always agree with what she says. But she is fresh and entertaining, perhaps not as analytical and some of the other commentators, but a good change-up. Your talking about how biased she is, well notice how every1 bashing her ass off in this thread are jhh/sharapova/williams fans. How is that not bias? I can safely say im not a fan (or atleast i dont go crazy and defend my favorites to the death), and i think thats why i dont see her as the same light as you do. However, you guys being fans of these players, take note of every single negative comment that she says about your favorite player, and then you go crazy, as if that's not her job. Just cause she says it in a different way as some of the commentators, doesn't mean she is a "witch". Give it a rest

Jum_p_Over
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:41 PM
yeah give me that please. :yeah:
It's just too bad that every single channel that shows sports doesn't have your opinion, does it, because i have yet to watch a sports game that doesn't have commentary in it.

Bitter Blue Bong
Jun 25th, 2006, 09:51 PM
I don't buy it.

Equating abrasiveness with greatness is absurd when discussing Mary Carillo.

Mary Carillo used to be a good tennis commentator. She used to give constructive criticism without getting personal. However, she learned that if she bashes women's tennis well enough, some of her male collegues over at ESPN might possibly give her other assignments. And they did.

She sold out women's tennis to further her career.

That type of abrasiveness has never been great for women's tennis or women's sports. Carillo did in fact prove her testosterone-might in sports commentating and placated the sexist sports media.

And she accomplished ALL of this without ever being a great tennis player or making it to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

Now that's something to be proud of! You no good, untrustworthy witch.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Veenut
Jun 25th, 2006, 10:46 PM
I pretty much cuncur with most assessment of Carillo. She has disintegrated into a disgruntled bitch. For those who refused to speak to her have valid reasons.

First of all there is no comparison between Carillo and Miller because Miller doesn't constantly rag on Mickleson or anyone for that matter.He like many was just over reacting because Phil mande such and opportunity slip.

As for Venus and Serena the only reason I can think of why they should forgive her is to save their own souls. Carillo has constantly prejudiced peoples mind concerning them my making unjustified comments.

I started taking note during the '03 Wimbledon semi-final between Venus and Kim, where she implied that Venus' ab injury was fake just as she implied with Serena's during the '05 AO final. On the other there was no questioning of Lindsay's injury during last Wimbledon final. A more objective person would give everyone the benefit of the doubt until you have concrete evidence to substantiate your opinion.

Honestly the US tennis commentating is the worst I've ever heard in sports. For those who think this is good stuff you haven't been exposed to great commentating. For those who don't have to suffer through the agony be very happy.

As an aside some of the greatest commentating I've heard in my life was on the radio during a cricket match listening to the British commentators.

junlee_vee
Jun 25th, 2006, 11:04 PM
hell, why even have the tennis at all? Just cut the video out and listen to Mary Carillo's sermons to your heart's content. And what's this shit about the "The Tennis Channel"? We need "The Mary Carillo Channel"! That's what people want, that's REAL entertainment. Fuck this tennis shit, it would be so boring without Carillo's cheesy one-liners, nobody would watch it, right? The entire tennis world revolves around Carillo and her banal commentary, isn't that so?

Your biased hate for Carillo has blinded you. I was talking about commentating as a WHOLE...not just Carillo, who you seem to be pathetically obsessed over. :lol:

junlee_vee
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:12 AM
Vogus bad repped me because I called him out and disagreed with him....I guess I struck a nerve. :haha:

Jum_p_Over
Jun 26th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Vogus bad repped me because I called him out and disagreed with him....I guess I struck a nerve. :haha:

Me too, but i got 3 good reps as well so i guess it balances out :lol:

Jasmin
Jun 26th, 2006, 04:46 PM
I can't stand Mary but I'm surprised that Maria doesn't speak to her. I thought she was in love with Maria. I wonder what was said.

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:03 PM
I don't buy it.

Equating abrasiveness with greatness is absurd when discussing Mary Carillo.

Mary Carillo used to be a good tennis commentator. She used to give constructive criticism without getting personal. However, she learned that if she bashes women's tennis well enough, some of her male collegues over at ESPN might possibly give her other assignments. And they did.

She sold out women's tennis to further her career.

That type of abrasiveness has never been great for women's tennis or women's sports. Carillo did in fact prove her testosterone-might in sports commentating and placated the sexist sports media.

And she accomplished ALL of this without ever being a great tennis player or making it to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

Now that's something to be proud of! You no good, untrustworthy witch.
:worship: I so agree with you and (OMG :eek: ) Wannabe that her saying Vee should be seeded No. 1 at Wimby will not win her back into Vee's good graces if that's what she's hoping for. Although, I doubt that's why she said it. I think she really meant it.

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Her lack of skill and play on the top levels makes it hard for her to relate to what it is the players are doing and going through. SHe never had a tough match (Pls don't mention her doubles GS win. Talk about being carried!)
Cliff Drysdale for example, even though I think he's a bore, he will comment on the technique and tactics the player is employing. I enjoy when he freeze frames players strokes.
That is commentary that is educative and interesting.
Carillo just says 'her serve is whack!'.
Okaaaay, Carillo, what is whack about the serve? When a John Macenroe is in the booth, you know your commentator has CREDIBILITY in the sport.


Then she tells you a players life history while crucial points are being played. I don't want to hear for the 5th time that such and such player migrated from war torn Serbia and didn't see their family for 10 years, while said player is down 3 break points!!

I so agree with these points. Ughh, Mary :banghead:

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Saying, before last year's Wimbledon, that Venus was the most likely person to win it, doesn't exactly make her negative toward the Williams sisters. If I recall, she was the only member of the tennis media who predicted Venus's win.

I like her a lot. She makes me laugh.
No, it was Pam Shriver who predicted Venus to win.

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:33 PM
I agree with this part. She talks over the points being played. Sometimes these long winded stories take two to three points to relate even on clay. Meanwhile there is a match being played and some fabulous shots and no one says a word about it because Mary is telling her (boring) story. This drove me crazy when I was watching the Fed-Nadal match at RG.

I'm not sure if the producer cues her to tell the story and they just let her roll because they think that's what the viewers want or exactly what it is. I don't mind the stories if there isn't something happening on the court... but you'd think she'd interrupt herself at least and say... woweeeeeeeee... Nadal got to that dropshot and and managed to hit a winner off it... or something. But it's like the tennis isn't even happening. :(
:worship: :worship:

No.1Hingis
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:33 PM
She is painfully honest.. yeah!.. commentors always take a side.. always.. so.. I cant blame her for it.. I saw her into the final of RG.. I could think she was rude about comments.. and I wrote that here.. but.. in true honor.. she was right.. need to take polite lessons.. but.. commentors are expextators as we do.. so.. opinnions.. players have to be profesionals and take whatever she said as that.. one opinnion not more if that doesnt work for them.. thats all..

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:45 PM
So I guess you would rather have those old, "back in the day" commentaters that didn't say shit during matches...like it was fuckin' golf or something. :yawn:
Please :awww:

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:50 PM
I like Mary, but I like Tracy Austin more.

I'll never understand why John McEnroe is even commentating on a women's match. HE'S the one that doesn't analyze shit. He just yaks his big mouth. :(
That's really not true. I really don't like Tracy or John as people, but as commentators in tennis, they are spot on. They are objective when it comes to the tennis being played. They may not like the players personally, but they talk about the tennis and how it is being played and how it should be played if its being played badly. I'd rather hear that than some personal stuff such as what's going on in their personal life or what their history is, unless it's directly related to the tennis match at hand. Mary can't think of anything to say and will regurgitate a story over and over and it's so stale and dull.

MH0861
Jun 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM
That's really not true. I really don't like Tracy or John as people, but as commentators in tennis, they are spot on. They are objective when it comes to the tennis being played. They may not like the players personally, but they talk about the tennis and how it is being played and how it should be played if its being played badly. I'd rather hear that than some personal stuff such as what's going on in their personal life or what their history is, unless it's directly related to the tennis match at hand. Mary can't think of anything to say and will regurgitate a story over and over and it's so stale and dull.

The one thing that drives me nuts: His pronouncing the "H" in Henin.

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Carillo can be harsh, and i dont always agree with what she says. But she is fresh and entertaining, perhaps not as analytical and some of the other commentators, but a good change-up. Your talking about how biased she is, well notice how every1 bashing her ass off in this thread are jhh/sharapova/williams fans. How is that not bias? I can safely say im not a fan (or atleast i dont go crazy and defend my favorites to the death), and i think thats why i dont see her as the same light as you do. However, you guys being fans of these players, take note of every single negative comment that she says about your favorite player, and then you go crazy, as if that's not her job. Just cause she says it in a different way as some of the commentators, doesn't mean she is a "witch". Give it a rest
Carillo is only fresh if you like day old bread. Fans are allowed to be biased, but commentators are not, that's why the fans are in such an uproar. That's why the players don't speak to her, because she's supposed to be objective in her commentary. She shouldn't make comments that illustrate her personal opinion of players, such as making fun of Serena's injury during the AO'05 final. But, that's just one example. I'm no fan of Justine, but she has certainly made some nasty remarks about Justine and RG.

There is no need to take note of every single negative comment that she says about someone's favorite player, because believe me, she'll say it again and again for every match they play and she comments on. It's not her job to be negative about a player personally. It's not her job to comment on the death of a loved one in a players family and make a personal observation about them needing to get over it already.

The person who needs to give it a rest is Mary Carillo.

manu32
Jun 26th, 2006, 06:16 PM
is it important????

Denise4925
Jun 26th, 2006, 06:31 PM
is it important????
No, but it's a thread and there's a discussion going on. If you don't think it's important enough to discuss, don't enter the discussion. :shrug:

miranda_lou
Jun 26th, 2006, 08:09 PM
The Agassi thing goes way back. Like 15 years back. Agassi pulled out of a Davis Cup match and did an interview on TV. Mary Carillo said after it that he was making excuses. Then when she had to interview him herself on court, he started getting upset and said he was accusing her of things that weren't true.

Since then Mary has interviewed Andre at least twice, once on Bryant Gumbel's HBO series. So, I don't think that's the problem.

However, I think Steffi might be the reason Andre's not speaking to Carillo.:tape: I'll tell you why.

Right after Jaden Gil:angel: was born, Mary started gossiping about him during her commentary, as if she had visited Andre and Stef and had seen the baby personally. She told a story about Andre cutting Jaden's hair; she told the world that "Jaden" was a "German name" and she knew this because she was personal friends with Andre and Stef.:rolleyes:

I have a feeling that Steffi doesn't like her children being gossiped about, especially on television.:mad: But, of course, Miss Mary didn't stop there. After Jaz Elle was born, Mary started gossiping about her in intimate detail.

Now, "Jaden" is NOT a German name and if Mary had paid attention she would have known that the German newspapers ran stories that gave phonetic spellings of Jaden's name so Germans would be able to pronounce his name. She would also know that there were already three famous Americans who had also named their sons Jaden (Will Smith, Christian Slater and the model Cheryl Tiegs). But she didn't know and she made a fool of herself with her silly gossip.

I used to like Mary and think her commentary was interesting but, in the last 6 or so years, she has gotten really, really TIRED!!! :( She's just boring. Thank God for the mute button.

I remember reading something she said not too long ago about knowing that she will probably be replaced soon by "a retired player" who is "a more famous" player than she was. Well, Mare, that includes EVERY PLAYER.:lol: :lol:

Personally, I think Mary Jo and Tracy Austin are better commentators, mainly because they don't talk during a point. I think Mary Jo shows her bias occasionally but she doesn't harp on a player in a negative way.

perseus2006
Jun 26th, 2006, 09:25 PM
I noticed that Carillo was missing from the ESPN commentators' army today. Is this a hopeful sign? I actively dislike her derogatory gossip about players.

It was enough to gag a maggot to her Carrillo sucking up to Venus in the Preview Sunday night.

tennistuff
Jun 26th, 2006, 09:32 PM
She's a very poor commentator in my opinion, very negative.

Glad Andre, Williamsx2, and Maria are ignoring the shit out of her- she isn't worth their time.
I agree 100% I turn the sound down when she come on.

meyerpl
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:34 AM
Carillo is only fresh if you like day old bread. Fans are allowed to be biased, but commentators are not, that's why the fans are in such an uproar. That's why the players don't speak to her, because she's supposed to be objective in her commentary. She shouldn't make comments that illustrate her personal opinion of players, such as making fun of Serena's injury during the AO'05 final. But, that's just one example. I'm no fan of Justine, but she has certainly made some nasty remarks about Justine and RG.

There is no need to take note of every single negative comment that she says about someone's favorite player, because believe me, she'll say it again and again for every match they play and she comments on. It's not her job to be negative about a player personally. It's not her job to comment on the death of a loved one in a players family and make a personal observation about them needing to get over it already.

The person who needs to give it a rest is Mary Carillo.
Carillo is a warped, frustrated, dried-up harpy who would do well to submit to Cliff Drysdale's obvious sexual magnetism and ride that pony until she shakes off the cobwebs and lights-up like a pin-ball machine. It would undoubtedly improve her disposition. In the alternative, the least she can do for the sake of the weary viewer, is to chug an extra-large cocktail comprised of bourbon, estrogen, Phenobarbital and Valium; at least that would take the edge off her menopausal fury and get the stick out of her ass for a while. For the love of God, that woman is the embodiment of every loathsome quality ever to infect the human spirit, in fact, she's even invented a few new ones.
That said, I think any expectation of objectivity in sports commentators went out the window long ago and has been replaced by a push for higher ratings, fueled by a cynical belief that controversy and incivility stimulate viewership. I suppose the fact that nearly any thread that invokes the name Mary Carrillo is almost guaranteed to grow to at least four pages, is a pretty good indication that the network got it right when they hired her to spew her vitriol down the gaping throats of the brain-dead drones we've become while basking in the rays of our television sets.

Kunal
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:36 AM
still think that she aint all that she is hyped up to be

Talula
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:45 AM
I don't think I've ever heard Mary commentate here in teh UK - unless she was the female commentator on the Hingis Seles YEC in 2000 - last time it was played in NY? Whoever that was did a good job I thought and had a very interesting voice!

And I have never seen her pic! Does anyone have one?

meyerpl
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:59 PM
still think that she aint all that she is hyped up to be
Unfortunately, somebody must think she is.

junlee_vee
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:13 PM
^^And that somebody is YOU with a post like the one you made. :lol:

rjd1111
Jun 27th, 2006, 05:02 PM
I like Mary.... she makes me laugh , but can annoy me 10 mins later...I guess it's a love hate relationship with her.... :lol:

The only thing that pisses me off with THE WHOLE CREW OF ESPN2 is... when Serena and Venus was winning everything, Mary and crew would tell us how to "beat the Williams'". I haven't heard them tell us how to beat so and so..I'm still waiting.... or how to beat Roger...

But in fairness, Mary gives Vee and Serena their props at times... They all admitted that Serena is the best player of her time and she can win any tournament she enters. They feel that Serena with all her talent should play more accomplish more...so..who knows....


I will never forget that time they conspired to get Cappy to beat
Serena. Pam even went down to the court to coach Jen.

junlee_vee
Jun 27th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Now I'm not one to disagree with anyone when they're right. I'm watching the Nadal match, and she is talking TOO damn much about stupid shit! I've said "damn, shut the hell up" to my tv at least twice now. :lol:

meyerpl
Jun 27th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Now I'm not one to disagree with anyone when they're right. I'm watching the Nadal match, and she is talking TOO damn much about stupid shit! I've said "damn, shut the hell up" to my tv at least twice now. :lol:
It's about time Drysdale bends her bony ass over the desk and gives her a tune-up.

perseus2006
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:05 PM
It was really disappointing to see Carillo show up today on ESPN.

She is a hateful dog. She's been obsessing for about an hour about how Roddick is going to get his match in tonight. Meanwhile, Nads is playing...

vogus
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Carillo is a warped, frustrated, dried-up harpy who would do well to submit to Cliff Drysdale's obvious sexual magnetism and ride that pony until she shakes off the cobwebs and lights-up like a pin-ball machine. It would undoubtedly improve her disposition. In the alternative, the least she can do for the sake of the weary viewer, is to chug an extra-large cocktail comprised of bourbon, estrogen, Phenobarbital and Valium; at least that would take the edge off her menopausal fury and get the stick out of her ass for a while. For the love of God, that woman is the embodiment of every loathsome quality ever to infect the human spirit, in fact, she's even invented a few new ones.
That said, I think any expectation of objectivity in sports commentators went out the window long ago and has been replaced by a push for higher ratings, fueled by a cynical belief that controversy and incivility stimulate viewership. I suppose the fact that nearly any thread that invokes the name Mary Carrillo is almost guaranteed to grow to at least four pages, is a pretty good indication that the network got it right when they hired her to spew her vitriol down the gaping throats of the brain-dead drones we've become while basking in the rays of our television sets.



cynicism and controversy aside, viewers watch tennis in spite of Mary Carillo, not because of her. If they fire her, the ratings will probably go up 25 percent overnight.

I've decided to print this thread out and mail it to Mary, her agent, IMG, Octagon, and the producers at ESPN and NBC. The hag has simply got to go.

meyerpl
Jun 27th, 2006, 07:32 PM
cynicism and controversy aside, viewers watch tennis in spite of Mary Carillo, not because of her. If they fire her, the ratings will probably go up 25 percent overnight.

I've decided to print this thread out and mail it to Mary, her agent, IMG, Octagon, and the producers at ESPN and NBC. The hag has simply got to go.
:haha: :haha: :haha: Do it!

Ripping on Mary Carillo is a favorite pass-time of mine, probably because she gleefully rips on nearly every player who's out there pounding their guts out and accomplishing more than Carillo ever thought about in her career, and she's being paid well to sit in a comfortable studio doing it.

Leo_DFP
Jun 28th, 2006, 06:47 PM
Come on, Mary is HILARIOUS! So witty. Some gems from Wimbledon so far include her comparison of Gael Monfil's movement on grass to Bambi's on ice! :lol: And how about this?: "Roger's [game] is just so fluid. He's so liquid. But he's so solid. Which is why it's such a gas to watch him." :worship:

Where are the hatas now, huh? :devil:

roooobert
Jun 28th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Come on, Mary is HILARIOUS! So witty. Some gems from Wimbledon so far include her comparison of Gael Monfil's movement on grass to Bambi's on ice! :lol: And how about this?: "Roger's [game] is just so fluid. He's so liquid. But he's so solid. Which is why it's such a gas to watch him." :worship:

Where are the hatas now, huh? :devil:


ohhh, mary must have stolen the comparsion with gael from the excellent swedish commentator and former player Maria Strandlund!! ;) haha

she said the same thing in one of the tournaments before wimbledon

Leo_DFP
Jun 28th, 2006, 11:03 PM
Lol, Monfils is quite bambi-like.

vogus
Jun 28th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Come on, Mary is HILARIOUS! So witty. Some gems from Wimbledon so far include her comparison of Gael Monfil's movement on grass to Bambi's on ice! :lol: And how about this?: "Roger's [game] is just so fluid. He's so liquid. But he's so solid. Which is why it's such a gas to watch him." :worship:

Where are the hatas now, huh? :devil:


that is exactly the kind of cheesy, pathetic trash that should get Carillo (or any other commentator) sent down to the minor leagues.

raquel
Jun 28th, 2006, 11:23 PM
that is exactly the kind of cheesy, pathetic trash that should get Carillo (or any other commentator) sent down to the minor leagues.It sounds like it was scripted too. As if she rehearses these quips and waits to slip them into matches.

Leo_DFP
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:29 PM
No, she's a good journalist and can come up with stuff on the spot.

GameSetJJ
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:18 AM
Oh Mary, I do quite like her commentary you know. Anyway, off season blues I'll just leave this here :oh:

cZDn0U0w78k

carling
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:35 AM
I DETEST Mary Carillo! Interesting that many of the top players do as well.

tennisbum79
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:39 AM
Sharapova fans took a liking to her since she has been criticized by WS fans.

I don't if has been mentioned, but she also had falling out with Roddick and Blake.

I also read reports where she criticized Monica Seles for taking too long to come back from her stabbing.
I believe she said that Monica was "milking the incident" to gain maximum sympathy

iGOAT
Dec 4th, 2013, 05:22 AM
Oh Mary, I do quite like her commentary you know. Anyway, off season blues I'll just leave this here :oh:

cZDn0U0w78k
This is just one of those videos that you can watch again and again and each time laugh harder than the previous time :crying2:.

"And it's always Christopher Burr :hysteric:."

bobito
Dec 4th, 2013, 08:30 AM
Oh Mary, I do quite like her commentary you know. Anyway, off season blues I'll just leave this here :oh:

cZDn0U0w78k

:haha: This is brilliant.

Mikey.
Dec 4th, 2013, 09:00 AM
:happy: She's nuts.

Guest12315544
Dec 4th, 2013, 09:07 AM
I DETEST Mary Carillo! Interesting that many of the top players do as well.

Add me to that list :yeah:

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 4th, 2013, 09:38 AM
Umm.....WHAT?! :sobbing:

brickhousesupporter
Dec 4th, 2013, 09:39 AM
You can add ESPN to the list of people who don't like Carillo. She was fired from the network.

Wilson_07
Dec 4th, 2013, 10:53 AM
Oh Mary, I do quite like her commentary you know. Anyway, off season blues I'll just leave this here :oh:

cZDn0U0w78k
Classic :rolls:

MrWaagh
Dec 4th, 2013, 11:31 AM
I love her. She's fierce as hell.

Svizac
Dec 4th, 2013, 11:45 AM
Why are you gravedigging a 7-year old thread? :rolleyes:

Six Feet Under
Dec 4th, 2013, 12:03 PM
I kinda love how crazy she is :lol:

She has some classic quotes like "big babe tennis" and "super slice" :rolls:

nathanj594
Dec 4th, 2013, 01:03 PM
Isn't Pova commentating for the Olympics? Or did I dream that? They gonna be on screen togethaaaa!

GameSetJJ
Dec 4th, 2013, 01:06 PM
Why are you gravedigging a 7-year old thread? :rolleyes:

Lighten up

tennisbum79
Dec 4th, 2013, 01:16 PM
Why are you gravedigging a 7-year old thread? :rolleyes:
The Olympics are coming soon.
This serves as primer before watching the Olympics.

Skanna
Dec 4th, 2013, 03:24 PM
Sometimes she comes across as a spiteful & malicious hag; Carillo & Croft should NEVER be allowed inside, let alone near a commentating booth :o:

Vlover
Dec 4th, 2013, 03:33 PM
Sharapova fans took a liking to her since she has been criticized by WS fans.
She also resides up Pova's ass and not to mention her statement that Pova is a better player than Serena.:rolleyes: That is why it such sweet victory every time Serena kicks Pova's ass especially when Carillo is commentating. At the Miami final, she got so excited when Pova won a set only to go silent when Serena dashed her hopes again.:lol:

Carillo is no advocate for women's tennis. The sport would do much better without having her drone on about how much endorsements Pova gets and the rest of the tour is shit.:tape:

pov
Dec 4th, 2013, 03:42 PM
Carillo is no advocate for women's tennis.

:facepalm: Of course she is.

Though . . . did she really say Sharapova was better than Williams? lol. When? Did they put her on meds for saying that?

iWill
Dec 4th, 2013, 03:44 PM
Isn't Pova commentating for the Olympics? Or did I dream that? They gonna be on screen togethaaaa!

Mary is probably moistening at the thought, Maria too though :oh:

iWill
Dec 4th, 2013, 03:56 PM
:facepalm: Of course she is.

Though . . . did she really say Sharapova was better than Williams? lol. When? Did they put her on meds for saying that?

Right after their 2005 Australian Open semifinal. Carillo stated about Maria, "This kid is better." She lost me ever since, nothing she says is credible anymore :lol:

brickhousesupporter
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:14 PM
:facepalm: Of course she is.

Though . . . did she really say Sharapova was better than Williams? lol. When? Did they put her on meds for saying that?
No she is not......part of her commentating shctick is that she is one of the guys....So she always sells women's tennis down the river when the male commentators start criticizing the women's tour.

JLG
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:51 PM
:facepalm: Of course she is.

Though . . . did she really say Sharapova was better than Williams? lol. When? Did they put her on meds for saying that?

No she isn't. There was a time in the late 90's when I didn't notice all that and didn't mind her cause she had me fooled, be she constantly down- talks the sport and will seriously make you not like it. To here her tell it, there's bullshit and hidden motives behind everything and everyone involved in the sport.

The way she carried on in 03 wimblendon when Venus had the abdominal tear against Serena.....I wanted both to retire from that shitty sport then.

The shit that comes out that womans mouth is amazing, and I don't know why the WTA would ever allow someone who trashes the sport like her to ever be behind the mic.

Her accolades in other things has nothing to do with all that

JLG
Dec 4th, 2013, 04:55 PM
And that was the next slam after that french open mess against henin, and the bitch never comes up for air with the negativity

Marcus1979
Dec 4th, 2013, 10:38 PM
No she isn't. There was a time in the late 90's when I didn't notice all that and didn't mind her cause she had me fooled, be she constantly down- talks the sport and will seriously make you not like it. To here her tell it, there's bullshit and hidden motives behind everything and everyone involved in the sport.

The way she carried on in 03 wimblendon when Venus had the abdominal tear against Serena.....I wanted both to retire from that shitty sport then.

The shit that comes out that womans mouth is amazing, and I don't know why the WTA would ever allow someone who trashes the sport like her to ever be behind the mic.

Her accolades in other things has nothing to do with all that

what did she say about Venus when Venus ruptured her adominal muscle? was she mocking?

JLG
Dec 4th, 2013, 11:22 PM
what did she say about Venus when Venus ruptured her adominal muscle? was she mocking?

I haven't seen that match since and can't remember things word for word but I was thoroughly pissed after that match like I was the Spirlea, Henin and Indian wells matches before it.

She was going on about the fixed matches and Venus didn't hurt herself in that match, it was already torn but she still was trying to take it to Serena, but you could see that match pained Serena to play.....and she's going on about them fixing matches like a month later after all that Henin bullshit.

I don't think she said one positive thing in that fucken match...and i'm telling you all these people with these dumb accusations get it directly from her subliminally lol

Then after that they find a tear in Serenas knee, her sister gets murdered and they have to rehash it in court....she comes back with her knee still fucked up...then they throw all that Sharapova shit in her face while accusing her of having too many outside interests while fixing matches. Any negativity they can find they been using it to distract her every damn slam. I think that last French open was the only one I haven't seen it...cause they thought she was gonna get her assed kicked

I can't describe how much I can't stand that bitch

Olórin
Dec 4th, 2013, 11:28 PM
She's been wrong so many times now, fired from her job, she's just a joke, she has no credibility left. It's clear no players would want to talk to someone who's a complete ass.

I'd be surprised if her own family wanted to speak to her.

ZetaKizzy
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:03 AM
She also resides up Pova's ass and not to mention her statement that Pova is a better player than Serena.:rolleyes: That is why it such sweet victory every time Serena kicks Pova's ass especially when Carillo is commentating. At the Miami final, she got so excited when Pova won a set only to go silent when Serena dashed her hopes again.:lol:

That remark has lived in infamy ever since 2005. In fact, the entire ESPN team was terrible during that semifinal match. Even my mother was shocked at how utterly negative and denigrating they were being to Serena. There's a difference between being critical and just being mean.

I sometimes wonder if that comment got back to Serena and that is why Masha has been on Serena's shit list for 9 years.

When Carillo got fired from ESPN, she said something about the commentators there becoming "cheerleaders." If that wasn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. All she does is cheer for players unabashedly and when whoever she is cheering for starts losing, she goes curiously silent. When Serena came back in the semifinal, it was the quietest she's ever been. She wrote that check for Masha and Serena's been cashing it ever since.


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RyanGuy
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:10 AM
Agassi is really immature, but the other players are right on point

RenaSlam.
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:12 AM
Stupid bitch Mary.

tennisbum79
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:17 AM
She also resides up Pova's ass and not to mention her statement that Pova is a better player than Serena.:rolleyes: That is why it such sweet victory every time Serena kicks Pova's ass especially when Carillo is commentating. At the Miami final, she got so excited when Pova won a set only to go silent when Serena dashed her hopes again.:lol:
It does not do justice to her statement when just reporting in writing.

She said this while on the court, Serena was out playing, smothering and dominating Sharapova.
If you were watching on TV and listening to Mary, you would think she was watching a different match.


Here is one of the most memorable one
"This kid, Sharapova, is really outplaying Serena. She is a better player than Serena. Maria knows what to do on the court."

Mare Serenitatis
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:46 AM
Right after their 2005 Australian Open semifinal. Carillo stated about Maria, "This kid is better." She lost me ever since, nothing she says is credible anymore :lol:

She actually said "this kid's better" during the match. After Serena won Carillo had the nerve to say she still considered Sharapova the better player. :facepalm:

iWill
Dec 5th, 2013, 12:59 AM
She actually said "this kid's better" during the match. After Serena won Carillo had the nerve to say she still considered Sharapova the better player. :facepalm:

Yup you're right! I was trying to find the clip of her saying it, but all the coverage of that match I've found doesn't have Carilllo on it :oh:

MrSerenaWilliams
Dec 5th, 2013, 01:01 AM
Yup you're right! I was trying to find the clip of her saying it, but all the coverage of that match I've found doesn't have Carilllo on it :oh:

Chec the ESPN coverage. I think I have it, bb.

crescentmoon
Dec 5th, 2013, 01:37 AM
Chec the ESPN coverage. I think I have it, bb.

:yeah:

Volcana
Dec 6th, 2013, 01:00 PM
It does not do justice to her statement when just reporting in writing.

She said this while on the court, Serena was out playing, smothering and dominating Sharapova.
If you were watching on TV and listening to Mary, you would think she was watching a different match.Everybody has said something in the past eight years that in retrospect looks stupid.

Sharapova was playing real good-looking tennis in that match, while Serena was scrambling. And Serena finished 2004 with losses Capriati, Davenport, Sharapova, Jidkova and Zvonareva.

AT THE TIME, the statement that Sharapova was better wasn't unreasonble. I didn't agree with it, but it wasn't unreasonable.


Here is one of the most memorable one
"This kid, Sharapova, is really outplaying Serena. She is a better player than Serena. Maria knows what to do on the court."Perhaps more recent comments are in order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuQSslstzfI

I don't think Mary Carillo particularly likes Serena, but her comments about her, over time, have been fair, in the moment.

At the 2013 2012 Women's Sports Foundation awards, Carillo said Serena had 'no real rival', and that when she was fit, no one on tour could hang with her. Do I discount those comments as well?

Vlover
Dec 6th, 2013, 04:40 PM
Everybody has said something in the past eight years that in retrospect looks stupid.

SHarapova was playing real good-looking tennis in that match, while Serena was scrambling. And Serena finished 2004 with losses Capriati, Davenport, Sharapova, Jidkova and Zvonareva.

AT THE TIME, the statement that Sharapova was better wasn't unreasonble. I didn't agree with it, but it wasn't unreasonable.
Everyone who knows anything about tennis understand that 2004 Serena was not at her best because she was just returning from knee surgery and was not at her optimum best. When Pova returned from her shoulder procedure they were constantly referring to it with every loss she had and at no point did Mary claim that those she lost to was better than her.:rolleyes:

It is no surprise that Mary has to adjust her tune now to fit reality. It is not for lack of trying as much as possible to discredit the Sisters but all credible arguments have failed therefore she is left with little choice but to admit the truth.

These days she chooses to go silent when Serena is kicking ass especially when commentating with Johnny Mc and he is complimenting Serena's game in awe.:lol: Evidently some are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt but not me, at least not yet.

Volcana
Dec 6th, 2013, 06:16 PM
These days she chooses to go silent when Serena is kicking ass especially when commentating with Johnny Mc and he is complimenting Serena's game in awe.:lol: Evidently some are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt but not me, at least not yet.
Nelson Mandela said that when circumstances changed, he changed his mind.

Check out what Carillo said about Serena at the end of 2012. It's not affectionate, but it's respectful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuQSslstzfI

Carillo at the end of that video said "just give me two years, and remove all doubt". Well, Serena gave her 78-4, and two slams, for one year. So Serena may not speak to Mary Carillo, but she does give her presents.

RVD
Dec 6th, 2013, 06:45 PM
I DETEST Mary Carillo! Interesting that many of the top players do as well.My goodness!
That's the best word to describe how I feel as well.
She tries sooooo hard and fails so often. Then feigns ignorance or worse---thinking she's always right for making dumb statements.
Seems the players, who boycotted her, over the years have it right.
Even today, she's just as detestable as she was over a decade ago.

RVD
Dec 6th, 2013, 06:53 PM
:facepalm: Of course she is.

Though . . . did she really say Sharapova was better than Williams? lol. When? Did they put her on meds for saying that?As long as I can recall, Carillo has injected ATP commentary in every single WTA coverage.
In fact, we get more ATP analysis and comparisons from her than we do WTA info.

I can't honestly say that she supports womens tennis when she does nothing but denigrate it at every opportunity either.
It's weird because when she does ATP commentary, she has all these WONDERFUL things to say about how talented and great the ATP players are and even offers shockingly accurate stats and analysis.
She one twisted sister. :silly:

tennisbum79
Dec 6th, 2013, 10:45 PM
Everybody has said something in the past eight years that in retrospect looks stupid.
Of course everybody does. BUT...
We are talking about the frequency at it which done.
The level of experience of the person saying the stupid thing. Mary is veteran broadcaster with pride herself of being a professional with integrity and refreshing candor
Also, these "stupid" comments are said when the same 2 players are facing each other.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuQSslstzfI

I don't think Mary Carillo particularly likes Serena, but her comments about her, over time, have been fair, in the moment.

At the 2013 2012 Women's Sports Foundation awards, Carillo said Serena had 'no real rival', and that when she was fit, no one on tour could hang with her. Do I discount those comments as well?
Well, how long can one keep forging ahead against a strong current ?
Wait a minute! How about Miami? I think she did in Miami in the first set.

tennisbum79
Dec 6th, 2013, 11:02 PM
These days she chooses to go silent when Serena is kicking ass especially when commentating with Johnny Mc and he is complimenting Serena's game in awe.:lol: Evidently some are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt but not me, at least not yet.
Actually, the silence thing has been going for awhile, as far bas in the 2000s
When Venus or Serena are playing an opponent who is reasonable holding her own, Mary would start off by enthusiastically showering her with compliment as if she was dominating and our playing Venus or Serena.
Then when the tied turned and it starts looking like Venus or Serena is about to win the match easily, Mary goes in silent mode.
This used to happen often when at a point in their careers, when Venus/Serena used to start matches really slow.

Dawn Marie
Dec 7th, 2013, 03:26 AM
Mary Carillo doesn't know jack crap about tennis. She's just bad at her job period! John McCenroe is great as is MJF. They played the game and commentate without running off the mouth in an ignorant fashion. They dislike her becasue she sucks at her job!