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Infiniti2001
Jun 22nd, 2006, 02:54 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate smothered a proposed election-year increase in the minimum wage Wednesday, rejecting Democratic claims that it was past time to boost the $5.15 hourly pay floor that has been in effect for nearly a decade.

The 52-46 vote was eight short of the 60 needed for approval and came one day after House Republican leaders made clear they do not intend to allow a vote on the issue, fearing it might pass.

Sixty votes were required because the plan was proposed as an amendment to an unrelated defense bill.

The Senate vote marked the ninth time since 1997 that Democrats there have proposed -- and Republicans have blocked -- a stand-alone increase in the minimum wage. The debate fell along predictable lines.

"Americans believe that no one who works hard for a living should have to live in poverty. A job should lift you out of poverty, not keep you in it," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Massachusetts. He said a worker paid $5.15 an hour would earn $10,700 a year, "almost $6,000 below the poverty line for a family of three."

Republicans said a minimum wage increase would wind up hurting the low-wage workers that Democrats said they want to help.

"For every increase you make in the minimum wage, you will cost some of them their jobs," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia.

He described the clash as a "classic debate between two very different philosophies. One philosophy that believes in the marketplace, the competitive system ... and entrepreneurship. And secondly is the argument that says the government knows better and that topdown mandates work."

The measure drew the support of 43 Democrats, eight Republicans and one independent. Four of those eight Republicans are seeking re-election in the fall.

Democrats had conceded in advance that this attempt to raise the minimum wage would fare no better than their previous attempts. At the same time, they have made clear in recent days they hope to gain support in the coming midterm elections by stressing the issue. Organized labor supports the legislation, and Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Connecticut, said that contrary to some impressions, most minimum wage workers are adults, not teenagers, and many of them are women.

"When the Democrats control the Senate, one of the first pieces of legislation we'll see is an increase in the minimum wage," said Kennedy.

His proposal would have increased the minimum wage to $5.85 beginning 60 days after the legislation was enacted; to $6.55 one year later; and to $7.25 a year after that. He said inflation has eroded the value of the current $5.15 minimum wage by 20 percent.

With the help of a few rebellious Republicans, House Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee succeeded in attaching a minimum wage increase last week to legislation providing funding for federal social programs. Fearing that the House would pass the measure with the increase intact, the GOP leadership swiftly decided to sidetrack the entire bill.

"I am opposed to it, and I think a vast majority of our (rank and file) is opposed to it," House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Tuesday.

Pressed by reporters, he said, "There are limits to my willingness to just throw anything out on the floor."

While Democrats depend on organized labor to win elections, Republicans are closely aligned with business interests that oppose any increase in the federal wage floor or would like changes in the current system.

Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyoming, chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, offered an alternative that proposed a minimum wage increase of $1.10 over 18 months, in two steps.

The increase was coupled with a variety of provisions offering regulatory or tax relief to small businesses, including one to exempt enterprises with less than $1 million in annual receipts from the federal wage and hour law entirely. The current exemption level is $500,000, and a Republican document noted the amount had "lagged behind inflation."

Additionally, Republicans proposed a system of optional "flextime" for workers, a step that Enzi said would allow employees, at their discretion, to work more than 40 hours one week in exchange for more time off the next. Unions generally oppose such initiatives, and the Republican plan drew 45 votes, with 53 in opposition.

Nine Senate Republicans voted against both proposals.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/minimum.wage.ap/index.html

FuckingUNconscionable after raising their salary nine times by the equivalent of three times the ENTIRE minimum wage since the last time the minimum wage was raised. And they barely do anything. It's time to tie THEIR raises into the minimum wage. :fiery:

meyerpl
Jun 22nd, 2006, 03:20 PM
If you cut through all the window dressing put up by the republicans, all the flag waiving and misty-eyed talk about faith and family values, it's legislative positions like this that tell you where they really stand. They yammer about family values at the same time they vote to keep working families in poverty. This vote is just one of scores of examples since they took control of the legislative and executive branches of government. Hypocritical bastards.

Infiniti2001
Jun 22nd, 2006, 03:27 PM
Speaking of family values :lol:

GOVERNOR'S RACE (Florida)
Gallagher's family values take hit with revelations
Tom Gallagher's admission that a 1979 extramarital affair led to his divorce forced the candidate for governor to leave the script of his family-focused campaign.
BY MARY ELLEN KLAS
meklas@MiamiHerald.com

TALLAHASSEE - Tom Gallagher, the Republican state chief financial officer running for governor on a platform of family values, admitted Monday that he had an extramarital affair that led to his 1979 divorce and said he used marijuana before he was elected to public office ''many, many'' years ago.

Gallagher, 62, conducted an impromptu news conference with his wife, Laura, after The Tampa Tribune asked him about 26 pages excerpted from his 27-year-old divorce file, expunged from Miami-Dade court files years ago in a routine purging of dated records.

The revelations come as Gallagher courts religious conservatives, who have embraced him, in part, because he is married and has a 7-year-old son. They see him as more of a committed family man than his GOP primary opponent, Attorney General Charlie Crist, who remains single after a divorce in 1980 following seven months of marriage.

The divorce documents, as well as additional court records obtained by The Miami Herald, show that Gallagher's ex-wife, Ann Louise, kicked him out of their Miami home in 1979 when she discovered he had been having a yearlong affair with a Tallahassee legislative aide.

At the time, Gallagher was a state representative from Coconut Grove and owned a Tallahassee condominium, leased by his then-girlfriend, Stephanie W. McBee.

After Ann Louise filed for divorce in 1979, an allegedly intoxicated Gallagher returned to their home and tore a screen off the house, the court documents say. The next day, he returned and took the dog. Ann Louise Gallagher asked a judge for a restraining order.

The apparently sympathetic judge, Milton Rubin, told Tom Gallagher: ``You're a public figure. You don't need any adverse publicity.''

The judge then agreed not to ''embarrass'' him with a restraining order as long as Gallagher agreed to stay away from the home until the divorce was final.

GIRLFRIEND TESTIFIES

In a copy of a September 1979 deposition of McBee obtained by The Miami Herald, the former girlfriend testified that during 1978 and 1979, she traveled with Gallagher to Atlanta, Texas, California, Miami, Orlando, West Virginia, Washington, D.C., Delaware and Nassau in the Bahamas. She stayed at his Miami home for three days when his wife was in Michigan, and he gave her gifts.

McBee testified that in 1979, she spent three days with Gallagher in Nassau, where they ``went to dinner, saw a show, swam, laid on the beach and read.''

McBee said she gave Gallagher gifts as well, including a handmade needlepoint belt that Ann Louise Gallagher later found and burned.

Gallagher's mother, Hope. D. Gallagher, testified that after Ann Louise filed for divorce, her son asked her to go into the couple's home and retrieve a family heirloom, a grandfather clock.

''If she burnt a belt, she might do the same thing to . . . things that are irreplaceable,'' the elder Gallagher testified.

A contrite Tom Gallagher said on Monday he does not regret that the documents have become public, and that he takes full responsibility for his past. ''Divorces are messy, but I take full responsibility for what led to mine,'' he said. ``It was totally my fault.''

A DIFFERENT MAN

But Gallagher emphasized that he is not the same man who first sought the Republican nomination for governor in 1982, when he had a reputation in Tallahassee as a bon vivant and ladies' man.

''I know that many of you have been somewhat skeptical about some of the changes that have taken place in my life -- that it's some kind of a campaign strategy,'' Gallagher said. ``But I'm here to tell you, Christ does change lives, and I'm a different person because of it.''

Gallagher credited his wife, Laura, a telecommunications lawyer and devout Southern Baptist, with turning his life.

Laura Gallagher said she wanted people to know that ``Tom and I discussed all of these issues before we were married, including his divorce and even that he tried marijuana.

''It's difficult to acknowledge past mistakes like this, but it's something we all have to do and I'm proud of Tom for doing that,'' she said.

The candidate said that although he used marijuana, he never used other illegal drugs.

Crist's campaign would not comment on the Gallagher divorce documents, but noted that as a candidate for state commissioner of education in 2000, Crist disclosed he had tried marijuana when he was in school.

''It was a mistake and he regrets it,'' said Crist spokeswoman Vivian Myrtetus.

Gallagher's closest supporters from the religious right sent out missives late Monday affirming their support despite his past.

''The crux of our faith is the cross, is repentance, is redemption,'' said John Stemberger, a leader in the Florida's Christian conservative movement. ``I've been around awhile. I've known people who are what I call phony political conversions, but I've spent a lot of time with Tom and Laura and I think he's genuine.''

Miami Herald staff writer Gary Fineout contributed to this report.

Philbo
Jun 22nd, 2006, 03:29 PM
If you cut through all the window dressing put up by the republicans, all the flag waiving and misty-eyed talk about faith and family values, it's legislative positions like this that tell you where they really stand. They yammer about family values at the same time they vote to keep working families in poverty. This vote is just one of scores of examples since they took control of the legislative and executive branches of government. Hypocritical bastards.

It’s a classic when you consider how morally outraged they get when things like gay marriage, abortion etc are discussed..

But actually help some disadvantaged people out of poverty? Although Jesus would have done it, never will the republicans...

meyerpl
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:08 PM
It’s a classic when you consider how morally outraged they get when things like gay marriage, abortion etc are discussed..

But actually help some disadvantaged people out of poverty? Although Jesus would have done it, never will the republicans...


Excellent! How true.

SelesFan70
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:13 PM
Does anyone on here know anyone that makes minimum wage? :rolleyes: Y'all are outraged and the weirdest things!

dementieva's fan
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:15 PM
OMG!! I almost agree with the republicans on this, :o while raising the minimum wage may help those earning it for a short while but in the long run it will cause more harm than good to especially the poor.

meyerpl
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:20 PM
OMG!! I almost agree with the republicans on this, :o while raising the minimum wage may help those earning it for a short while but in the long run it will cause more harm than good to especially the poor.
Would you care to explain this?

hablo
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:24 PM
OMG!! I almost agree with the republicans on this, :o while raising the minimum wage may help those earning it for a short while but in the long run it will cause more harm than good to especially the poor.
I'm glad we have raised our minimum wage in Canada. I think it used to be in the five dollar range a while ago :rolleyes::tape:


Province General Wage More Information
Alberta $7.00 Alberta Human Resources and Employment
BC $8.00 B.C. Ministry of Labour
Manitoba $7.60 Manitoba Labour
New Brunswick $6.50 Training and Employment Development
Newfoundland $6.50 Labour Relations Agency
NWT $8.25
Nova Scotia $7.15 Environment and Labour
Nunavut $8.50
Ontario $7.75 Ministry of Labour
PEI $7.15 Community and Cultural Affairs
Quebec $7.60 Commission des normes du travail
Saskatchewan $7.55 Saskatchewan Labour
Yukon $7.20
http://canadaonline.about.com/library/bl/blminwage.htm

Paneru
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:39 PM
Does anyone on here know anyone that makes minimum wage? :rolleyes: Y'all are outraged and the weirdest things!

Yes!

My godmother is 46 years old!
She just got recently married but
her husband cannot work! She works her
ass off and is always asking for and getting
extra hours and is still just able to break even
month by month.

Yet, you never hear her complain
about a thing!


You can talk and take party lines if you'd like
but this is a bunch of bs by these republicans!

timafi
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:55 PM
family values and religion my ass :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
religion can only go so far you fucking republican twats :mad: :mad:

harloo
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:55 PM
Does anyone on here know anyone that makes minimum wage? :rolleyes: Y'all are outraged and the weirdest things!

:help: :speakles: Please don't tell me you are this out of touch with reality.

angele87
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:58 PM
Before reading that article, I didn't realize minimum wage in the U.S was so low :eek:

harloo
Jun 22nd, 2006, 04:58 PM
OMG!! I almost agree with the republicans on this, :o while raising the minimum wage may help those earning it for a short while but in the long run it will cause more harm than good to especially the poor.

How will not increasing the minimum wage help the poor in the long run? :tape:

Paneru
Jun 22nd, 2006, 05:08 PM
OMG!! I almost agree with the republicans on this, :o while raising the minimum wage may help those earning it for a short while but in the long run it will cause more harm than good to especially the poor.


Oh do explain!


Keep the rich rich and keep
the poor poor.

All they want here
is to preserve the status quo.

Not to mention keeping this while pandering
to the illegal immigrants who like the minimum
wage workers will work their asses off, difference
being they'll work for even less and can't/won't
demand to adequate pay for adequate labor.

Why raise minimum wage when you're having an
influx of more people to work in the trenches of this country.

dementieva's fan
Jun 22nd, 2006, 06:09 PM
How will not increasing the minimum wage help the poor in the long run? :tape:

Let's say there is company that employs people at minimum wage and sells its produce to another company which also employs people at minimum wage and which creates the final refined product to sell in the market, now lets say the minimum wage is increased by $2, now the first company has to pay all of its employees $2 more per person per hour. Even if that company has only 200 persons employed it is going to cost it $400 more per hour to make that same product and now when it sells that product to the second company responsible for producing the final product, the second company would have to pay the first company more to buy the same product and now the seconds company which is responsible for producing the refined product also has to pay its employees 2$ more/hour/person and if this company has 100 employees it is going to cost it $200/person/hour more to produce. Now when this company sells it's final product to the market it is going to sell it at a higher price since it has to accommodate the price at which it bought the raw product and the price which it took to produce the final price of that product. You should know that business owner will not want a fall in his profit so to maintain his profit he will have to sell the product at the higher price. So when a poor guy goes to the market to buy that product he will have to pay more for it. Even if his minimum wage was increased, but his overall purchasing power remains the same if not less.

You guys are thinking that by increasing the minimum wage, the gap between rich and poor will be cut down. But for that you are making a big assumption that the business will compromise with lower profits. That's a big assumption. The CEO of the business will be pissed that his salary is coming down, so will all the higher earners and to maintain their salaries the would have to make an effort to increase their profits and to increase their profits they increase prices. I admit that CEO and business owners are over payed but there is nothing we can do to control it and they will try to maintain their profits which will hurt the poor in the end.

dementieva's fan
Jun 22nd, 2006, 06:21 PM
I'm glad we have raised our minimum wage in Canada. I think it used to be in the five dollar range a while ago :rolleyes::tape:



http://canadaonline.about.com/library/bl/blminwage.htm

Before reading that article, I didn't realize minimum wage in the U.S was so low :eek:

You two are mistaken, the minimum wages hablovah posted are in canadian dollars, multiply it by .89 to get its value in US$. Also all the big cities have higher minimum wages. I admit that the federal minimum wage in US is a bit too low. It should be at least $6.15 that is fair. But almost all the major centers in the US have a different minimum wage than the federal one. New York for example has $6.75US as a minimum wage which is an equivalent of $7.5CAN which is like very similar to minimum wages in Canada, plus the person in NYC also has a higher purchasing power as stuff is a lot cheaper in the US than in Canada.

dementieva's fan
Jun 22nd, 2006, 06:29 PM
Oh do explain!


Keep the rich rich and keep
the poor poor.

All they want here
is to preserve the status quo.

Not to mention keeping this while pandering
to the illegal immigrants who like the minimum
wage workers will work their asses off, difference
being they'll work for even less and can't/won't
demand to adequate pay for adequate labor.

Why raise minimum wage when you're having an
influx of more people to work in the trenches of this country.

Do you for some reason think that I don't wan poor to become richer? :confused: For the record I'm not rich by any stretch of imagination. I am probably in the same status group as you and most people here. Also you are assuming that everyone who is poor works on minimum wage that is not the case. A single mother of two working at $10/hour is also very poor and below the poverty line. How will raising the minimum wage help her? :confused: Instead she would have to pay more for the same services. And how many people work on minimum wage anyways? And what is their age demographic, I'm positive that most people who work on minimum wages are high school students or college students who will be in the mainstream job market in a few years.

angele87
Jun 22nd, 2006, 06:57 PM
Before reading that article, I didn't realize minimum wage in the U.S was so low :eek:


You two are mistaken.

:lol: I'm actually quite certain that before reading this, I did not know what the minimum wage in the U.S was. If you're refering to my low comment, it's just an opinion so you can't justify telling me I'm mistaken.

Scotso
Jun 22nd, 2006, 10:34 PM
Republicans are so out of touch. They all rake in millions, they don't care what the poorer people make. :rolleyes:

Pengwin
Jun 22nd, 2006, 11:38 PM
We introduced a minimum wage in Britain and it significantly improved the lives of a large number of people - an out and out success.

It was so successful it has been raised many times since its introduction in 1999. It now stands at almost exactly $10 USD/hour and if you scale this from the average earning of a British person (30,470) to that of the average American (41,399) that equates to the real value of $13.60/h

Even the conservatives who fought against the introduction of a minimum wage now wholeheartedly agree that it was the right thing to do.

Shuji Shuriken
Jun 23rd, 2006, 12:40 AM
Does anyone on here know anyone that makes minimum wage? :rolleyes: Y'all are outraged and the weirdest things!
I'm seriously still in shock by this. Heart-breaking :sobbing:. Heartless :sad:

CJ07
Jun 23rd, 2006, 01:26 AM
Firstly, if you take an introductory Econ class, you'll learn that the minimum wage does a few things

1) Cuts jobs
2) Is inefficient and drags the economy
3) Benefits middle and upper class white kids, not the poor that its intended to

This is one of those things that sounds nice in theory, but in reality just ends up hurting those its supposed to benefit; something very common with Democratic principles.

CJ07
Jun 23rd, 2006, 01:30 AM
I think (I hope?) what he was referring to is that most people who make minimum wage are actually kids, not the poor.

Jobs will be cut because the supply and demand curve will be offset to account for an additional dead weight loss, and those who will lose their jobs? The poor.

Companies would always rather have a 14 year old kid who the community knows and says "Hi Jimmy how are your parents doing?" working that sort of a job, rather than a lower class individual.

Now thats a seperate topic, however its true nonetheless.

jbone_0307
Jun 23rd, 2006, 02:30 AM
Firstly, if you take an introductory Econ class, you'll learn that the minimum wage does a few things

1) Cuts jobs
2) Is inefficient and drags the economy
3) Benefits middle and upper class white kids, not the poor that its intended to

This is one of those things that sounds nice in theory, but in reality just ends up hurting those its supposed to benefit; something very common with Democratic principles.

If enforced correctly while not increasing the wage much, those effects could be curbed. When was the last time the minimum wage was increased (1990s I believe)? With inflation and soaring gas prices people can barely afford to live. For somebody to be below the poverty level is just unacceptable. Its past due for an increase in minimum wage.

Helen Lawson
Jun 23rd, 2006, 05:15 PM
It's like it doesn't even matter to me, the minimum wage is so far below what it takes to survive, even doubling it wouldn't help. I know people who survive on minimal wage, they work 2 plus jobs like 18 hours a day.

pla
Jun 23rd, 2006, 06:10 PM
Wtf, I AM surprised by the figures cited here :eek:

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2006, 06:22 PM
If you cut through all the window dressing put up by the republicans, all the flag waiving and misty-eyed talk about faith and family values, it's legislative positions like this that tell you where they really stand. They yammer about family values at the same time they vote to keep working families in poverty. This vote is just one of scores of examples since they took control of the legislative and executive branches of government. Hypocritical bastards.Excellent points! And very typical of the Republican thought process. However, I'm not too worried because the minimum wage will fair MUCH better after the mid-term elections. :bounce:

...that is, if enough people wake up from their long apathetic slumber.

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2006, 06:34 PM
It's like it doesn't even matter to me, the minimum wage is so far below what it takes to survive, even doubling it wouldn't help. I know people who survive on minimal wage, they work 2 plus jobs like 18 hours a day.

I think you are wrong Helen. Doubling the minimum wage would help families who live below that poverty line out very much. However, I don't agree with increasing it that much because the economy would most likely be affected.

The resistance to raising it a few dollars from the Republicans isn't suprising consdering they are in the hands of big business. Family values mean little to this party when discussing the well being of low skilled workers. Everything revolves around their bottom lines and the Christian in them only shows up when it's convenient.

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2006, 06:51 PM
Let's say there is company that employs people at minimum wage and sells its produce to another company which also employs people at minimum wage and which creates the final refined product to sell in the market, now lets say the minimum wage is increased by $2, now the first company has to pay all of its employees $2 more per person per hour. Even if that company has only 200 persons employed it is going to cost it $400 more per hour to make that same product and now when it sells that product to the second company responsible for producing the final product, the second company would have to pay the first company more to buy the same product and now the seconds company which is responsible for producing the refined product also has to pay its employees 2$ more/hour/person and if this company has 100 employees it is going to cost it $200/person/hour more to produce. Now when this company sells it's final product to the market it is going to sell it at a higher price since it has to accommodate the price at which it bought the raw product and the price which it took to produce the final price of that product. You should know that business owner will not want a fall in his profit so to maintain his profit he will have to sell the product at the higher price. So when a poor guy goes to the market to buy that product he will have to pay more for it. Even if his minimum wage was increased, but his overall purchasing power remains the same if not less.

You guys are thinking that by increasing the minimum wage, the gap between rich and poor will be cut down. But for that you are making a big assumption that the business will compromise with lower profits. That's a big assumption. The CEO of the business will be pissed that his salary is coming down, so will all the higher earners and to maintain their salaries the would have to make an effort to increase their profits and to increase their profits they increase prices. I admit that CEO and business owners are over payed but there is nothing we can do to control it and they will try to maintain their profits which will hurt the poor in the end.Dementieva's fan, are you aware that most viable companies frequently compensate for any and all financial hits. For the short run, the smaller companies will more than likely take a hit, but if the product is solid, then the business will survive and adjust accordingly. It's been this way for centuries, for crying out loud.

Companies and businesses have ALWAYS adapted to economic changes. So why would this be any different? :shrug:

Here's the bigger picture...

CEOs average bonuses, compensation and retirement packages that exceed millions to hundreds of millions of dollars. This alone is an economic travesty, especially when you consider that they receive such packages even when they run a company into the ground. And since health care and the cost of increases [nearly] exponentially annually, how do you expect someone making $5 to $6 / hour to survive. It would appear that these people [the ones providing the CEOs their million/billion dollar packages] are simply throwaways in your mind. That's truly sad. :sad:

Any moral well-meaning individual would vote for the passing of such a small increase. And sorry, but I have ti fall back on Bill Clinton's January 8, 2001 reasoning on this one:

*Raising the Minimum Wage Would Help Millions of Workers. In the third quarter of 2000, 2.6 million workers earned wages at or below the Federal minimum wage of $5.15. Another 6.9 million workers earned wages of less than $6.15 ($1.00 above the minimum wage), and still another 3.4 million workers earned less than $6.65 ($1.50 above the minimum wage).


*Most Minimum-Wage Workers Are Adults. Of the 9.5 million workers with wages below $6.15, 68 percent are adults (age 20 or older); 35 percent help support a family; and 60 percent are women. Fourteen percent of these workers are African-American and 19 percent are Hispanic.


*The Minimum Wage Has Eroded Significantly—It Is Now Only 65 Percent of Its 1968 Value. In 1968 the minimum wage was worth $7.92 in 2000 dollars—substantially more than today’s $5.15. The average real value of the minimum wage from 1960 to 1980 was $6.83. Today, an individual working full-time at the minimum wage earns $10,300 a year, only 60 percent of the poverty level for a family of four.


*A $1 Hourly Increase Would Simply Restore the Real Value of the Minimum Wage to What it Was in 1982. Raising the minimum wage by $1 would simply restore the real value of the minimum wage to what it was in 1982. This would help shore up the erosion in the real value of the minimum wage during the 1980s when, between January 1981 and March 1990, the minimum wage was unchanged at $3.35 an hour, while prices rose by nearly 50 percent.


*The Minimum Wage Plays an Important Role in Ensuring That All Workers Share in a Growing Economy. In the last seven years, incomes have grown nearly as strongly from the bottom to the top of the income distribution. In contrast, during the previous two decades inequality widened, as poorer workers saw their incomes decline in real terms. Research has shown that the decline in the real value of the minimum wage from 1979 to 1988 was responsible for approximately 24 percent of the increase in wage inequality experienced by men and about 32 percent of the increase in wage inequality for women.


*Increasing the Minimum Wage Would Help Hard-Pressed Families Pay for Groceries and Rent. Raising the minimum wage $1.00 would raise the annual earnings of a full-time worker by about $2,000 a year. A change of $1.50 would increase the yearly income of a full-time minimum-wage worker by $3,000. For a full-time worker supporting a family of four, a $1.00 minimum wage increase would translate into enough money to pay for nearly eight months of groceries or five months of rent.


*The Minimum Wage and Earned Income Tax Credit Work Together for Low-Wage Workers. The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) works in conjunction with the minimum wage to ensure a livable wage for low-income families. In 1993 the President fought for an increase in the EITC and in 1996 he fought for an increase in the minimum wage. As a result, in 1999 the EITC lifted an estimated 4.1 million people out of poverty. A higher minimum wage increases the effectiveness of the EITC in increasing the incomes of the lowest-wage workers. Currently, an individual working full-time at the minimum wage would earn $10,300 per year. The EITC could increase this annual income to as much as $14,188.


*The Impact from the Last Minimum Wage Increase Is Clear: Employment of Low-Skilled Workers Continued to Increase. Since the last minimum wage increase in 1996 and 1997, nearly 12 million jobs have been created and the unemployment rate has fallen from 5.2 percent in September 1996 to 4.0 percent in December 2000, near its lowest level in thirty years. Labor market trends for workers most affected by the minimum wage increase—including younger workers with lower educational levels and minorities—also showed little or no negative impact of the minimum wage on employment.


*Previous Minimum Wage Increases Resulted in Little or No Decrease in Employment. Numerous economic studies, including those by David Card and Alan Krueger of Princeton University, have shown that increasing the minimum wage has no negative effect on employment. Recent research has even suggested that higher wages can increase employment, because such higher wages increase employers’ ability to attract, retain, and motivate workers. In this time of low unemployment and continued economic growth, it is likely that the dominant effect of an increase in the minimum wage would be to increase the incomes of those at the lower end of the wage distribution.

Of course there are 'some' idiosyncratic updates and changes required to compensate for the current state of the economy, but the essential principles remain the same. :wavey:

Helen Lawson
Jun 23rd, 2006, 06:58 PM
I think you are wrong Helen. Doubling the minimum wage would help families who live below that poverty line out very much. However, I don't agree with increasing it that much because the economy would most likely be affected.

The resistance to raising it a few dollars from the Republicans isn't suprising consdering they are in the hands of big business. Family values mean little to this party when discussing the well being of low skilled workers. Everything revolves around their bottom lines and the Christian in them only shows up when it's convenient.

I didn't mean it quite that literally, just whatever they were going to raise it, it wasn't like it was going to change lives that much. It's WAY too low.

pla
Jun 23rd, 2006, 07:11 PM
I didn't mean it quite that literally, just whatever they were going to raise it, it wasn't like it was going to change lives that much. It's WAY too low.

Indeed, this is way too low and raising it a bit will not help much, although for someone having that money per month even a dollar is welcome I guess.

The problem with minimum wages is that they are the mirror of the general social politics of a country. Here, the mnimum wage is 1500 euros for non-quialified workers, which makes around 9 euros and 50 cents (including the bigger holydays), and this wage is "indexed" with the inflation. This permits to live.. not very well but still, you can continue work 40 hours per week and don't starve or live in a mobile home.

It gives a greater consumming possibility, a greater safety and prodctivity but it also creats problems. So it's about a choice of what the American society wants.

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2006, 07:29 PM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/06/clinton_durbin_et_al_dems_push.html

Clinton, Durbin et al: Dems push for minimum wage hike today. House members give themselves raise. Say what?

Dems want to force a vote on hiking the $5.15-an-hour federal minimum wage, which is meeting resistance from the GOP leadership. This may be an election year splinter issue for Republicans--some may revolt and move to get the issue to the House floor.

While they weigh raising the wages of low-paid people (21 states already have higher minimums) last week, House members got a two percent cost of living raise--up $3,300 to a base $168,500.

KENNEDY, DURBIN, CLINTON HOYER, OBEY, MILLER TO HOLD PRESS CONFERENCE ON THE STRONG MOMENTUM DESPITE REPUBLICAN EFFORTS TO BLOCK


Washington, D.C. – TODAY, Senators Kennedy, Durbin, and Clinton along with Representatives Hoyer, Obey, and Miller will hold a press conference calling on members of Congress to support Senator Kennedy’s amendment in the Senate and Representative Hoyer’s legislation in the House to give workers the much needed pay increase they deserve. Momentum is building across the country as 21 states have higher rates than the federal minimum and over 100,000 Citizen Co-Sponsors have joined together in support of Kennedy’s Fair Minimum Wage Act. Today, the members will continue the fight in the war on poverty by urging members to pass this much needed raise.

WHO: SENATOR KENNEDY
SENATOR DURBIN
SENATOR CLINTON
REP. HOYER
REP. OBEY
REP. MILLER


WHAT: PRESS CONFERENCE ON INCREASING MINIMUM WAGE

WHERE: SENATE RADIO/TV GALLERY

WHEN: 3:30
TUESDAY, JUNE 20
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What a bunch of @#*! Hypocrites!! :fiery:

Wigglytuff
Jun 23rd, 2006, 07:35 PM
What a bunch of @#*! Hypocrites!! :fiery:
yep! thats exactly what they are.

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2006, 07:44 PM
I didn't mean it quite that literally, just whatever they were going to raise it, it wasn't like it was going to change lives that much. It's WAY too low.

I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. A dollar here and there helps out a whole bunch.:D

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2006, 07:59 PM
You have to have some kind of evil soul to not think that with gas being close to $3 a gallon that the wage of $5.15/hr is ridiculous and an insult to all those people who do the jobs that are necessary but most don't want to do. :fiery:

Unfortunately the only punishment they will receive is the Hell they will languish in for eternity......but we have to wait for them to die. :sad:

Wigglytuff
Jun 23rd, 2006, 08:01 PM
You have to have some kind of evil soul to no think that with gas being close to $3 a gallon that the wage of $5.15/hr is ridiculous and an insult to all those people who do the jobs that are necessary but most don't want to do. :fiery:

Unfortunately the only punishment they will receive is the Hell they will languish in for eternity......but we have to wait for them to die. :sad:
:lol: :lol: :worship:

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2006, 08:13 PM
You have to have some kind of evil soul to not think that with gas being close to $3 a gallon that the wage of $5.15/hr is ridiculous and an insult to all those people who do the jobs that are necessary but most don't want to do. :fiery:

Unfortunately the only punishment they will receive is the Hell they will languish in for eternity......but we have to wait for them to die. :sad:Gives Rocky ...TWO-SNAPS-A-TWIRL-AND-A- :worship:

Incidentally, shall we mention the prices of homes [or rent], groceries, transportation, child care, cost of education, etc-etc-etc....

However, tagging em as 'evil' is the understatement of the millennium. :lol:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2006, 08:25 PM
Gives Rocky ...TWO-SNAPS-A-TWIRL-AND-A- :worship:

Incidentally, shall we mention the prices of homes [or rent], groceries, transportation, child care, cost of education, etc-etc-etc....

However, tagging em as 'evil' is the understatement of the millennium. :lol:

pffft.........haven't you heard....the poor shouldn't be allowed to have children. :rolleyes: