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Robbie.
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Wimbledon the missing peace in a tumultous life story

Donald McRae
Tuesday June 20, 2006
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/tennis/comment/0,,1801393,00.html

"Sometimes I think I might be the oldest 24-year-old in the world," Justine Henin-Hardenne says with a faint smile. In the midst of explaining how she survived terrible adversity to emerge as the most iron-willed competitor in women's tennis, with her recent domination of the French Open lending more weight to the belief that she is finally ready to win Wimbledon, Henin-Hardenne seems to feel the trauma of her past with renewed intensity. "I was 12 when my mother died and my sister was only eight," she says, "which is not a good age to lose a parent. So even now there is not an hour in my life when I don't think of my mum. I know I will never recover from that experience."

</IMG>She shrugs gently, and looks away, as if any other reaction would be almost unbearable. On a muggy afternoon in Eastbourne, as the familiar thwack of tennis balls being hit hard and true merges with the muted applause of a genteel crowd, it is plain that the impact of her mother's death in 1994 still haunts Henin-Hardenne. That hurt is deepened by her estrangement from the rest of her family in Belgium and a brutal illness which almost ruined her in 2004.


Henin-Hardenne turns back and smiles more clearly. "What do you do? Do you just give up? No. I always try to find something positive, and so I can say that I'm the same person I was before my mother died - only much stronger. To survive you keep going - that's the only secret to life, because we will all lose someone we love. That's why everyone has a story."

She might have climbed back to No3 in the official Sony Ericsson world rankings, and just won her fifth grand slam title, but her more personal story resonates far beyond the insular women's tour. It is a story which is illustrated best by the intimate image of her mother, Françoise, sitting on the edge of Justine's bath most nights in the last year of her life. Looking down into her daughter's serious but youthful face, which would be wet with bath-water rather than tears, Françoise knew she was dying of cancer but "she never showed that to us. She wanted to teach me instead to believe in my dreams because she gave up everything for her kids. And so, even when she was dying, the only thing that scared her was the thought of leaving us."

In 1992 Françoise Henin had crossed the French border and driven all the way to Paris with her daughter. Justine was only 10 but she and her mother shared an evocative day at Roland Garros, on the Saturday of an epic French Open final which was finally won, 10-8 in the third, by Monica Seles - who beat Steffi Graf, Justine's idol. Eleven years later, on the day the now married Henin-Hardenne won her own first grand slam in Paris, she "warmed up for the final that morning and I kept looking over at the spot near the umpire's chair where my mother and I had sat together in 1992. My coach [Carlos Rodriguez] could tell something was happening to me and so I showed him the seats where we had watched that match. And I thought of that day just a couple of weeks ago when I won the French again."

In cruising to her third French Open title this month, without dropping a set, Henin-Hardenne looked ready to build a legacy which could one day be compared with some of her most illustrious predecessors. "I've won five grand slams now and, if you gave me the chance, I'd sign for another five right now. But what Steffi, Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert did in winning so many more was phenomenal. I don't think anyone will achieve what they did. They were great champions and we have to be realistic. This is also a different era of tennis and I look more at Venus Williams and [Martina] Hingis, who've also won five. My goal is to win a few more and I believe I can actually win Wimbledon, which is a big passion of mine" - comparable perhaps to Roger Federer's to win the French title.

Henin-Hardenne takes particular pride in stressing that her first grand slam final came on the grass of SW19 rather than the dirt of Paris. She also offers up another tangled family memory to heighten its meaning to her.

"I think people forget that I made it to the Wimbledon final in 2001 - two years before the French. That match was supposed to be a big party in my life - but everyone I knew in the stands looked very sad. I knew it couldn't be for my match because I took Venus Williams to three sets. I guessed something else was wrong and then they told me just after my press conference - I had lost my grandfather that day. He was almost the last family member on my mother's side who had still been alive and so it was very painful.

"He was 81 but he seemed in great shape and he drove to lots of my tournaments. The last time we spoke was when I called after I beat [Jennifer] Capriati in the semis. He was so happy for me, and so proud, that I'm glad he knew I made it to the final. He always believed in me and never judged my decisions."

Others in her family were less forgiving - especially of her decision, at the age of 17, to leave her overbearing father, two brothers and younger sister to live instead with Pierre-Yves Hardenne, a 21-year-old Belgian tennis coach. After describing her departure "as like leaving prison", and marrying Pierre-Yves in November 2002, the strained relationship with her family collapsed.

She looks guarded at the thought of one day seeing Sarah, her younger sister. "It's something . . ." she begins, before faltering briefly. "Well, it's difficult. I don't really get a chance to see her. We'll see . . . I don't know."

"And your dad?" I wonder. "I don't want to talk about him," she says firmly, but with a placatory wave of her hand to show that she does not wish to sound too clipped.

There has been so much darkness in her life, in a tennis career which is otherwise burnished with titles and plaudits, that it seems cruel to probe further. It is enough to ask how she feels physically - for even here there has been tribulation. Apart from a catalogue of injuries, some of which resulted from her battle to overcome far stronger and bigger women, Henin-Hardenne suffered her greatest ordeal in 2004 when she was stricken with cytomegalovirus - an illness which left her bereft of all energy. She was pinned down by a need to sleep for 18 hours a day and an inertia so debilitating she could barely raise an arm to clean her teeth.

"I thought it was the end of my tennis. Even as a person I could feel myself changing. I just wanted to stay at home and not see anyone, not even my friends. It was another tough time - not just in my career but my life. But, slowly, I got better. I still have to be very careful and I can't train or work as hard as I once did. But I have a great team around me and I get checked every two months."

Improved health has sharpened her desire for that first Wimbledon title. And right now it appears as if no one in women's tennis can match her steely purpose or the sheer voracity of her appetite for success. "I think the mental side will be very important at Wimbledon. These championships, like the whole of women's tennis right now, are wide open.

"I would say that six or seven girls have a big chance to win. There is no obvious favourite this year and, on grass, we're all so close. But I always fight, maybe harder than anyone, and never give up. And that's very important on grass because it's a frustrating surface. I've already done well at Wimbledon - with a final and two semis - and I'm much better now than I was then. Wimbledon is a big dream of mine because I've won all the other grand slam tournaments. So I really will try to win it this time."

Her anticipation is so palpable that I wonder if she can sustain such intensity for many more years. "I'll always be like this," she insists. "I'm totally intense in everything - with tennis, my husband, my coach and my friends. If I do something I give everything of myself. If you are my best friend I will expect to call you every day, and we speak for an hour at least. I know it helps me - that's why I'm on the phone all the time talking to everyone I love."

She sinks back into her chair and, for once looking and sounding like an ordinary 24-year-old, laughs softly when I ask if controlling that famous compulsion has been the hardest aspect of her slow road back to full health. "Definitely. I now know how important it is to take time off and not push myself too far. I need to give my body time to recover and I'm learning how to do that. Maybe that's the best sign that I'm starting to mature as a person. I also have good people around me - which is why I'm very happy right now." That happiness will be complete at Wimbledon if all the heartache she has endured over the last 12 years is stripped down into one more burst of searing commitment which sees her lift the greatest prize in women's tennis. "Oh," she says in amazement, as if a bright light has suddenly switched on inside her, "if I actually win Wimbledon it would feel very special. It would feel like this story has a very happy ending."

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frenchie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Henin's life is not tumultuous :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:49 AM
Henin's life is not tumultuous :rolleyes:

*F* off and go troll someplace else.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:50 AM
"In cruising to her third French Open title this month, without dropping a set, Henin-Hardenne looked ready to build a legacy which could one day be compared with some of her most illustrious predecessors. "I've won five grand slams now and, if you gave me the chance, I'd sign for another five right now. But what Steffi, Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert did in winning so many more was phenomenal. I don't think anyone will achieve what they did. They were great champions and we have to be realistic. This is also a different era of tennis and I look more at Venus Williams and [Martina] Hingis, who've also won five. My goal is to win a few more and I believe I can actually win Wimbledon, which is a big passion of mine" - comparable perhaps to Roger Federer's to win the French title."

TRUTH

rikvanlooy
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:54 AM
Henin's life is not tumultuous :rolleyes:

I have to say that I have to agree.

A lot of people have lost members of their family at an early age.

rikvanlooy
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:56 AM
"In cruising to her third French Open title this month, without dropping a set, Henin-Hardenne looked ready to build a legacy which could one day be compared with some of her most illustrious predecessors. "I've won five grand slams now and, if you gave me the chance, I'd sign for another five right now. But what Steffi, Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert did in winning so many more was phenomenal. I don't think anyone will achieve what they did. They were great champions and we have to be realistic. This is also a different era of tennis and I look more at Venus Williams and [Martina] Hingis, who've also won five. My goal is to win a few more and I believe I can actually win Wimbledon, which is a big passion of mine" - comparable perhaps to Roger Federer's to win the French title."

TRUTH

In the Belgian media she is talking about the 6 and 7 wins of Graf and Evert at RG.

Her 'to win a few more' is in fact at least 4-5 slams,even 6-8 slams. She wants to become the best after Graf, Navratilova and Evert.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:58 AM
Nice interview, thanks Robbie. :hug:

Robbie.
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:59 AM
In the Belgian media she is talking about the 6 and 7 wins of Graf and Evert at RG.

I think those numbers are in her grasp. I would be surprised if she didnt win atleast another couple of RG's and then, well, she is in their company.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:30 AM
Henin's life is not tumultuous :rolleyes:

:spit: Post of the day :haha:

Greenout
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Good article- real quotes from Eastbourne.

fifiricci
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:43 AM
I have to say that I have to agree.

A lot of people have lost members of their family at an early age.


Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

Abizack
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:47 AM
I do not see any reason that Henin cannot win the Big W this year or soon enough. A lot of the big power hitters are gone and that will only help her win it. Davenport is now out of the tourney with an injury, Serena is out, Venus hasn't played much (although it didn't matter last year) and Maria is not playing great tennis yet either. I think Henin will win it before she retires. I am not a fan of hers, but she has so much dang talent that she should be able to pull it off. I think she has a great shot at it this year. If she does not win it, it will take someone playing some great tennis to knock her out.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:50 AM
Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

It's amazing, then, that you still feel magnetically drawn to read every thread you can about this loathesome cow. :angel:

fifiricci
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:53 AM
It's amazing, then, that you still feel magnetically drawn to read every thread you can about this loathesome cow. :angel:

I was hoping for a pleasant surprise, after all, you Justeenies are always whingeing on about how we non Justeenies just don't understand poor Juju, so I thought that a new article might give me some new insight into the severely misrepresented "loathesome cow".

I can see now that my hopes were severely misplaced ;)

nick66
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:55 AM
I sympathise dearly, but am I the only one who is sick to death of hearing the story of Justine telling her now deceased mother that she would win the French Open when they watched a match there.

I think it is more annoying than Sharapova's leaving Siberia story.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

I'm sure that every time you read a human interest article about Justine, you realize how worthless and insignificant you are as a human being. Its largely why you trounce Justine at every turn. And it also explains how miserable a human being you truly are.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:03 PM
It's amazing, then, that you still feel magnetically drawn to read every thread you can about this loathesome cow. :angel:

Its jealously. Pure and simple.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:03 PM
I sympathise dearly, but am I the only one who is sick to death of hearing the story of Justine telling her now deceased mother that she would win the French Open when they watched a match there.

I think it is more annoying than Sharapova's leaving Siberia story.

I'm tired of those stories, too, but in fairness to these 2 players, it's mostly the tv commentators who keep bringing it up. Justine herself rarely brings that up, nor Maria.

calabar
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:09 PM
Nice article, but Justine, please get real, You did NOT take Venus to three sets, It was Venus' sloppiness that caused that match to go three sets.

Fedcup
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:11 PM
I have to say that I have to agree.

A lot of people have lost members of their family at an early age.

So their life are also tumultuous.
It's not because it happens to a lot of people it's not awful anymore :rolleyes:

Joana
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:11 PM
Q

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

No.

Fedcup
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:14 PM
Nice article, but Justine, please get real, You did NOT take Venus to three sets, It was Venus' sloppiness that caused that match to go three sets.

It was a 3-set match. So she had taken Venus to 3 sets. As simple as that.
But this is not the topic to discuss that

Fedcup
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:16 PM
Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

If you're a millionaire, if you're poor. Losing your mother at young age will always hurt you for the rest of your life.
Do you people really feel people? :rolleyes:

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:17 PM
Nice article, but Justine, please get real, You did NOT take Venus to three sets, It was Venus' sloppiness that caused that match to go three sets.

:lol: So now players are required in interviews to specify HOW they won a set in a Grand Slam final, according to your standards? Nice try for a new way to trash Justine. :silly: :kiss:

new-york
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:18 PM
Nice article, but Justine, please get real, You did NOT take Venus to three sets, It was Venus' sloppiness that caused that match to go three sets.

i think, whatever. A three set match is a 3 setters. Whatever how is the opponent playing, Justine was better in the second and managed to win more games.

Hopefully Venus won, but a match is always a combo of two players. If not, let's have some players vs walls matchup from now in the tournaments.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:18 PM
If you're a millionaire, if you're poor. Losing your mother at young age will always hurt you for the rest of your life.

:worship:

KClijsters
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:18 PM
In the Belgian media she is talking about the 6 and 7 wins of Graf and Evert at RG.

Her 'to win a few more' is in fact at least 4-5 slams,even 6-8 slams. She wants to become the best after Graf, Navratilova and Evert.

I think Justine will win a few more slams. Certain on clay. There is nobody who can beat her on clay. She's just the best player on clay this moment. She can also win Wimbledon, US Open or Australian Open but on grass and hardcourt there are more players who can beat her. So that would be more difficult. But she's a great player and I think she has a good chance of winning Wimbledon. But I put my money on Venus. She's a very good player on grass and I think she will win Wimbledon again this year.

Martian KC
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:22 PM
Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:

Talk about the same old tune you decide to display. :lol: So having money should comfort you? :o Mothers are that replaceable I assume? I assumed you were just a heartless, ill tempered woman at first, but now you're latest actions have justified my notions. :lol:

Joana
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:22 PM
:lol: So now players are required in interviews to specify HOW they won a set in a Grand Slam final, according to your standards? Nice try for a new way to trash Justine. :silly: :kiss:

Yes, she's going to say: "That match was supposed to be a big party in my life - but everyone I knew in the stands looked very sad. I knew it couldn't be for my match because Venus's sloppiness took the match to 3 sets."

This sudden "Venus doesn't lose, she beats herself" hysteria is really annoying.

vettipooh
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:25 PM
Henin's life is not tumultuous :rolleyes:
I have to agree there! She walked away from her family in search of fame and fortune. Nothing tumultous about that!!! Part of her agony was probably brought on by herself....guilt, blame, hurt, shame. Tons of people lose a loved one, but hers is, of course, unique to her because of the French open 'story' with her Mom and her tennis goals. It will always be a lasting memory, and one that is brought up over and over again. Just wish she would make amends with her estranged family and put a superb happy ending to this story...it would be great to see them all in the stands, sharing the joy and elation of her sixth grand slam....just not at Wimbly!;) ....that belongs to my precious Vee!!...hopefully!:lol: :devil:

Robbie.
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:27 PM
This sudden "Venus doesn't lose, she beats herself" hysteria is really annoying.

Sudden? It's been happening since 1997 dear :p

fifiricci
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:37 PM
Talk about the same old tune you decide to display. :lol: So having money should comfort you? :o Mothers are that replaceable I assume? I assumed you were just a heartless, ill tempered woman at first, but now you're latest actions have justified my notions. :lol:

I haven't lost my mother yet, but I have lost my father (who I loved dearly and of course no money can replace that you shallow fuckwit). I find your reply extremely tasteless and needless to say, demonstrable of your lack of understanding of anything that doesn't involve a personal attack.

It's not my fault if your partiality to Justine prevents you from seeing that she has played this "my mother" card to death and no-one but die hard blinkered fans care about that any more. :rolleyes:

It bad and sad that Justine lost her mother at 12, but that was years ago and we have to move on. All of us do. And every time I have a bad day, I don't go around in my life using my father's death as an excuse or a justification.

I'm surprised I've wasted so much wit and intelligence replying to your pathetic little post. Is it your birthday?

Martian KC
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:50 PM
I haven't lost my mother yet, but I have lost my father (who I loved dearly and of course no money can replace that you shallow fuckwit). I find your reply extremely tasteless and needless to say, demonstrable of your lack of understanding of anything that doesn't involve a personal attack.

Perhaps thinking before you post might actually help out abit more? You admit saying it was materialistic but yet you still had to say it. How careless of you.:drool: Oh and I love how you can differentiate between personals attacks made on you and the ones you make on Justine in every one of her thread? Talk about lack of everything. No wonder you're the sad cow we see to this day.

It's not my fault if your partiality to Justine prevents you from seeing that she has played this "my mother" card to death and no-one but die hard blinkered fans care about that any more. :rolleyes:

No, my reactions was towards you constantly attacking Justine with your lack of tack. It had nothing to do with anyone's disagreements towards Justine's sob story.

It bad and sad that Justine lost her mother at 12, but that was years ago and we have to move on. All of us do. And every time I have a bad day, I don't go around in my life using my father's death as an excuse or a justification.

But I guess you weren't constantly asked about your dead father everyday either. *sigh*

I'm surprised I've wasted so much wit and intelligence replying to your pathetic little post. Is it your birthday?

It seems you wasted your "wit and intelligence" decades ago, darling.

Joana
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:53 PM
Fifi, I assume Justine is constantly being asked to tell that story again. I doubt she insists on reliving those memories all the time.

Allez-H
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:00 PM
Quite, and 99% of them do not have the (albeit materialistic) comfort of being multimillionaires by the time they are in their 20s :rolleyes:

I'm amazed that anyone still can bear to listen to that old old old piece of violin music that cranks up every time Justine mentions her mother.

And how does she think she is the "oldest 24 year old in the world" for fuck's sake? What a pretentious little cow she is! Does someone want to tell her that there are kids who grow up on the streets or a rubbish dump and are prostitutes by the time they are in their early teens?

Still, I'm sure that the Justeenies get all misty eyed every time they read this self indulgent rubbish from HH :rolleyes:


Dude chill. She doesn't bring that up by herself there's a journalist who's trying to get a good story and that means dig up her history. There was a time ( she did that at SW 2001) where she asked by forehand to the press to not ask any question about her family, because that was the only thing they were intrested in. Guess she gave up on it, half way through it. It's like couple of weeks ago somebody said that "thankfully she didn't dedicate her victory (RG) AGAIN to her mother". As if she does that all the time. In my memory she dedicated it twice to her mother: the first time was when she won Goldcoast in 2001 (well she didn't really dedicated it she just said that "she hopes her mom was proud of her") and RG 2003. She won 26 titles in her career, that's hardly all the time isn't it?




Plus, you sure didn't take long before you started calling us Justeenies again, and seriously did we start anything this time :confused: *sigh* I guess some things will never change

fifiricci
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Perhaps thinking before you post might actually help out abit more? You admit saying it was materialistic but yet you still had to say it. How careless of you.:drool: Oh and I love how you can differentiate between personals attacks made on you and the ones you make on Justine in every one of her thread? Talk about lack of everything. No wonder you're the sad cow we see to this day.



No, my reactions was towards you constantly attacking Justine with your lack of tack. It had nothing to do with anyone's disagreements towards Justine's sob story.



But I guess you weren't constantly asked about your dead father everyday either. *sigh*



It seems you wasted your "wit and intelligence" decades ago, darling.

Ooh, take your medication dearie! :lol:

I didn't think such uber-bitchiness was possible, even from you. What a lovely distinction to have in life. ;)

DragonFlame
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:11 PM
Ooh, take your medication dearie! :lol:

I didn't think such uber-bitchiness was possible, even from you. What a lovely distinction to have in life. ;)

you just have nothing to counter his post and try to get out easy. your first post in this thread was just uncalled for and plain rude. a new low.

bruingirl
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:12 PM
It bad and sad that Justine lost her mother at 12, but that was years ago and we have to move on. All of us do. And every time I have a bad day, I don't go around in my life using my father's death as an excuse or a justification.

I think Justine is a prime example of someone who doesn't use her mother's death as an excuse. If she did, she would not be a five-time grand slam champion who is widely regarded as one of the most tenacious fighters in the game.

fifiricci
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:20 PM
you just have nothing to counter his post and try to get out easy. .

No, its because I've made my points and know when to stop, unlike Martian KC whose vitriol and wide understanding of the bereavement process apparently know no bounds ;)

griffin
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:21 PM
I have to agree there! She walked away from her family in search of fame and fortune. Nothing tumultous about that!!! Part of her agony was probably brought on by herself....guilt, blame, hurt, shame. Tons of people lose a loved one, but hers is, of course, unique to her because of the French open 'story' with her Mom and her tennis goals.

No, hers is unique because she has millions of people watching the aftermath (and passing judgement one way or the other).

I will agree that whatever deaths and drama we endure, we are responsible for our own actions and decisions. That applies to Justine as well as to myself and everyone in this thread. But to dismiss the impact of losing a parent, of winding up estranged from the rest of your family (saying that she simply "walked away...in search of fame and fortune" may be comforting to YOU, saving you the trouble of caring, but I suspect reality is at bit more complicated) is heartless to say the least.

You don't have to like her to recognize that she's a human being, do you?

RAA
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:29 PM
you guys are remarkably unsympathetic.

she lost HER MOTHER at age 12.

that is an unbelievably hard hurdle to overcome.

i'm not saying she is the poster child for UNICEF or anything, but it was HER MOTHER for f*cks sake.

it must have been tremendously hard.

loppy
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:43 PM
In the Belgian media she is talking about the 6 and 7 wins of Graf and Evert at RG.

Her 'to win a few more' is in fact at least 4-5 slams,even 6-8 slams. She wants to become the best after Graf, Navratilova and Evert.


That's my impression as well. Hope she can stay healthy and achieve true greatest among tennis legends.

vejh
Jun 20th, 2006, 02:46 PM
That was a nice article.

I must say JHH is very patient with the press asking her to relive those sad moments re her mom and family again. But she makes no bones about not talking about her dad. Hopefully the family may reunite again for the good of everyone.

How intense is she? lol. She makes sure everyone knows she loves them, everyday... awwwww.

pigam
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I have to agree there! She walked away from her family in search of fame and fortune. Nothing tumultous about that!!! Part of her agony was probably brought on by herself....guilt, blame, hurt, shame. Tons of people lose a loved one, but hers is, of course, unique to her because of the French open 'story' with her Mom and her tennis goals. It will always be a lasting memory, and one that is brought up over and over again. Just wish she would make amends with her estranged family and put a superb happy ending to this story...it would be great to see them all in the stands, sharing the joy and elation of her sixth grand slam....just not at Wimbly!;) ....that belongs to my precious Vee!!...hopefully!:lol: :devil:
Wow, this sure is extremely rude!!
She walked away for "fame and fortune"... and it was probably her own fault?!
Easy to say if you have a perfect home situation where your paretns suport your talent. if that's not the case, respect to Justine for having the caracter to stand up to her family and live her own life (people have that right, you know?)

And of course Justine is not the only person who lost a parent at a young age. So does that make it any less painfull?

Justine said on numerous occasions she would give all her titles and money (fame and fortune, you know) back to have her mum back.
She also often refused to answer suestions about her mum saying "anyone knows the story by now". It's not like she is "using" it, what a disgusting thing to say.

wow, this board has just fell to a new low.

vwfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:23 PM
uhmm. . .why did she leave her family?

pigam
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:24 PM
uhmm. . .why did she leave her family?
because she's a selfish little cow who looks for fame and fortune only.

vwfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM
There is no obvious favourite this year I am glad that Venus didn't get the memo last year. :tape: Hopefully, she won't get it this year either.

and, on grass, we're all so close. really?! the other players who have 3 Wimbledon titles and have been in 5 out of six finals are really flying under the radar. :lol:

vwfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:31 PM
because she's a selfish little cow who looks for fame and fortune only.no, really. i don't know the story.

jenny161185
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:31 PM
eeehhhh theres no need for that pigam you dont even know the girl - like none of us do.

pigam
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:35 PM
look I was being sarcastic, OK?

Noone exactly knows why she left her fmily, and is it really any of our business?
Her dad made her do all the homechores since she was "the only woman left". that's what I heard. Justine met PY and her family (=her dad) did not want any kind of relationship for Justine.
even if it is something completely different, does it really matter?
i'm sure Justine has good reasons, you don't "just" leave you dad and siblings. not "even" Justine.

So many cold hearted people on this board it's disturbing.

Not saying you should cry for Justine, but a little understanding would be nice.
just like for every player's problem. jelena's dad, V&S's sister, Mirjana's dad, Myskina's mum, ...

vejh
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:40 PM
There was/has been some probs with JHH and her dad after a while. Apparently it is a very very touchy subject because JHH pretty much always refuses to talk about it. She misses her siblings, that much is obvious, but somethings went down b/w her and dad. Who knows, in years to come they may patch things up.

There was one obvious fave for Wimby last yr.: Shara, based on winning the previous wimby and the tune-up. Venus winning was a surprise. This yr. even some Venus fans are expressing their doubts about what Venus will be able to do. But in fact, there is no clear fave, there are several girls who can win it. This is not like 2002-2004 where we knew the two very clear faves.

And she is right on grass, it's not clay where we know there are only a handful who can compete really well. On grass, one serve, one volley, can get you through, and we all know we got some big servers on the WTA these days. Even Vaidisova can be in the mix for a Wimby with her big game.

rikvanlooy
Jun 21st, 2006, 09:31 AM
If you're a millionaire, if you're poor. Losing your mother at young age will always hurt you for the rest of your life.
Do you people really feel people? :rolleyes:

That's not true. I have lost my father when I was very young. One then hasn't really got an idea what this represents.

If you are too young it's less of a disaster than when you are older.

Sam L
Jun 21st, 2006, 11:03 AM
Word.

cynicole
Jun 21st, 2006, 12:30 PM
That's not true. I have lost my father when I was very young. One then hasn't really got an idea what this represents.

If you are too young it's less of a disaster than when you are older.

FWIW, from all the people I've come across who've lost at least one of their parents, it's the ones who lost them in their late teens who seemed most devastated.

But, I mean, every case is different.

Sadly, I'm not astounded by the responses in this thread. And I'm certainly not surprised by one respondant. I love the irony of someone arguing against Justine by using their own "I lost a parent" card and "look, I'm fine." [not referring to you, rikvanlooy]

Honestly, when I first read the article, I actually couldn't believe it because, usually and lately, Justine doesn't comment that much on her mother anymore. It reads like the reporter asked her maybe one question about it and then went off to the races and quoted existing interviews.

This is just one of the things you have to get used to. You can't read a Justine profile without them mentioning her mother just like you can't read a Williams Sisters piece without Compton, Maria with Siberia, Kim without her athletic parents, Capriati without the "lost years," Monica without the stabbing, etc.