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Lenafan
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Seeing Peer's result today made me wonder about another person who was red hot during the clay season in Safina. She had one impressive win after another after another before she fell apart in the 1st set against Kuznetsova.

She's an obvious talent, but was curious how people think her game will do on the grass. Personally I think like Peer she won't do as well? Thoughts?

Babolatpro880
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:52 PM
I for some reason agree with you, that maybe she won't do as well on grass. I have no evidence to back it up, it's just a feeling that she won't be as effective.

hingisGOAT
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:04 AM
grass is made for one-dimensional ball bashers, i imagine safina would feel right at home

crazyroberto6767
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:13 AM
Not that it means a whole lot, but Dinara got to the finals of junior Wimby I'm pretty sure. She won a couple matches @ Wimbledon last year, before going down to Linds tamely. I don't think she'll be as good on grass as she is on clay or hard, but she won't be ineffective.

Gowza
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:18 AM
can't remember any of dinara's grass results, didn't she have a crack in her backbone during one wimbledon but still decided to play and lost love and love in the first match? would of been a couple of years ago. i think clay is dinara's best surface so she might not do quite as well on grass but it does suit her game with the big serve and big groundies, the points are shorter as well which i would think suits dinara.

RenaSlam.
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:26 AM
She won't do well this grass season. She's not as athletic as some of the other girls that hit much harder ie Venus, and even Sharapova.

iPatty
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:31 AM
grass is made for one-dimensional ball bashers, i imagine safina would feel right at home

Right. Because clay is obviously meant for mindless ball bashers as well, right? That's why Dinara did so well on clay.

:rolleyes:

UDACHi
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:44 AM
Dinara's not very good on grass.

MH0861
Jun 20th, 2006, 12:46 AM
She's an incredibly streaky player, so who knows.. I'd think her results will taper off a bit during the grass and get back on track during the hard court season.

switz
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Like Marat Dinara could have a good day on grass and push the best but she has pretty extreme grips on both sides, ordinary volleys, doesn't tend to have a middle level in her game.

She'll still probably beat most players ranked below her but i don't she her getting very far.

I think Peer isn't that bad on grass though - just a bad result against Dechy (who's game is suited to grass).

sfselesfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:32 AM
Dinara has a Davenport-like game: (1) hits hard and flat, (2) tall and thick build, (3) not the fastest mover, (4) loves balls that sit up, (5) consistent/hard serve.

Dinara needs to mature as a player in order to really play well on grass...like Lindsay did. She needs to get used to the bounce, learn how to move on the surface, and improve her net play.

Basically, I don't think she's got a natural grass-court game...but she'll get more and more dangerous on the surface as time passes. She could go the Davenport way...or end up with mediocre results similar to Pierce (another player she reminds me of).

SF

hingisGOAT
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:33 AM
Right. Because clay is obviously meant for mindless ball bashers as well, right? That's why Dinara did so well on clay.

:rolleyes:

well in a sharapova/safina 4th round encounter, one of them has to win i guess. notice, however, when she played kuznetsova, a player with some real clay skills, she only won 3 points in a set. in a slam quarterfinal!!

is that some type of record? the least competitive set ever played in a slam quarterfinal?

GracefulVenus
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:34 AM
I think she will be a contender...........into the quarters at least!

sfselesfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:36 AM
grass is made for one-dimensional ball bashers, i imagine safina would feel right at home

I think that's a very one-dimensional way to look at grass-court tennis. If this was the case, Seles would have certainly ruled Wimbledon over players like Graf, Navratilova, Hingis and Novotna?

SF

UDACHi
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:36 AM
well in a sharapova/safina 4th round encounter, one of them has to win i guess. notice, however, when she played kuznetsova, a player with some real clay skills, she only won 3 points in a set. in a slam quarterfinal!!

is that some type of record? the least competitive set ever played in a slam quarterfinal?

She also has wins over Clijsters, Dementieva, Kuznetsova on clay and assorted wins against big names on other surfaces.

hingisGOAT
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:44 AM
I think that's a very one-dimensional way to look at grass-court tennis. If this was the case, Seles would have certainly ruled Wimbledon over players like Graf, Navratilova, Hingis and Novotna?

SF

silly analogy.

1) seles' serve was no good
2) grass-court tennis wasn't always big babe ball bashing. being a competent net rusher or having a biting slice (graf, nav, hingis, novotna) are virtually useless traits on hard courts with oversized racquets, which, if you missed the memo, is how today's game is played. more girls were trained to play better grass-court tennis in seles' era than in today's era. grass in a novelty

switz
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:49 AM
Dinara has a Davenport-like game: (1) hits hard and flat, (2) tall and thick build, (3) not the fastest mover, (4) loves balls that sit up, (5) consistent/hard serve.



don't agree with really. Similar body types but Safina hits her forehand with far more topspin than Davenport and has much more extreme grips. Her first and second serve are not anywhere near Davenport's and her service motions won't really allow for much improvement in that because she's doesn't use her body at all, whereas Lindsay's is close to perfect. She also lacks the natural touch that Davenport has around the net.

The Pierce comparison is more accurate but even then i'd suggest Mary flatter game is more suited to grass.

sfselesfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:54 AM
silly analogy.

1) seles' serve was no good
2) grass-court tennis wasn't always big babe ball bashing. being a competent net rusher or having a biting slice (graf, nav, hingis, novotna) are virtually useless traits on hard courts with oversized racquets, which, if you missed the memo, is how today's game is played. more girls were trained to play better grass-court tennis in seles' era than in today's era. grass in a novelty

Seles had a great serve. At her peak she was one of the fastest servers in the top ten...not to mention she was a lefty!

Graf, Navratilova (1990), Hingis and Novotna all won Wimbledon well after the advent of oversized rackets.

SF

sfselesfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 01:57 AM
don't agree with really. Similar body types but Safina hits her forehand with far more topspin than Davenport and has much more extreme grips. Her first and second serve are not anywhere near Davenport's and her service motions won't really allow for much improvement in that because she's doesn't use her body at all, whereas Lindsay's is close to perfect. She also lacks the natural touch that Davenport has around the net.

The Pierce comparison is more accurate but even then i'd suggest Mary flatter game is more suited to grass.

Splitting hairs. Sure your points are valid...but the similarities exist. Safina is still young. If you read what I wrote you'd see that I said Safina needed to mature her net play still. Davenport didn't always have competent net play...she developed it over many years of playing doubles.

SF

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 20th, 2006, 02:32 AM
we'll see won't we:)

lilimi
Jun 20th, 2006, 07:40 AM
grass is made for one-dimensional ball bashers, i imagine safina would feel right at home
:cool: that's why sharpie won wimbledon!and why I'm afraid vaidisova will win :o :tape:
I don't consider safina as a one-dimensional ball basher! she has a complete game, she only needs to improve mentally ;) if she plays aggressively and is confident, she'll be great!plus, as rallies are shorter on grass, she'll have less problems of recovery after her efforts...but with safin family, who knows what will happen :lol: .

Princess Sarah.
Jun 20th, 2006, 07:55 AM
anything can happen for Dinara! I think she has a definite chance of at least getting to quarters, but she's got to believe in her self as i think it's her brain thats the issue and she is certainly not a one dimensional ball basher! She has the potential to do really well!