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Marcus1979
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Sorry if this has been asked before but what surface disadvantages the players with a weaker serve the most?

Aaron.
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:14 AM
I Have no idea maybe Hard?

SM
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:21 AM
clay, its slowed down and thehigh bounce makesit sit up in the hitting zone

Marcus1979
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:26 AM
Thanks Stevo :)

SzavayFi
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:27 AM
Either Grass or Rebound Ace cause those are Dementieva's worst slams :tape: Actually I dont know the official answer to that but Id think it would be a hard court :shrug:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:29 AM
I think grass. Since a weaker serve lacks speed, it gives the opponent a crucial second or 2 to hit a powerful return, leaving the player having to defend.

That's just my thinking ;)

JDLover
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:53 AM
My thinking has to be clay cause the ball sits up and its easier to hit, grass may tend to skid if server has a flat or has slice serves, its a shock the Dementieva has such a bad record at Wimbeldon, when I have seen live play hard and rebound ace really to me makes no difference to the serve so for me its clay

LoveFifteen
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:58 AM
I think it depends on the player. Also, it depends on what you think of as a weak serve. Some people just think of speed, but placement is actually vital, too.

venus_rulez
Jun 19th, 2006, 05:28 AM
For sure clay. I think it's part of the reason Venus has strugged so much at the French Open because the clay males her serve easier to read and therefore to return because it doesn't slide through the court like it does on a grass court or a U.S. Open like hard court.

LoveFifteen
Jun 19th, 2006, 05:33 AM
For sure clay. I think it's part of the reason Venus has strugged so much at the French Open because the clay males her serve easier to read and therefore to return because it doesn't slide through the court like it does on a grass court or a U.S. Open like hard court.

But that means clay mutes the advantage of a fast serve, not that clay is the worst surface for people with a weak serve.

venus_rulez
Jun 19th, 2006, 05:40 AM
But that means clay mutes the advantage of a fast serve, not that clay is the worst surface for people with a weak serve.


I guess I was going on the principle that if it mutes a fairly good server's capabilities, it probably doesn't do much or hinders someone who already isn't so good to begin with.

Corswandt
Jun 19th, 2006, 02:13 PM
clay, its slowed down and thehigh bounce makesit sit up in the hitting zone

Yup.

Clay makes weak second serves much easier to blast away.

Viktymise
Jun 19th, 2006, 02:20 PM
I think you could make arguments for both clay and grass, on clay the serve is slowed down much more and it gives opponents more time to blast a winner, but the shot will also be slowed down giving the player with the bad serve a better chance of returning it. On grass the serve will be sped up more but if the opponent gets a big retur it will be much harder to get the return back which is why LenaD has trouble on grass because she relys more on her defence which is very effectivley used on clay but not as effective on grass. I give a slight edge to grass as the worst for slow servers but its pretty close

tennisbuddy12
Jun 19th, 2006, 03:34 PM
I have a weak serve..1 match i served 19 df's....i play USTA tourneys on hard and clay and hardcourts i feel are more difficult....but on clay i usually defend more...it depends on the play...ive cut my df's in half and i still have more growing to do..im only 14 so yeah.

sfselesfan
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Clay is the best surface for weak servers, because it equalizes the serves more...just like it's better for players who don't have the most powerful groundstrokes.

Grass is the worst surface for players with a weak service. When was the last time you say a player with a weak serve in the finals of Wimbledon? Hingis...and her serve was not bad at the time.

SF

PatrickRyan
Jun 20th, 2006, 03:56 AM
grass

Prizeidiot
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:38 AM
I'd say grass.

Clay is a leveller. You push the serve in and the opponent can tee off, but if you retrieve the return and push it back deep it's 50/50 from there. Same thing when you're returning a big serve, push it in deep then play from there.

On grass however, the grass doesn't help that much if you serve like a powder puff, your opponent can take just as big a swing as on clay. And you won't be able to recover. And it's a heck of a lot harder to break back, which is what someone like Dementieva relies on.

louisa2k2
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:44 AM
clay. roland garros is the only GS marti hasnt won.

bobcat
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:08 AM
I think it depends what kind of serve you have. Venus' sliced 2nd serve is really helped on the grass, but is a liability on clay. Players who just spin their first serve in are hurt on grass because they don't get any free points.