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mboyle
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:01 PM
I really hope not, but Maria keeps losing to players she should beat and normally beats. This is not like her, and she screamed at her Dad, and I don't know...it just seems that her career might be over:sad: . I mean, Jamea Jackson on grass? That should be a 6-0; 6-2 victory, and would have been the last two years.

Williams-forever
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Omg, maria loses one match on a bad day, and suddenly people thinks her career is over... :rolleyes:

WorldWar24
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Yuri is over the top but he seems to realize what's best for Maria. Damir is psychotic. He did such nasty things to Jelena, Yuri would never do that. Jelena said she can't even have a conversation with Damir coz they can't agree on anything. Seriously those two parents don't even compare

tenn_ace
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:11 PM
I really hope not, but Maria keeps losing to players she should beat and normally beats. This is not like her, and she screamed at her Dad, and I don't know...it just seems that her career might be over:sad: . I mean, Jamea Jackson on grass? That should be a 6-0; 6-2 victory, and would have been the last two years.


let me see:

she lost to Svetlana in Miami - what a shame
she lost to Dinara in Paris - how could she???? on clay of all the surfaces!!!!!

:rolleyes:

charmedRic
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:12 PM
ditto.

TeaMMashA
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Dude your over reacting shes 19 years of age, shows she is expected of great things if she has one bad loss in her career and all of a sudden a possible multi winning slam career is over!

Infiniti2001
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:16 PM
let me see:

she lost to Svetlana in Miami - what a shame
she lost to Dinara in Paris - how could she???? on clay of all the surfaces!!!!!

:rolleyes:

Ya know :lol: Anyway, Jamea has a decent grass game. Last year even though she couldn't beat Lindsay in the 2nd rd, she gave her a minor headache by prolonging the points. She doesn't give up which is why I think she got the better of Maria :shrug: Give her her props for crying out loud :rolleyes:

tenn_ace
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:16 PM
Dude your over reacting shes 19 years of age, shows she is expected of great things if she has one bad loss in her career and all of a sudden a possible multi winning slam career is over!

well her loss to Jamea wasn't that bad. Maria had worse ones (like to Linzi), but I bet there will be more... Because it's impossible to go through career without them. The best of the tennis bests had them.

tenn_ace
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM
Ya know :lol: Anyway, Jamea has a decent grass game. Last year even though she couldn't beat Lindsay in the 2nd rd, she gave her a minor headache by prolonging the points. She doesn't give up which is why I think she got the better of Maria :shrug: Give her her props for crying out loud :rolleyes:


exactly... he sounded like Maria just lost to a USTA player who got a WC into the tournament :lol:

The_Pov
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:26 PM
I really hope not, but Maria keeps losing to players she should beat and normally beats. This is not like her, and she screamed at her Dad, and I don't know...it just seems that her career might be over:sad: . I mean, Jamea Jackson on grass? That should be a 6-0; 6-2 victory, and would have been the last two years.

Oh I know exactly what you mean all 6 off her losses this year (yes you may think your eyes are decieving you but yes she has lost 6 whole times, it really is that many) have been to player she should be able to beat.

How on earth did she lose to Justine? (twice as well to someone ranked as low as Justine)
And then to Hingis, how could she lose to a player that will amount to nothing.
Lets not forget Svetlana - what has she done this year?

[end sarcasm]

Maria has one bad loss and people act like she could pack this whole tennis lark in. you'd think by people's reactions that she's not won a match all year and the players that have beaten her where ranked 100 (or so) places below her.

TeaMMashA
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:33 PM
well her loss to Jamea wasn't that bad. Maria had worse ones (like to Linzi), but I bet there will be more... Because it's impossible to go through career without them. The best of the tennis bests had them.

I know thats what i was saying

FedExpress
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:36 PM
:smash:

VS Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Well, Maria fans have a right to some concern, just as Serena fans did with her under achieving after US Open 1999. Her next major was in 2002, but she did pretty well for about a year and a half after that.

Fact is that many players now KNOW her game better and are able to defend better.
Maria needs to add more variety to her game, like Serena did in those less productive years.

Maria has the talent to win more majors and I suspect that she will as her game improves.

furrykitten
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:38 PM
The thread starter is having a laugh! :rolleyes:

Sally Struthers
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:40 PM
I often wonder if she's going to turn out to be a one slam wonder like Iva Majoli or Sabatini

UDACHi
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:41 PM
She loses to an in form player and tells her dad to shut up and you think she'll be taking WCs into Wimbledon qualifiers soon?

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 06:51 PM
To my mind she lost cause she underrated her,like she did with Hingis at Tokyo this year..But next time it would be different. She is still a favorite at Wimbledon,useless to compare her to jelena,it's nonsense

FedExpress
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:02 PM
To my mind she lost cause she underrated her,like she did with Hingis at Tokyo this year..But next time it would be different. She is still a favorite at Wimbledon,useless to compare her to jelena,it's nonsense

I don't think that she underrated a former #1.

Aaron.
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Of Course Not WTF? Maria has a few bad losses a year thats it! shes beaten Hingis (twice) Davenport Nadia Petrova Elena Dementieva and made the Final of Dubai SF at Australian Open won Indian Wells and made finalst of Miami she is still in the Top 5

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Omg, maria loses one match on a bad day, and suddenly people thinks her career is over... :rolleyes:


agree:) and your avatar:kiss:

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:29 PM
I don't think that she underrated a former #1.
You're wrong,she might did that. It's said Martina retired cause she couldn't rivalise with powerful player like the Williamses,Jen Cap etc. So Maria,who is the harddest hitter of the Tour,might thought it would has been an easy victory considering the fact that they played at Tokyo,where the surface is extremly quick...Personally,If many people thought that,she also did but she didn't admitt it to peole are herself ;)

FedExpress
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:31 PM
You're wrong,she might did that. It's said Martina retired cause she couldn't rivalise with powerful player like the Williamses,Jen Cap etc. So Maria,who is the harddest hitter of the Tour,might thought it would has been an easy victory considering the fact that they played at Tokyo,where the surface is extremly quick...Personally,If many people thought that,she also did but she didn't admitt it to peole are herself ;)

Ah okay. I didn't get it first... Just forget what I said ;)

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:34 PM
Ah okay. I didn't get it first... Just forget what I said ;)
No problem,everybody makes mistake, and it's definitelly classy to admitt it :yeah:

IceHock
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:34 PM
ok this is the first loss that i recall that maria was beat by a person ranked significantly lower than her,her first one in like 2 years.the last one i recall was losing to washington at pilot pen.so somehow after one loss she is just gunna go down???then you don't know maria sharapova,she never gives up and never will,she's a fighter.

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:39 PM
ok this is the first loss that i recall that maria was beat by a person ranked significantly lower than her,her first one in like 2 years.the last one i recall was losing to washington at pilot pen.so somehow after one loss she is just gunna go down???then you don't know maria sharapova,she never gives up and never will,she's a fighter.
No comparisons possible to my mind,two totally different situations

At New Haven,Maria struggled to get used to her new status. She won Wimbly by surprise,all eyes were on her,she has to prove something you know.

Now,she confirmed and is not supposed at all to lose against this kind of player. The situation and her status are not as mystherious as they were at New Haven 2004

furrykitten
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I think Maria needs to refocus on tennis but every player suffers a bad loss sometimes, if it becomes a pattern then we can worry as others have said.

IceHock
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:45 PM
No comparisons possible to my mind,two totally different situations

At New Haven,Maria struggled to get used to her new status. She won Wimbly by surprise,all eyes were on her,she has to prove something you know.

Now,she confirmed and is not supposed at all to lose against this kind of player. The situation and her status are not as mystherious as they were at New Haven 2004


it's still only one little loss that doesn't really mean anything.she knows she has the game to do well on grass,she just didn't bring it against jackson and jackson played really well.and she had the whole summer to get used to her new status,new haven was a week before the uso,and she had about 2 or 3 tourneys before hand.i actually think the pierce loss at the uso was due to the wimbledon win,alot of pressure on her.

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:49 PM
it's still only one little loss that doesn't really mean anything.she knows she has the game to do well on grass,she just didn't bring it against jackson and jackson played really well.and she had the whole summer to get used to her new status,new haven was a week before the uso,and she had about 2 or 3 tourneys before hand.i actually think the pierce loss at the uso was due to the wimbledon win,alot of pressure on her.
Totally agreed ;)

watchdogfish
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I really hope not, but Maria keeps losing to players she should beat and normally beats. This is not like her, and she screamed at her Dad, and I don't know...it just seems that her career might be over:sad: . I mean, Jamea Jackson on grass? That should be a 6-0; 6-2 victory, and would have been the last two years.


This seems a little extreme. Maybe if she had been stuck on a string of 1st and 2nd round losses it would be a cause for concern, but she lost in the semis to an opponent playing inspired tennis. Ok, so Maria has only won only Tier Is and a YEC since her Wimbledon title but to think that her career is finishing is a bit crazy! Let's not forget she's consistently got to the latter stages of tournaments. Her 4th round loss at Roland Garros was her worst slam result since the 2004 US Open (and reaching the last 16, especially missing the mainstream clay court season, is not a bad run). The last time she failed to reach at least the quarters of a main tour event was in New Haven back in August 2004, that's almost 2 years ago.

Having said I think in order to break through the quarters and semis, at slams especially, Maria needs to add more variety to her game and improve her footwork. She still looks very uncomfortable when her A-game isn't working and this isn't good enough when up against a player like Mauresmo, Henin-Hardenne or Clijsters who usually find a Plan B when their Plan A isn't working. But, hey, (as much as I hate this excuse!) she still has plenty of time to work on this.

Yes Sharapova hasn't had as many Tier I and Grand Slam wins as perhaps the media and fans would like, but her career definitely isn't over yet!

Steffica Greles
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:21 PM
I really hope not, but Maria keeps losing to players she should beat and normally beats. This is not like her, and she screamed at her Dad, and I don't know...it just seems that her career might be over:sad: . I mean, Jamea Jackson on grass? That should be a 6-0; 6-2 victory, and would have been the last two years.

I think Maria has already achieved more than Jelena did.

Having said all that, I do think that her game has hit a plateau, but she started going sideways midway through last year -- nothing has changed. She's just not as great as everybody thought she was. Comparing her with Vaidisova, I think she's ordinary, and when Nicole blossoms, with that athletic figure and superior service action of hers (compared with Sharapova's gangly frame and hit-or-miss serve) people will have more modest expectations of Maria.

furrykitten
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Maria's service action is beautiful!

Pureracket
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:02 PM
Well, I don't necessarily think that this is a death knell to Maria Sharapova's career, but it does let us know that her contemporaries like J.Jackson and D. Safina are not going to wait around for her to develop her game.

msharafan
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:18 PM
maria is having a bad run coming off an injury give the girl a break!

TomTennis
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:44 PM
cmon man. Im not big fan of her but give the girl a break. She is still so young.

Look at Serena. She won her first major at 18 and then waited 3 years for another one. Im not saying Maria will get more/equal/less than that but im sure she has another one in her. Just give her time to progress.

Gowza
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:47 PM
it's not such a bad loss at least it wasn't love and love like against davenport, would you rather this loss to have come at wimbledon? this loss might motivate her more for wimbledon, i definately think this loss is to maria's advantage in terms of wimbledon in a couple of weeks. this should make her work harder and concentrate more for wimbledon.

Jeff
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:53 PM
Well Yuri is no Damier that's for sure, but he has turned his daughter into a tennis machine. I wouldn't be surprised if she is burnt out within the next four years.

spencercarlos
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:56 PM
I often wonder if she's going to turn out to be a one slam wonder like Iva Majoli or Sabatini
Majoli and Sabatini on the same sentence is just plain ridiculous.
Read what these two players did on their carreerīs first and then put them on the same sentence, because the only thing in common they have is the lone GS win, apart from that Gaby showed she is better from the rest, compared to almost the one slam wonders.

And.. NO Maria will bounce back soon, she is a great competitor and champion.

Piotr'ek
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:59 PM
I wonder why ppl want to answer this pathetic thread :yawn:

faboozadoo15
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:59 PM
well this is a terrible loss on a lot of levels, but i think it will make maria more hungry once she gets to wimbledon. she really does have something to prove now. since indian wells, she's played some REALLY shitty matches. i am starting to become concerned, but hey, a loss is a loss.

hdfb
Jun 18th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Omg, maria loses one match on a bad day, and suddenly people thinks her career is over... :rolleyes:

I know. :rolleyes:

I think it'd take much much worse than ONE loss before you even mention the name Jelena Dokic. :o

Aaron.
Jun 19th, 2006, 12:15 AM
I wonder why ppl want to answer this pathetic thread :yawn: This is a stupid thread it should get a award i dont know why i posted i was bored (im always bored)

Sally Struthers
Jun 19th, 2006, 12:31 AM
Majoli and Sabatini on the same sentence is just plain ridiculous.
Read what these two players did on their carreerīs first and then put them on the same sentence, because the only thing in common they have is the lone GS win, apart from that Gaby showed she is better from the rest, compared to almost the one slam wonders.

And.. NO Maria will bounce back soon, she is a great competitor and champion.

Hon, I've been watching tennis since before you were born. Don't go lecturing me about such things :o :fiery:

ezekiel
Jun 19th, 2006, 12:36 AM
she'd have to fall of the face of the earth to be compared to dokic :rolleyes:
Can we get some realistic talk around here for a change ?

Junex
Jun 19th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Majoli and Sabatini on the same sentence is just plain ridiculous.
Read what these two players did on their carreerīs first and then put them on the same sentence, because the only thing in common they have is the lone GS win, apart from that Gaby showed she is better from the rest, compared to almost the one slam wonders.

And.. NO Maria will bounce back soon, she is a great competitor and champion.


How about Sabatini & Novotna?..... :devil:

spencercarlos
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:36 AM
How about Sabatini & Novotna?..... :devil:
Jana indeed is worth having beside Gabyīs name :angel:

Back to being serious, Majoli was only a couple of years among the gameīs best players, Gaby for example lived in the top ten for a little more than 10 straight years, Majoliīs peak period was very short lived, and she not only had less important wins over the best players, but also won fewer events, Tier I, Masters, Tier II in comparisson to Gaby. GS record speak for themselves, i mean this is not even a discussion. :devil:

switz
Jun 19th, 2006, 06:11 AM
thread starter is obviously just petty little "fan" but at the same time it's foolish to just write off this loss as having no significance. Sharapova does need to step her game up a level and find new ways to construct and finish points if she's to win a lot more slams.

VeeDaQueen
Jun 19th, 2006, 07:08 AM
Well, Maria fans have a right to some concern, just as Serena fans did with her under achieving after US Open 1999. Her next major was in 2002, but she did pretty well for about a year and a half after that.

i have to disagree. serena did pretty damn well until February 2005.