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Sam L
Jun 16th, 2006, 01:53 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.

Williamsser
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Allez!

Viktymise
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Eh Vee and Hingis are still above her, plus she has got a way to go, vee got to 4 straight slam finals something henin never achieved so far as did hingis so right now she is the 4th most accomplished player out there only and if Justine gets Wimbledon and another slam that wont be it Serena would still be considered greater because she won 4 in a row

Carmen Mairena
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:05 PM
If her body can hold all the stress and injuries, I agree with you! :yeah:

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:13 PM
1. Serena ( 7 slams and 2 other finals)
2. Martina ( 5 slams and 7 other finals)
3. Venus ( 5 slams and 6 other finals)
4. Justine ( 5 slams and 2 other finals)

that's enought to prove the point but even if you look at other grand slam performances, the other 3 have a lot more QF and SF's

Case closed :yeah:

Viktymise
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:16 PM
1. Serena ( 7 slams and 2 other finals)
2. Martina ( 5 slams and 7 other finals)
3. Venus ( 5 slams and 6 other finals)
4. Justine ( 5 slams and 1 other final)

that's enought to prove the point but even if you look at other grand slam performances, the other 3 have a lot more QF and SF's

Case closed :yeah:
Well said :)

Allez-H
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:17 PM
5 Slams and two finals actually

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:19 PM
whoops my bad, still doesn't change anything in my perspective

Sam L
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:24 PM
I'm talking about this decade.. meaning starting from 2001... 2000 if you really want it.

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:26 PM
ok so that would eliminate most of Martina's slam

making her third :)

vejh
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:38 PM
JHH also has amuch better batting average than Hingis and Venus **. Gosh, to be winning less than 50% of slam finals entered, not too good for one of the greatest ever. Serena's stat is mighty impressive.

JHH is a slow starter (and has rarely if ever played a full season, or even close to it), so she could make some more noise in the future if she playes more and remains healthy. It's hard to believe, but Serena is just ~ 1yr older than Henin. We'll see what these two have to offer in the future.

Serena has time to come back and win more slams (she has proven she just needs a year and a half to win 4.lol)

** Because she lost 5 of these to Serena (2 Wimby's, one USO, one FO, one AO). I am not sure if this is for the better or worse.

No.1Hingis
Jun 16th, 2006, 02:58 PM
I cant see that at time... maybe time will decide.. Everything can happen.. Venus, Martina, Justine, Serena.. some russian girls... who knows.. whoever be.. the fight gonna turn great in next years with this girls..

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:15 PM
[b]The player ahead of her is Serena.[/i] But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.


H2H
Venus ...7 _____Justine...1

Billabong
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:20 PM
H2H
Venus ...7 _____Justine...1

:lol::yeah:

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:36 PM
JHH also has amuch better batting average than Hingis and Venus **. Gosh, to be winning less than 50% of slam finals entered, not too good for one of the greatest ever. Serena's stat is mighty impressive.

JHH is a slow starter (and has rarely if ever played a full season, or even close to it), so she could make some more noise in the future if she playes more and remains healthy. It's hard to believe, but Serena is just ~ 1yr older than Henin. We'll see what these two have to offer in the future.

Serena has time to come back and win more slams (she has proven she just needs a year and a half to win 4.lol)

** Because she lost 5 of these to Serena (2 Wimby's, one USO, one FO, one AO). I am not sure if this is for the better or worse.
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That final winning % means nothing. She's played about 500 matches
in her career. Over a hundred more than Serena and a few less than
Venus. That, and the fact that she played in fewer finals than the
others tell us that she wasn't good enough to make it to more finals.
And I'm sure Venus, Serena, And Hingis were responsible for some of
That.

Also Venus and Serena have never ever played a full season. For a
while they would even Alternate events so they wouldn't have to
play each other.

And while Venus lost 5 finals to Serena, No one else, including Henin
could beat her. Henin played in most of those slams too.

VivalaSeles
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:39 PM
H2H
Venus ...7 _____Justine...1

When did they last play? How many Slams did Juju have when they last played?

jenglisbe
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:42 PM
JHH also has amuch better batting average than Hingis and Venus **. Gosh, to be winning less than 50% of slam finals entered, not too good for one of the greatest ever. Serena's stat is mighty impressive.
The winning % means something, but so does the fact that Venus and Hingis even got to that many finals. Justine has more 1st and 2nd round losses this decade than they do. If you were a player, would you rather be 5-2 or 5-6? I would think the latter.

selyoink
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM
I actually think I'd probably prefer to be 5-2 because if you are 5-6 in the finals I think you would rue the fact that you could have so many more slams.

But either way I wouldn't be too disappointed in myself either way.

Mattographer
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:52 PM
I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.
IYSO :retard:

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:54 PM
When did they last play? How many Slams did Juju have when they last played?


The Thread says this Decade. They first played in 2001. So all of their
matches were this decade.

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:55 PM
I think the question is - could SamL become the biggest fucktard of the decade? :scratch:

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:55 PM
I actually think I'd probably prefer to be 5-2 because if you are 5-6 in the finals I think you would rue the fact that you could have so many more slams.

But either way I wouldn't be too disappointed in myself either way.


But you'd have a lot more $$ in your pocket.

felipe2004
Jun 16th, 2006, 03:55 PM
So, from 2000 on (this decade, as the title says), the best player (in order, in my opinion) so far were these: :wavey:

Serena Williams:
7 slam wins, 2 slam finals
57 weeks as number 1

Justine Henin-Hardenne:
5 slam wins, 2 slam finals
45 weeks as number 1

Venus Williams:
5 slam wins, 5 slam finals
11 weeks as number 1

Jennifer Capriati:
3 slam wins, 0 slam finals
17 weeks as number 1

Lindsay Davenport
1 slam win, 4 slam finals
76 weeks as number 1

Martina Hingis:
0 slams wins, 3 slam finals
87 weeks as number 1

Viktymise
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:00 PM
So, from 2000 on (this decade, as the title says), the best player (in order, in my opinion) so far were these: :wavey:

Serena Williams:
7 slam wins, 2 slam finals
57 weeks as number 1

Justine Henin-Hardenne:
5 slam wins, 2 slam finals
45 weeks as number 1

Venus Williams:
5 slam wins, 5 slam finals
11 weeks as number 1

Lindsay Davenport
1 slam win, 4 slam finals
76 weeks as number 1

Martina Hingis:
0 slams wins, 3 slam finals
87 weeks as number 1
Just because Justine was longer at number 1 doesnt make her better then vee we all know vee was the best player in 00 and 01 but didnt play a complete schedual which is why she wasnt no1 and in 02 Serena peaked at the same time and was hungrier than Vee which is why she was above her in the ranks but vee at the time was the undoubted no2, weeks at no1 dont mean anything, so would you just because Mauresmo has stayed at number 1 longer that Vee and Capriati she is better, no so you cant just go on weeks at number 1 because the time justine was number 1 was a different time to when Vee was number 1, plus frm 2000 onward J Cap should be above Hingis with 3 slams

Kenny
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:01 PM
hAH!

dreamgoddess099
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:06 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.
Funny, I could have sworn she's entered two summer tournies, and plans to play the USOpen. But I guess those tournaments have nothing to do with tennis.


If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.
You make it sound so easy considering she hasn't made the finals of Wimbledon for the past 5 years.


I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again. Ok, so you can see someone coming off a 3 year break eventually winning slams again, but not someone coming back from a 6 month break? Where's the logic in that? Besides, Serena has been off tour longer than this an still made 2 of 4 slam finals she played when she got back.

pigam
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:07 PM
oh nooooooooooo! not another one of these threads!!!
who is greater justine, venus or hingis???

SERENAAAAAAAAA is the greatest!!!!!

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:09 PM
So, from 2000 on (this decade, as the title says), the best player (in order, in my opinion) so far were these: :wavey:

Serena Williams:
7 slam wins, 2 slam finals
57 weeks as number 1

Justine Henin-Hardenne:
5 slam wins, 2 slam finals
45 weeks as number 1

Venus Williams:
5 slam wins, 5 slam finals
11 weeks as number 1

Lindsay Davenport
1 slam win, 4 slam finals
76 weeks as number 1

Martina Hingis:
0 slams wins, 3 slam finals
87 weeks as number 1


So now JuJu fans come up with weeks at No1 to try and push her ahead.
That is also irrelevant.
Why can't you people resign your self to the fact that she will never
be ahead of Venus until she Corrects the 1-7 H2H. Its always going
to be looming over her head.
You can't be better than someone by twisting Numbers and Stats.
You have to beat them on the court.

And so far on the court, this Decade, there is no comparison.

The Crow
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Just because Justine was longer at number 1 doesnt make her better then vee we all know vee was the best player in 00 and 01 but didnt play a complete schedual which is why she wasnt no1 and in 02 Serena peaked at the same time and was hungrier than Vee which is why she was above her in the ranks but vee at the time was the undoubted no2, weeks at no1 dont mean anything, so would you just because Mauresmo has stayed at number 1 longer that Vee and Capriati she is better, no so you cant just go on weeks at number 1 because the time justine was number 1 was a different time to when Vee was number 1, plus frm 2000 onward J Cap should be above Hingis with 3 slams

I'm not going to judge whether Justine or Venus is the better player (why is this so important all of a sudden anyway: it's popping up in almost every thread nowadays :confused: ), but 2 remarks: 1) 10-20 years from now, people are going to look at how many weeks someone has been number 1, whether you like it or not and 2) 'undoubted no.2' does not count, not if you are talking about 'the best of this decade' (a similar thing goes for Justine though -> having losing H2H to Serena and Venus is a min, that's for sure)

IMO Serena will be remembered as the best of this decade/generation and that's that.

Neptune
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:11 PM
For me,the best player since the last ten years ago is Serena,but Justine could pass Serena easily if she continue like that. But,Serena outclass the circuit in her time,not Henin.

zabou1
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Allez Juju!!!

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I'm not going to judge whether Justine or Venus is the better player (why is this so important all of a sudden anyway: it's popping up in almost every thread nowadays :confused: ), but 2 remarks: 1) 10-20 years from now, people are going to look at how many weeks someone has been number 1, whether you like it or not and 2) 'undoubted no.2' does not count, not if you are talking about 'the best of this decade' (a similar thing goes for Justine though -> having losing H2H to Serena and Venus is a min, that's for sure)

IMO Serena will be remembered as the best of this decade/generation and that's that.


But people also look at titles and grand slams, which favors Venus heavily :kiss:

Mattographer
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:14 PM
I think the question is - could SamL become the biggest fucktard of the decade? :scratch:
I know, right! :lol: IYSO = In your stupid opinion ;)

The Crow
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:18 PM
So Venus has 3 more GS finals? Is this 'favoring heavily'? And I don't know about titles to be honest...

And anyway I'm not even saying Justine has surpassed Venus. From all the discussions on this board, I conclude they are about level ;)

Callystarr
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:18 PM
So, from 2000 on (this decade, as the title says), the best player (in order, in my opinion) so far were these: :wavey:

Serena Williams:
7 slam wins, 2 slam finals
57 weeks as number 1

Justine Henin-Hardenne:
5 slam wins, 2 slam finals
45 weeks as number 1

Venus Williams:
5 slam wins, 5 slam finals
11 weeks as number 1

Lindsay Davenport
1 slam win, 4 slam finals
76 weeks as number 1

Martina Hingis:
0 slams wins, 3 slam finals
87 weeks as number 1

Weeks @ #1 really mean nothing to me. Especially when it comes to Venus/Serena, they have NEVER played a full tour schedule (17 tournaments) it is typical of them to average only 10-14 tournaments a year..while players like Davenport/Hingis/ would easily average 17-25 tournaments....

felipe2004
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:19 PM
weeks as number 1 definatly count a lot, i think obviosly not more than slams wins, but it does say who was consistantly best during more time.
BTW, I've added Capriati to my previous list there.

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:21 PM
well it's not ALL about majors and major finals. titles are also important too.

juju- 24
serena- 26
venus- 33
hingis- 41


justine has a ways to go before her legacy is bigger than all of these gals'. it's totally doable though. she would need to win wimbledon some year though.

Viktymise
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:23 PM
I'm not going to judge whether Justine or Venus is the better player (why is this so important all of a sudden anyway: it's popping up in almost every thread nowadays :confused: ), but 2 remarks: 1) 10-20 years from now, people are going to look at how many weeks someone has been number 1, whether you like it or not and 2) 'undoubted no.2' does not count, not if you are talking about 'the best of this decade' (a similar thing goes for Justine though -> having losing H2H to Serena and Venus is a min, that's for sure)

IMO Serena will be remembered as the best of this decade/generation and that's that.
So are you saying in like 20 yrs time ppl will remember JHH as better than vee just because she was longer at no1, it wont happen, vee and serena will both remembered for being the best of their generation i dont think it will be just Serena

Paialii
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:23 PM
I think Serena Williams will go on to be remembered more and referred to more than Justine Henin-Hardenne, and in more ways than one. It's quite obvious how both Williams sisters evolved the game and took it to a new level when it came to athleticism. Whether Justine wins more slams than Serena in the end or not, I think Serena Williams will be known to be the better player, but will be known as the player that was stopped from reaching her potential by chronic injuries.

And I just wanted to comment on your quote on Serena that read "But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore." Heh. Is that why she's been training at Bollettieri's academy and spoken out to say that she's on course to return in about a month? Looks like she has plenty of motivation to me. :)

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:25 PM
So are you saying in like 20 yrs time ppl will remember JHH as better than vee just because she was longer at no1, it wont happen, vee and serena will both remembered for being the best of their generation i dont think it will be just Serena
:bigclap:

Venus and Serena will be remembered wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than JuJu ever will be. Just a matter of fact :shrug:

redrubylips
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:26 PM
I would love to taken any of their greatest!All of these ladie"s are GREATTTTTTTTTT.

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:33 PM
So Venus has 3 more GS finals? Is this 'favoring heavily'? And I don't know about titles to be honest...

And anyway I'm not even saying Justine has surpassed Venus. From all the discussions on this board, I conclude they are about level ;)


"Favoring heavily"

Titles Venus...33________Henin...24

Crazy Canuck
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Not that I necessarily agree with the thread starter, but it seems some of you seriously struggle with the meaning of the word "could".

The Crow
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Oh yeah indeed Venus will probably be remembered more than Justine. I haven't said she wouldn't have I? I just said that number of weeks at number 1 will also be a factor in 10 years, even more than now, cause then no-one's gonna know anymore why Venus was only 11 weeks at number 1.

And now I'm gonna stop in this whole Venus-Justine-blabla madness, cause I actually love both of them and I'm just sad that it's just too long ago that these two played against eachother :sad:

Il Primo!
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:37 PM
So, from 2000 on (this decade, as the title says), the best player (in order, in my opinion) so far were these: :wavey:

Serena Williams:
7 slam wins, 2 slam finals
57 weeks as number 1

Justine Henin-Hardenne:
5 slam wins, 2 slam finals
45 weeks as number 1

Venus Williams:
5 slam wins, 5 slam finals
11 weeks as number 1

Jennifer Capriati:
3 slam wins, 0 slam finals
17 weeks as number 1

Lindsay Davenport
1 slam win, 4 slam finals
76 weeks as number 1

Martina Hingis:
0 slams wins, 3 slam finals
87 weeks as number 1

The numbers of weeks at the number one spot just means nothing. Look at Momo for instance :rolleyes: It seems you like stats,so enjoy,I know a very eloquent one

RANKING IN 2000
1 (1) HINGIS, MARTINA SUI 6044.00 points in 20 tourneys
2 (2) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY USA 5021.00 points in 18 tourneys
3 (3) WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 3694.00 points in 9 tourneys

Just to say that we can dominate without beeing number one and being number one without dominating. So just forget your fancy stat

Sanneriet
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Not that I necessarily agree with the thread starter, but it seems some of you seriously struggle with the meaning of the word "could".


:worship:

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:43 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.


What do you mean Serena won't be returning to Tennis
You haven't heard. Serena has committed to Cincy and the Acura
in the very near future.

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Not that I necessarily agree with the thread starter, but it seems some of you seriously struggle with the meaning of the word "could".


If He had left it at COULD I would have no problem. But he qualified
the Statement with " The Only player ahead of her is Serena "

Thats wherein the Problem Lies.

Martian KC
Jun 16th, 2006, 04:51 PM
:bigclap:

Venus and Serena will be remembered wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than JuJu ever will be. Just a matter of fact :shrug:

As controversial as Justine has been, I doubt that very much. We still are gettng talks about RG03 here in what seems to be every God forsaken week. :lol: ;)

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 16th, 2006, 05:00 PM
No point speculating and hoping. Just wait and see... we become the witnesses of the future ;)

VivalaSeles
Jun 16th, 2006, 05:02 PM
The Thread says this Decade. They first played in 2001. So all of their
matches were this decade.

Of course. But that wasn't why I asked the question. All of those 8 matches took place when Justine was still the talented-choking Hénin and not the Boss she is today.

per4ever
Jun 16th, 2006, 05:20 PM
H2H
Venus ...7 _____Justine...1

Federer has a onesided h2h with Nadal as well.. but I still consider Federer as a much better player..

Tennisaddict
Jun 16th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Justine could become the greatest player of this decade but it would always be with a big IF attached to it. The only player of this decade who was supremely the best with a lot of distance is Serena Williams and she well could be again if everything works out physically for her. I hope it will. Because as much Henin is a top player she just isn't the dominant best player to me, and IMO is still behind Hingis and Venus. Justine has always seemed the third best player in the world to me.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:01 PM
If He had left it at COULD I would have no problem. But he qualified
the Statement with " The Only player ahead of her is Serena "

Thats wherein the Problem Lies.
That's wherin the problem lies for you. I'm not so sure about everybody else :p

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Federer has a onesided h2h with Nadal as well.. but I still consider Federer as a much better player..


Why? He wins on Dirt. Blake beat him on Hardcourt.

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:10 PM
That's wherin the problem lies for you. I'm not so sure about everybody else :p


Of course, everybody else = Henin fans mostly

turt
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:23 PM
well it's not ALL about majors and major finals. titles are also important too.

juju- 24
serena- 26
venus- 33
hingis- 41


justine has a ways to go before her legacy is bigger than all of these gals'. it's totally doable though. she would need to win wimbledon some year though.
Justine is also the youngest player of your list, and she's definitely a serious contender to add at least 10-15 other tournaments... Did you know that she has won 20 tournaments since... February 2003! :eek:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:31 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.

WRONG: Serena Williams will be returning to tennis FULL TIME at the tier 3 in Cinci in 4 weeks aswell as the tier 2 Stanford Tourney the week after. :bounce:

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Justine is also the youngest player of your list, and she's definitely a serious contender to add at least 10-15 other tournaments... Did you know that she has won 20 tournaments since... February 2003! :eek:


I also think the Sisters and Hingis are still playing too. And She's not
that much younger.

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Of course. But that wasn't why I asked the question. All of those 8 matches took place when Justine was still the talented-choking Hénin and not the Boss she is today.


Boss? She won the Dirt Ball Slam. Thats 1
She Didn't boss anyone at Wimby last year, she went out in the 1st rd,
4th round at the USO, and whimped out in the AO final this year.

As for their H2H they haven't played lately. The last couple of years
Venus has been out a lot with injury. But, So has Henin Her
mysterious Virus and some other injury that she took time off for.

Still Venus has beaten her 6 in a row. If She is so Great now then
it shouldn't be a problem for her to come back and even that H2H
in no time.

Justeenium
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Justine has 26 titles, not 24.

turt
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:30 PM
Justine is not the boss? How do you call a player winning 20 tournaments in the last 3 years, including 5 Grand Slams, 9 Tier I's and 6 Tier 2's?

And yes, I do believe Justine can reverse her H2H against Venus, if they play against each other...
Justine pre-2003 only ever had problems with 5 players: Lindsay, Kim, Monica, Venus and Serena.
At some point in 2003, she became a new and improved player, and reversed her H2H with Lindsay (from 0-5 to 5-5) and with Kim (from 4-7 to 10-10). In 2003, she also won 2 of the 3 matches against Serena (she was 1-4 before) and her 2 matches against Monica (she was 1-4 before). The only other player that had her number in the pre-2003 period was Venus, but unfortunately they didn't play each other since January 2003 so she didn't have the opportunity to reverse the h2h! But Considering how she could do it for the 4 other players she used to struggle against, I can't see why she wouldn't be able to do it against Venus!

Justine is definitely the best player of the last 3 years, even with all her illness and injuries in that period! Nobody can deny it!

Veenut
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:43 PM
The fact is Justine doesn't relish the opportunity to play either Venus or Serena. The less she plays either the more her chances increase to win.

The weeks at #1 is way over-rated especially in women's tennis. It has lost its prestige because we all know that lately #1 doesn't coincide with quality anymore but quantity. In any case history doesn't put much emphasis on rankings because there were many great players before rankings and the main purpose of ranking was for seeding purposes. You all should restrain yourselves from conferring greatness on anyone, allow them to achieve it first.

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Justine is not the boss? How do you call a player winning 20 tournaments in the last 3 years, including 5 Grand Slams, 9 Tier I's and 6 Tier 2's?

And yes, I do believe Justine can reverse her H2H against Venus, if they play against each other...
Justine pre-2003 only ever had problems with 5 players: Lindsay, Kim, Monica, Venus and Serena.
At some point in 2003, she became a new and improved player, and reversed her H2H with Lindsay (from 0-5 to 5-5) and with Kim (from 4-7 to 10-10). In 2003, she also won 2 of the 3 matches against Serena (she was 1-4 before) and her 2 matches against Monica (she was 1-4 before). The only other player that had her number in the pre-2003 period was Venus, but unfortunately they didn't play each other since January 2003 so she didn't have the opportunity to reverse the h2h! But Considering how she could do it for the 3 other players she used to struggle against, I can't see why she wouldn't be able to do it against Venus!

Justine is definitely the best player of the last 3 years, even with all her illness and injuries in that period! Nobody can deny it!

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:



I'm sure the obsessed WS fans will find a spin somehow! :hehehe:

Martian Jeza
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:46 PM
The fact is Justine doesn't relish the opportunity to play either Venus or Serena. The less she plays either the more her chances increase to win.

The weeks at #1 is way over-rated especially in women's tennis. It has lost its prestige because we all know that lately #1 doesn't coincide with quality anymore but quantity. In any case history doesn't put much emphasis on rankings because there were many great players before rankings and the main purpose of ranking was for seeding purposes. You all should restrain yourselves from conferring greatness on anyone, allow them to achieve it first.

I know you are a WS fan but the tennis world don't turn around the WS... There are many very good players and at RG this year, she had a confortable draw : this only is my opinion...

Martian Jeza
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Justine is not the boss? How do you call a player winning 20 tournaments in the last 3 years, including 5 Grand Slams, 9 Tier I's and 6 Tier 2's?

And yes, I do believe Justine can reverse her H2H against Venus, if they play against each other...
Justine pre-2003 only ever had problems with 5 players: Lindsay, Kim, Monica, Venus and Serena.
At some point in 2003, she became a new and improved player, and reversed her H2H with Lindsay (from 0-5 to 5-5) and with Kim (from 4-7 to 10-10). In 2003, she also won 2 of the 3 matches against Serena (she was 1-4 before) and her 2 matches against Monica (she was 1-4 before). The only other player that had her number in the pre-2003 period was Venus, but unfortunately they didn't play each other since January 2003 so she didn't have the opportunity to reverse the h2h! But Considering how she could do it for the 3 other players she used to struggle against, I can't see why she wouldn't be able to do it against Venus!

Justine is definitely the best player of the last 3 years, even with all her illness and injuries in that period! Nobody can deny it!

She barely plays 5-6 months a year : not difficult to win titles like this...

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:49 PM
The fact is Justine doesn't relish the opportunity to play either Venus or Serena. The less she plays either the more her chances increase to win..

Who told you that?

The weeks at #1 is way over-rated especially in women's tennis. It has lost its prestige because we all know that lately #1 doesn't coincide with quality anymore but quantity. In any case history doesn't put much emphasis on rankings because there were many great players before rankings and the main purpose of ranking was for seeding purposes. You all should restrain yourselves from conferring greatness on anyone, allow them to achieve it first.

I suppose that's since the William Sisters arn't on top anymore right? I bet you didn't think that in 2001-2002 eh? :rolleyes:

turt
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:50 PM
She barely plays 5-6 months a year : not difficult to win titles like this...
:lol:
Then how come nobody else did it, if it's so easy :rolleyes:

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM
She barely plays 5-6 months a year : not difficult to win titles like this...

Wow what a compliment! :eek:

That's right, she barely plays a full season and she is still winning all those tournaments and grand slams! Absolutely fucking amazing really isn't it? :bounce: :bounce:

Just goes to prove how good she is. :worship: :worship: :worship:

Volcana
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Let's say the decade runs from 2000-2009. That leaves 14 slams to be played. More than enough tournaments for a player with NO slams to exceed even Serena's total. It would have to be dominance like Graf or Seles, three out of four slams for two or three years, but it's certainly possible.

OTOH, Serena at 100% health could double her total.

Martian Jeza
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:53 PM
:lol:
Then how come nobody else did it, if it's so easy :rolleyes:

I want her to play 1 entire season ffs but she will NEVER do it always complaining about illness or injuries : give me a break...

Martian Jeza
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Wow what a compliment! :eek:

That's right, she barely plays a full season and she is still winning all those tournaments and grand slams! Absolutely fucking amazing really isn't it? :bounce: :bounce:

Just goes to prove how good she is. :worship: :worship: :worship:

How good ? woaw, JHH is such a great example :retard:

turt
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:56 PM
I want her to play 1 entire season ffs but she will NEVER do it always complaining about illness or injuries : give me a break...
Why do you want her to play a full season? You hate her! :rolleyes:

Are you masochist? Do you enjoy suffering? :haha:

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Justine is also the youngest player of your list, and she's definitely a serious contender to add at least 10-15 other tournaments... Did you know that she has won 20 tournaments since... February 2003! :eek:
that's exactly my point. she's the only one consistently achieving a lot. i also get the feeling she'll be around a while. she adds titles and wins a major every year. she may become the most chieved player of this decade.

Martian Jeza
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Why do you want her to play a full season? You hate her! :rolleyes:

Are you masochist? Do you enjoy suffering? :haha:

Yes, I hate her, where's the problem ? She maybe is a champion but she has NO class !

faboozadoo15
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM
The fact is Justine doesn't relish the opportunity to play either Venus or Serena. The less she plays either the more her chances increase to win.

i'd would bet my house that justine would love nothing more than to play either one of them, especially on a clay or slow hardcourt. the beat serena 2 of the last three times she played her, and the only time she lost was on grass with a broken hand....
she hasn't played venus in years.
i think you seriously underestimate how competitive justine is. she loves the fight and loves her rivalry matches.

Nemesis
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:03 PM
for me this decade

1 = Serena
2 = Venus
3 = Justine

and it'll probably stay this way regardless what happens in the next 4 years, because if all play their best, this is the order they're in; unless Justine goes dominating now, which probably won't happen because of her weak health.

DragonFlame
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:11 PM
But people also look at grand slams, which favors Venus heavily :kiss:

i don't agree on that, they won the same amount of slams but justine won her grandslams on 3/4 surfaces while venus won on 2/4. no matter how many grandslamfinals you played and lost.

Veenut
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Who told you that?



I suppose that's since the William Sisters arn't on top anymore right? I bet you didn't think that in 2001-2002 eh? :rolleyes:

It was quite self evident who were the best players then. The results are well documented and undisputed. You don't have to take my workd for it go check it out for yourself. While you are at it check also to see who were contending in the finals for the majors consistently. Therefore how could I think otherwise? :rolleyes:

Also go check Justine's interviews after her consecutive losses to Venus, then you'll discover how I came to the conclusion. As it stands Justine is the one who needs to prove to herself that she can defeat Venus. Try not to get a head of yourself.

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Yes, I hate her, where's the problem ? She maybe is a champion but she has NO class !

:haha: :haha:

That coming from a Martina Hingis fan! OMG! :haha: :haha:

MWUUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:29 PM
It was quite self evident who were the best players then. The results are well documented and undisputed. You don't have to take my workd for it go check it out for yourself. While you are at it check also to see who were contending in the finals for the majors consistently. Therefore how could I think otherwise? :rolleyes:

Also go check Justine's interviews after her consecutive losses to Venus, then you'll discover how I came to the conclusion. As it stands Justine is the one who needs to prove to herself that she can defeat Venus. Try not to get a head of yourself.

:bs:

As ever a WS fan is living in the PAST! :rolleyes:

When was the last time Justine said it?

Aaron.
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:30 PM
OH God another one of these justine dominate threads

Veenut
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:31 PM
i'd would bet my house that justine would love nothing more than to play either one of them, especially on a clay or slow hardcourt. the beat serena 2 of the last three times she played her, and the only time she lost was on grass with a broken hand....
she hasn't played venus in years.
i think you seriously underestimate how competitive justine is. she loves the fight and loves her rivalry matches.

I doubt it very much that Justine would want to see Venus in her quarter at Wimbledon. Anyway, speculation can only go so far, therefore it would be fantastic if this happen, then we can take it from there....

DragonFlame
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:34 PM
I doubt it very much that Justine would want to see Venus in her quarter at Wimbledon. Anyway, speculation can only go so far, therefore it would be fantastic if this happen, then we can take it from there....

i think this would be an amasing final. i thought and hoped it would happen at the french as well but sadly that didn't happen. Give us a 2001finalmatchup repeat! not result though ;)

Denise4925
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:36 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.
:banghead: Sam, stop counting your chickens before the eggs are hatched. :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Well, I don't know how it will all play out, but this is what we know:

1. Hingis hasn't won a GS singles tourney since 1999.

2. Venus has won 1 GS singles tourney since 2001 (that's five years).

3. Serena has won 1 GS singles tourney since Wimby 2003 (that's three years).

4. Justine has won 5 GS singles and 1 Olympic Gold in the past three years, including a GS singles titles in every year since.

If Serena, Venus and Hingis want to stay on top for this generation, they are going to have to begin winning GS tournaments more consistently, because Justine has already answered that call.

Justine has been the Queen of GS tournaments since 2003. The question is, who is "player" enough to stop it, or can they?????

Veenut
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:40 PM
:bs:

As ever a WS fan is living in the PAST! :rolleyes:

When was the last time Justine said it?

What else is there to go on, but the past! :confused: The future is based on speculation, using past history as a guide. There is nothing else to be said until they eventually meet, then one can determine who made the correct call.

Libertango
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:41 PM
Oh hurrah!......:tape:

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 16th, 2006, 09:48 PM
hahaha yeah right....

Denise4925
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:02 PM
Well, I don't know how it will all play out, but this is what we know:

1. Hingis hasn't won a GS singles tourney since 1999.

2. Venus has won 1 GS singles tourney since 2001 (that's five years).

3. Serena has won 1 GS singles tourney since Wimby 2003 (that's three years).

4. Justine has won 5 GS singles and 1 Olympic Gold in the past three years, including a GS singles titles in every year since.

If Serena, Venus and Hingis want to stay on top for this generation, they are going to have to begin winning GS tournaments more consistently, because Justine has already answered that call.

Justine has been the Queen of GS tournaments since 2003. The question is, who is "player" enough to stop it, or can they?????

I guess it's all in how you spin it, huh MarJen? :lol:

I'll let Hingis fans defend her.

Venus was in all four major finals in 2002. Missed part of 2003-4 with injury. Came back and won a slam that dismissed Justine in the first round last year.

Serena won all but one major in 2003, was out most of 2004 recovering from surgery on her knee, but returned and won Miami and made the final of a major in 2004 and the quarters of a major Justine was dismissed from in the fourth round. Came back in 2005 and won the first slam. So, Serena has won a major every year except 2004, since 2002. And, how can she be a queen when she wasn't even on the radar in 2002, she won 2 in 2003 and so did Serena. The only thing she has on Serena is that she won a major in 2004. :shrug: One in which Serena couldn't compete in because of surgery. They both one won in 2005, and she didn't fare very well because of injury or illness herself the rest of the year.

The point is, I don't see that Justine has accomplished so much more than Serena. Or that she's so ahead of Venus because Venus didn't win a major in 2002-2004. Or that she is even dominating. Plus, the season is not over. Anything can happen.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:13 PM
I guess it's all in how you spin it, huh MarJen? :lol:

I'll let Hingis fans defend her.

Venus was in all four major finals in 2002. Missed part of 2003-4 with injury. Came back and won a slam that dismissed Justine in the first round last year.

Serena won all but one major in 2003, was out most of 2004 recovering from surgery on her knee, but returned and won Miami and made the final of a major in 2004 and the quarters of a major Justine was dismissed from in the fourth round. Came back in 2005 and won the first slam. So, Serena has won a major every year except 2004, since 2002. And, how can she be a queen when she wasn't even on the radar in 2002, she won 2 in 2003 and so did Serena. The only thing she has on Serena is that she won a major in 2004. :shrug: One in which Serena couldn't compete in because of surgery. They both one won in 2005, and she didn't fare very well because of injury or illness herself the rest of the year.

The point is, I don't see that Justine has accomplished so much more than Serena. Or that she's so ahead of Venus because Venus didn't win a major in 2002-2004. Or that she is even dominating. Plus, the season is not over. Anything can happen.

Hi, Denise :wavey:

Its not about spin, but rather Justine has been more consistent and won more GS titles since 2003 than any other player in the WTA. And unless someone can stop her, there is no reason why that pattern would change.

All of these women have had their share of injuries and illness over the past three years.

hingisGOAT
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:25 PM
yes she could become the greatest player of this decade, and it could happen in a little over three weeks

Denise4925
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Hi, Denise :wavey:

Its not about spin, but rather Justine has been more consistent and won more GS titles since 2003 than any other player in the WTA. And unless someone can stop her, there is no reason why that pattern would change.

All of these women have had their share of injuries and illness over the past three years.
One more GS title than any other player since 2003. She won the AO in 2004. Serena made it to the final that same year at Wimby. Justine made it to the 2nd Rd of RG and 4 th Rd at US that year. Not very impressionable.

Stop her from what? She's basically won RG back to back from 2005 to date, that's it. Again, the season is not over. As much as you want to make it seem like it, she's not dominating the slams.

vejh
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:59 PM
OMGosh, can't believe people are trying to put down Jhh's accomplishments these past few years. She's won 5 gs in a little less than 3 yrs......doesn't matter who it is, that is AMAZING!! It is simply a very great acheivement from her. And I mentioned before that JHH is a slow starter/late bloomer. She incidentally has gotten better each year (since 2003 especially), and we will see what the future holds.

But if her career were to stop here (God forbid), she would be one of the great players to play the game in this decade with simply the best (or one of the best) tennis skills on a court. And she would undisputedly be the clay court queen of this decade. She's making quite a history for herself.

Now I know that Juju would love to play and beat Venus and Serena. And know she regards the former as a great champion and she acknowledges Serena as a great player. What better way to win tournies than beating them? It's not like she's hiding from them...lol. I bet she lives for this..the tight situations, the uncertainty..etc.

terjw
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:14 PM
What else is there to go on, but the past! :confused: The future is based on speculation, using past history as a guide. There is nothing else to be said until they eventually meet, then one can determine who made the correct call.

To answer your question - the present. Justine is unarguably winning slams at a greater rate than the others.

As to greatest player of the decade - I don't think the decade will be remebered for one great player - but divided up into bands - with WS dominating at the beginning of the decade, then the Belgians, then the Russians, etc etc

I also think using phrases like great player of the decade cheapens the meaning of "great" when compared to players like Steffii Graf, Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert who really were great players of their decade.

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:31 PM
I doubt it very much that Justine would want to see Venus in her quarter at Wimbledon. Anyway, speculation can only go so far, therefore it would be fantastic if this happen, then we can take it from there....

Ah so you are now saying that it's you that is saying that Justine wouldn't want Venus in her quarter. In your last post or one before that, you said it was Justine that said it! Make up your mind, who said it, you or Justine?

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:41 PM
OMGosh, can't believe people are trying to put down Jhh's accomplishments these past few years. She's won 5 gs in a little less than 3 yrs......doesn't matter who it is, that is AMAZING!! It is simply a very great acheivement from her. And I mentioned before that JHH is a slow starter/late bloomer. She incidentally has gotten better each year (since 2003 especially), and we will see what the future holds.

But if her career were to stop here (God forbid), she would be one of the great players to play the game in this decade with simply the best (or one of the best) tennis skills on a court. And she would undisputedly be the clay court queen of this decade. She's making quite a history for herself.

Now I know that Juju would love to play and beat Venus and Serena. And know she regards the former as a great champion and she acknowledges Serena as a great player. What better way to win tournies than beating them? It's not like she's hiding from them...lol. I bet she lives for this..the tight situations, the uncertainty..etc.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

She most certainly does, but what makes me laugh is that the WS's fans think that she is frightened of the Sisters :haha: :haha: and they say she said it which is even more hysterical :haha: :haha:

Justine Henin-Hardenne frightened of a Williams Sister, yeh right :lol: :lol:

As I said, the WS's fans live in the past and not the PRESENT. JHH is not frightened of anyone and I know that she will say "bring it on"!! :bounce: :bounce:

Justine Fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:42 PM
To answer your question - the present. Justine is unarguably winning slams at a greater rate than the others.

As to greatest player of the decade - I don't think the decade will be remebered for one great player - but divided up into bands - with WS dominating at the beginning of the decade, then the Belgians, then the Russians, etc etc

I also think using phrases like great player of the decade cheapens the meaning of "great" when compared to players like Steffii Graf, Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert who really were great players of their decade.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :yeah:

DragonFlame
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:59 PM
One more GS title than any other player since 2003. She won the AO in 2004.
Stop her from what? She's basically won RG back to back from 2005 to date, that's it. Again, the season is not over. As much as you want to make it seem like it, she's not dominating the slams.

well, right now she has 2 more then serena since 2003, like you said the season is not yet over and serena can still take the usopen. but after serena there is no one else that can compete with that and in that way justine is dominating the slams.

all the other slamwinners have only won 1 slam since 2003, serena 3, justine 5

Junex
Jun 17th, 2006, 01:21 AM
Oh why do we have to live in speculation???


indeed as of the moment in this decade, based on GS results which all what matters... Serena paves the way then followed equally by Venus & Justine.

We are viewers and fans alike and these players have all in their hands the making of their future of who among them will end up the greatest!

Why can't we just play the role of spectator and enjoy things as it happen.

saying that though, Justine is of a disadvantage here:

1. Serena and Venus are Sisters and as much as fans hate it, their accomplishments will still be tagged together.
2. Venus and Serena are celebrities in their own right, Justine isn't and she doesn't want it.
3. Simply because V & S are americans!!!

new-york
Jun 17th, 2006, 01:45 AM
Things could seem taking a way at the end of the year, & reverse at the end of 2007.

Right now, Venus had better performances in slams & more titles, i would overally edge her. But Justine has been number 1 longer and whatever what Venus wasn't even when she was winning all her matches, that won't be explained in the stats list. She also showed more consistency in the past couple of years.

Venus is more famous & comes from a mediatic pair phenomenon but let's judge them with what they tennistically achieved.

It's constantly moving. Wait & See.

Bounty Hunter
Jun 17th, 2006, 02:29 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

treufreund
Jun 17th, 2006, 03:28 AM
Williams sisters cannot hold a candle to justine's accomplishments since 2003 (and that comes despite several serious injuries and a prolonged illness! :eek: ) but overall Martina justine and Williams sisters all have incredible careers and talent. why this senseless debating?

PatrickRyan
Jun 17th, 2006, 03:40 AM
1. Serena ( 7 slams and 2 other finals)
2. Martina ( 5 slams and 7 other finals)
3. Venus ( 5 slams and 6 other finals)
4. Justine ( 5 slams and 2 other finals)

that's enought to prove the point but even if you look at other grand slam performances, the other 3 have a lot more QF and SF's

Case closed :yeah:
i agree with u on that one, justine is not anywhere close with serena as the best player of the decade :D :)

Callystarr
Jun 17th, 2006, 05:15 AM
Chile this mess....

Who cares about who did what in the Last 3 years...the bottom line is..Serena, Venus, and Martina Hingis have ALL been more successful thus far in their career...nobody cares about what they have done in the last decade.

In 70 years are they going to be looking back at what Justine did between 2003 and 2006? umm no...they are going to be looking at her ENTIRE career...

harloo
Jun 17th, 2006, 05:16 AM
The greatest player of the decade? Hmmm....delusions of grandeur. The greatest clay courter of the decade sounds about right. Allez!!!

vswfan
Jun 17th, 2006, 05:46 AM
whats your point?
Serena is trying to comeback in Cincy next month
i dont understand why u say she wont be returning
Venus' and Martina's is still better than Henin's
and all of these 3 women (the Williams,Hingis) has achieved so many
all of them had reached 4 GS final in a row
did Justine do that?

one more thing to say
even tho Justine's GS number may pass Serena one day
i will still consider that Serena is greater because she won 4 in a row
its still one of the hardest thing to achieve isnt it?

Junex
Jun 17th, 2006, 05:50 AM
"could"

vswfan
Jun 17th, 2006, 05:57 AM
i will not argue on who is the greatest or who will have more GS titles
to me they will be in Hall of Fame
and people always remember those amazing record like Court's, Graf's or Evert's, Navratilova's
no one will remember who got more slams or whose GS number is NO8 or 9 or 10 in history
it make no sense to discuss about who is the greatest
those players have their own stories
cannot be compared

pcrtennis
Jun 17th, 2006, 06:21 AM
Right now Venus has the better career in my opinion...

Rub
Jun 17th, 2006, 06:35 AM
she could... i really think she would!

mboyle
Jun 17th, 2006, 06:51 AM
I think Justine could become the best player in her generation, but Serena has it now, and there's no reason she shouldn't keep it. Maria could improve and start to dominate, or even Nicole could. It's in the future. I think it's obvious that anyone could; what matters is who DOES it.

Dani12
Jun 17th, 2006, 06:59 AM
could. yeah.

turt
Jun 17th, 2006, 07:09 AM
she could... i really think she would!
... and we can reasonably assume she will :D

(Based on the fact that since 3 years she's proven to be the player to beat, winning 20 tournaments including 5 GS, 9 Tier I's and 6 Tier 2's)

Bijoux0021
Jun 17th, 2006, 08:26 AM
The greatest player of the decade? Hmmm....delusions of grandeur. The greatest clay courter of the decade sounds about right. Allez!!!

AMEN to that! And for the record, Justine has never...I repeat; she has never defeated a Williams sister on any other surface but Clay.

So stop being delusional!

turt
Jun 17th, 2006, 08:35 AM
And for the record, Venus & Serena have never... I repeat; they have never defeated Justine for almost 3 years, on any surface!

So stop being delusional!

vswfan
Jun 17th, 2006, 09:08 AM
And for the record, Venus & Serena have never... I repeat; they have never defeated Justine for almost 3 years, on any surface!

So stop being delusional!

Henin-Hardenne has never defeated Serena for over 3 years!
and she has never defeated Venus for over 5 years!

turt
Jun 17th, 2006, 09:17 AM
And Venus & Serena have never ever defeated me :rolleyes:

So tell me, what do the last 4 posts prove? :lol: :haha:

per4ever
Jun 17th, 2006, 09:37 AM
AMEN to that! And for the record, Justine has never...I repeat; she has never defeated a Williams sister on any other surface but Clay.

So stop being delusional!
Federer has never, I repeat ; he has never defeated Nadal on any ofther surface but once on hardcourt..

Does that make Nadal the best player of the decade? :o


I can't stand all this arguing... it's plain ridiculous. Justine, Serena, Venus and martina are all great players who I love to watch if they're playing their best tennis. Why do all those fans want THEIR favourite as the best of the decade??

Just be happy with the results of your favourite, you're all supporting a real topplayer. Long live WTA tennis :)

Markus
Jun 17th, 2006, 10:02 AM
if justine is winning wimbledon she has a great chance to be the most successful player in this decade. winning all four slams is imo the greatest achievement of all. the last period between two players who had reached was about 12 years (steffi 1988 uso - serena 2003 ao). this time it could be much shorter. right now it is serena for me in this decade who has do be considered as the best player.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 17th, 2006, 12:23 PM
One more GS title than any other player since 2003. She won the AO in 2004. Serena made it to the final that same year at Wimby. Justine made it to the 2nd Rd of RG and 4 th Rd at US that year. Not very impressionable.

Stop her from what? She's basically won RG back to back from 2005 to date, that's it. Again, the season is not over. As much as you want to make it seem like it, she's not dominating the slams.

The last I looked, Justine is the only player so far this year to make it to the finals of the grand slam tournaments: AO and winning the French. She's made it to the finals of five of the eight tournaments she's played, winning three of them, including both Fed Cup matches against Russia (Petrova and Dementieva). Not a bad year.

Its been a long time since Venus or Serena had a year like that. And that's not me being a smart ass, its simply the truth.

Justine is the ONLY player of this generation to win grand slam singles titles in four consecutive years.

In terms of being a fan of tennis, its nice to have these types of discussions because it means our favs are having great careers. It will be nice to watch as it unfolds.

vwfan
Jun 17th, 2006, 01:58 PM
she's in the hunt. . .

as long as Venus and Serena are out and underperforming, she's the best of the rest!

Martian Jeza
Jun 17th, 2006, 02:01 PM
she's in the hunt. . .

as long as Venus and Serena are out and underperforming, she's the best of the rest!

The tennis world don't turn around the WS : You may be fan of her but don't talk the tennis world turns around the WS...

vwfan
Jun 17th, 2006, 03:32 PM
The tennis world don't turn around the WS : You may be fan of her but don't talk the tennis world turns around the WS...
no but Justine's career does. :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 17th, 2006, 09:50 PM
she's in the hunt. . .

as long as Venus and Serena are out and underperforming, she's the best of the rest!

There seems to be an urban legend perpetrated by some WS fans that only Venus and Serena are worthy of winning GS titles and the rest of the WTA are simply lucky when they win GS titles.

It largely reveals the denial many of those fans live in, when they call an overweight Serena "naturally thick", or Venus "ready to regain her throne", a place Venus has only enjoyed once in the past five years.

What reality reveals is that tennis is 90% mental. And if you are not 100% committed to tennis, historically mediocre results will follow.

Venus and Serena are no longer favorites in tennis tournaments. They have reduced their games to celebrity-status, always nice to see play, with little expectation of winning.

So, if you are not satisfied that Venus and Serena haven't throughly dominated the WTA since their arrival, you can't blame their detractors, or the media, or Yuri Sharapova, Justine or anyone else.

Justine Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 12:07 AM
There seems to be an urban legend perpetrated by some WS fans that only Venus and Serena are worthy of winning GS titles and the rest of the WTA are simply lucky when they win GS titles.

It largely reveals the denial many of those fans live in, when they call an overweight Serena "naturally thick", or Venus "ready to regain her throne", a place Venus has only enjoyed once in the past five years.

What reality reveals is that tennis is 90% mental. And if you are not 100% committed to tennis, historically mediocre results will follow.

Venus and Serena are no longer favorites in tennis tournaments. They have reduced their games to celebrity-status, always nice to see play, with little expectation of winning.

So, if you are not satisfied that Venus and Serena haven't throughly dominated the WTA since their arrival, you can't blame their detractors, or the media, or Yuri Sharapova, Justine or anyone else.

Once again ... :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

harloo
Jun 18th, 2006, 01:07 AM
There seems to be an urban legend perpetrated by some WS fans that only Venus and Serena are worthy of winning GS titles and the rest of the WTA are simply lucky when they win GS titles.

What urban legend? The fact that you would even create such a slanderous lie is clear proof of how delusional you are. The "who should win a slam debate" is not exclusive to any particular fan base. Amelie's slam win was questioned by some, Myskina's win was questioned, and fans here comment all the time in the same manner about all the top players.


It largely reveals the denial many of those fans live in, when they call an overweight Serena "naturally thick", or Venus "ready to regain her throne", a place Venus has only enjoyed once in the past five years.

Serena has always been naturally thick which is a well known fact. And regardless of how many injury's the sisters have dealt with many Williams fans remain optimistic. It's a given that neither sister has played to their potential(mainly because of injuries) in a while, so what's you point?

Personally I feel it's delusional to assume that three FO titles, and two other slam titles qualifies Justine as the best player of the decade. JMO.:tape: :lol:


What reality reveals is that tennis is 90% mental. And if you are not 100% committed to tennis, historically mediocre results will follow.

Venus and Serena are no longer favorites in tennis tournaments. They have reduced their games to celebrity-status, always nice to see play, with little expectation of winning.


Serena wasn't the favorite at the AO 2005 and Venus was expected to bomb out early at Wimbledon 2005. They both won. I don't think certain fans wan't the sisters to become dedicated to tennis, let's just leave it at that.:lol:

So, if you are not satisfied that Venus and Serena haven't throughly dominated the WTA since their arrival, you can't blame their detractors, or the media, or Yuri Sharapova, Justine or anyone else.

Oh noone is blaming the detractors because they will always be around salivating at the mouth waiting for the sisters to do any little thing. Of course they(you included) have plenty ammunition to work with at this moment. It's always been that way and I suspect it will never change.:lol:

PatrickRyan
Jun 18th, 2006, 01:41 AM
Even if justine win's more slams that serena, serena still won all 4 slams in a row which is an amazing feat. And serena has won on every surface, and justine hasn't. Serena still leads there head to head. Of course henin is winning more slams right now, its only because serena isn't enterd in them to take her ass out. And justine has little chance at wimbledon against venus, sharapova, and davenport. Yes she did make the final once but that was ages ago. :angel: :)

Geisha
Jun 18th, 2006, 01:57 AM
Justine definitely could become the greatest player of this decade. But, so could Serena. So could Hingis, Venus, Davenport and every other player. There are so many factors that "could" hinder her chances to winning more Majors.

Look at it this way - after Wimbledon in 2003, Serena was favoured to win at many, many more Majors the rest of her career, but injuries got in the way of her records and she has only won one Major since that tournament. The same could happen to Justine.

If Serena, Martina, and Venus don't do anything major in the upcoming years, you have to favour Justine. I mean, she's won three of the last four French Opens, and she's won the Australian and US Opens, as well. She's a heavy favourite on clay and could possibly win another three French Opens.

But, even if. The faster surfaces, you have to favour the bigger, more powerful players like Venus, Serena, and Sharapova. Although neither of them are even close to peak form, they are serious threats for upcoming Majors, especially with the recent commitments of Serena into Cincinatti and San Diego.

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Of course she can be, but she'll have to start winning some non-clay slams to do it - preferably Wimbledon. And before people quote her US Open and Australian Open triumphs as if i am some moron who was in a vacuum for those events, I am well aware of them, but I am also well aware that it is coming up to three years since those victories and her last four attempts at non-clay slams have ended in 3 early round losses. Of course people will rightly say that she was far from her physical best in those losses, but I don't see any reason why such patterns will not continue. The thing is, she has been far from her best in many of her clay court wins, but she is so damn good on that surface that she can get away with it. It's not so on hard court and even less so on grass.

In other words, Justine can win the French Open for the next 5 years as far as I am concerned and it won't make her the best player of this generation if she doesnt do it elsewhere. It will make her one of the greatest clay court players of all time but when clay is so far and away the worst surface of Serena, Venus, Davenport, Sharapova and most certainly is not the best surface of Clijsters, it's hard to say that any future wins there can count towards her overall greatness vis-a-vis theirs. On anything but clay her results are still well behind the likes of Williams, Williams, Hingis and Davenport and its far from clear-cut with Clijsters.

Derek.
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:18 AM
Justine has been the best player in the last 3 years, because she's been basically the only top player playing. :o





I'm sure the obsessed WS fans will find a spin somehow! :hehehe:

And you are an obsessed Justine fan.

Derek.
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Of course she can be, but she'll have to start winning some non-clay slams to do it - preferably Wimbledon. And before people quote her US Open and Australian Open triumphs as if i am some moron who was in a vacuum for those events, I am well aware of them, but I am also well aware that it is coming up to three years since those victories and her last four attempts at non-clay slams have ended in 3 early round losses.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:21 AM
Justine definitely could become the greatest player of this decade. But, so could Serena. So could Hingis, Venus, Davenport and every other player. There are so many factors that "could" hinder her chances to winning more Majors.

Look at it this way - after Wimbledon in 2003, Serena was favoured to win at many, many more Majors the rest of her career, but injuries got in the way of her records and she has only won one Major since that tournament. The same could happen to Justine.

If Serena, Martina, and Venus don't do anything major in the upcoming years, you have to favour Justine. I mean, she's won three of the last four French Opens, and she's won the Australian and US Opens, as well. She's a heavy favourite on clay and could possibly win another three French Opens.

But, even if. The faster surfaces, you have to favour the bigger, more powerful players like Venus, Serena, and Sharapova. Although neither of them are even close to peak form, they are serious threats for upcoming Majors, especially with the recent commitments of Serena into Cincinatti and San Diego.

It's a great point. Consider:

After W 03, Serena had won 5 of the last 6 GS. Who would think she would win only 1 out of the next 11?
After US 01, Venus had won 4 of the last 6 GS. Who would think she would she would win only 1 out of the next 18?
After AO 99, Hingis had won 5 of the last 9 GS. Who would think she would not win any of the next 29?
After AO 00, Davenport had won 3 of the last 6 GS. Who would think she would not win any of the next 25?

You just never know.

Justine has certainly shown the longevity on clay though...

Denise4925
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:58 AM
What urban legend? The fact that you would even create such a slanderous lie is clear proof of how delusional you are. The "who should win a slam debate" is not exclusive to any particular fan base. Amelie's slam win was questioned by some, Myskina's win was questioned, and fans here comment all the time in the same manner about all the top players.


Serena has always been naturally thick which is a well known fact. And regardless of how many injury's the sisters have dealt with many Williams fans remain optimistic. It's a given that neither sister has played to their potential(mainly because of injuries) in a while, so what's you point?

Personally I feel it's delusional to assume that three FO titles, and two other slam titles qualifies Justine as the best player of the decade. JMO.:tape: :lol:



Serena wasn't the favorite at the AO 2005 and Venus was expected to bomb out early at Wimbledon 2005. They both won. I don't think certain fans wan't the sisters to become dedicated to tennis, let's just leave it at that.:lol:


Oh noone is blaming the detractors because they will always be around salivating at the mouth waiting for the sisters to do any little thing. Of course they(you included) have plenty ammunition to work with at this moment. It's always been that way and I suspect it will never change.:lol:
:lol: :worship:

Denise4925
Jun 18th, 2006, 02:59 AM
There seems to be an urban legend perpetrated by some WS fans that only Venus and Serena are worthy of winning GS titles and the rest of the WTA are simply lucky when they win GS titles.

It largely reveals the denial many of those fans live in, when they call an overweight Serena "naturally thick", or Venus "ready to regain her throne", a place Venus has only enjoyed once in the past five years.

What reality reveals is that tennis is 90% mental. And if you are not 100% committed to tennis, historically mediocre results will follow.

Venus and Serena are no longer favorites in tennis tournaments. They have reduced their games to celebrity-status, always nice to see play, with little expectation of winning.

So, if you are not satisfied that Venus and Serena haven't throughly dominated the WTA since their arrival, you can't blame their detractors, or the media, or Yuri Sharapova, Justine or anyone else.
Spin it MarJen, spin it good. :lol:

Denise4925
Jun 18th, 2006, 03:03 AM
Of course she can be, but she'll have to start winning some non-clay slams to do it - preferably Wimbledon. And before people quote her US Open and Australian Open triumphs as if i am some moron who was in a vacuum for those events, I am well aware of them, but I am also well aware that it is coming up to three years since those victories and her last four attempts at non-clay slams have ended in 3 early round losses. Of course people will rightly say that she was far from her physical best in those losses, but I don't see any reason why such patterns will not continue. The thing is, she has been far from her best in many of her clay court wins, but she is so damn good on that surface that she can get away with it. It's not so on hard court and even less so on grass.

In other words, Justine can win the French Open for the next 5 years as far as I am concerned and it won't make her the best player of this generation if she doesnt do it elsewhere. It will make her one of the greatest clay court players of all time but when clay is so far and away the worst surface of Serena, Venus, Davenport, Sharapova and most certainly is not the best surface of Clijsters, it's hard to say that any future wins there can count towards her overall greatness vis-a-vis theirs. On anything but clay her results are still well behind the likes of Williams, Williams, Hingis and Davenport and its far from clear-cut with Clijsters.
OH MY GOD!! Thank you so much :worship: for so eloquently stating what I was trying to say in my earlier post to MarJen. This is so true. No one is taking anything away from Justine's clay triumphs, but she's had terrible results in the rest of the slams in the last three years, with the exception of the AO this year and you know what happened in the final there :rolleyes: But, I'll give her her due for making it to the final.

Il Primo!
Jun 18th, 2006, 03:07 AM
After all,the 2004 AO and 2003 USO were just big jokes and were some of the weakest draws ever

G1Player2
Jun 18th, 2006, 04:04 AM
Spin it MarJen, spin it good. :lol:

Denise. MarJen is Julia1968. Remember that infamous poster?

turt
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:06 AM
And before people quote her US Open and Australian Open triumphs as if i am some moron who was in a vacuum for those events, I am well aware of them, but I am also well aware that it is coming up to three years since those victories and her last four attempts at non-clay slams have ended in 3 early round losses. Of course people will rightly say that she was far from her physical best in those losses, but I don't see any reason why such patterns will not continue.
Let's see... Last four attempts at non-clay slams :tape:
AO 2006: Finalist (retired with stomach problems) :tape:
US Open 2005: 4th round (tendinitis, played only one match for the rest of her season)
Wimbledon 2005: 1st round (the same tendinitis)
US Open 2004: 4th round (Cytomegalovirus, last match of her season)

We may see further (Robbie conveniently stopped at 4, wonder why :rolleyes: ) :
AO 2004 : Winner
US Open 2003 : Winner
Wimbledon 2003 : SF
AO 2003 : SF

So, if there is any pattern to see here, it is that a fit Justine is a serious contender for the whole thing, and an injured/ill Justine is still good enough to move her ass through the 4th round at least (except once!) :rolleyes:

Only one thing to hope for Justine haters: that she comes to Wimbledon with a wooden leg and a glass eye! :lol:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:32 AM
Let's see... Last four attempts at non-clay slams :tape:
AO 2006: Finalist (retired with stomach problems) :tape:
US Open 2005: 4th round (tendinitis, played only one match for the rest of her season)
Wimbledon 2005: 1st round (the same tendinitis)
US Open 2004: 4th round (Cytomegalovirus, last match of her season)

We may see further (Robbie conveniently stopped at 4, wonder why :rolleyes: ) :
AO 2004 : Winner
US Open 2003 : Winner
Wimbledon 2003 : SF
AO 2003 : SF

So, if there is any pattern to see here, is that a fit Justine is a serious contender for the whole thing, and an injured/ill Justine is still good enough to move her ass through the 4th round at least (except once!) :rolleyes:

Only one thing to hope for Justine haters: that she comes to Wimbledon with a wooden leg and a glass eye! :lol:

If you had actually read the post instead of spitting out useless stats the minute your own opinion was tested, you might have comprehended my point.

I'm not saying that Henin is incapable of winning GS on non-clay courts. She is completely capable. The point was that Justine is rarely in peak physical condition and form. That's something she likely has to live with for the rest of her career. The further, important, point was that Justine + below par play or physical condition is deadly for her on faster surfaces. Even at her best, there are already more people on non-clay surfaces who are capable of beating her. Fact. Further, whereas she can play below standard on clay and still beat almost everyone, the number of players who can beat her when she if off her peak on fast courts is greater. Another fact, borne out by results. And this hurts her in majors. You might think getting to the fourth round is a great achievement (I consider anything less than a QF an early exit for a top player) but it's a long way from those performances to winning the title. She has simply failed the physical test the last four times she had played non-clay grand slams.

I didn't go back more than four slams because those other slams are nearly three years (or more) old. Just like I don't go back to Serena's or Kim's or Venus' form from that time to predict what they are going to do now. I'ts useless and irrelevant. Of course Justine in peak condition can contend for these titles, it's not the issue.

I don't see why it is so hard for Henin fans to realise that her non-clay accomplishments are not nearly as impressive as her performances on clay. Pointing this out is just being realistic, it has nothing to do with hate. I'm far from unfair. If she wins Wimbledon and some other fast court slams, I'll be the first to annoint her.

turt
Jun 18th, 2006, 07:48 AM
Well, it's your opinion that Justine will have to live with injuries and illnesses for the rest of her career. I strongly disagree with this, because Justine has learned to know her body and her limits, and she has probably one of the best ethics and preparation of any professional player.

She expressed this year that her goal is to manage her body and have a long career, and she's been doing quite well this year, except for these stomach problems at the AO.
A good sign is that she is at Eastbourne, so this alone means she's in a better shape than in 2004 and 2005!

As for Justine not being incapable of winning a Slam on a non-clay surface, well duh thanks for stating the obvious, what would you have said had Justine beaten Amélie in Melbourne?
That she will have troubles winning a non-clay, non-rebound ace Grand Slam? :lol:

May I remind you that Justine won this year, on hard, against Sharapova (twice), Davenport, and Kuznetsova (twice) :rolleyes:
She also won two titles on hard.
She actually had better results on hard than she had on clay this year :lol:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:01 AM
Well, it's your opinion that Justine will have to live with injuries and illnesses for the rest of her career. I strongly disagree with this, because Justine has learned to know her body and her limits, and she has probably one of the best ethics and preparation of any professional player.

She expressed this year that her goal is to manage her body and have a long career, and she's been doing quite well this year, except for these stomach problems at the AO.
A good sign is that she is at Eastbourne, so this alone means she's in a better shape than in 2004 and 2005!

Enough with the bluster, we'll see what happens from here on in. I hope you are right, then we might get to see something special.

Bottom Line: If she retired now she'd be regarded as this generation's Sanchez-Vicario: an exceptional clay court exponent, who was more than capable of the highest triumphs on faster surfaces but who was inarguably more vulnerable on those surfaces than the red stuff.

If she wants to shed that tag, to be recognised as the greatest overall champion, she needs to win more non-clay slams. It's not that difficult an equation.

G1Player2
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:07 AM
Enough with the bluster, we'll see what happens from here on in. I hope you are right, then we might get to see something special.

Bottom Line: If she retired now she'd be regarded as this generation's Sanchez-Vicario: an exceptional clay court exponent, who was more than capable of the highest triumphs on faster surfaces but who was inarguably more vulnerable on those surfaces than the red stuff.

If she wants to shed that tag, to be recognised as the greatest overall champion, she needs to win more non-clay slams. It's not that difficult an equation.

I have to agree with almost everything you said, but I just have to say that I detect a sense of bittereness in your posts. :lol: Sorry if that sounds rude, but are you still upset that JHH has cleaned Lindsay's clock in their last 5 meetings ALL on faster surfaces? And I don't mean that as a dig.

Justine Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:41 AM
I have to agree with almost everything you said, but I just have to say that I detect a sense of bittereness in your posts. :lol: Sorry if that sounds rude, but are you still upset that JHH has cleaned Lindsay's clock in their last 5 meetings ALL on faster surfaces? And I don't mean that as a dig.

:haha: :haha: I thought that as well! :yeah: It's coming out loud and clear :lol: :lol:

:worship: :worship:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:46 AM
:haha: :haha: I thought that as well! :yeah: It's coming out loud and clear :lol: :lol:

:worship: :worship:

Why not play the arguments, instead of the man? Oh yeah, because the arguments are watertight.

:haha:

Justine Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM
Why not play the arguments, instead of the man? Oh yeah, because the arguments are watertight.

:haha:

Because I can't be bothered to argue with someone like you :tape:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:52 AM
Because I can't be bothered to argue with someone like you :tape:

That normally means that the case can't be answered :tape:

turt
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:06 AM
If she wants to shed that tag, to be recognised as the greatest overall champion, she needs to win more non-clay slams. It's not that difficult an equation.And what are we discussing in this thread? I don't think the subject is "Justine is the greatest player of this decade" :tape:

Justine Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:06 AM
That normally means that the case can't be answered :tape:

That's your opinion! :tape: I choose not to go down to your level and do not want an argument at 10.03 am on a lovely hot and sunny day, because I'm getting ready to go to Eastbourne for a couple of days. I choose not to get into a long debate with you. That's the only reason. Think what you like!

You obviously have no life, otherwise you wouldn't be on here posting on a Saturday night! See how opinion's go? :lol:

Go get a life! :devil:

G1Player2
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:10 AM
That's your opinion! :tape: I choose not to go down to your level and do not want an argument at 10.03 am on a lovely hot and sunny day, because I'm getting ready to go to Eastbourne for a couple of days. I choose not to get into a long debate with you. That's the only reason. Think what you like!

You obviously have no life, otherwise you wouldn't be on here posting on a Saturday night! See how opinion's go? :lol:

Go get a life! :devil:

Well, I really like Robbie, and I think that most of the time he has excellent analysis on certain subjects. However. sometimes he has a middle name and it is "BIASED." So, even though he may be right about JHH to some extent, I think it is also due to the fact that he might not really like her, especially considering the fact that she has beaten his faves including Lindsay the last 5 times.

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:14 AM
Probably...not greatest perce, but more like the more acomplished player. One edge she has is that she could easily rule RG for at least three more years and probably Oz open too. Plus we don't know yet in what kind of shape Serena will be in, when and if she returns. If she can rekindle her pre '05 form, she could easily be adding say a Wimbledon or US open yearly. About greatest part, Serena will go down as the greatest: FOUR in a row. Justine is yet to win all four of them, let alone four in a row...

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:14 AM
That's your opinion! :tape: I choose not to go down to your level and do not want an argument at 10.03 am on a lovely hot and sunny day, because I'm getting ready to go to Eastbourne for a couple of days. I choose not to get into a long debate with you. That's the only reason. Think what you like!

You obviously have no life, otherwise you wouldn't be on here posting on a Saturday night! See how opinion's go? :lol:

Go get a life! :devil:

What's my level? A level of well-reasoned analysis? Look, I couldnt care less to engage in debate with you "Justine Fan" (no bias there at all) because frankly I have said all I want to say on the topic and my argument is there for posterity. However, if you had no intention of engaging my argument you atleast could have had the good sense to say nothing, instead of making some half-arsed comment about my player preferences. The fact that you chose to respond to my argument only in that way tends to suggest that you are incapable of responding to it properly.

And if you are going to be slinging insults about how I pass my time, atleast get the day right :rolleyes:

Justine Fan
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:14 AM
And what are we discussing in this thread? I don't think the subject is "Justine is the greatest player of this decade" :tape:

Exactly Turt :yeah:, that is why I choose not to discuss anything with Robbie! If the poster cannot understand what the word "could" means, how can you have a discussion with them? :rolleyes:

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:18 AM
It's just sad that since Justine became a major force, they only have played at two majors: Justine winning in three at RG '03 and then going on to win the title and Serena in straighth sets at Wimbledon '03 and then went on to win the title. In fact RG '03 is the only major Justine has won with Serena being in the draw.

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:19 AM
And what are we discussing in this thread? I don't think the subject is "Justine is the greatest player of this decade" :tape:

My goodness, aren't we all very thick. I was merely musing on what Justine had to do, IMO, to become the greatest player of this decade. I think that is directly germane to the thread topic. What else were we supposed to discuss here? Some people have funny ideas about relevance.

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:22 AM
Well, I really like Robbie, and I think that most of the time he has excellent analysis on certain subjects, however, sometimes he has a middle name and it is "BIASED." So, even though he may be right about JHH to some extent, I think it is also due to the fact that he might not really like her, especially considering the fact that she has beaten his faves including Lidsay the last 5 times.


As opposed to Justine Fan and Turt who are masters of objective analysis when it comes Justine? :tape:

Once an argument is made it can have strength independent of the person who makes it.

turt
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:25 AM
My goodness, aren't we all very thick. I was merely musing on what Justine had to do, IMO, to become the greatest player of this decade. I think that is directly germane to the thread topic. What else were we supposed to discuss here? Some people have funny ideas about relevance.
Of course you did that, but really, once again, duh thanks for pointing the obvious! :lol:

I think nobody believes she will become the greatest player in the decade by sitting in front of her TV eating chips and drinking beer, of course she has to win other slams on all the surfaces :rolleyes:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:37 AM
Of course you did that, but really, once again, duh thanks for pointing the obvious! :lol:

I think nobody believes she will become the greatest player in the decade by sitting in front of her TV eating chips and drinking beer, of course she has to win other slams on all the surfaces :rolleyes:

So what are you saying that no one should have said anything beyond a yes or no answer to this thread because any discussion is redundant? Surely the major point of this thread was to discuss what Justine has to do and her chances of doing it. That's exactly what I discussed in my post. If you believe that is useless why are you here at all?

Furthermore, I hardly think my post made a moot point. Enough people on here seem to think that you can determine greatness simply by adding up GS crowns ie 8 is greater than 7. I made the point that that won't cut it here, in my view.

turt
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:47 AM
I didn't say that everything you said was pointless and out of topic! I actually developed my answers to your posts and debated with you till this point:
Enough with the bluster, we'll see what happens from here on in. I hope you are right, then we might get to see something special.

Bottom Line: If she retired now she'd be regarded as this generation's Sanchez-Vicario: an exceptional clay court exponent, who was more than capable of the highest triumphs on faster surfaces but who was inarguably more vulnerable on those surfaces than the red stuff.

If she wants to shed that tag, to be recognised as the greatest overall champion, she needs to win more non-clay slams. It's not that difficult an equation.From then on, it looked clear that you had nothing constructive to say anymore :rolleyes:

Robbie.
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:53 AM
I didn't say that everything you said was pointless and out of topic! I actually developed my answers to your posts and debated with you till this point:
From then on, it looked clear that you had nothing constructive to say anymore :rolleyes:

True, and that's why I said "we'll see what happens". We'd reached that stage with the argument where we just have to wait and see. Among my talents is not soothsaying. I really dont know the answers, and either do you.

stijntje
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:00 AM
I think Justine is the greatest player of this decade... And what all the others think, I don't really bother... I know she's the best! ;););)

vswfan
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:04 AM
i dont think it make sense to say who is the greatest
fans always put their idoles first
if you are a WS fan, of course Venus and Serena first
same if you are a Hingis fan, a Lindsay fan, a Jennifer fan, a Kim fan or a Henin fan
to me Monica is the best in last decade
is it really important to argue about it?

Filip!
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Great greater great... I think this is an endless discussion.

I think players with 5 or more grand slams are just part of the 'greatest-ever-group'. So also Justine is part of it...

Allez-H
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:22 AM
Ugh, I'm sick and tired with these stupid "who's the best player between Y & X (lately Justine and Venus). Just let them fight it out on court instead of starting bogus convo's. You can start these discussions when their careers end. On a second thought, people ares till argueing concerning who's the best player of all time :o

Veeko
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:25 AM
hehe,Henin is a great player of course,but i think all of the players are great,because they all try their best to play tennis,they have done a lot of thing for tennis and sports,i think everyone is great,aren't they?

rjd1111
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:46 PM
The tennis world don't turn around the WS : You may be fan of her but don't talk the tennis world turns around the WS...


But It Does!

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:53 PM
Exactly Turt :yeah:, that is why I choose not to discuss anything with Robbie! If the poster cannot understand what the word "could" means, how can you have a discussion with them? :rolleyes:

Agreed. Its not a difficult concept. Much harder for some.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 18th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Denise. MarJen is Julia1968. Remember that infamous poster?

Is that what some of you WS fans call everyone you don't agree with???? I've heard the name twice. And you've called several others the same name.

I just cut to the chase. Asshole. :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Personally I feel it's delusional to assume that three FO titles, and two other slam titles qualifies Justine as the best player of the decade. JMO.:tape: :lol:

Don't forget the Olympic Gold.

Its amazing how defensive some of you WS fans ge, the closer Justine gets to Serena in GS wins.

Re-read the title of the thread, which states Justine "could" become the greatest player of this decade. And I very much agree with that statement. Given Justine's results at the slams since June 2003 (5 wins and one olympic gold) and Serena's lack of motivation and weight gain, its very much a possiblity.

G1Player2
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:10 PM
Don't forget the Olympic Gold.

Its amazing how defensive some of you WS fans ge, the closer Justine gets to Serena in GS wins.

Re-read the title of the thread, which states Justine "could" become the greatest player of this decade. And I very much agree with that statement. Given Justine's results at the slams since June 2003 (5 wins and one olympic gold) and Serena's lack of motivation and weight gain, its very much a possiblity.

Like Robbie said, WHEN Justine starts winning slams besides Roland Garros, THEN these so-called "worriesome" WS fans will start reason to "worry" as you put it. She hasn't done much in the majors besides Roland Garros as of late, except her Austrailian Open final this year. Serena Williams IS, HAS, and WILL win on ALL surfaces. She has done it already. Justine seems fit, healthy, and hungry going into Wimbledon this year so we will see what she is made of there.

harloo
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Don't forget the Olympic Gold.

Its amazing how defensive some of you WS fans ge, the closer Justine gets to Serena in GS wins.

Re-read the title of the thread, which states Justine "could" become the greatest player of this decade. And I very much agree with that statement. Given Justine's results at the slams since June 2003 (5 wins and one olympic gold) and Serena's lack of motivation and weight gain, its very much a possiblity.

I find it more amazing how Justine stans will go to great lengths to convince everyone that she could possibly be the best player of the decade when she has not even won Wimbledon(the biggest title in tennis).

And Justine could get injured tommorow. Keep that in mind. The future is no guarantee but I'll let you live on Fantasy Island. Instead of waiting to see what happens and evaluating careers some chose to exhalt Justine to high heaven. When she wins all four slams back to back then get at me, ;) otherwise she's a top player in contention just like everyone else in the top 5.

Any more faux urban legends MarJen? I'm suprised you backed away from your original script. Must be nice.;) :lol:

shap_half
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:19 PM
Yo let's drop this. As a Justine fan, I'm going to trust in her talents and hope that she takes her career as far as it can go. When she hangs her racquet, we'll see where she finds herself in the history of the sport.

lee station
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Yo let's drop this. As a Justine fan, I'm going to trust in her talents and hope that she takes her career as far as it can go. When she hangs her racquet, we'll see where she finds herself in the history of the sport.:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

harloo
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Yo let's drop this. As a Justine fan, I'm going to trust in her talents and hope that she takes her career as far as it can go. When she hangs her racquet, we'll see where she finds herself in the history of the sport.

:yeah:

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 18th, 2006, 09:31 PM
I woulndnt say she will be one of the greatest players...she won the US open in 03 because the Williams Sisters were not there, she won the AUS open 04 because Serena wasn't there, she's really good at Clay i'll give her those slams (she barely won it in 03 to Serena) to me she is only a big threat on Clay, she needs a lot of help on other surfaces....she a really good player..but she is far from the best player of the decade.. now she can have the title on clay but thats it because...the Williams sisters will run a clinic Justine Henin Hardenne... :worship:

Stamp Paid
Jun 18th, 2006, 10:10 PM
The player ahead of her is Serena. But looks like she won't be returning to tennis. I don't know if she's got the motivation anymore.

If Justine gets a Wimbledon and another slam. That's it.

Justine has shown the commitment to keep improving herself and to get on with it. I think she's got what it takes.

I can see Martina winning slams too but I don't think she'll dominate again.

So Justine is the future.

Damn really? I missed this memo. *rushes to find new player to support*

littlebin
Jun 19th, 2006, 03:20 AM
All we know that Serana had a knee surgery just before US Open 03 & Venus has some problems in her body too, if the williams Sisters still play US Open 03 or AUS Open 04, I doubt they can reach the finals. With a knee in surgery, no way! They just saved their faces.

Justine still can win US Open 03 & AUS Open 04 even William sisters play.


I woulndnt say she will be one of the greatest players...she won the US open in 03 because the Williams Sisters were not there, she won the AUS open 04 because Serena wasn't there, she's really good at Clay i'll give her those slams (she barely won it in 03 to Serena) to me she is only a big threat on Clay, she needs a lot of help on other surfaces....she a really good player..but she is far from the best player of the decade.. now she can have the title on clay but thats it because...the Williams sisters will run a clinic Justine Henin Hardenne... :worship:

moby
Jun 19th, 2006, 04:50 AM
I find it more amazing how Justine stans will go to great lengths to convince everyone that she could possibly be the best player of the decade when she has not even won Wimbledon(the biggest title in tennis).

And Justine could get injured tommorow. Keep that in mind.She could also win Wimbledon. It is certainly not a far stretch to suggest that she could be the best player of the decade when the decade is over.

Obviously it's a big deal to complete the career slam, and should certainly be a key (but not necessary) criterion for greatness (IMO, a career slam is worth another 2 or 3 slams). But Justine lacks just the one slam and is arguably closer to completing it than anyone since Serena. If we can't have the discussion with Justine, then we can't have it with anybody.

I don't put much stock into the relative weight of slams, only how many you have won, and how many different types you have won. E.g. Justine and Martina and Lindsay are level at 3, and Venus is at 2. It doesn't matter if say, the South Americans think RG is the greatest, or if the Americans think Wimbledon is better.

Denise4925
Jun 19th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Denise. MarJen is Julia1968. Remember that infamous poster?
No, actually MarJen is my buddy :hug:. No way is she Julia1968. We just don't agree on this topic, which is okay. ;)

pigam
Jun 19th, 2006, 07:45 PM
No, actually MarJen is my buddy :hug:. No way is she Julia1968. We just don't agree on this topic, which is okay. ;)
wow, this is nice!! :) and that in GM :yeah: :p
NOT agreeing with Denise, and still being your buddy, MarJen msut be really special :angel: ;)

G1Player2
Jun 19th, 2006, 07:51 PM
No, actually MarJen is my buddy :hug:. No way is she Julia1968. We just don't agree on this topic, which is okay. ;)

I guess I'll take your word for it although there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest otherwise. Julia1968 use to post at another board I no longer frequent so I am WELL aware of her posting style, her faves, and her sly way of getting digs on the WS. A couple people brought it to my attention but maybe I am reading too much into it, but MarJen is almost like a toned down version of Mrs. Julia. :lol:

Denise4925
Jun 19th, 2006, 08:28 PM
wow, this is nice!! :) and that in GM :yeah: :p
NOT agreeing with Denise, and still being your buddy, MarJen msut be really special :angel: ;)
No, she's just not an asshole like you :)

pigam
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:26 AM
No, she's just not an asshole like you :)
huh?
wow! you sure misinterpreted my post.

G1Player2
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:28 AM
huh?
wow! you sure misinterpreted my post.

:lol: You're actually one of the JHH fans I like.

Junex
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:46 AM
I guess I'll take your word for it although there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest otherwise. Julia1968 use to post at another board I no longer frequent so I am WELL aware of her posting style, her faves, and her sly way of getting digs on the WS. A couple people brought it to my attention but maybe I am reading too much into it, but MarJen is almost like a toned down version of Mrs. Julia. :lol:



i miss Julia......

she had contributed so much life in this board... :angel:

Denise4925
Jun 20th, 2006, 05:14 PM
huh?
wow! you sure misinterpreted my post.
I did misinterpret your post. Please accept my apology pigam. Are we still friends? :awww:

pigam
Jun 20th, 2006, 05:22 PM
I did misinterpret your post. Please accept my apology pigam. Are we still friends? :awww:
Bien sûr :p ;)

Denise4925
Jun 20th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Bien sûr :p ;)
:D Oh good :hug:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:43 PM
No, actually MarJen is my buddy :hug:. No way is she Julia1968. We just don't agree on this topic, which is okay. ;)

Yes, Denise and I are buddies :hug:

Denise is correct. We may not always agree, but there's much respect.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:45 PM
No, she's just not an asshole like you :)

Actually, Denise. Sometimes, I am an asshole :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:51 PM
I guess I'll take your word for it although there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest otherwise. Julia1968 use to post at another board I no longer frequent so I am WELL aware of her posting style, her faves, and her sly way of getting digs on the WS. A couple people brought it to my attention but maybe I am reading too much into it, but MarJen is almost like a toned down version of Mrs. Julia. :lol:

Didn't you say almost the exact same thing about Krystall just a couple or three weeks ago????

Don't know the girl, but she must have spooked the shit out of you. And if that's the case, more power to her :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

manu32
Jun 20th, 2006, 06:59 PM
only 3 years 1/2 in this decade......

Stamp Paid
Jun 20th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Justine is too beatable post Roland Garros to become the greatest player of this decade. :shrug:

JulesVerne
Jun 20th, 2006, 07:38 PM
Considering she has 5 grand slams in this decade so far compared to her main rivals Serena with 6 and Venus with 5 it is potentially possible. However, the 4 in a row for Serena is a difficult challenge to match. Justine has a very good chance of being the second best player of the decade behind Serena. Overall she has achieved as much as Venus this decade.

jj74
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Well if Serena don't return healthy to the circuit is possible that Justine become the greatest of the decade. She is one of the best at Roland Garros of all time like Venus is at Wimbledon

rjd1111
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Don't forget the Olympic Gold.

Its amazing how defensive some of you WS fans ge, the closer Justine gets to Serena in GS wins.

Re-read the title of the thread, which states Justine "could" become the greatest player of this decade. And I very much agree with that statement. Given Justine's results at the slams since June 2003 (5 wins and one olympic gold) and Serena's lack of motivation and weight gain, its very much a possiblity.

Anything is possible, but she's nowhere near that now.

She's been beaten 6 times in a row by a player Her fans say she is better
than.

There should be an asterisk on three of her Slams anyway. She cheated
to win a FO, and the USO and AO titles are a matter of her being the
mouse that played while the Cats were away.

rjd1111
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Don't forget the Olympic Gold.

Its amazing how defensive some of you WS fans ge, the closer Justine gets to Serena in GS wins.

Re-read the title of the thread, which states Justine "could" become the greatest player of this decade. And I very much agree with that statement. Given Justine's results at the slams since June 2003 (5 wins and one olympic gold) and Serena's lack of motivation and weight gain, its very much a possiblity.


Venus has 2 olympic golds

goldenboi356
Jun 20th, 2006, 08:49 PM
She cheated
to win a FO, and the USO and AO titles are a matter of her being the
mouse that played while the Cats were away.

if u put it that way then everyone who wins/won gs cheated because the compition isn't/wasn't there or lost early :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Denise4925
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Considering she has 5 grand slams in this decade so far compared to her main rivals Serena with 6 and Venus with 5 it is potentially possible. However, the 4 in a row for Serena is a difficult challenge to match. Justine has a very good chance of being the second best player of the decade behind Serena. Overall she has achieved as much as Venus this decade.
Serena has 7, and Venus won her grandslams when the best of the tour were playing. Justine didn't win US Open or the Australian Open under those circumstances.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM
Anything is possible, but she's nowhere near that now.

She's been beaten 6 times in a row by a player Her fans say she is better
than.

There should be an asterisk on three of her Slams anyway. She cheated
to win a FO, and the USO and AO titles are a matter of her being the
mouse that played while the Cats were away.

Didn't you get the memo? Anyone other than Venus and Serena that won a grand slam singles title either cheated or won because Venus and Serena weren't playing or were injured (with the exception of Maria Sharapova and Martina Hingis :eek: ).

Learn your tennis history. The only astericks applied to Grand Slam wins are by radical, illogical tennis fans whose whining is always disregarded by history as stupidity and bias. Apply your silly astericks all over your pimpled-ass all you like, but it will never infect tennis history. Never. :wavey:

bandabou
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:54 PM
She could be the most achieved one..that is Justine might well retire having won the most majors of the current generation, because she's so dominating on clay, can see her racking at least 2 more...but the greatest of this generation will always be Serena imo, because of her 4 in a row, 5 of 6 stretch. NOBODY has been that dominating in a looooonnng time and Justine surely lacks in that department. Time will tell...as Justine is still playing while Serena, well...

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Serena has 7, and Venus won her grandslams when the best of the tour were playing. Justine didn't win US Open or the Australian Open under those circumstances.

Hi, Denise :wavey:

Justine won 4/5 of her Grand Slam singles titles with Venus in attendance. Serena was smart and stayed away from 3/5 Justine won ;)

The only time Venus didn't play when Justine won was at the 2003 US Open, and it wouldn't have made a difference anyway because Venus hasn't won there in five years. :tape:

(Marjorie runs and hides)

Stamp Paid
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:06 PM
Hi, Denise :wavey:

Justine won 4/5 of her Grand Slam singles titles with Venus in attendance. Serena was smart and stayed away from 3/5 Justine won ;)

The only time Venus didn't play when Justine won was at the 2004 Australian Open, and it wouldn't have made a difference anyway because Venus never could win there. :tape:

(Marjorie runs and hides)

Venus played at the Australian Open in 2004, BTW.

Mother_Marjorie
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:25 PM
Venus played at the Australian Open in 2004, BTW.

Thanks. :wavey: I corrected it.

Denise4925
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:03 PM
Hi, Denise :wavey:

Justine won 4/5 of her Grand Slam singles titles with Venus in attendance. Serena was smart and stayed away from 3/5 Justine won ;)

The only time Venus didn't play when Justine won was at the 2004 Australian Open, and it wouldn't have made a difference anyway because Venus never could win there. :tape:

(Marjorie runs and hides)


What are you talking about? There you go spinning the facts again. Serena and Venus were the No. 1 and 2 players at the time she won her first two slams. Neither Venus or Serena played in 2003 US Open, after Serena sent her packing at Wimby that same year at Wimbledon with a bagel and a breadstick. Venus was coming back from a torn abdominal muscle injury when Justine won the AO and Serena was still out with her knee surgery. So, the two she won other then clay, were because the better players either didn't play or were coming back from an injury hiatus.

G1Player2
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Didn't you say almost the exact same thing about Krystall just a couple or three weeks ago????

Don't know the girl, but she must have spooked the shit out of you. And if that's the case, more power to her :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: I don't remember saying this and I am not even fond of Krystell's posts. And that REALLY tells me something that you actually remember my posts of things that I have either completely forgotten about, or didn't do what you accused me of in the firts place. BTW, Julia1968 did not spook me at all. Nobody here can SPOOK me as you put it. It's just that your faves were similar and so was the way you hated on the WS in a sneaky and sly way. But I can read between the lines. :)

G1Player2
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:52 PM
Hi, Denise :wavey:

Justine won 4/5 of her Grand Slam singles titles with Venus in attendance. Serena was smart and stayed away from 3/5 Justine won ;)

The only time Venus didn't play when Justine won was at the 2003 US Open, and it wouldn't have made a difference anyway because Venus hasn't won there in five years. :tape:

(Marjorie runs and hides)

What a load of :bs: So you say that Venus hasn't won the US Open in 5 years but we ARE talking about in 2003 so that would make it 2 years since Venus had won which is the timeline we are referring to. Don't use silly manipulated timelines to prove your point. Venus had REACHED 2 Grand Slam finals that year including the most recent slam at Wimbledon. Before the 2003 US Open Venus had REACHED the final 3 STRAIGHT times and reached at least the semi-final 6 STRAIGHT times. So for you to even come with even a whiff of conclusion that Venus wouldn't have gone into the 2003 US Open as a HEAVY favorite, if it wasn't for the abdominal injury, means that you are further in the twilight zone than I thought.

No Name Face
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:55 PM
no way, no how. part of being the best is dominating the competition. justine has an abysmal record against venus and serena.

Junex
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:01 AM
What are you talking about? There you go spinning the facts again. Serena and Venus were the No. 1 and 2 players at the time she won her first two slams. Neither Venus or Serena played in 2003 US Open, after Serena sent her packing at Wimby that same year at Wimbledon with a bagel and a breadstick. Venus was coming back from a torn abdominal muscle injury when Justine won the AO and Serena was still out with her knee surgery. So, the two she won other then clay, were because the better players either didn't play or were coming back from an injury hiatus.



I dnt think so...

get it together!!!!! :devil:


Wimbledon SF Serena beat Justine 6-3, 6-2...where is the bagel & Breadasticks your talking about... :confused:

during FO 2003

Serena #1
Kim #2
Venus #3
Justine #4


by Wimbledon 03:

Serena was #1 but Venus was #4 behind Kim & Justine

So i dnt get why your saying the WS are #1 & #2 when Justine won her first 2 GS throphies.

dav abu
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:04 AM
look it if Justine goes on from here and wins 3 or 4 more Slams before the end of the decade (which she is capable of) then for me she will be the player of the decade though I think it is vital that she would win Wimbledon. However as of now I don't have a crystal ball and despite her fall down the rankings right now Serena Williams is the player of this decade.

Denise4925
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:06 AM
I dnt think so...

get it together!!!!! :devil:


Wimbledon SF Serena beat Justine 6-3, 6-2...where is the bagel & Breadasticks your talking about... :confused:

during FO 2003

Serena #1
Kim #2
Venus #3
Justine #4


by Wimbledon 03:

Serena was #1 but Venus was #4 behind Kim & Justine

So i dnt get why your saying the WS are #1 & #2 when Justine won her first 2 GS throphies.
Well, I couldn't find the score between Serena and Justine at the '03 Wimby match, but Serena beat her so badly, it might as well have been a bagel and a breadstick. And maybe there were not 1 and 2 on paper, but in reality they were still the best two players on the tour.

Junex
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:09 AM
Maybe not on paper, but certainly in reality. They were still the best two players on the tour.



hah!

what an argument.... :worship:


genius at its best!!!! :rolleyes:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:10 AM
Before the arguement goes out of control, it's good for you all to remember that the topic says "Justine COULD become the greatest player of this decade"... not "Justine IS the greatest player of this decade".

;)

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:19 AM
There should be an asterisk on three of her Slams anyway. She cheated to win a FO, and the USO and AO titles are a matter of her being the
mouse that played while the Cats were away.

*Fist clenched together. Eyes read :bs: post. Information relayed to brain. Brain process information and concluded post is :bs: .Brain send instruction to middle finger of clenched fist. Middle finger slowly rises up and ends full stretched.*

This has to be the STUPIDEST, MOST RIDICULOUS post I've read for a very, very long time. :lol: :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha: :haha:

No logic, no substance. Just pure :bs:

Denise4925
Jun 21st, 2006, 02:43 AM
hah!

what an argument.... :worship:


genius at its best!!!! :rolleyes:
Oh, don't be such a snob. :rolleyes: Get a sense of humor.

Junex
Jun 21st, 2006, 03:00 AM
Oh, don't be such a snob. :rolleyes: Get a sense of humor.


:wavey: :angel:

littlebin
Jun 21st, 2006, 03:22 AM
Actually, I don't think Serena's 02-03 slam so impressive. Her slam was earned by her & her sisiter, not her alone.

It is very possible that Venus gave the finals to Serena with no much fights, especially in AO 2003, the last one of Serena Slam.

Denise4925
Jun 21st, 2006, 03:46 AM
Actually, I don't think Serena's 02-03 slam so impressive. Her slam was earned by her & her sisiter, not her alone.

It is very possible that Venus gave the finals to Serena with no much fights, especially in AO 2003, the last one of Serena Slam.
Now, here's a gem. :lol:

Martian KC
Jun 21st, 2006, 01:01 PM
Anything is possible, but she's nowhere near that now.

She's been beaten 6 times in a row by a player Her fans say she is better
than.

There should be an asterisk on three of her Slams anyway. She cheated
to win a FO, and the USO and AO titles are a matter of her being the
mouse that played while the Cats were away.

Wow, there's something new Hurley can put on his signature. :lol: