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rikvanlooy
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:34 AM
I am from Belgium and I was watching the BBC to hear the comments before the final.

I couldn't believe my ears when Barker started with claiming that the final was going to be held without the 'big names'. She mentioned eg. the Williamses and Sharapova. It was a surprising final with outsiders, according to her.

Look, I don't what she smoked, but that is simply ridiculous. Justine has played 7 slam finals and won 5. Sharapova has played one final (and won that one).

Sharapova is better known, but she is in no way as good as Justine.

pigam
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:36 AM
Justine Henin Hardenne is not a big name in tennis. Who are you kidding!
Besides RG is played on clay, and that isn't a real surface either, so why bother with RG.

Go Sue :yeah:


:lol: whatever ;) she probably was a bit confused, it's the age i think. i love you, sue ;)

Allez-H
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:39 AM
I was more bothered when they showed her pic with the RG-trophy, for like the millionth time and started to talk about that fab victory for 5 minutes :tape:

TomTennis
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:57 AM
Im sure she only meant in terms of popualarit for the general sports fans, NOT tennis fans. Every tennis fan knows who Henin Hardenne is, but for the 90% tuning into the BBC coeverage to watch it, they wont know. its plain and simple.

They turn on a womens final and expect to see the likes of Williams and Sharapova. Thats just the way the media has worked things.

Thats all she meant by it! :wavey:

saki
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:12 AM
I don't think it is fair to say that Justine isn't a name. My boyfriend who hates watching all sports and pays as little attention as possible to sports news asked me whether "the little Belgian with the pretty backhand" was in the RG final or the "Belgian who looks like a cross between a gymnast and a footballer". The last one, I thought was inspired given that he really didn't know who Kim's parents were!

E. Blackadder
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Sue just hold her non-Wimbledon sleep during 90% of the season, so that's why she's not familiar with anyone but Williams & Sharapova

Dani12
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:44 AM
People know who Henin-Hardenne is, believe me. She just isn't as popular as William Sisters and Sharapova.

Kimmi
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:47 AM
It's a Brittish thing. Unless it's Tim Henman or Andy Murray we have no idea who is playing.

Viktymise
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:48 AM
She also said is the Mystique gone out of tennis and i was like what is she talkin about, eh no of cousre its not, it was such a silly comment i mean RG wasnt great but it wasnt completley devoid of good matches or excitement but if vee was in the final im sure the other thing wouldnt have been said, i think Vaidisova's rise was bad for tennis and RG

Martian Martin
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:52 AM
Unfortunately Sue is like an awful lot of people that are involved in media in British tennis, they don't follow the game outside of the grass court season. The only ones that are worth listening to are the ones that are either on Eurosport or Sky because they are are covering a lot of tournaments.

Martian Stacey
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:53 AM
:haha: yeah Justine is no big name player :rolleyes: :cuckoo:

Monica_Rules
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:59 AM
Sue rules:) so shut up:p

No as someone said before Sues tennis knowledge is of the 70's or the grasscourt season. Antyhing out of that and she knows nothing.

disco_rage
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:25 PM
Sue has been wildly mis quoted here.. She said it lacked "most" of the big names... I'm sure she was referring to Kuznetsova more than Henin.

And as for the picture of her holding the trophy i've never seen that on the BBC and i watch it all the time, and as for her spending 5 mins talking about her victory, this was not true, she got embrassed when Virginia Wade mentioned it and only talked very briefly... And why shouldn't she, she won the bloddy thing, think she can talk about it!

Allez-H
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:30 PM
That's weird I watch bbc all the time when tennis is on and I can assure you it was NOT the first time I saw that pic. I'm not saying that she shouldn't talk about it and all, hey I like Sue and I like the BBC. But they always seem to be the best to go offtopic and start talking about Sue's win at FO, or Virginia's win at Wimby (how many times didn't I see those images?), or Timmy's - Andy's - Greg's amazing chances to win Wimby each year

The_Pov
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:36 PM
It's a Brittish thing. Unless it's Tim Henman or Andy Murray we have no idea who is playing.

Hey don't underestimate us, we know Greg Rusedski too!

SJW
Jun 16th, 2006, 12:59 PM
And the pretty lil American girl (what's her name again? Shaparaova?) and those two black twins too ;)

The_Pov
Jun 16th, 2006, 01:28 PM
And the pretty lil American girl (what's her name again? Shaparaova?) and those two black twins too ;)

Don't forget Kournikova and then you have 7 players we know :haha:

WF4EVER
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:01 PM
But on clay, Sue? She must've forgotten to take her pills, man.

How else can she discount Justine Henin-Hardenne on clay when she was vying for her third FO title in 4 years. Sue needs to get with program.

Unfortunately she's not the only one. SOme of the commentators can be so clueless it can piss you off. I swear, many of the posters here are a lot more informed than some of the tennis commentators. I heard Jimmy Arias (on ESPN Deportes) say during the first game of Venus-Vaidisova that Venus' weaknesses were here forehand and her movement. Huh? Her movement? Okay.

Then I heard another statement that Justine won the 06 AO. That was unthinkable considering the controversy surrounding that Final. Oh, dear.

During one commentray last year I hear Paul-Henri Mathieu had won Paris MAsters last year. Another totally incorrect statement.

We should start a thread, or is there one already, for all the wronginformation these people give out.

Granted, what Sue said was either grossly opinionated or totally misinformed, but some of the things these commentators say just make you have to wonder.

Carmen Mairena
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:48 PM
I was more bothered when they showed her pic with the RG-trophy, for like the millionth time and started to talk about that fab victory for 5 minutes :tape:

A legend's a legend I guess... :tape:

Helen Lawson
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Well, if she's related to Jess, she's probably a violent drunk, so anything goes when they've been drinking.

Carmen Mairena
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Hey don't underestimate us, we know Greg Rusedski too!

:haha:

V-MAC
Jun 16th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Sue :hug: :hearts: I won't tolerate people here dissing her :mad: She knows her stuff generally does Sue.

The Crow
Jun 16th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Britts and tennis, it will always be an odd combination :p

rjd1111
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I am from Belgium and I was watching the BBC to hear the comments before the final.

I couldn't believe my ears when Barker started with claiming that the final was going to be held without the 'big names'. She mentioned eg. the Williamses and Sharapova. It was a surprising final with outsiders, according to her.

Look, I don't what she smoked, but that is simply ridiculous. Justine has played 7 slam finals and won 5. Sharapova has played one final (and won that one).

Sharapova is better known, but she is in no way as good as Justine.


The Media continues to hype Sharapova. They portray her as the End-All
of WTA Tennis. Casual fans who only reads the papers or listen to
announcers probably think she wins everything. I read an Article a couple
of months ago that referred to her as the Wimbledon Champion.

Steffica Greles
Jun 16th, 2006, 08:54 PM
I am from Belgium and I was watching the BBC to hear the comments before the final.

I couldn't believe my ears when Barker started with claiming that the final was going to be held without the 'big names'. She mentioned eg. the Williamses and Sharapova. It was a surprising final with outsiders, according to her.

Look, I don't what she smoked, but that is simply ridiculous. Justine has played 7 slam finals and won 5. Sharapova has played one final (and won that one).

Sharapova is better known, but she is in no way as good as Justine.

It's no surprise. Sue Barker is an air head. She's made thousands of such comments over the years. They're not big names to her because she doesn't know anything about the game.

SelesFan70
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:10 PM
And the pretty lil American girl (what's her name again? Shaparaova?) and those two black twins too ;)


:lol: @ "black twins" It so true that so many people think V and S are interchangable!

Chrissie-fan
Jun 16th, 2006, 10:37 PM
It's no surprise. Sue Barker is an air head. She's made thousands of such comments over the years. They're not big names to her because she doesn't know anything about the game.

I find it hard to believe that an ex top 10 player like Sue Barker would know nothing about the game. She probably meant to say that Henin or Kuznetsova don't have the "star quality" of the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Hingis, even though they are brilliant tennis players. And considering the poor tv ratings she's probably right. That doesn't make a dumbo out of Sue but tells us a lot about how superficial the general public is.

As for Sue Barker winning the French in 1976, well, it's a wonderful achievement anyway, but let's not forget that in the mid-70's many of the big names such as Evert, Goolagong and King didn't compete at the French.

fnuf7
Jun 16th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Ah I love Sue! :yeah: The only thing I dislike is her unhealthy obsession with Tim and Andy Murray (I love the day when they get knocked out of Wimbledon, it means the BBC start showing the matches I actually want to watch :dance: :D ;) )

fifiricci
Jun 17th, 2006, 12:07 PM
Britts and tennis, it will always be an odd combination :p

And yet still Wimbly has the most allure and remains the envy of the world ;)

eck
Jun 17th, 2006, 01:27 PM
Who's Sue Barker? :p
Is she a big name?

fifiricci
Jun 17th, 2006, 03:15 PM
I am from Belgium and I was watching the BBC to hear the comments before the final.

I couldn't believe my ears when Barker started with claiming that the final was going to be held without the 'big names'. She mentioned eg. the Williamses and Sharapova. It was a surprising final with outsiders, according to her.

Look, I don't what she smoked, but that is simply ridiculous. Justine has played 7 slam finals and won 5. Sharapova has played one final (and won that one).

Sharapova is better known, but she is in no way as good as Justine.

Maybe next time you should stick to Belgian TV coverage and not listen in on British commentary (I don't think she is paid to defer to Belgian fans' uber-sensitivities). :D

Fantastic
Jun 17th, 2006, 03:24 PM
Sue knows what she's talking about on the subject. After all, when she won the French Open all those many moons ago, she wasn't exactly a "big name" herself. :p

Steffica Greles
Jun 17th, 2006, 04:31 PM
I find it hard to believe that an ex top 10 player like Sue Barker would know nothing about the game. She probably meant to say that Henin or Kuznetsova don't have the "star quality" of the Williams sisters, Sharapova or Hingis, even though they are brilliant tennis players. And considering the poor tv ratings she's probably right. That doesn't make a dumbo out of Sue but tells us a lot about how superficial the general public is.

As for Sue Barker winning the French in 1976, well, it's a wonderful achievement anyway, but let's not forget that in the mid-70's many of the big names such as Evert, Goolagong and King didn't compete at the French.

Nah, I'm afraid Sue Barker is always making those sort of comments. I remember her in 1997, when Iva Majoli had just reached the French Open final against Hingis, having been as high as 4 in the world not long earlier, saying that Majoli had only just broken through.

Seriously, Sue Barker is a terrible analyst.

rikvanlooy
Jun 21st, 2006, 10:43 AM
Sue has been wildly mis quoted here.. She said it lacked "most" of the big names... I'm sure she was referring to Kuznetsova more than Henin.



The problem is that this is your interpretation, because you know her claim is not correct for JHH, but we don't know what she really thought at that moment.

She could also include JHH.

BTW : If you have a look at the rest, you will find that they didn't think JHH was a dominating factor in the game.

They showed a list of the slam winners starting with the beginning of 2004. And, yes, we had different slam winners. Conclusion : there are no dominating players any more. She went on with asking which player would be the next "dominating" player. The began talking of Vaidisova. I found that this didn't really show a lot of respect towards JHH. If they had taken a list starting with 2003, you will see that JHH has been by far the best player.