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disposablehero
May 26th, 2002, 07:48 PM
Or, apparently we are supposed to. The day after absolutely crushing Sandrine Testud, Kim loses in straight sets to Justine, in a match where she was serving for the first set. Now she seems relegated to "Dark Horse" status for Roland Garros. So be it.

wongqks
May 26th, 2002, 07:53 PM
LOL well this is life in wtaworld board, you have to keep winning or people will discount you straight away.

But I think kim maybe a bit too inconsistent. She has a good draw and should go far, but a potential QF against Amelie or Sandrine is quite dangerous.

disposablehero
May 26th, 2002, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by wongqks
LOL well this is life in wtaworld board, you have to keep winning or people will discount you straight away.

Perhaps the truest words ever spoken on this board.

Infiniti2001
May 26th, 2002, 08:01 PM
LOL well this is life in wtaworld board, you have to keep winning or people will discount you straight away.


Amen Brother/Sister Friend <evil grin> I 'm actually in disbelief. :eek:

Hagar
May 26th, 2002, 08:12 PM
OK, 've got my scare for today. ;)

Sevenseas
May 26th, 2002, 08:13 PM
I think we should be more patient about Kim.

Let's wait and see...

Zamboni
May 26th, 2002, 08:16 PM
Kim and Justine make each other play their worst tennis. Their matches are just about who plays least bad ;) I don't think you can tell how good they are by their meetings!

thefreedesigner
May 26th, 2002, 08:22 PM
Those who forget about Kim will do so at their peril..... and yes, once again we see the 'reactionary' nature of this board.

Hagar
May 26th, 2002, 08:26 PM
BTW, where is Kim called dark horse?

disposablehero
May 26th, 2002, 08:43 PM
Well, Hagar, any talk I've seen puts Kim as no better than 5th favourite. Apparently she is suddenly light years behind Serena and Justine. So is everyone, apparently, except Jennifer in some forecasts.

irma
May 26th, 2002, 08:46 PM
who cares, she will show them:)
go Kimmy :bounce: :bounce:

Mazza
May 26th, 2002, 08:47 PM
It seems like no-one thinks Kim can win or be a runner up, dark horse.. whateva! I found this list.... hardly any Kim!

Mark Woodforde
French Open Doubles Winner 2000

Women’s Winner - Seles
Runner-up - Henin
Outsider - Clijsters
Doubles - Stubbs & Raymond


Tony Roche
French Open Winner 1966, Runner-up 1965, 1967, Semifinalist 1969.

Women's Winner - Serena
Runner-up - Capriati
Outsider - Hantuchova
Doubles - Stubbs & Raymond


John Newcombe
French Open Quarterfinalist 1969

Women’s Winner - Serena Williams
Runner-up - Capriati
Outsider - Mauresmo
Doubles - Stubbs & Raymond


Geoff Pollard
President of Tennis Australia

Women’s Winner - Capriati
Women’s Runner-up - Clijsters
Outsider - Henin
Doubles - Stubbs & Raymond

thefreedesigner
May 26th, 2002, 08:48 PM
dh, are you specifically talking about people on the board, or commentators in general?

irma
May 26th, 2002, 08:48 PM
same as last year, better result(and you know what that means;))

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 08:51 PM
ah well, at least the guy from Australia has some sense... well almost ;)

Fingon
May 26th, 2002, 08:53 PM
I haven't seen those comments but my general perception was that Kim, Justine, Venus and Serena are considered the top favourites to the title, all of them with about the same chances.

Personally I agree with that, I think the four have more chances than Jennifer or Monica and in anycase, the winner will be one of the top six.

Gonzo Hates Me!
May 26th, 2002, 08:58 PM
I am a Kim fan and I never expect too much from her on clay because hard court and grass are her favorite surfaces. 'Til this day, if she does really well on clay, it's a shock to me. And if she does really well at the French, it will be a shock to me. It was a shock to me last year, and I regret to say, she had a very helpful draw, but could she help it if the other seeds couldn't kick ass?! En tout cas, maybe I am a fool for thinking like that, but, that is how I think, unless Kim wins the French or she continually gets to quarters and semis on clay and doesn't lose to Anna Smashnova, hehe...

disposablehero
May 26th, 2002, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by thefreedesigner
dh, are you specifically talking about people on the board, or commentators in general?

Both. Commentators probably even more so.

Hagar
May 26th, 2002, 09:02 PM
If it makes her opponents underestimate her, I've got all of a sudden less problems with it. But I'm afraid that they do NOT consider Kim as a dark horse or outsider but rather as an INSIDER!

irma
May 26th, 2002, 09:02 PM
http://www.frenchopen.com/images/pics/large/bh_06_002.jpg

see the determination:)

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 09:03 PM
"I haven't seen those comments but my general perception was that Kim, Justine, Venus and Serena are considered the top favourites to the title, all of them with about the same chances."

I disagree with that. I've seen a lot of comments from posters along the lines of Venus, Serena, Jennifer and Justine being the favorites then Kim..

Hey Mrs_Guga :wavey: Well last year I was kind of shocked that Kim played so well at the French (:o) because like you said she prefers grass and hardcourts and didn't have a very good play season last year but now I'm no longer shocked at her good results :D

Gonzo Hates Me!
May 26th, 2002, 09:04 PM
I don't ever consider her a dark horse though...

I am just shocked if she can defeat Venus on clay. I was shocked!

Love the picture Irma!

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the picture irma... kinda bright red :(

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 09:06 PM
I was gone all day so maybe it was already mentioned but Kim was practicing with Jennifer this morning! I found this in an article:

Picking up where she left off in Paris, the top-seeded Capriati practiced Sunday morning with Kim Clijsters, the Belgian who lost that 1-6, 6-4, 12-10 marathon for the 2001 championship. The 22 games were the most in a third set of a French Open women's final, and the most in a third set of a major women's final since the 1948 U.S. Open.

Fingon
May 26th, 2002, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by angele87
"I haven't seen those comments but my general perception was that Kim, Justine, Venus and Serena are considered the top favourites to the title, all of them with about the same chances."

I disagree with that. I've seen a lot of comments from posters along the lines of Venus, Serena, Jennifer and Justine being the favorites then Kim..



ahem, how can you agree or disagree on what I have seen or haven't seem? :confused:

It seems you know better than me what I see.

now tell me, am I warn or cold? I am asking to know if I have to get more clothes on or not:p

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 09:13 PM
I was disagreeing about your general perception :P

Fingon
May 26th, 2002, 09:15 PM
I still need to know if I am warm or cold :p

Jakeev
May 26th, 2002, 09:18 PM
What I did not see mentioned in any post here was the fact that Kim may still be suffering from some nagging injuries.

This is what I find suspect in her game and not inconsistency.

irma
May 26th, 2002, 09:20 PM
yeah that's true but she said that if she would feel that she was not able to play her best she would pull out even if it was a grand slam so I guess when she plays she feels fine and is ready to go:)

angele87
May 26th, 2002, 09:21 PM
Jakeev, Kim seems to be able to play through the pain... she has been suffering for that shoulder injury for a while and was in pain when she reached the semis in oz and won in Hamburg :D

Fingon, considering the weather is kind of chilly here I`d say it`s a bit chilly where you are and that you are kind of cold but putting on a sweatshirt, preferably a dark green one, would help a lot :angel: :p

Fingon
May 26th, 2002, 09:23 PM
I have to add that I disagree that the win of Justine over Kim in Rome changes the foresight with regards to Kim, specially considering that Kim still leads the head-to-head against Justine 4-2.

But I have always seem, not only on this board but also in the media that they tend to consider the last result as valid to foresee the future, which is of course wrong.

Regarding Justine, before Berlin she wasn't considered at all as a serious candidate to the title in RG. Suddenly she wins a tier 1 and beats 3 top 5 players and she is one of the top favourites.

In her case, there is some true, she isn't a better player than she was before Berlin now, but she is a more confident player.

Kim's chances were disminished after her loss, that's not right, her chances are as good as they were before, but that's the way people tend to see things.

Think of Venus and Serena, before the european clay season, Venus was a hot candidate to win, Serena was nearly dismissed (I have to confess I was in that group). Then, Venus losses a final and suddenly she isn't the top favourite anymore (still a favourite though) and Serena reaches a final and wins another tournament and she is considered the front runner.

This happens all the time, if we had had a GS immediately after IW, then Daniela Hantuchova would have been a top favourite, people forgot Iva and Patty as well who had a great showing at the FCC, then they didn't have good results but people forget if they could play that well in FCC, they can do it at the FO as well.

Barrie_Dude
May 26th, 2002, 09:23 PM
:wavey: :kiss: :hearts: @ Angela!

I like Kims chances, though I'm thinking that Jennifer will take it all!

Williams Rulez
May 27th, 2002, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by wongqks
LOL well this is life in wtaworld board, you have to keep winning or people will discount you straight away.

But I think kim maybe a bit too inconsistent. She has a good draw and should go far, but a potential QF against Amelie or Sandrine is quite dangerous.

Excatly... Venus has already been discounted... she is like a non-contender now a days... ;)

And Kim too... :sad:

Richie77
May 27th, 2002, 06:38 AM
Whoever's discounting Kim needs to think again. We know she can beat just about anyone on clay. She is a contender to get to at least the final.

Hermione
May 27th, 2002, 08:16 AM
COME ON KIM!