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Alec
Jun 2nd, 2006, 02:15 PM
I'm just wondering this because we can see Na hits more winners, and MUCH MORE UEs which could destroy both her confidence and the patience of audience.

Her ranking is improving, but the reason may be that she has the talent. She deserves to be a top 15 player if there are no injuries and national games :mad:

Maybe she needs a better coach? :(

wukenaihe
Jun 2nd, 2006, 02:48 PM
CTA are not willing to afford a better coach.

1star
Jul 7th, 2006, 05:11 AM
http://www.cnhan.com/gb/content/2006-07/04/content_626092.htm[/url]

I read a news article from Na's hometown that her new coach since French Open is Bjorn from Danmark. It is said he is showing her how to serve and Na has improved a lot...

I saw Sun, director of CTA watching Na's match at Wimbelden. Someone might have mistaken her as Chen Li coach? It is said he takes every opportunity to consult to other tennis associations for good coaches.

The head coach Jiang, little known even in China as a tennis player, is always eager to put himself in the limelight, trying to represent everybody out there, muddling things up :o

He said early this year because the salary of the Swedish Thomas (who had stayed in China for two months last year) was too high, they signed contract with his assistant, Rikard instead...
Later he said Rikard was mainly responsible for physical training and European issues. But Rikard was found to be coaching techniques by some reporters.
http://sports.sohu.com/20060420/n242902213.shtml

During FO, a lot of Chinese media claimed a Swedish Thomas became Na's new coach by mistake? (Danish Thomas?)
http://news.baidu.com/ns?word=%C0%EE%C4%C8+%C8%F0%B5%E4%D0%C2%CD%E2%BD%C C+cont:688289614&cl=1&tn=news&rn=30
But Jiang did not mention about the foreign coaches to clear things up in his current interviews during Wimbelden!

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Update:
http://sports.tom.com/2006-08-02/070S/86229183.html
Jiang: “As stipulated, Peng Shuai’s schedules should be submitted to me but I haven't seen any of her schedules, I will talk to her when we meet in US.”
Peng:(in another interview)All my tournament schedules are open and can be found on WTA website.

Asked why they got to play tier 4 in Sweden before US Open, he said as silver players, they must attend at least two tier 4 tournaments. (Actually they had already played two tier 4 tournaments before that.)

Alec
Jul 7th, 2006, 05:49 AM
Sounds like Jiang really sucks :mad:

anyway I'm happy that Na has a new coach now :bounce:

Hope this guy can work with Na for a long time

1star
Jul 8th, 2006, 04:53 AM
i think they've learnt a lot from Peng Shuai's coaches how to choose matches wisely since last year :rolleyes:

Being criticised for always bringing all players into the same tournament, they are doing someting different now, but insanely. :(

How come Sun TianTian entered Los Angeles Tier II event (like Peng Shuai) while Na and Jie/Zi have to go to a Tier 4 event far in Sweden before US open? Na should play in the TierII while TianTian in Tier 4. :o

It's 2nd time that Na has to follow Jie/Zi instead of Ting/TianTian or Shuai :mad: :o
I hope one of these days Na can select her won matches like Shuai. :cool:

Damn Jiang, you stupid jerk!!! :mad: :fiery:

Shine On Silver Moon
Jul 8th, 2006, 05:08 AM
i think they've learnt a lot from Peng Shuai's coaches how to choose matches wisely since last year :rolleyes:

Being criticised for always bringing all players into the same tournament, they are doing someting different now, but insanely. :(

How come Sun TianTian entered Los Angeles Tier II event (like Peng Shuai) while Na and Jie/Zi have to go to a Tier 4 event far in Sweden before US open? Na should play in the TierII while TianTian in Tier 4. :o

It's 2nd time that Na has to follow Jie/Zi instead of Ting/TianTian or Shuai :mad: :o
I hope one of these days Na can select her won matches like Shuai. :cool:

Damn Jiang, you stupid jerk!!! :mad: :fiery: I agree with ur comment. When China played Fed Cup in Jakarta, I saw myself several times how unfriendly Jiang was...Poor Na, Jie, Zi and Shuai...they are good girls! China has been good for many years for women and especially after good funding in the last 4 years, they are really rocking then now...;)

drake3781
Jul 8th, 2006, 06:27 AM
If we are talking about the same person, Shuai gave an interview after a recent event (forget which one) and when asked about her coach she said "Pikard" but maybe I heard it wrong and it was "Rikard". Then the interviewer said "Delray Pikard"? And Shuai said "yes". I assumed "Delray Pikard" meant the Pikard she knew when she lived and trained in Delray Beach Florida.

Anyway, Shuai really, really likes this guy, and they know each other well and he helps her a lot with fitness, and she was sooo glad to get him back. See the interview in her forum to see what she said about him, and maybe it is the same guy you are talking about here who works with Na.

Pasta-Na
Jul 8th, 2006, 06:39 AM
i dont know if he is good. but na li is really talented and she deserves to have a good coach to lead her to be in top 10 :D

1star
Jul 8th, 2006, 07:06 AM
drake3781,

Yes, I'm talking about Shuai's former coaches, two of them, one Taiwanese and another from Czech, "Delray Pikard"? I'm not sure of his English name.

No, I think they never coach any other Chinese players in national team so far. They helped some players in Shuai's provincial team before.

Na's former short period coach Rikart Alogrin, was actually coaching all the players in the team. Before Shuai brought back her former coach, Na's coach helped her when in fitness training and techniques as well before Fed cup or whenever she was with the team.

Pasta-Na
Jul 8th, 2006, 11:43 AM
hope na li can be in top 15 after USO :D

1star
Jul 9th, 2006, 06:00 PM
I agree with ur comment. When China played Fed Cup in Jakarta, I saw myself several times how unfriendly Jiang was...Poor Na, Jie, Zi and Shuai...they are good girls! China has been good for many years for women and especially after good funding in the last 4 years, they are really rocking then now...;)He joined national team in 2005...He criticised Na several times after China Open. "She's always losing temper and complaining about others after losing matches..." :eek:
He felt pressure and had to change attitude when Peng Shuai stood out against the coaching end last year.

The players are not as submisive as appear to be. In China, tennis is not like table tennis or badminton with a lot of good players and coaches. Even Jie can throw in some negative remark on coaching.

I think except for such Febcup, there's no need have a head coach around, who is in some way hindering the work of players and coaches. Because he's supposed to monitor others, they got to team up for same journaments? What can he do if we have 10 top100 players?

Shuai is an exception, out of their control. Ting/TianTian play tier2 to gain experience in doubles for Olympics.
I dont know if Na likes to play as many Tier4 events as Jie/Zi. They play the same tournaments so that Jiang, ChenLi and the foreign coach can travel together? :rolleyes:

1star
Jul 9th, 2006, 06:06 PM
...Maybe she needs a better coach? :(Maybe you can change the thread title now. Here we are not only talking about Rikart Alogrin but also other relevant coaches. ;)

Alec
Jul 9th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Maybe you can change the thread title now. Here we are not only talking about Rikart Alogrin but also other relevant coaches. ;)


Is this new title ok?

Pasta-Na
Jul 9th, 2006, 07:16 PM
hope she will have a bigger serve and forehand too... sure can be top 10 :D

pierce0415
Jul 11th, 2006, 06:06 PM
OK who is Na's coach?

Chen Li?
Rikart Alogrin?
Bjorn Hilberg?

Alec
Jul 11th, 2006, 06:12 PM
OK who is Na's coach?

Chen Li?
Rikart Alogrin?
Bjorn Hilberg?


According to wta, it's Bjorn Hilberg :cool:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

1star
Jul 13th, 2006, 12:03 PM
The former coach, Thomas Hogsted with his assistant, Rikart Alogrin, stayed in China for two months till AO.
He has experience in coaching 3 of the ATP top10 players and is now Thommy Haas' coach.
His own career high is top38 in 1983.

Rikart Alogrin stayed in China for another two months?? An admin in a Chinese website saw Na and Shuai practising with Rikart in AO and talked to him. Richard said he was mainly coaching Na and Shuai.
Dont understand why Jiang said if Peng chose to stay in the team, she could share this coach with Na after Ao... and before FO he said he said he was mainly responsible for European issues as mentioned above...
http://news.baidu.com/ns?word=%C8%F0%B5%E4%CD%E2%BD%CC%C0%ED%B2%E9%B5%C2 ++%C0%EE%C4%C8+%C5%ED%CB%A7+&tn=news&from=news&ie=gb2312&bs=%C0%EE%C4%C8+%C5%ED%CB%A7+%C8%F0%B5%E4%BD%CC%C1 %B7%C0%ED%B2%E9%B5%C2&sr=0&cl=2&rn=20&ct=0

Who is Bjorn Hilberg then? I searched in atptennis but got no info of him as a player. :(
Is he a good coach? Who he has coached before. How he can help Na? :unsure:

pierce0415
Jul 13th, 2006, 02:10 PM
I saw Bjorn Hilberg on TV during the Na / Kim match ... he seems to be very young (under 40 years old) ...

not sure about his experience but if he can teach Na how to serve, then I think he is good coach

pierce0415
Jul 13th, 2006, 02:12 PM
Sterke Chinese opmars op de tennisbaanVan onze verslaggever Mark van Driel


LONDEN - Aan tafeltennis heeft Na Li zich nooit gewaagd. Zij speelde als kind badminton, totdat een vooruitstrevende coach suggereerde dat ze misschien aanleg zou hebben voor tennis. (javascript:popUp2('http://zoek.volkskrant.nl/alert-help','-','0','0','0','0','0','1','500','500'))


‘De coach zag iets in mijn manier van slaan’, zegt Li met behulp van een tolk nadat ze als eerste Chinese is doorgedrongen tot de vierde ronde van Wimbledon. Het gras ligt de 24-jarige speelster, die bij de laatste zestien gezelschap kan krijgen van haar landgenote Shuai Peng.

De Chinezen veroveren de tennisbanen, net als de Russinnen enkele jaren geleden. Vier jaar geleden stond er niet één speelster in de tophonderd, inmiddels zijn het er zes. Li stond vorige week dertigste op de wereldranglijst, maar zal door haar sterke debuut in Londen klimmen naar de hoogste positie die een Chinese heeft bekleed.

Zonder hulp van de tolk onthult Li wat de sleutel tot het succes is: ‘hard work’. Slechts een andere keer antwoordt ze spontaan in het Engels. Op de vraag wie de 56 duizend euro prijzengeld zal opstrijken, reageert ze met een kordaat: ‘Secret.’

De terughoudendheid werkt nauwelijks. Het is een publiek geheim dat een deel van het prijzengeld terugvloeit naar de Chinese staat, de drijvende kracht achter de Chinese opmars. De overheid heeft de sport, die lange tijd gold als een verderfelijk kapitalistisch tijdverdrijf, tot een speerpunt gemaakt sinds tennis op het olympische programma is gezet (1988). In 2008 worden de Spelen in Peking gehouden.

Twee jaar geleden werd het eerste, uiterst onverwachte succes gevierd. Het Chinese vrouwendubbel won de gouden medaille bij de Spelen van Athene. Sindsdien hebben andere speelsters naam gemaakt in het WTA-circuit, waar ze diverse toernooien in het enkel- en dubbelspel wisten te winnen. In januari van dit jaar won een Chinees dubbel bij de Australian Open voor het eerst een Grand Slamtitel.

Binnen het tenniscircuit vormen ze een gesloten club. Ze trekken de wereld over als een nationale sportploeg en gaan uniform gekleed. Alle speelsters dragen dezelfde kleren: wit en blauw zijn de hoofdkleuren van het tenue dat door Nike wordt geleverd. De vrouwen spelen allemaal in een korte broek, niet in een rokje.

Maar het lijkt tot de Chinezen, die nauwelijks ervaring hebben met toptennis, door te dringen dat ze buitenlandse hulp nodig hebben om in het enkelspel de top te bereiken. Li wordt sinds kort begeleid door de Deense coach Bjorn Hilberg, die zijn pupil na haar overwinning op de Russin Svetlana Koetsnetsova omschreef als ‘zeer geconcentreerd en zeer vastberaden’.

Shuai Peng, de 20-jarige Chinese die zich vandaag probeert te plaatsen voor de vierde ronde, heeft een Tsjechische coach en verblijft enige maanden per jaar in Florida. Daar traint ze met toestemming van de staat op het complex van IMG, het sportmanagementbureau dat talenten opleidt en de Chinese markt heeft ontdekt. Volgens een employee van IMG zullen dit jaar twintig Chinese tieners arriveren voor een tennisopleiding die niet door de staat wordt gefinancierd, maar door het bedrijf.

Tijdens haar verblijf in Florida heeft Peng voldoende Engels geleerd om zichzelf zonder tolk verstaanbaar te maken. Net als Na Li schrijft ze het succes toe aan hard werken.

Ze trainen, net als de succesvolle Russinnen, uren op het perfectioneren van hun harde slagen vanuit het achterveld: ‘In de morgen van acht tot half twaalf op de baan, in de middag van half drie tot zes. Ik vind het niet leuk. Twee of drie uur is voor mij wel genoeg.’

Peng, de nummer 37 van de wereld, geldt bij de volgzame Chinezen als een rebel. Zij heeft zich volgens berichten op Engelstalige websites over China eerder dit jaar kritisch uitgelaten over het verplicht moeten afstaan van prijzengeld: het zou gaan om tenminste 65 procent van alle verdiensten. Ook zou ze graag vrij zijn om sponsorcontracten af te sluiten en haar eigen trainer aan te stellen.

De speelster is voor haar uitlatingen publiekelijk berispt. Ze reageert voorzichtig als het onderwerp ter sprake wordt gebracht, want haar toekomst is onzeker als ze zich onmogelijk maakt bij de nationale ploeg. ‘We krijgen wel iets van het prijzengeld. Meer kan ik er niet over zeggen. Ik kan beter mijn mond houden.’

Of de Chinezen in het spoor van de Russinnen de absolute top zullen bereiken, is lastig te voorspellen. Officieel ligt hun prioriteit niet bij de Grand Slams, maar bij de Olympische Spelen. Vorig jaar moesten de speelsters Wimbledon zelfs laten schieten om te kunnen uitkomen bij de China Games, de Chinese variant van de Spelen.

Olympisch goud in het dubbelspel is volgens de staatsleer belangrijker dan de winst van Wimbledon, weet Peng, die uiterst bescheiden is over haar verdere kansen in Londen. ‘Ik kijk steeds maar een ronde vooruit.’

1star
Jul 13th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I also searched out the above article 2 days ago but didnt understand Danish. :lol: :tape: :help:

pierce0415
Jul 13th, 2006, 06:13 PM
I also searched out the above article 2 days ago but didnt understand Danish. :lol: :tape: :help:

I speak German, which is very similar to Danish ... this article dosen't say much at all ... :o

Alec
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:41 AM
I speak German, which is very similar to Danish ... this article dosen't say much at all ... :o


Could anyone translate the article into English? :)

drake3781
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:19 AM
This is a poor translation but you can get some of the meaning and some sentences are ok.

Strong Chinese opmars on of our report donor the mark of Driel LONDON - to table tennis has after Li itself never hazardous. She played as a child bath minus barrel, until progressive coach suggested that she perhaps construction for tennis. ` the coach saw beating something in my manner of, say Li using an interpreter after she has penetrated as first Chinese to the fourth round of Wimbledon. The grass lies the person whose birthday it isperson whose birthday it is person whose birthday it is speelster, who at the last sixteen gezelschap can get of its landgenote Shuai Peng. The Chinezen to conquer the courts, suffered just like the russinnen some years. Four years suffered speelster there not one in top hundred stood, meanwhile it are there six.
Li stood last week thirtieth on the world rankingses, but by its strong debuut in London will climb to the highest position which has held Chinese. Without aid of the interpreter Li reveal what is the key to the success: ` hard work. Only another time answers them spontaneously in English. To the question who the 56 thousand euro will pocket price money, she reacts with firm: ` Secret. The reservation hardly works. It is publicly secret that a part of the price money flows back to the Chinese state, the floating strength behind the Chinese opmars. The government the sport, which was considered for a long time as a corrupting capitalist pastime, has turned into a javelin point since tennis on the Olympic programme has been put (1988). In 2008, the game in peking is kept.

Two years suffered the first, extremely unexpected success was celebrated. The Chinese vrouwendubbel won gouden the medal at the game of Athens. Other speelsters have since then made name in Wta-circuit, true them several tournaments only - and could win dubbelspel. In January of this year Chinese twice at the Australian for the first time Grand Slamtitel won. Within the tennis circuit they form a closed club. Them overtrekken the world as a national sport plough and uniform will be dressed. All speelsters carry the same kleren: blank and blue is the head colours of the tenue which is provided by Nike. The women do not play all in a short trousers, in rokje.
But it seems to the Chinezen, which have hardly experience with top tennis, that to penetrate they have to foreign aid necessary in the enkelspel reach the top. Li are recently accompanied by the Danish coach Bjorn Hilberg, which its orphan defined Koetsnetsova after its victory on the russin Svetlana as ` very concentrated and very resolute. Shuai Peng, the 20 person whose birthday it is Chinese who today tries himself place for the fourth round, has Czech coach and stays some months per year in Florida. There she trains with authorisation of the state on the complex of IMG, the sport management office that trains brio and the Chinese market has discovered. According to a employee of IMG this year twenty Chinese teenagers will arrive for a tennis training which is not financed by the state, but by the company.

During its stay in Florida Peng have learned making sufficient English themselves without interpreter audible. Just like after Li she attributes the success to hard work. They train, just like the successful russinnen, hours on perfecting their hard battles from the achterveld: ` in the morning of eight up to half twelve on the job, in the afternoon of half three up to six. I find it not nice. Two or three hours are for me as much as enough. Peng, number 37 of the world, is considered at the obedient Chinezen as a rebel. She has critically expressed according to bulletins on English-speaking person Internet sites concerning China year earlier this concerning obliges himself must cede of price money: it would concern at least 65 per cent of all merits. Also she would be gladly free conclude sponsorcontracten and its own coach to appoint. The speelster has been reprehended publicly for its remarks.
She reacts carefully if the subject is brought for the talk, because its future is uncertain if she makes himself impossible at the national plough. ` we get, however, something of the price money. More cannot say I. I can keep better my mouth. If the Chinezen in the track of the russinnen will reach the absolute top, is predict. Officially their priority does not lie at the Grand Slams, but at the Olympic game. Previous year had even let shoot to the speelsters to Wimbledon to be able end up at the China games, the Chinese alternative of the game. Olympic gold in the dubbelspel is according to state leathers than the profit of Wimbledon, weet more important Peng, which is extremely records concerning its further chances in London. ` I look ahead always but a round.

1star
Jul 14th, 2006, 11:48 AM
Thanks for translating the article. It's so great you understand Daaanish! :eek: :wavey:

Um, this article is all about the Chinese tennis and players with little info of the Danish coach ;)

drake3781
Jul 16th, 2006, 01:59 AM
Thanks for translating the article. It's so great you understand Daaanish! :eek: :wavey:

Um, this article is all about the Chinese tennis and players with little info of the Danish coach ;)

I put it thru an online translator, I don't know Danish :lol: . That's why it's so poor. But we can get a little info from it.

Pasta-Na
Jul 16th, 2006, 02:42 AM
tennis god :angel:

Alec
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Thanks a lot Drake3781

Pasta-Na
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:35 PM
I saw Bjorn Hilberg on TV during the Na / Kim match ... he seems to be very young (under 40 years old) ...

not sure about his experience but if he can teach Na how to serve, then I think he is good coach

sex? :angel:

Pasta-Na
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:36 PM
I put it thru an online translator, I don't know Danish :lol: . That's why it's so poor. But we can get a little info from it.

:rolleyes: learn it then

1star
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Na got a new coach called Tyson, who has coached Todd Woodbridge before. Woodbridge won 83 doubles titles :eek:

He's been coaching Men Juniors Team in China since 2004 intended for 2008 Olympic? He just switched to coach Na from this hard court season. :cool:

A source (http://sports.sina.com.cn/s/2005-09...38663946s.shtml) has it that his own highest singles is top 42.
But i found no clue about it from atptennis! Anybody got any info of this Todd Woodbridge's former coach as a player? What is his full name? Desmond Tyson or Des Tyson or ?? :unsure: ;)

Some business brokers are working closely with CTA introducing coaches :lol:
Yan/Zhang’s new coach, Samdon, is also from Austrilia,whose highest career doubles ranking is top5.

1star
Nov 23rd, 2006, 09:47 AM
'Applying for a job'
Chang frustrated in his attempt to help China tennis

SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- Michael Chang is frustrated in his attempt to help China's tennis players prepare for the Beijing Olympics.

"It's not as easy as my coming in and saying I'd like to help," he said.

Chang won the French Open in 1989 at 17 and was once ranked No. 2. The Chinese-American is heralded as being responsible for the surge of tennis in not only China but all of East Asia.

"I feel like some of my experiences can help them improve," he said. "They've done very well, especially in women's doubles, but have come up short against the top players in singles."

Li Ting and Sun Tiantian won the women's doubles gold medal at the Athens Olympics in 2004. Zheng Jie is ranked third in the world in doubles and Yan Zi is fourth. Li Na, at No. 21, is the highest-ranked singles player from China while Jie is No. 33 and Peng Shuai is No. 56.

"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for China to show the world what it can do," Chang said.

Chinese media reported that Chang met with Sun Jinfang, director of China's tennis federation, about coaching the Chinese at the 2008 Games. Sun reportedly said Chang had no coaching track record and no arrangement had been reached. She said she would have to see concrete coaching proposals from Chang.

"It almost sounded like I was applying for a job," Chang said, making it clear it was not. "I want to share my experiences with their coaches and players."

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

1star
Nov 23rd, 2006, 09:49 AM
Latest News--Sept.23, 2006

CTA announced they welcome Change’s participation. Although they already hired 4 foreign coaches they are all on short term missions. Because it is near the Asian Games and they will have to further negotiate it with Chang after Asian Games….;)

Pasta-Na
Nov 27th, 2006, 11:02 AM
Latest News--Sept.23, 2006

CTA announced they welcome Change’s participation. Although they already hired 4 foreign coaches they are all on short terms. Because it is near the Asian Games and they will have to further negotiate it with Chang after Asian Games….;)

not sure if he will be hired though :o

1star
Nov 29th, 2006, 11:30 AM
also, CTA needed michael chang to sign something to make sure China will win the gold metal in Singles if he wants to coach na li or shuai peng :rolleyes:I also read the article, looking like gossip heard on the streets and told on the roads since there are no quotation marks at all. Anyway i would rather believe most of it. :(

Since it was secret meeting only between Sun and Michael Chang (with his Mother interpreter), nobody can say he or she know the truth behind the scene.:cool:

Pasta-Na
Nov 29th, 2006, 11:35 AM
well, he or his mother did tell the Media that Sun and CTA representatives was late for around 30 mins.

1star
Nov 29th, 2006, 01:18 PM
Jiang was jeered by fans for comparing some players to peasant millionaires (bad temperament) in his interview after WO. Actually he also made his evasive remark about foreign coaches as below::cool:

http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2006-07-17/15152345523.shtml

"冬训的时候我们请过两个体能教练,两个技术教练,近年来我们请外教的效果并不理想,也不断在换人。毕竟要请 大牌的,知名的教练并不现实,他们要价实在太高了。所以中方教练和外籍教练之间会产生一些矛盾,咱们的有些 教练就会认为,其实他们(外籍教练)水平高不了多少,甚至差不多,凭什么他们拿那么高的薪酬?训练中配合不 够默契,出现过几次不欢而散的结果。我觉得在教练问题上要灵活对待,自己不能妄自菲薄,也不能说外籍教练一 无是处。应该不断否定自己,在变化中找到最佳解决办法.。
"今后我们的外籍教练要短期和长期相结合,重点要加强体能训练..."

Jiang: “During winter training, we hired two fitness instructors, two technical coaches. The foreign coaches we have hired are not ideal in recent years. We are constantly changing. After all, to hire the well-known coaches is not realistic since he price is too high.

There are some conflicts between domestic coaches and foreign coaches. Domestic coaches think they (foreign coaches) are not on much higher level, or even very close, so how can they take such higher salaries? Therefore they could not cooperate tacitly. There were several cases of contracts ended up on a sour note.

I think we should treat the issue flexibly, we dont have to put ourselves down, look down ourselves. On the other hand, we can not say the foreign coaches useless. We should continue to deny and to find the best solution in the changes.
We will combine short-term and long-term foreign coaches. The key is to strengthen the physical training…”

drake3781
Nov 30th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Jiang was jeered by fans for comparing some players to peasant millionaires (bad temperament) in his interview after WO. Actually he also made his evasive remark about foreign coaches as below::cool:

http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2006-07-17/15152345523.shtml

"冬训的时候我们请过两个体能教练,两个技术教练,近年来我们请外教的效果并不理想,也不断在换人。毕竟要请 大牌的,知名的教练并不现实,他们要价实在太高了。所以中方教练和外籍教练之间会产生一些矛盾,咱们的有些 教练就会认为,其实他们(外籍教练)水平高不了多少,甚至差不多,凭什么他们拿那么高的薪酬?训练中配合不 够默契,出现过几次不欢而散的结果。我觉得在教练问题上要灵活对待,自己不能妄自菲薄,也不能说外籍教练一 无是处。应该不断否定自己,在变化中找到最佳解决办法.。
"今后我们的外籍教练要短期和长期相结合,重点要加强体能训练..."

Jiang: “During winter training, we hired two fitness instructors, two technical coaches. The foreign coaches we have hired are not ideal in recent years. We are constantly changing. After all, to hire the well-known coaches is not realistic since he price is too high.

There are some conflicts between domestic coaches and foreign coaches. Domestic coaches think they (foreign coaches) are not on much higher level, or even very close, so how can they take such higher salaries? Therefore they could not cooperate tacitly. There were several cases of contracts ended up on a sour note.

I think we should treat the issue flexibly, we dont have to put ourselves down, look down ourselves. On the other hand, we can not say the foreign coaches useless. We should continue to deny and to find the best solution in the changes.
We will combine short-term and long-term foreign coaches. The key is to strengthen the physical training…”

One thing the Chinese domestic coaches may not understand is that the difference in salary is not only reflective of difference in skills, but the foreign coaches come from a place with a more costly economy and standard of living.

For example, my salary as a US citizen is about 3x what the same salary would be in Argentina and maybe 4x what it would be for a Thai person.

On the other hand if I were to work in England or Japan, I would need to be paid more - 2x maybe - in order to break even with the excess costs of living there vs. the US.

I don't know the equivalent for Chinese, and it depends on the home location of the foreign coach, but there is likely a big difference, and people need to understand that.

Also if the foreign coach is expected to live in China for a time, this is a hardship and people expect to be compensated for that above the payment for their time working.

Pasta-Na
Nov 30th, 2006, 12:59 AM
Jiang was jeered by fans for comparing some players to peasant millionaires (bad temperament) in his interview after WO. Actually he also made his evasive remark about foreign coaches as below::cool:

http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2006-07-17/15152345523.shtml

"冬训的时候我们请过两个体能教练,两个技术教练,近年来我们请外教的效果并不理想,也不断在换人。毕竟要请 大牌的,知名的教练并不现实,他们要价实在太高了。所以中方教练和外籍教练之间会产生一些矛盾,咱们的有些 教练就会认为,其实他们(外籍教练)水平高不了多少,甚至差不多,凭什么他们拿那么高的薪酬?训练中配合不 够默契,出现过几次不欢而散的结果。我觉得在教练问题上要灵活对待,自己不能妄自菲薄,也不能说外籍教练一 无是处。应该不断否定自己,在变化中找到最佳解决办法.。
"今后我们的外籍教练要短期和长期相结合,重点要加强体能训练..."

Jiang: “During winter training, we hired two fitness instructors, two technical coaches. The foreign coaches we have hired are not ideal in recent years. We are constantly changing. After all, to hire the well-known coaches is not realistic since he price is too high.

There are some conflicts between domestic coaches and foreign coaches. Domestic coaches think they (foreign coaches) are not on much higher level, or even very close, so how can they take such higher salaries? Therefore they could not cooperate tacitly. There were several cases of contracts ended up on a sour note.

I think we should treat the issue flexibly, we dont have to put ourselves down, look down ourselves. On the other hand, we can not say the foreign coaches useless. We should continue to deny and to find the best solution in the changes.
We will combine short-term and long-term foreign coaches. The key is to strengthen the physical training…”

i think CTA can solve this problem by hiring michael chang as a coach. Firstly, he is a well-known player. Secondly, he is Chinese :p Domestic coaches may not think he is a foreign coach :haha:

drake3781
Nov 30th, 2006, 01:18 AM
i think CTA can solve this problem by hiring michael chang as a coach. Firstly, he is a well-known player. Secondly, he is Chinese :p Domestic coaches may not think he is a foreign coach :haha:


:rolleyes:

1star
Nov 30th, 2006, 12:25 PM
One thing the Chinese domestic coaches may not understand is that the difference in salary is not only reflective of difference in skills, but the foreign coaches come from a place with a more costly economy and standard of living.

For example, my salary as a US citizen is about 3x what the same salary would be in Argentina and maybe 4x what it would be for a Thai person.

On the other hand if I were to work in England or Japan, I would need to be paid more - 2x maybe - in order to break even with the excess costs of living there vs. the US.

I don't know the equivalent for Chinese, and it depends on the home location of the foreign coach, but there is likely a big difference, and people need to understand that.

Also if the foreign coach is expected to live in China for a time, this is a hardship and people expect to be compensated for that above the payment for their time working.A lot of foreigners are working in China now and their salaries vary from person to person and country to country.
I don’t think our domestic coaches were seriously finding faults with the foreign coaches salaries. They worry about their own bowls though. That's probably Jiang’s personal view and he would not state it directly.

Jiang joined National Team in Dec.2004 or Jan. 2005. Team 1 did not hire foreign coaches from after 2004 Olympics to Nov 2005 (Men's Junior hired a foreign coach who became Na's coach.) until Na made her resentment open in China Open (It is said Na wanted her provincial coach back.)followed by the “fly solo”incident of Shuai.

Na did not have stable personal coach for years. The problem seems to be that everyone wants to be her coach. National coaches divide a percentage of the players prize money. Don’t know if any officials are taking kickback from hiring coaches and that’s another issue.

Jiang initially intended to coach both Li Na and Peng Shuai. He announced to be Na and Shuai’s (temporary) coach end last year when Shuai returned and stayed National team for one or two months. However Shuai (also Li) was against the idea from the beginning and insisted on selecting her own coaches and tournaments. Later CTA promised to hire foreign coaches and Na remained in National team. But Shuai went her own way.

1star
Nov 30th, 2006, 12:51 PM
i think CTA can solve this problem by hiring michael chang as a coach. Firstly, he is a well-known player. Secondly, he is Chinese :p Domestic coaches may not think he is a foreign coach :haha:There're a lot of complications. Have you read the comment from the former national coach, Wang Liangzuo?

前主教练认为张德培难开心
前天晚上,解说嘉宾张德培来到转播区拜会前国家网球队主教练王良佐。

王良佐不担心张德培能成为一个优秀的解说员,但不看好张德培的国家队教练前程。他认为,张德培从小在美国长 大,并不熟悉中国较为复杂的人际关系。

“对于张德培这样一个拿过大满贯的著名选手,不管在哪里都是一笔宝贵的财富。张德培有那么丰富的经验,又有 那么好的观众缘,肯定所有人都非常欢迎他能够回来。但是我又觉得,我们这里的办事风格他很陌生,能完全适应 吗?”王良佐忧心忡忡地说道。“我想,他如果真的来了,可能一开始会度过一段蜜月期,但经过了这段蜜月期后 ,他未必会很开心。”

The night before last, guest commentator, Michael Chang paid a call on the former national coach, Wang Liangzuo in the broadcast area. (quitted national team in 2005)

Wang does not worry about Michael Chang's becoming a successful tennis commentator, but he is not optimistic about his prospect as national team coach. He said that growing up in the United States, Michael Chang was not familiar with the more complex interpersonal relationships in China.

"Michael is a famous player with a Grand Slam title. No matter where he works, he is a valuable asset. Michael's experience is so rich and he has so many audiences there. Everyone will welcome him back. But I think he is not familiar with our style of work here. Is he able to adapt to the circumstances? " said Wang Liangzuo in anxiety. "I think, if he really comes, it will be likely to have a start of a honeymoon period, but after this honeymoon, He may not be happy. "

http://sports.thebeijingnews.com/0676/2006/11-16/011@010626.htm

Pasta-Na
Dec 1st, 2006, 12:18 AM
i think Chinese girls will still keep improving, even without michael chang :devil:

Pasta-Na
Dec 21st, 2006, 09:04 AM
na li definitely needs michael chang to teach her how to deal with some mental issues :o

Pasta-Na
Dec 21st, 2006, 09:05 AM
she lost in R1 in moscow because of the same reason like the asian games? :o

Pasta-Na
Dec 21st, 2006, 09:06 AM
come on, na li, u can overcome this problem. i hope ur games are getting better and stronger :)

Pasta-Na
Feb 2nd, 2007, 02:58 AM
i heard her husband is the coach :eek:

kikikid
Feb 2nd, 2007, 01:52 PM
i heard her husband is the coach :eek:

maybe is the best.

Pasta-Na
Feb 3rd, 2007, 09:19 AM
yes, na li does play better when he is around :haha:

Pasta-Na
Feb 3rd, 2007, 09:20 AM
maybe she is afraid he will punish her in some ways if she plays badly :p

Alec
Feb 3rd, 2007, 07:30 PM
yes, na li does play better when he is around :haha:

how do u know that?:confused:

wukenaihe
Feb 4th, 2007, 12:09 AM
yes, na li does play better when he is around :haha:

i dont think so

Pasta-Na
Feb 11th, 2007, 10:15 PM
she said she got some support from her husband's eyes in count when she was down in the match :)

fencer
Feb 12th, 2007, 05:11 AM
i dont think so


but , i think so

Pasta-Na
Apr 1st, 2007, 08:19 AM
do u guys agree one of na li's games is to hit the balls sometimes short and sometimes deep? :haha: