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CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 12:21 AM
Actually, they are close to brainless.
I don't care about Dokic, but Monica is worrying me since she is my top five fave(Venus, Serena, Kim, Alexandra, & then Monica),
but her scheduling is AWFUL, she has been playing tennis for more then a decade, proffesional tennis that is! She should know better. Who schedules a tourny a week before a GRAND SLAM? I know she wants to get badly on top, but wouldn't it make more sense if she got further in the slam? To achieve this she would have to rest before the Grand Slam, because she loses in the slams because of tiredness, her groundies go out more then not when she is tired! Okay, I know some of you are going to say, 'Well she needs match practice'...she has won French Open before, she knows how to play on the stuff. You know what happened at Us Open 4th round last year right? Monica lost because she overplayed the weeks before Us Open.
And this is clay, your body gets tired from long rallys. & Dokic, what is she doing playing 30 tournies? Her dad is stupid, if he loved her, he could say, 'Jelena, sweetie, you don't wanna be a BURN OUT by 24!!!!!'...
Monica keeps saying how she messed up her schedule in the near past, but she just keeps doing the same. Venus pulled out of Italian Open to be ready as best she could for French., also some other players are taking it easy on there bodys.
WHAT IS MONICA THINKING!?!?!!!!!
One time she is gonna injure herself and have to pull out of other big tournies, & that will hurt her rankig, but most of all, it will hurt her physically! She needs to smarten up, and so does Jelena.

Mikey
May 24th, 2002, 12:27 AM
monica is playing this week b/c she hasn't played a tournament on clay yet. b/c she pulled out of rome last week and doesn't play hamburg or berlin (they're in germany), she hasn't gotten clay experience. and no one who IS smart goes into RG w/o clay preparation. so, in reality, monica is very smart to play this week.

evadafan
May 24th, 2002, 12:27 AM
But Monica played several tournies (4?) right before the US Open, not just one.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:28 AM
Who? Venus Williams for one. Pilot Pen, pretty much every year.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:29 AM
Jennifer Capriati for another, Sydney for the past two years.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:31 AM
Lindsay Davenport for another, Pilot Pen in 98 and Sydney in 2000.

Volcana
May 24th, 2002, 12:31 AM
Jelena is a psycho. I was like that when I was 18 too.

Monica needs the points. Look it up. Monica is looking her best chance to regain the #1 ranking inyears. If she can take a GS, and the other two split, she could end the year #1. She cold certainly REACH #1 for a week or two if she wins RG. But she has to have points. Remember, she pulled out of her American clay event. She doesn't play in Germany. Clay is about over for the year. And if she's to win RG, Monica needed some match play.

Monica can handle 3 weeks of tennis in a row. One does hope se's healthy.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:31 AM
Mary Pierce for another, Madrid in 2000.

Jarrett
May 24th, 2002, 12:33 AM
I think Monica playing Madrid is great! As long as the final is played on Saturday (and of course Monica is in it) and not Sunday. I feel bad for Jelena because she will have to play two matches tomorrow and usually doesn't cope with that too well.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:33 AM
Martina Hingis for another, Sydney in 97, 98, and 99.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:34 AM
Jana Novotna for another, Eastbourne in 98.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 12:47 AM
BTW, Venus said she pulled out of the Italian Open because she injured her wrist a couple hours before match time. Are you calling her a liar?

Justin
May 24th, 2002, 12:51 AM
Seles did not play the week before the US Open last year.

Davenport usually plays the tournament before all 4 grand slams. (Sydney, Madrid, Eastbourne, New Haven). It doesn't seem to hurt her.

Almost everyne plays Sydney... and many top players play the 'shertengobasch (Sp?) or New Haven. It's a matter of taste. If Seles overplayed this clay season, I would agree with you.. but she played 4 clay matches this year... none on red clay and only two WTA matches on clay. She needs the work...and the competition is not stiff, frankly. She should be OK.

Couver
May 24th, 2002, 12:57 AM
Well Monica is doing the right thing. She got a stomach virus during the clay season, plus she doesn't play in Germany, so it's not like she overplayed the clay season. Madrid gives her a good chance to get match practice. Remember at the slams you have every other day off.

When Monica came back from injury last summer she beat everyone almost :)

As for Jelena, she does need a rest. I don't think it's the tournaments she's playing. I think she's not letting her body rest from some of her injuries, and thus she's making them worse. She's lost a lot of matches this season by having to withdraw.

Infiniti2001
May 24th, 2002, 01:05 AM
I don't have a problem with Monica , but one has to wonder what's going through Jelena's head. What exactly is the kid trying to accomplish??? :rolleyes: :fiery:

CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 02:33 AM
Yes, I realize that players have played a week before a slam :rolleyes: , but what I MEANT to say was that at Monica's fitness level, you shouldn't. Like come on, you are not saying that
Monica=Venus in fitness?? And you just can't compare someone at 22 & 28 on ones bode recovery time. I can't see Monica at #1, she can't constantly beat the top players, although I wish she would(except of course Venus & Serena). Just look it up, the facts:
2001 she at one tourny beat Martina, then rain into Lindsay, couldn't solve her, another tourny, she ran into Serena, beat her, ran into Martina, beat her, ran into Lindsay, lost, then Canadian semis, Serena got on top of her again, AO, she beat Venus, then Martina solved her, then again when they met Martina solved her, and at Indian Wells, Martina beat her easily in straight sets.
What I am trying to say is that Monica just can't manage to win constantly against the top players, she always runs into someone that is just better then her a tourny.
I can't see her being #1 this year, just beacause Venus gets hot in the summer, Serena has MANY quality points for beating top players. She did beat Venus last time, Jennifer last four times, and Martina last three times as well, can you say QUALITY POINTS. Monica has a way to go.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 02:41 AM
Monica took the lumber to Martina and Serena in her 11th and 12th matches in a 17 day period, then beat Jelena Dokic and Justine Henin on the same day, her 15th and 16th matches in 23 days, despite Dokic and Henin both being relatively fresh.

Monica has to play 11 matches in 18 days to win Roland Garros. The first 8, frankly, will be pretty easy.

CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by disposablehero
BTW, Venus said she pulled out of the Italian Open because she injured her wrist a couple hours before match time. Are you calling her a liar?



What I said is: "Venus pulled out of Italian Open to be ready as best she could for French"

She pulled out of Italian Open with an injury, she still COULD HAVE played, but she decided not to risk it, TO BE READY FOR FRENCH OPEN. See the difference is, Monica WOULD HAVE played, & risk away her career(she could have injured herself more when she lost BADLY to Martina at Ericsson 2000, don't even wanna mention the score), while Venus doesn't risk it, and saves hereself up for the slams. I mean I am glad Venus didn;t play at Italian, she could have hurt her wrist even more & then be out definately for French, so it's good she didn't.

Are you like a little kid who has to be explained every single sentence in detail. Can't your brain once or twice use itself to think and maybe solve a little more complicating sentences then grade 1?

Crazy Canuck
May 24th, 2002, 02:43 AM
"Actually, they are close to brainless.
I don't care about Dokic, but Monica is worrying me since she is my top five fave(Venus, Serena, Kim, Alexandra, & then Monica),
but her scheduling is AWFUL, she has been playing tennis for more then a decade, proffesional tennis that is! She should know better. Who schedules a tourny a week before a GRAND SLAM? "

I think this may have been what disposable was rambling on about. You clearly state here that you think anyone who plays the week before a slam is brainless.


Which makes a vast number of players, well - brainless, according to you.

Now your making a new point that differed from the original one.

But hey, whatever works for you, I'm just bein difficult.

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Superhero

Are you like a little kid who has to be explained every single sentence in detail. Can't your brain once or twice use itself to think and maybe solve a little more complicating sentences then grade 1?

I guess I must be close to brainless.

CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 02:48 AM
Becca, I decided to post few more points in a thread then one, is that a mistake? Should I be punished. Am I gonna get spanked by you :p


Now that I think of it :lick:


When I said they are close to brainless, I meant in the scheduling department of tournies.

CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by disposablehero


I guess I must be close to brainless.


At least you know it :p

That's step one.

Step two, get some help

mishar
May 24th, 2002, 02:56 AM
Actually, if Monica wins Roland Garros, beating Serena and Jennifer, and Venus loses early, Monica could be the #1 player in just over 2 weeks.

Anyway, each of her matches so far has lasted less than an hour.
I think it's a valid concern, but I don't think it's so idiotic as you're making it sound. It's better to have some match practice, and not come into the French cold. If she's playing well, the easy matches in Madrid will not tire her out excessively.

Crazy Canuck
May 24th, 2002, 02:58 AM
"Am I gonna get spanked by you "

Sorry Superhero, but you're not really my type.

CanadianBoy21
May 24th, 2002, 03:01 AM
Becca- It's alright, come out of the closet...


Mishar- I guess time will tell

Crazy Canuck
May 24th, 2002, 03:09 AM
"Becca- It's alright, come out of the closet... "

:confused:

disposablehero
May 24th, 2002, 03:10 AM
He's outing you, Becca. He plans to tell the world that your sexual preference is "Non-Losers".

tennischick
May 24th, 2002, 03:11 AM
Monica had no choice. she has had NO clay preparation prior to RG. if she had, she may have skipped this tourny. since she did not, she had no choice but to play. her age is irrelevant to this issue. surface-specific preparation is. or that's what my three grey cells tell me :o :o

Crazy Canuck
May 24th, 2002, 03:13 AM
"He's outing you, Becca. He plans to tell the world that your sexual preference is "Non-Losers". "

:D

Kart
May 24th, 2002, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Superhero


She pulled out of Italian Open with an injury, she still COULD HAVE played, but she decided not to risk it, TO BE READY FOR FRENCH OPEN. See the difference is, Monica WOULD HAVE played, & risk away her career(she could have injured herself more when she lost BADLY to Martina at Ericsson 2000, don't even wanna mention the score), while Venus doesn't risk it, and saves hereself up for the slams. I mean I am glad Venus didn;t play at Italian, she could have hurt her wrist even more & then be out definately for French, so it's good she didn't.


What are you talking about ?

Monica withdrew from Italy as well.

That's why she's playing Madrid.

Monica_Rules
May 24th, 2002, 09:50 AM
I think Monica is usuing Madrid as practice which she would do anyway in Roland Garros.She'll be fine!:D

Miranda
May 24th, 2002, 10:19 AM
i think she is smart this time coz she needs match practice :):cool:

sartrista7
May 24th, 2002, 11:22 AM
Monica was in a difficult situation because yes, she definitely needs match practice. She'd only played four matches on clay prior to Madrid.

But at the same time - she's very likely to be around in week 2 of Roland Garros. That's three straight weeks, the third being the most difficult week of a Slam against top players, most of whom outdo Monica in fitness. Not many players can manage to keep a high level for three weeks in any case, and we all know that what lets Monica down eventually will be her fitness. There's a case to be made for playing herself into RG during the first week - she should be better than all the opposition there - to maximise her chances in the second.

Jelena is insane, full stop. She's had one week off since Indian Wells (a week in which there weren't any tournaments). She's not planning to take another one off until after Wimbledon.

Bright Red
May 24th, 2002, 02:26 PM
I haven't followed Seles that much so I have no comment. But anyone who plays 30 tournaments is totally insane!