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Wigglytuff
May 20th, 2006, 02:11 PM
is there a way to set windows xp to never go on the internet ever. is this safe?

Carolina Girl
May 20th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Yes, it's really quite simple all you do is pull out the phone cord if you have dial-up, disconnect the ethernet cable or the cable cable, or just unplug your wireless connection. Quite simple.

I guess it would be safer for you computer if you never ever went on the internet, because you wouldn't risk viruses.

Wigglytuff
May 20th, 2006, 02:50 PM
Yes, it's really quite simple all you do is pull out the phone cord if you have dial-up, disconnect the ethernet cable or the cable cable, or just unplug your wireless connection. Quite simple.

I guess it would be safer for you computer if you never ever went on the internet, because you wouldn't risk viruses.
yes, but i dont think that is what i was asking....

i have many computers on the network, and was hoping there was a way to keep the winxp machine of the net without having to physically unplug the network or remove the wireless card from the wireless card.

for one i have 4 other computer on the network.

and for two the machine i want to put xp on is a mac that i still want to be able to connect to the network when its not running windoze. i want to it to not be able to get on the net with mac os x.

drake3781
May 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Hmmm... I know there is a task that my people follow in setting up web servers called "configure web server not to browse". I'll check the instructions and copy it here later .......... maybe it will help.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 01:03 AM
is there a way to set windows xp to never go on the internet ever. is this safe?

sure, just disable the network connections and it won't.

but it's actually easier to unplug the network cable (or the modem).

You can also block all the ports in the firewall.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 01:04 AM
yes, but i dont think that is what i was asking....

i have many computers on the network, and was hoping there was a way to keep the winxp machine of the net without having to physically unplug the network or remove the wireless card from the wireless card.

for one i have 4 other computer on the network.

and for two the machine i want to put xp on is a mac that i still want to be able to connect to the network when its not running windoze. i want to it to not be able to get on the net with mac os x.

just turn on the firewall and block port 80.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 01:09 AM
Hmmm... I know there is a task that my people follow in setting up web servers called "configure web server not to browse". I'll check the instructions and copy it here later .......... maybe it will help.

that has nothing to do with Windows XP, it has to do with not allowing visitors to browse the Webservers file.

For example, if you type wtaworld.com, it's basically pointing to the root directory of the web server, because the web server has defined a default page in its metadata, the page index.php is retrieve.

If there isn't a default page, and you don't type the page name and the web server is configured not to allow listing contents, you will get page not found, it is allowed, you will see a list of files in the directory.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Windows XP but with the web server, likely running Windows Server or Linux or something similar.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 01:10 AM
yes, but i dont think that is what i was asking....

i have many computers on the network, and was hoping there was a way to keep the winxp machine of the net without having to physically unplug the network or remove the wireless card from the wireless card.

for one i have 4 other computer on the network.

and for two the machine i want to put xp on is a mac that i still want to be able to connect to the network when its not running windoze. i want to it to not be able to get on the net with mac os x.

additionally, if you are connecting to the home network using netbios or any other protocol other than TCP/IP, you can uninstall TCP/IP then it won't be able to connect to the internet, but it's likely that your home network is an IP network so this wouldn't work.

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 01:58 AM
hmm ok. i will try these things.

yeah i will have to block all ports for that partition

dementieva's fan
May 21st, 2006, 02:01 AM
Just go into your firewall settings and block all incoming and outgoing traffic.

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 02:04 AM
ok i have part two question. say i need to download windows updates can i do that on the mac os x partition burn it to a data disc and than run it on the windows partition?

dementieva's fan
May 21st, 2006, 02:10 AM
ok i have part two question. say i need to download windows updates can i do that on the mac os x partition burn it to a data disc and than run it on the windows partition?
I don't think you'll be able to download widows updates from a mac as microsoft requires you to validate that you have a genuine install of windows. So I dont think it's possible from a mac. Although you could go to a friend's house who has a windows machine and then get the updates from there on a cd and then install them on your machine.

Are you running windows and os x on the same computer?

Edit: Why do you want to cut off xp from the internet?

AjdeNate!
May 21st, 2006, 02:52 AM
iJiggly asking an iWindows iQuestion? What has this world come to! :eek: :eek:

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 02:55 AM
I don't think you'll be able to download widows updates from a mac as microsoft requires you to validate that you have a genuine install of windows. So I dont think it's possible from a mac. Although you could go to a friend's house who has a windows machine and then get the updates from there on a cd and then install them on your machine.

Are you running windows and os x on the same computer?

Edit: Why do you want to cut off xp from the internet?
yes i have a mac and i am using the application boot camp to install and run windows xp.

um because its brutally unsafe. i have lived 3 years without anti-virus software or having to run major updates every week, or worrying about fishing or popus or any such things. and i would like to not have to do anything like that, the only way to do that with xp is to ban it from the net. of course this is no lose because i can use the mac partition to use the net. i am getting xp for gaming, and since i dont do online gaming. there really is no reason for me to do anything that would put my $3K toy in any danger.

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 02:57 AM
iJiggly asking an iWindows iQuestion? What has this world come to! :eek: :eek:
lol dont iworry. this is only for running games that are either overpriced on the mac or not available. i suspect windows will only be 10%-15% of my time on the puter. and all of it will be gaming.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 03:07 AM
yes i have a mac and i am using the application boot camp to install and run windows xp.

um because its brutally unsafe. i have lived 3 years without anti-virus software or having to run major updates every week, or worrying about fishing or popus or any such things. and i would like to not have to do anything like that, the only way to do that with xp is to ban it from the net. of course this is no lose because i can use the mac partition to use the net. i am getting xp for gaming, and since i dont do online gaming. there really is no reason for me to do anything that would put my $3K toy in any danger.

you can get them here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en

however, that would mean you will have to know which updates to install, which means you will need an intimate knowledge of the OS, do you really want all that trouble?

Now, some clarifications:

1) you "think" you are safe on the mac, that has been true simply because the mac-os wasn't targetted by hackers and virus writers but that's changing, there are known virus that target the macs, they haven't been in the wild yet, they are what the antivirus companies call "proofs of concept", they are just testing to see if it's possible, and it is! the macs are becoming more popular and it's becoming increasingly difficult to attack Windows, specially when the release Vista, so the macs can become a target.

2) if you only want to play games, and will keep the windows xp partition disconnected, you won't need to get updates, except for bug fixes (no security related).

3) if you do get a worm or virus in Windows, that won't affect the machine, virus do NOT damage the hardware, and both operating systems are independent. Windows XP cannot read the mac file system, so even if there was a clever virus writer trying to infect your mac os from the windows partition, it would not be possible.

The mac os can read and write to fat partitions but can only read NTFS partitions, Windows won't read the mac file system at all.

The most damage you can get if your windows partition is infected is to have to reformat the partition and reinstall the os but it will have no effect on the "mac" part of it.

AjdeNate!
May 21st, 2006, 03:09 AM
lol dont iworry. this is only for running games that are either overpriced on the mac or not available. i suspect windows will only be 10%-15% of my time on the puter. and all of it will be gaming.
:kiss:

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 03:13 AM
I don't think you'll be able to download widows updates from a mac as microsoft requires you to validate that you have a genuine install of windows. So I dont think it's possible from a mac. Although you could go to a friend's house who has a windows machine and then get the updates from there on a cd and then install them on your machine.

Are you running windows and os x on the same computer?

Edit: Why do you want to cut off xp from the internet?

MS doesn't require the genuine software authentication for security updates, not yet at least (some times you might be prompted to verify but you can skip it).

downloading updates is not that easy, you need to know what's available (meaning, read the MS security bulletins or suscribe to the downloads notify service), understand what they mean, know if they apply to you (if you haven't installed the component being patched you don't need the update), knowing the pre-requisites, etc.

If you attempt to install an update and you are missing some components, it will fail and you might not know it did. Also, the chance of missing important updates is very high if you are not working in the field (and need to be alert regarding patches as part of your job).

drake3781
May 21st, 2006, 03:35 AM
that has nothing to do with Windows XP, it has to do with not allowing visitors to browse the Webservers file.

For example, if you type wtaworld.com, it's basically pointing to the root directory of the web server, because the web server has defined a default page in its metadata, the page index.php is retrieve.

If there isn't a default page, and you don't type the page name and the web server is configured not to allow listing contents, you will get page not found, it is allowed, you will see a list of files in the directory.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Windows XP but with the web server, likely running Windows Server or Linux or something similar.

Some are true servers, and some are high-end workstations running XP, acting as web servers.

But if you say it's worthless, I won't go get the info. Thx.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 03:48 AM
Some are true servers, and some are high-end workstations running XP, acting as web servers.

But if you say it's worthless, I won't go get the info. Thx.

you are running web servers from Windows XP? :eek: :eek: :eek:

trust me, that's NOT a good idea, to start, they are violating the license terms but XP was NOT designed to act as a server, although it does come with IIS it's intended to be use only for testing.

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 04:00 AM
you can get them here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en

however, that would mean you will have to know which updates to install, which means you will need an intimate knowledge of the OS, do you really want all that trouble?

Now, some clarifications:

1) you "think" you are safe on the mac, that has been true simply because the mac-os wasn't targetted by hackers and virus writers but that's changing, there are known virus that target the macs, they haven't been in the wild yet, they are what the antivirus companies call "proofs of concept", they are just testing to see if it's possible, and it is! the macs are becoming more popular and it's becoming increasingly difficult to attack Windows, specially when the release Vista, so the macs can become a target.

2) if you only want to play games, and will keep the windows xp partition disconnected, you won't need to get updates, except for bug fixes (no security related).

3) if you do get a worm or virus in Windows, that won't affect the machine, virus do NOT damage the hardware, and both operating systems are independent. Windows XP cannot read the mac file system, so even if there was a clever virus writer trying to infect your mac os from the windows partition, it would not be possible.

The mac os can read and write to fat partitions but can only read NTFS partitions, Windows won't read the mac file system at all.

The most damage you can get if your windows partition is infected is to have to reformat the partition and reinstall the os but it will have no effect on the "mac" part of it.

i KNOW that for the last 2 years i have not had a virus or spyware or even adware. and i KNOW that keeping a windoze machine that spick and span requires time, discipline, weekly/daily updates and so, and i have better things to do.

i know that my mac partition is safe. i just dont even want to worry about my pc partition. losing it would mean loosing game data. but i am aware that the hardware should be ok.

thanks for the info about not having to intall all updates if i can keep the xp partition offline.

drake3781
May 21st, 2006, 04:24 AM
you are running web servers from Windows XP? :eek: :eek: :eek:

trust me, that's NOT a good idea, to start, they are violating the license terms but XP was NOT designed to act as a server, although it does come with IIS it's intended to be use only for testing.

It's just running a few reports on demand (SQL => Excel). This is internal to a company, using its intranet. Don't have a cow :lol: . Actually we are moving away from that, for reasons of standardization, but it was a solution that has has no problems, offered for plants operating at low-cost (Argentina, Thailand). I'm on the project management and application design side, so I don't have the serious infrastructure expertise, but I do know that's what's happening and it is not a problem. Only reason I brought it up is that I was looking thru a configuration document this past week and saw a section that said "configure the web server not to browse" and it seemed to match exactly what the OP was asking about.

Fingon
May 21st, 2006, 04:49 AM
i KNOW that for the last 2 years i have not had a virus or spyware or even adware. and i KNOW that keeping a windoze machine that spick and span requires time, discipline, weekly/daily updates and so, and i have better things to do.


hopefully it remains that way, all I meant is, don't be too confident, I know there are companies that use macs and they never bothered to install antivirus and stuff and never had a problem, but they are now freaking out because they know virus targetting the macs are possible and they feel that mac users are less prepared to deal with them than Windows users simply because they have been safe so far.
Imagine a person that lives in a crime ridden city and someone that lives in a very safe place. While the first person faces more risk, normally, the second person will be more vulnerable if he/she does need to be in a dangerous area.

Windows machines are not updated daily, or weekly, Microsoft releases patches once a month, it's called path Tuesday, unless a really serious vulnerability is found.

controlfreak
May 21st, 2006, 10:01 AM
in my experience the microsoft updates are about 10 times more likely to break your system than a virus or trojan.

my windows xp hasn't been updated in 2 years, it goes on the net every day and has never been sick. i check occasionally for spyware and viruses and have never found anything bad. i'm assuming a certain amount of "user error" is necessary for the propagation of most nasties.

having said that, i'd never keep any sensitive information on that machine, better safe than sorry lol!

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 10:31 AM
hopefully it remains that way, all I meant is, don't be too confident, I know there are companies that use macs and they never bothered to install antivirus and stuff and never had a problem, but they are now freaking out because they know virus targetting the macs are possible and they feel that mac users are less prepared to deal with them than Windows users simply because they have been safe so far.
Imagine a person that lives in a crime ridden city and someone that lives in a very safe place. While the first person faces more risk, normally, the second person will be more vulnerable if he/she does need to be in a dangerous area.

Windows machines are not updated daily, or weekly, Microsoft releases patches once a month, it's called path Tuesday, unless a really serious vulnerability is found.

yes that is the rumor that mac users are less prepared. but that is something that i know doesn't take into account the way that mac os x point 4 works. by its very nature even if something did enter your machine it would need your approval and admin password at installation and if it wants to do anything at all that would, affect your system it would require your password again. that alone offers more protection than pretty much any anti-virus software. and no there is no way to download applications without knowing about it. even if the program were to break 10.4 to no longer require that sort of admin oversight THAT program would still need your approval.

Wigglytuff
May 21st, 2006, 10:35 AM
in my experience the microsoft updates are about 10 times more likely to break your system than a virus or trojan.

my windows xp hasn't been updated in 2 years, it goes on the net every day and has never been sick. i check occasionally for spyware and viruses and have never found anything bad. i'm assuming a certain amount of "user error" is necessary for the propagation of most nasties.

having said that, i'd never keep any sensitive information on that machine, better safe than sorry lol!
:tape: yes i dont plan on having any files on the windows partition.

*JR*
May 21st, 2006, 02:22 PM
um because its brutally unsafe. i have lived 3 years without anti-virus software or having to run major updates every week, or worrying about fishing or popus or any such things.
Besides Fingon's point about how there will be more and more viruses (and spyware, I presume) "written for" the Mac OS, 2 other points: first, pop-ups are easily prevented with either the Mozilla browsers or pop-up blocking software (for anyone who insists on using Internet Explorer).

Re. phishing attacks, the term reminds me of the way most ppl who used to say in Bug & Error here that their account had been hacked had actually shared their log-in info with someone else. All phishing means is bad ppl trolling for suckers with fake site links.

All one need do to is either not fall for the scam to begin with, or (if the links in an email are from an unknown sender, about something sensitive, etc. etc.) type in the site name to another browser window B4 "interfacing with it". (If what follows the / is hard to remember, that can be copied and pasted, if its a known site).

Typing in citibank.com for example thwarts the phishing attack, as the rest of a fake link thus doesn't take one to a fake page. What in the world does that have to do with which OS you're using? (And spam filters are based in your email client, anyway, be it POP3 or webmail).