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Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 03:13 PM
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Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia

Chris Wattie
National Post


Friday, May 19, 2006


Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.

It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.

The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

"We are not here to answer such questions."

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

samsung101
May 19th, 2006, 04:28 PM
Bush called Iran out years ago, and he was maligned
left and right for saying the truth. Albright & others
told the world for years Iran was worthy of our trust,
and wanted a new relationship. Ditto for her grand
work with North Korea. Look where we ended up
because of that? They both lied about their nuclear
weapon programs, and who knows what else they
have. All the while, France (same old usual suspects
from the UN Security Council backstabbers) are
dealing with Iran, weapons, and business, etc.

Read this guys 18 page letter to Bush. Think of
the billions he has from the oil, and the hold he
has over places like France and Germany w/trade.

Maybe the world can get out in the street and protest
Iran and their crazy leader and his plans for Israel,
the Middle East,the West, and any non-Muslim. It
isn't pretty. How about taking that venom of the
'cartoon' protests and anger, and put it into something
worth protesting: a crazy man in Iran who wants to
be Hitler, who has the money thru oil to take on the
West, and who a media that ignores his actions at home
and abroad.

This is nothing new for him, he's been going down this
path for quite a long time. Even when he wasn't President,
he had a lot of clout, and it was ignored.

What can we do w/him now? Iran had a lot more
nuke capability in the 90's than we were led to believe
by our negotiators, as did North Korea.


I hope that Europe will not do w/Iran what it did with Iraq.
Stop using the Security Council to create backdoor deals
that undermine the inspections. China and Russia will
negate any legitimate UN actions anyway. So, sadly,
Israel may have to take on Iran alone, or with the US
help in some way. It won't end well, if the world does
the same thing it did with Iraq - allows a few nations
to prop up the leader, with billions in deals (oil for food
scam @ UN), so sanctions & inspections are meaningless.

I sure hope Bush and Blair and Howard are paying into
programs to help the very young majority in Iran to
organize, communicate, and act down the line. We should
be paying to assist the resistance in Iran, at the very least.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 04:32 PM
wow, so much rubbish in a single post, i'm impressed.

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 04:39 PM
Congrats Ahmadinejad. His getting closer and closer to the things that took Hitler much more things to work on them.

Iran should be prepared for a war with the western world and they don't need to be surprise when their leader is talking like Neo-Nazi

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 04:54 PM
but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it.

Hagar
May 19th, 2006, 05:05 PM
wow, so much rubbish in a single post, i'm impressed.

So are you telling us that this is not true? It would be nice if it wasn't.

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 05:06 PM
but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it.

Oh well,
So i understand that it doesn't matter for you that the Jews in Iran will go with yellow badge (who did that in the past?)
A man that standing in the head of the country, that saying that Israel should be wiped out of the map( Although he so kind and he said that he has no problem with jewish people, only with Israel)
He said that the Jewish people need to go back to europe (well, that's also remind me something of someone who wanted to get rid of religion in a continent)

But the thing that makes me angrier more than anything is the Holocaust denial - Well Mr. Ahmadinejad, i'm inviting you to take a "tour" in Auschwitz, to look in my grandfather eyes and say to him that he is "making up" what he has been through in the holocaust.
This leader is the extremist one in the world since many years, I guess we don't know if he just trying to scare people with these speeches, but we can't know if he is willing to act and that's dangerous, and someone needs to stop him before he'll cause to World war III

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Oh well,
So i understand that it doesn't matter for you that the Jews in Iran will go with yellow badge (who did that in the past?)
it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 05:26 PM
it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.

You know, Hitler started with something. In the begininng everyone said that "he can't be that extremist, he won't do this things" - GUESS what?
Iran is not so weak as you think, as i don't know many nations that are close to nucelar ability. Hitler had to work harder to wipe out the jews - but imagine if Ahmadinejad will decide that he want's to make a "quick" holocaust with a nucelar bomb.
U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it. I think that instead of complain about U.S.A you should pay attention to them.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 05:35 PM
You know, Hitler started with something. In the begininng everyone said that "he can't be that extremist, he won't do this things" - GUESS what?
Iran is not so weak as you think, as i don't know many nations that are close to nucelar ability. Hitler had to work harder to wipe out the jews - but imagine if Ahmadinejad will decide that he want's to make a "quick" holocaust with a nucelar bomb.
if he tried to use nuclear weapons his country will be destroyed. iran won't use nuclear weapons even if they obtain them. just like china won't use them. nuclear weapons are used as a deterrent.

and hitler did start with something, but he was a leader of a very powerful industrial nation.


U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it. I think that instead of complain about U.S.A you should pay attention to them.
lol @ the idea that the us did not start the war against iraq. it's kinda like when poland attacked germany, right?

i do pay attention to the terrorists, but i refuse to be stupid. i also pay attention to the way the threat of terrorism is used by some people to start wars for completely other purposes.

Volcana
May 19th, 2006, 05:36 PM
but the war won't happen (if it happens at all) because the leader is "like a nazi". there is a very strong tradition in the west by now that when you want to start a war you compare the enemy to the nazi germany and their leader to hitler. we've witnessed this ritual several times over past 10 years or so. the stupid thing is, the people seem to always fall for it. Horribly, painfully true. Of course, Iran is hardly the only country to practice 'state-sponsored religious descrimination'. Sometimes it seems like half the Republican party wants it in the USA.

But requiring people to wear their religion on their clothing is another step altogether. That's a step wear true fanaticism starts to take over. (And what, I wonder, will atheists have to wear?)

Though distasteful, this step is certainly NOT one that's worth declaring war over. If we considered religious fanaticsim that bad, we'd have invaded Afghanistan ten years earlier. And of course, genocide doesn't seem to be worth declaring war over, if Darfur or Rwanda are any indication. However, I will say that, as someone who has no problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons at the moment, this news causes me to consider re-thinking that issue. Nuclear weapons in the hands of someone who disagrees with me doesn't bother. Nuclear weapons in the hands of murderous religious fanatics is another matter. Though the world HAS survived six years of a murderous religious fanatic sitting in the White House with the launch codes to the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.

Scotso
May 19th, 2006, 05:36 PM
it does. but hitler did much more than just make jews wear badges.

of course ahmadinejad is an idiot. but comparing iran to nazi germany is ridiculous. how on earth will a country like iran start a ww3? iran is weak and would be wiped off the map swiftly if they tried anything like that.

at the same time we have another country that is much more powerful and more armed starting a series of wars of aggression based on lies and we are supposed to support yet another war started by that country and once again fall for the same lies. that has much greater chances of leading us to the ww3 than any 3rd world dictator ever could.

I can't believe you're still defending Iran. They clearly want to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 05:39 PM
I can't believe you're still defending Iran. They clearly want to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.
yeah, totally.

Volcana
May 19th, 2006, 05:44 PM
U.S.A hasn't started the war with Iraq, the terrorist that relating themselves to the Muslim religion started it.Iraq, when we invaded it anyway, was a secular country. Further, even Bush himself admits that Iraq had nothing to do with any attack on the USA.

There is absolutely no logical way you can say the USA did not start the war in Iraq.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 05:45 PM
Nuclear weapons in the hands of someone who disagrees with me doesn't bother. Nuclear weapons in the hands of murderous religious fanatics is another matter. Though the world HAS survived six years of a murderous religious fanatic sitting in the White House with the launch codes to the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet.
again, iran should not be equated with ahmadinejad. his power is limited and his ramblings should not be understood to be the official iranian policy.

besides, why do people seriously believe that this is about nuclear weapons? let's be frank, the us has different goals. nuclear weapons can be used as an excuse, of course. do people not remember the "weapons of mass destruction" charade from just 4 years ago?

GrandSlam05
May 19th, 2006, 05:51 PM
Muz-limbs at it again!

Helen Lawson
May 19th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Muz-limbs at it again!

You're a lousy substitute for someone who really cares.

Volcana
May 19th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I can't believe you're still defending Iran. They clearly want to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.Actually, I'm pretty sure the average Iranian just wants to spend time with his family and have the government leave them alone. And disliking Israel is a long way from wanting to 'eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth'. Actually, I don't care if the Iranian government WANTS to or not. Just as long as they don't try and DO it.

It's sort of like how so many Republicans in the USA want to turn the USA into a theocracy. I'm fine with them wanting that. I'm opposed to them actually trying to do it.

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 05:57 PM
Iraq, when we invaded it anyway, was a secular country. Further, even Bush himself admits that Iraq had nothing to do with any attack on the USA.

There is absolutely no logical way you can say the USA did not start the war in Iraq.

I don't mean that Iraq had something with the attacks on USA. I wanted to say that USA must have act against countries that support terror and it's coming from them, even if it's not related to the 9\11.

Anyway that's not the issue here.

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 06:10 PM
The United Nations is a useless piece of shit designed to make those that hate Western values feel better about themselves when they sit around and "have dialogue"...nevermind that it's meaningless dialogue.

However, I can't wait for the Iranian leader to want to require all homosexuals to wear a badge. :tape: What a conundrum for the U.N. I love it when liberals get all twisted in their own (lack of) ideology. :lol:

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure the average Iranian just wants to spend time with his family and have the government leave them alone. And disliking Israel is a long way from wanting to 'eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth'. Actually, I don't care if the Iranian government WANTS to or not. Just as long as they don't try and DO it.

It's sort of like how so many Republicans in the USA want to turn the USA into a theocracy. I'm fine with them wanting that. I'm opposed to them actually trying to do it.

Decide that the jews must wear a yellow badge is more than just disliking Israel.
Saying that there was no holocaust is way more that just disliking Israel

I'm sure that Ahmadinejad took the idea of yellow badge from Hitler, and if he is going in his way that's got to be stop.
THIS MAN IS CRAZY AND HE HAS THE ABILITIES TO GO IN HITLER'S WAY.
Meanwhile he can enjoy that no one will do something about this because they think he can't act

GrandSlam05
May 19th, 2006, 06:31 PM
You're a lousy substitute for someone who really cares.
Why are you screaming?

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 06:33 PM
Decide that the jews must wear a yellow badge is more than just disliking Israel.
Saying that there was no holocaust is way more that just disliking Israel

I'm sure that Ahmadinejad took the idea of yellow badge from Hitler, and if he is going in his way that's got to be stop.
THIS MAN IS CRAZY AND HE HAS THE ABILITIES TO GO IN HITLER'S WAY.
Meanwhile he can enjoy that no one will do something about this because they think he can't act
if you read more than just a headline you discover that this law is not directed against jews, but against all religious minorities in iran. and once again, ahmadinejad does not have the ability to go hitler's way and iran does not have the ability to act in the way that nazi germany would. nor is it true that noone is acting against iran. are you following the news or not? there is something going on against iran already, but some people are not satisfied until they see blood flowing.

and while people here are debating whether iran should be nuked or not lives of religious minorities and ordinary iranians are not improving.

Helen Lawson
May 19th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Why are you screaming?

Because I'm damn mad! Look, this is the best script the stuido has, but it hasn't been offered to me. You could help.

firehorse
May 19th, 2006, 06:37 PM
It seems that Iran will replace Taliban..very sad...actaully this is racist to identify each human with color of skin, let alone with color of clothes...those minorites can get killed..

Just like Indoneisa ( when I was born, I am chinese indonesian), the government, even until now, they have coded "0" in front of your ID number ..it does not matter if you look like Native, they can tell from your ID either you are chinese or native...

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 06:45 PM
the law itself is of course deplorable, but it's not implemented yet and hopefully never will be.

griffin
May 19th, 2006, 07:15 PM
if you read more than just a headline you discover that this law is not directed against jews, but against all religious minorities in iran.

If you will remember history, you will recall that the Jews were also not the only people targeted by the Nazis, or required to "delcare" themselves.

This is a horrific development, and that it could be passed by the Iranian Parliament should be considered highly alarming by any rational person whether or not it's been made law. Yet.

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 07:20 PM
if you read more than just a headline you discover that this law is not directed against jews, but against all religious minorities in iran. and once again, ahmadinejad does not have the ability to go hitler's way and iran does not have the ability to act in the way that nazi germany would. nor is it true that noone is acting against iran. are you following the news or not? there is something going on against iran already, but some people are not satisfied until they see blood flowing.

and while people here are debating whether iran should be nuked or not lives of religious minorities and ordinary iranians are not improving.

I read more than the headline, believe me. I know that other minotiries will suffer too but the main idea is that the jews in Iran will wear a badge like in WWII in Europe.
Maybe Ahmadinejad does not have the power to go in the exact hitler's way but for him it can be much easier as I said. If he wants he'll use nucelar weapon and no one will stop him.
Is there really something that going against Iran? come on that thing is totally a joke. the fact is that Ahmadinejad keeps doing racist things and the world doesn't seems to care much.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 07:27 PM
If you will remember history, you will recall that the Jews were also not the only people targeted by the Nazis, or required to "delcare" themselves.

This is a horrific development, and that it could be passed by the Iranian Parliament should be considered highly alarming by any rational person whether or not it's been made law. Yet.
it is alarming. i simply consider comparisons to the nazis extremely shallow.

GrandSlam05
May 19th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Because I'm damn mad! Look, this is the best script the stuido has, but it hasn't been offered to me. You could help.
That's Mayer's business. I never tell a man I respect how to run his business.

griffin
May 19th, 2006, 07:38 PM
it is alarming. i simply consider comparisons to the nazis extremely shallow.

They usually are. Sadly in this case they seem rather apt.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 07:39 PM
I read more than the headline, believe me. I know that other minotiries will suffer too but the main idea is that the jews in Iran will wear a badge like in WWII in Europe.
Maybe Ahmadinejad does not have the power to go in the exact hitler's way but for him it can be much easier as I said. If he wants he'll use nucelar weapon and no one will stop him.
Is there really something that going against Iran? come on that thing is totally a joke. the fact is that Ahmadinejad keeps doing racist things and the world doesn't seems to care much.
the world obviously cares - more so in the case of iran than some other places (some of which are arguably even worse). but what exactly should be done? more importantly, the nations that act against iran should not be seen as enforcers of justice. their record speaks strongly against that idea. they use the issue of nuclear weapons as an excuse (again, we have had this 4 years ago). and i doubt very much that iranians hate israel so much that they would provoke destruction of their own country by attacking israel with nuclear weapons if they ever produce them at all.

each way, comparisons with nazi germany are there to stupify people, not to inform them. can't people demonise iran without resorting to that strategy? i mean, it's getting old.

AceTennisGrrrl
May 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
as a jew, this is extremely upsetting at the anti-semitism still present in the world, not least by a complete country. Fuck Iraq! Lets go Nuke Iran :woohoo:

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 07:45 PM
They usually are. Sadly in this case they seem rather apt.
not really. even in this case comparisons with nazi germany can only contribute to obscuring stuff.

iran is a dictatorship, but not as bad as the nazi regime was. it has not attacked anyone, does not intend to attack anyone and does not have the ability to do so. iranian regime persecutes minorities (as do many other countries around the world) and has some seriously backward laws, but it is not comparable to nazi germany. let's not forget that germany had the ability to defeat every other powerful country in the world back then. iran does not have the ability to defeat anyone and can only oppress their own people.

griffin
May 19th, 2006, 07:59 PM
not really. even in this case comparisons with nazi germany can only contribute to obscuring stuff.

iran is a dictatorship, but not as bad as the nazi regime was. it has not attacked anyone, does not intend to attack anyone and does not have the ability to do so. iranian regime persecutes minorities (as do many other countries around the world) and has some seriously backward laws, but it is not comparable to nazi germany. let's not forget that germany had the ability to defeat every other powerful country in the world back then. iran does not have the ability to defeat anyone and can only oppress their own people.

Iran may or may not have the ability to attack other countries. honestly, that's not the point. The Nazi's military aggression is not what won them eternal infamy: mass genocide was. And again, if you look at the history of the Nazis, and of what became the Holocaust, and look at what is developing in Iran, the similarities are frighteningly similar.

Hitler had no "real" power when he started, either.

Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 08:01 PM
What many people seem to forget is that Ahmadinejad is one of the kidnappers during the Iran Hostage crisis in 1979. I'm not surprised by the recent developments which would in essence label all non-muslims in Iran.

He's an extremist that follows the footsteps of other muslim extremists who have committed terrorists acts. Ahmadinejad's recent denial that the Holocaust ever existed tells me a lot about this person, and the likelihood he could create another. He's said he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.

If there were any military response to Iran, I feel it will be by the Israeli's, whose political hands are not tied by the Iraqi War. I don't think the US electorate will permit us to enter another war in the middle east anytime soon, unless the US is directly attacked.

The Middle East should have learned its lesson, when Israel kicked their asses under overwhelming odds against Israel three short decades ago.

Martian Willow
May 19th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Lets bomb the fuckers.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Iran may or may not have the ability to attack other countries. honestly, that's not the point. The Nazi's military aggression is not what won them eternal infamy: mass genocide was. And again, if you look at the history of the Nazis, and of what became the Holocaust, and look at what is developing in Iran, the similarities are frighteningly similar.

Hitler had no "real" power when he started, either.
there are NO meaningful parallels between germany and iran, zero. and you seem not to understand history. genocide was not the only thing that won the nazis eternal infamy. the supreme crime at the nurmberg trials was precisely that other thing - the military aggression. all other crimes were assumed to stem from that one. saying otherwise is the same as being an appologetic for fascism as far as i am concerned. fascism would have been wrong even without the holocaust.

besides, making minorities wear badges is not a sure sign of future genocide. it is simply deplorable in the same way that apartheid was. if it gets implemented, mind.

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Lets bomb the fuckers.

And "accidentally" misdirect a few over to Syria, Sudan, and Venezuela... :wavey:

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 08:15 PM
and the thing is, the only people really suffering from the iranian regime are iranians themselves. i suppose for some people they don't suffer enough, so let's bomb them.

Martian Willow
May 19th, 2006, 08:20 PM
and the thing is, the only people really suffering from the iranian regime are iranians themselves. i suppose for some people they don't suffer enough, so let's bomb them.

Well, they voted for it, so its their fault. Just like its our fault when islamists blow up our tube trains. :)

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Well, they voted for it, so its their fault. Just like its our fault when islamists blow up our tube trains. :)
it's not "our" fault the terrorist attacks happen. it is a result of policies pursued by idiots. in the end we end up killing each other while them vultures get richer and more powerful.

Martian Willow
May 19th, 2006, 08:39 PM
Well then its still not my fault if we bomb them. So we should bomb them. :D

Nimrodg
May 19th, 2006, 08:49 PM
What many people seem to forget is that Ahmadinejad is one of the kidnappers during the Iran Hostage crisis in 1979. I'm not surprised by the recent developments which would in essence label all non-muslims in Iran.

He's an extremist that follows the footsteps of other muslim extremists who have committed terrorists acts. Ahmadinejad's recent denial that the Holocaust ever existed tells me a lot about this person, and the likelihood he could create another. He's said he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.

If there were any military response to Iran, I feel it will be by the Israeli's, whose political hands are not tied by the Iraqi War. I don't think the US electorate will permit us to enter another war in the middle east anytime soon, unless the US is directly attacked.

The Middle East should have learned its lesson, when Israel kicked their asses under overwhelming odds against Israel three short decades ago.


Well said :yeah:

azdaja,
again, I don't think you understand the meaning of such thing to the jews.

You are saying that we don't compare him to the nazis - but he acts completly like them and doing a thing that represent the seperation from jewish people to the other "civilians".
According to what you say about the actions that been done to stop Iran - The UN will TRY to stop them, in diplomtical ways. But meanwhile Ahmadinejad on his own and in every minute he can decide that he wants to wipe Israel of the map. It doesn't matter if the Iranians wants it or not - it's in his own hands, this man IS SICK and he have the abilities to do that.

Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 08:52 PM
it's not "our" fault the terrorist attacks happen. it is a result of policies pursued by idiots. in the end we end up killing each other while them vultures get richer and more powerful.

Let's get one thing straight.

Terrorists don't attack because of opposing Governmental Policies. They attack because of their extremist views of their practicing religion and intolerance of others religion.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Well said :yeah:

azdaja,
again, I don't think you understand the meaning of such thing to the jews.

You are saying that we don't compare him to the nazis - but he acts completly like them and doing a thing that represent the seperation from jewish people to the other "civilians".
According to what you say about the actions that been done to stop Iran - The UN will TRY to stop them, in diplomtical ways. But meanwhile Ahmadinejad on his own and in every minute he can decide that he wants to wipe Israel of the map. It doesn't matter if the Iranians wants it or not - it's in his own hands, this man IS SICK and he have the abilities to do that.
if you had any knowledge about iranian political system you would understand that he does not have that power (not to mention the fact that iran is still years from being able to produce nuclear weapons). besides, i don't think he is that mad. he is an idiot, but he is not stupid. reducing your opponent to the level of a madman is not wise.

Barrie_Dude
May 19th, 2006, 09:04 PM
I think this jackass in Iran is the second coming of Hitler! :scared:

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Let's get one thing straight.

Terrorists don't attack because of opposing Governmental Policies. They attack because of their extremist views of their practicing religion and intolerance of others religion.
you are blatantly wrong about that one. if that were the case terrorists would be attacking all "infidel" countries. but they don't attack all "infidels", just those who happen to mess around in the middle east. they are able to find recruits because some of the western countries are perceived as oppressors of their own kind and if everyone in the west acts like a dickhead and refuses to acknowledge this more people are going to support the terrorists.

Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 09:05 PM
besides, i don't think he is that mad. he is an idiot, but he is not stupid. reducing your opponent to the level of a madman is not wise.

He kidnapped Americans in 1979 and held them captive for well over a year.

He claims that the Jewish Holocaust never happened.

He has publicly claimed that he will wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

He's not very smart.

Eventually, he will end up like Sadaam Hussein.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:06 PM
Well then its still not my fault if we bomb them. So we should bomb them. :D
and it's not their fault if a suicide bomber somewhere hugs you and blows both of you up. let blood flow.

Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 09:08 PM
you are blatantly wrong about that one. if that were the case terrorists would be attacking all "infidel" countries. but they don't attack all "infidels", just those who happen to mess around in the middle east. they are able to find recruits because some of the western countries are perceived as oppressors of their own kind and if everyone in the west acts like a dickhead and refuses to acknowledge this more people are going to support the terrorists.

Almost every country in the world denounces terrorism because it is a cowardly act that kills innocent people.

You are clearly beginning to sound like one of the terrorist sympathizers with every posted article.

Keep talking.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:08 PM
He kidnapped Americans in 1979 and held them captive for well over a year.

He claims that the Jewish Holocaust never happened.

He has publicly claimed that he will wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

He's not very smart.

Eventually, he will end up like Sadaam Hussein.
what he says and does may appeal to some people, you know? he is aware of that fact, you are not. so who is not being smart here?

Mother_Marjorie
May 19th, 2006, 09:11 PM
what he says and does may appeal to some people, you know? he is aware of that fact, you are not. so who is not being smart here?

Anyone that attempts to face down Israel and the US is not intelligent. Just ask Saddam.

samsung101
May 19th, 2006, 09:14 PM
Human rights groups shouldn't be the ones getting
excited about this. As usual, they're a little late to the
party. Worrying more that the designer meals at
Gitmo are too cold for the prisoners, and their Korans
aren't clean enough. All the while, this nut is arresting
dissenters, killing them, and going into college dorm
rooms to root out the dissenters in Iran and removing
them - to who knows where.

Any human being with a brain should be getting worried
about this.

We can go back to Carter and the Shah and France and
the West, and all that, plenty of blame to go around
as to how this cycle got started. But, reality is this
guy is a nut, and he's deadly. He has billions to back
up his aims. At least people are paying attention now.

We had our chances in the 90's to slow this all down,
instead the USA and the West ignored Iran's true aims,
and were taken in again.

How do you negotiate with him? Iran lied for years,
and the totally useless UN inspectors fell for it again,'
a la North Korea, Iraq, Libya. I have no faith in the
UN or what it can do, it's aimed to delay and stall, not
get things done.

Then again, this guy doesn't believe there ever was a
Holocaust, so it's no big deal to him.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Almost every country in the world denounces terrorism because it is a cowardly act that kills innocent people.

You are clearly beginning to sound like one of the terrorist sympathizers with every posted article.

Keep talking.
how do i "clearly" sound like a "terrorist sympathiser"? it is perfectly obvious from my posts that i oppose both terrorism and the iranian regime. i just happen to understand the way they work better.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:19 PM
Anyone that attempts to face down Israel and the US is not intelligent. Just ask Saddam.
well, i think iran is in a very good position to play this game at the moment. the us is not really able to fight another war and the iranian people are strongly opposed to any attack on their country. even those who are against their own government. you can defy the us readily. you will get vilified for that, but you can do it. and you can do it now more than ever since the ww2.

John A Roark
May 19th, 2006, 09:41 PM
Azdaja has become irrelevant *sigh*
I had hopes, too...
Oh, well, life goes on.
(don't respond--I don't care and I am betting too many others agree with me. Just go away, please, until you can clean the black sludge from your heart)

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 09:47 PM
Azdaja has become irrelevant *sigh*
I had hopes, too...
Oh, well, life goes on.
(don't respond--I don't care and I am betting too many others agree with me. Just go away, please, until you can clean the black sludge from your heart)
there is no point in responding to this, is it? there are people who agree with me and there are people who don't. i am well aware of this. it's not up to you or anyone else to decide who is "irrelevant" or not, so why are you posting stuff like this here (especially given the fact that you "don't care")?

griffin
May 19th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Human rights groups shouldn't be the ones getting
excited about this. As usual, they're a little late to the
party.

You need to get your head out of Rush's ass. Human rights groups have been worried about Iran for decades.

There's a difference between recognizing a problem and wanting to drop bombs on it.

Helen Lawson
May 19th, 2006, 10:10 PM
That's Mayer's business. I never tell a man I respect how to run his business.

You're nothing but a rotten, crooked lawyer, supplying the grease that makes this shitty movie business work. You think your life's a mystery! There isn't a dirty cover-up in this entire business that I don't know about, and your hand is in every one of them, you reeek of it!

tenn_ace
May 19th, 2006, 10:11 PM
And "accidentally" misdirect a few over to Syria, Sudan, and Venezuela... :wavey:


Wow... this post is extremely fucked up. If you don't agree, then you should be alos ok with Russia bombing Ukraine and Georgia, China going after Japan, Venezuela dopping a few on Florida, etc. Where do we stop? :rolleyes:

GrandSlam05
May 19th, 2006, 10:19 PM
You're nothing but a rotten, crooked lawyer, supplying the grease that makes this shitty movie business work. You think your life's a mystery! There isn't a dirty cover-up in this entire business that I don't know about, and your hand is in every one of them, you reeek of it!
DAMN YOU! Are you CRAZY? No person talks to me like that, NO ONE ANYWHERE! Are you crazy? ARE YOU? Tell me! TELL ME!

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Wow... this post is extremely fucked up. If you don't agree, then you should be alos ok with Russia bombing Ukraine and Georgia, China going after Japan, Venezuela dopping a few on Florida, etc. Where do we stop? :rolleyes:

Where do we stop? Hell, where do we begin? :rolleyes:

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 10:39 PM
just don't bomb graz, please :p

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 10:40 PM
graz :sad:

Hey, I deleted that post :ras:

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Hey, I deleted that post :ras:
sorry :o

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 10:41 PM
sorry :o

So delete your's that's quoting it! :p

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM
So delete your's that's quoting it! :p
i will edit it, ok. it's not right though, it contains a popular joke from here :(

but no problem

Timariot
May 19th, 2006, 10:55 PM
iran is a dictatorship, but not as bad as the nazi regime was. it has not attacked anyone, does not intend to attack anyone and does not have the ability to do so. iranian regime persecutes minorities (as do many other countries around the world) and has some seriously backward laws, but it is not comparable to nazi germany.

Iran's not a dictatorship. It's something between a democracy and theocracy (or oligharcy). The president himself doesn't have all that much power.

If they really insist on following Islamic law, it rules genocide of Jews straight out. Muhammed instructed to treat "People of the Book" (ie. other Abrahamic religions) well. Iranians have extended the concept to some other monotheistic religions as well (like Zoroastrianism).

In my opinion, this Ahmadinejad stuff is just an old trick of covering internal problems by conjuring up an external enemy. Do you really think he actually gives a crap about some Palestinians, who are Sunni and Arabs? The '90s were marked by Islamic theocrats losing their grip of the people, and the Council probably decided that they need some "threat" to unite them. The funny thing is that Israel actually helped Iran in its' war against Iraq.

azdaja
May 19th, 2006, 11:00 PM
In my opinion, this Ahmadinejad stuff is just an old trick of covering internal problems by conjuring up an external enemy. Do you really think he actually gives a crap about some Palestinians, who are Sunni and Arabs?
no, i agree with you. it's not as simple as that, but it's much closer to the real world than comparisons to the nazis.

good to see there are people who are sophisticated enough to understand this instead of just talking about the new hitler.

wipeout
May 20th, 2006, 12:38 AM
you are blatantly wrong about that one. if that were the case terrorists would be attacking all "infidel" countries. but they don't attack all "infidels", just those who happen to mess around in the middle east. they are able to find recruits because some of the western countries are perceived as oppressors of their own kind and if everyone in the west acts like a dickhead and refuses to acknowledge this more people are going to support the terrorists.

Yes, I was reading a review of a book by an expert on Middle-Eastern terrorism recently in which it pointed out that most terrorists' battles have aims which are local, not international. They want rid of local leaders, etc. and had not interest abroad to any great extent. A lot of them were opposed to bin Laden attacking the USA because they feared a nation as powerful as the USA getting involved in a battle against them.

PointBlank
May 20th, 2006, 01:37 AM
:rolleyes:.

Iran was once such a peaceful nation. I love US involvement. They should have never tried to help a nation that needed none.

Timariot
May 20th, 2006, 01:44 AM
Yes, I was reading a review of a book by an expert on Middle-Eastern terrorism recently in which it pointed out that most terrorists' battles have aims which are local, not international. They want rid of local leaders, etc. and had not interest abroad to any great extent. A lot of them were opposed to bin Laden attacking the USA because they feared a nation as powerful as the USA getting involved in a battle against them.

Yes...vast majority of the people who are killed by Islamic terrorists and militants, are other Muslims. Probably at least 95% or so.

Lord Nelson
May 20th, 2006, 01:50 AM
Life under Khomenei
Wow, this guy is portrayed as a moderate :eek:

'For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. But the Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight. When Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets. Khomeini's call to rise up against the Shah took away any doubt in the minds of many devoted Muslim women about the propriety of taking to the streets during the day or at night.[7]

The late 1980s and early 1990s witnessed a marked increase of employment for women. This increase was much more than the rate prior to the revolution. Such dramatic change in the pattern of labor force participation might not have been possible if Khomeini had not broken the barriers to women entering into the public sphere. Educational attainment for women, also a product of free education and the literacy campaign, contributed to this increase. In fact, today there are more women in higher education than there are men. The Islamic Republic had adopted certain policies to expand educational levels for women in order to ensure that sexual segregation paid off. These policies were to encourage women to become skilled workers in domains exclusive to women. For example, the government set quotas for female pediatricians and gynecologists and set up barriers against women wanting to become civil engineers.[8]

Khomeini supported family planning, a program through which the government called upon women to distribute contraceptives, as well as organ transplants.' [9] Wikipedia

tenn_ace
May 20th, 2006, 02:57 AM
Where do we stop? Hell, where do we begin? :rolleyes:


How about your house when your whole family (including you) is there. If you still like it, we can proceed to where you want to go.:rolleyes:

cheesestix
May 20th, 2006, 06:07 AM
However, I will say that, as someone who has no problem with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons at the moment, this news causes me to consider re-thinking that issue.

:rolleyes:

Of course. Religion identification badges are enough to make you rethink the situation. But something so trivial as Iran saying that they want to wipe Israel off of the map just wasn't enough to catch your eye? :confused:

darrinbaker00
May 20th, 2006, 06:23 AM
:rolleyes:

Of course. Religion identification badges are enough to make you rethink the situation. But something so trivial as Iran saying that they want to wipe Israel off of the map just wasn't enough to catch your eye? :confused:
No, it wasn't. Any other questions?

cheesestix
May 20th, 2006, 06:31 AM
No, it wasn't. Any other questions?

Well, I wasn't talking to you. So the question (although rhetorical) still stands. :rolleyes:

BTW, you're sad. :tape:

darrinbaker00
May 20th, 2006, 06:40 AM
Well, I wasn't talking to you. So the question (although rhetorical) still stands. :rolleyes:
I can respond to any post I choose, and there are two things you can do about it: nothing, and like it. Since you responded to my post, you obviously chose the latter.
BTW, you're sad. :tape:
Thank you. ;)

cheesestix
May 20th, 2006, 06:52 AM
I can respond to any post I choose, and there are two things you can do about it: nothing, and like it. Since you responded to my post, you obviously chose the latter.

Thank you. ;)

Ooooh, zinger.

darrinbaker00
May 20th, 2006, 06:58 AM
Ooooh, zinger.
I'm glad you liked it.

Wait a second.....that was another attempt at sarcasm, wasn't it? How in the name of Monty Python could I have missed that? You win again!

cheesestix
May 20th, 2006, 07:05 AM
You win again!

Although you intend to be sarcastic with that, your little episode tonight tells me that it's true. :cool:

darrinbaker00
May 20th, 2006, 07:14 AM
Although you intend to be sarcastic with that, your little episode tonight tells me that it's true. :cool:
Sadly, anyone who has read more than one of your posts knows that you actually believe that.

cheesestix
May 20th, 2006, 07:33 AM
Sadly, anyone who has read more than one of your posts knows that you actually believe that.

That's because you only prove it out, time and again. I don't seek out your posts. But you can't say the same. (e.g. tonight) :rolleyes: Like I said, bitter much? :tape:

darrinbaker00
May 20th, 2006, 07:48 AM
That's because you only prove it out, time and again. I don't seek out your posts. But you can't say the same. (e.g. tonight) :rolleyes: Like I said, bitter much? :tape:
Like I said, I'm not you, so I have no need to be bitter. By the way, that was a nice quick edit you did.

Helen Lawson
May 21st, 2006, 10:23 PM
DAMN YOU! Are you CRAZY? No person talks to me like that, NO ONE ANYWHERE! Are you crazy? ARE YOU? Tell me! TELL ME!

I'm crazy!