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GoDominique
May 18th, 2006, 09:50 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=1972273

Black soccer fans told to avoid parts of Germany

May 17, 2006 — BERLIN (Reuters) - Black soccer fans attending the World Cup are risking their lives if they stray into parts of Germany where neo-Nazi attacks are on the rise, an anti-racism campaigner said on Wednesday.
Supporters should avoid parts of the eastern German state of Brandenburg, said Uwe-Karsten Heye, head of anti-racist organization "Gesicht zeigen" ("Show face"), referring to the former communist state which surrounds Berlin.

"There are small and medium-sized towns in Brandenburg and other places where I would recommend that nobody with a different skin color go," Heye, a former government spokesman, told radio station Deutschlandradio Kultur.

"They would possibly not leave there alive."

Thousands of foreign fans will travel to Germany for the tournament, which begins on June 9 and runs for a month.

A German-Ethiopian man was seriously injured in what police suspect was a racially motivated attack in the Brandenburg capital of Potsdam last month.

Around 100 people have been killed in far-right violence since German reunification in 1990. The attacks have often been directed at dark-skinned foreigners and most have occurred in the ex-communist east.

GoDominique
May 18th, 2006, 09:52 PM
... and the discussion that followed: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,416904,00.html

IS EASTERN GERMANY SAFE FOR FOREIGNERS?

Racism Warning Has German Hackles Raised

On Wednesday, a former government spokesman said black visitors to Germany should be careful where they go in the country. His remarks have drawn criticism -- and support.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,628147,00.jpg (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,grossbild-628146-416904,00.html)
Former government spokesman Uwe-Karsten Heye says some parts of Germany are dangerous for foreigners.

It doesn't take much to try Germany's patience in the weeks leading up to the World Cup soccer championships. Nerves are especially raw when it comes to comments and incidents that cast doubt on the country's hospitality and its openness to the millions of international guests expected to descend on the country in June. On Wednesday and Thursday, that sensitivity was laid bare for all to see.

A former government spokesman on Wednesday suggested that dark-skinned visitors to Germany should consider avoiding the eastern part of the country where racism runs high. "There are small and medium-sized towns in Brandenburg, as well as elsewhere, which I would advise a visitor of another skin colour to avoid going to," said Uwe-Karsten Heye, who now leads an anti-racism organization called "Show Your Color." "It is possible he wouldn't get out alive."

The comments came as part of an interview with the public radio station Deutschlandradio Kultur about how right-wing extremism and racism can be combated in Germany. Heye also said there was an increasing tendency in the country to look the other way when it comes to right-wing violence. His comments about "no-go" areas in Germany came as a response to a question about whether tourists from Togo or the Ivory Coast should feel comfortable travelling anywhere in Germany.

But by specifically mentioning Brandenburg, the eastern German state surrounding Berlin, Heye ensured a swift reaction. The governor of Brandenburg, Matthias Platzeck, called Heye's statements an "unjustifiable slandering of entire regions within Brandenburg." The state's Interior Minister Jörg Schönbohm demanded Heye's resignation from "Show Your Color." And even the Turkish-German parliamentarian Ekin Deligöz from the Green Party warned against overstating things. "That's want they want," he said referring to right-wing extremists. "They want foreigners to stay home and not even to come to Germany in the first place."

The uproar comes just weeks after an apparently racist attack against an Ethiopian-German in the Brandenburg state capital of Potsdam, just outside of Berlin. Almost a month after the attack, the victim remains in hospital with severe head injuries. Earlier this week, reports of a racist attack on an Italian in Berlin once again stirred up opprobrium, though it was later revealed that the alleged victim may have invented the incident.



And most are willing to admit that there are parts of Germany with a very real problem with racism. Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a Green Party representative in the European Parliament, came to Heye's defense by saying: "The reality is school classes with many immigrant children question whether it is safe to go to Brandenburg or Mecklenburg-West Pomerania" -- another state in eastern Germany -- "for camping trips."

Yonas Endrias, a member of Germany's African Council, likewise supported Heye. "None of us blacks would go on an outing in Brandenburg," he said. "There is also racism in western Germany, but as a black person, the chances of being attacked in an eastern German village are much higher." Following the Potsdam attack in April, the Africa Council spoke of areas in eastern Germany which blacks should avoid.

On Thursday, as a reponse to the furor, Heye clarified his remarks by saying he didn't intend to single out Brandenburg. He also praised the state's extensive efforts to combat right-wing extremism. But he didn't back down. "We cannot make it the responsibility of the victims to decide how to defend themselves from racism and anti-Semitism," he wrote in a statement for the online version of Vorwärts, a Social Democrat Party publication which he edits. "This is the responsibility of the pluralistic society. Unfortunately, the tendency to look away has increased."

TeaMMashA
May 18th, 2006, 09:53 PM
Im sure if they stick with their fans in groups their wont be any problem at all but this is sick

Lord Nelson
May 18th, 2006, 09:56 PM
The politician is an extemist of the left, so soccer fans should not listen to what he says. Germany is a safe country and so is the eastern part. I hade no problem going to those places when I went to Berlin etc.. recently. There is racism in the country but no more, no less than in other nations.

matthias
May 18th, 2006, 10:19 PM
great info for the fans
on the one hand germany has the slogan "a time to make friends"
and on the other hands they tell them not to go to eastern germany

that really a shame for germany

hablo
May 18th, 2006, 10:20 PM
Well, it's good that they are warning foreigners of this stuff...

Wannabeknowitall
May 18th, 2006, 11:57 PM
It looks like some things never change in Germany. When my grandmother was in the army about 50 years ago, the Germans always looked at her in a weird way especially at her backside.
She found out why after being there a couple of months. Supposedly many Germans at that time believed that black people had "tails" (I guess meaning they originated from monkeys), and were just trying to find out where they were hiding the tail.
Things such as this are not surprising coming from Germany.
I just hope they can understand they're not too different from America.
Obviously there seems to be some prosperity there even though there seems to be a pretty big group of people who still live in ignorance.

Slumpsova
May 19th, 2006, 12:19 AM
i thought no more racism in Germany :shrug:

SelesFan70
May 19th, 2006, 02:25 AM
i thought no more racism in Germany :shrug:

Or in Europe in general.. :spit:


:rolleyes:

gsm
May 19th, 2006, 02:37 AM
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2024935,00.html
Former Government Spokesman Warns of Racist Hotspots

World Cup visitors who aren't white should steer clear of the state of Brandenburg, a former government spokesman cautioned on Wednesday. His warning caused a storm of outrage -- as well as agreement -- from politicians

gsm
May 19th, 2006, 02:40 AM
A German-Ethiopian man was seriously injured in what police suspect was a racially motivated attack in the Brandenburg capital of Potsdam last month.

Around 100 people have been killed in far-right violence since German reunification in 1990. The attacks have often been directed at dark-skinned foreigners and most have occurred in the ex-communist east.
omg

Black Mamba.
May 19th, 2006, 04:17 AM
Folks like that have that same coward racist mentality everywhere. If the fans stick together in a group folks probably aren't going to start stuff with them. These type of people only like to pick on individuals.

GoDominique
May 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Or in Europe in general.. :spit:


:rolleyes:
Can you explain to me please, why exactly did you think that? :)

TeaMMashA
May 19th, 2006, 09:44 AM
Can you explain to me please, why exactly did you think that? :)

yes i mean look at Spain with Sameul Eto'o the Cameroonian playing for Barcelona and against England they did monkey chants to alot of English players

furrykitten
May 19th, 2006, 09:47 AM
Racism is widespread in some Europeon countries, when you listen to matches in Spain and Italy you always hear the monkey chants.

dementieva's fan
May 19th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Racism is widespread in some Europeon countries, when you listen to matches in Spain and Italy you always hear the monkey chants.
What's a monkey chant?

furrykitten
May 19th, 2006, 11:56 AM
What's a monkey chant?

Imitating the noise a monkey/ape/baboon make.

Lord Nelson
May 19th, 2006, 12:48 PM
He meant monkey noises, not monkey chants :lol:
But seriously, these noises are just found in the stadiums and not in Europe in general. Eastern Germany is just as fine as southern spain, eastern estonia, northern nicaragua or western wales.