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SelesFan70
May 17th, 2006, 03:46 PM
:tape: :angel:

Bans, protests, boycotts
Protests were brewing in several countries.

In India, the government Tuesday put a temporary hold on the movie's release because of complaints, The Associated Press reported.

In South Korea, which has 13 million Protestants and 4.6 million Roman Catholics, a court ruled Tuesday that a Christian group's request for an injunction to block screenings lacked merit. The Christian Council of Korea, an umbrella group of 63 South Korean Protestant denominations, said it respected the ruling but would lead a boycott of the movie, which it said defiles the sanctity of Jesus Christ and distorts facts, AP reported.

In mostly Hindu India, which is also home to 18 million Roman Catholics, Joseph Dias, head of the Catholic Secular Forum, began a hunger strike in downtown Mumbai and said other people were joining him.

"We want the movie to be banned," he said.

The film had been set for release in India on Friday and had already been cleared by the national censor board. But Information and Broadcasting Minister Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi said he put a temporary hold on the movie after receiving more than 200 complaints.

In Thailand, Columbia Pictures has appealed a ruling by government censors to cut the final 10 minutes of "The Da Vinci Code," police said, after Thai church leaders complained the film's content was insulting.

Philippine censors approved an adult rating for the movie but stopped short of rating it "X" because "it does not constitute a clear, express or direct attack on the Catholic church or religion" and does not libel or defame any person.

The movie-review panel's chairwoman, Marissa Laguardia, told The Associated Press that the movie would be a "test of faith" for many people in the predominantly Roman Catholic Philippines.

The National Council of Churches in Singapore, which also had requested a ban, planned lectures to refute aspects of the film and the book on which it is based. The censorship board gave the movie an NC16 rating, barring viewers under 16, arguing that "only a mature audience will be able to discern and differentiate between fact and fiction."

Also, while not planning a protest or boycott, members of the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation expressed unhappiness with the film's heavy, a monk-assassin, being an albino, as described in the book.

Michael McGowan, an albino who heads the organization, said "The Da Vinci Code" will be the 68th movie since 1960 to feature an evil albino. He said the group aims to use the movie's popularity to raise awareness about the realities of albinism. People with albinism have little or no pigmentation in their skin, eyes and hair.

After making its print debut in 2003, "The DaVinci Code" has since sold more than 60.5 million copies and has been translated into 44 languages.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/17/da.vinci/index.html

Pureracket
May 17th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Your Title Should Probably read:Catholics Protest "Da Vinci": No Riots, Burning Embassies, Or Calls For Beheadings but Continue to Rape and Molest Altar Boys

firehorse
May 17th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Your Title Should Probably read:Catholics Protest "Da Vinci": No Riots, Burning Embassies, Or Calls For Beheadings but Continue to Rape and Molest Altar Boys

Thats funny!!.:haha: .you are bad.....bad...
It is ture..more molesting boys in catholics churches.

GrandSlam05
May 17th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Catholicism is bad no doubt, but not even close to Islam.

wateva
May 17th, 2006, 05:08 PM
it's just a movie... why are they so worked up? :rolleyes:
i think people will believe what they want to believe. no matter how hard the facts are.

Rtael
May 17th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Catholics used to be as bad....give Islam another 800 years and we'll see where they're at then.

azdaja
May 17th, 2006, 05:14 PM
catholics have no reason to get violent about stuff at the moment. has someone from outside invaded their lands, tortured their people etc. in a way that can be interpreted as a war against catholicism?

people should start pretending that some religions are more dangerous than others. that's rubbish.

azdaja
May 17th, 2006, 05:16 PM
it should also be noted that for the most part muslims also protested without violence. but the few violent incidents were reported so widely in the media that it was blown out of proportions.

GrandSlam05
May 17th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Catholics used to be as bad....give Islam another 800 years and we'll see where they're at then.
Very true. But I don't plan on being alive in 800 years, do you? Way back when, quality of life was much lower, science wasn't very far advanced, so religion basically had a stranglehold. Nowadays, it's ridiculous some people are worried about cartoons, movies etc. when we've got much bigger problems.

*JR*
May 17th, 2006, 05:34 PM
catholics have no reason to get violent about stuff at the moment. has someone from outside invaded their lands, tortured their people etc. in a way that can be interpreted as a war against catholicism?

Uh, in Ireland, 6 northern counties are still under British occupation.

firehorse
May 17th, 2006, 05:53 PM
all religions are the same..none of them is better than others....just be fair...none of us see Allah, God, Jesus, Buddha or Mohammed....all teach same thing...respect other people...

azdaja
May 17th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Uh, in Ireland, 6 northern counties are still under British occupation.
that's true and they were actually into terrorism because of that. and protestant provocations still can cause some violence. just like provocations against muslims in a right-wing newspaper in denmark can.

so yeah, we are all human.

timafi
May 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM
the Catholic Church should take care of their priests and Cardinals who are either molesting boys and for the others not doing a damn thing to stop what's happening by turning a blind eye and moving those mofing freaks from parishes to parishes instead of calling them out as molesters that they are:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

tterb
May 17th, 2006, 06:59 PM
In mostly Hindu India, which is also home to 18 million Roman Catholics, Joseph Dias, head of the Catholic Secular Forum, began a hunger strike in downtown Mumbai and said other people were joining him.
Here's hoping the movie has a looong run in theaters. :angel:

In all seriousness, though, instead of wasting (yes, wasting) your time boycotting a fictional movie that goes against your own beliefs (which are debatably fictional as well), why don't you actually get busy *gasp* following God's word?

Wow, that's radical of me, I know, to expect a follower of a religion to spend more time following the religion's principles than defending it from perceived attacks. Get back to me when you aren't being allowed to freely practice your religion - then I'll support your cause. Until then, realize religion is based on faith, not facts - that means, as far as I'm concerned, if I want to watch this movie, I should be able to do so. Censorship is not a viable choice.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure your God would rather you raise money for the poor or collect food for the hungry than make some inane point by starving yourself. So yeah. Get over yourself.

/end rant/

GrandSlam05
May 17th, 2006, 06:59 PM
all religions are the same..none of them is better than others....just be fair...none of us see Allah, God, Jesus, Buddha or Mohammed....all teach same thing...respect other people...
Respect other people? What about people of different religion, race, economic class, women, gays, etc?
Religion teaches worship and devotion to a God, not humanism.

saniafan2005
May 17th, 2006, 09:29 PM
it is just an movie!!!why so much fuss!!
if you don't want to watch, don't watch...

PointBlank
May 17th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Catholicism is bad no doubt, but not even close to Islam.

That was extremely rude and Islam has nothing to do with this thread. Why bring it up?

*JR*
May 17th, 2006, 09:59 PM
...The basic principle of monotheistic religions...
I hope everyone realizes how silly the concept of monotheism is. (Of course it was created by various ppls who probably knew of the existence of a small fraction OF the small fraction of a billion ppl on our one "center of the universe" planet then).

We now have @ least 6 billion (6,000,000,000) ppl on earth. Lets say the Milky Way has "only" 1 billion "suns" in it, of which only 1/1000 (1 million) have planets that support life, of which only 1/1000 is "intelligent life". That makes 6,000,000,000,000 if they average 6 billion such beings each. (I'm deliberately using the zeroes for illustration).

The galaxy is part of a "supercluster" of lets say 1 billion galaxies. So we're up to (gosh, easier to cut & paste now) 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. And if there are "only" a billion such superclusters, then (using the same averages) the "One God" has a err, "flock" of 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 intelligent beings whose lives to monitor.

I sure hope "He" gets ovatime! :lol: BTW atheists: this doesn't prove your case one bit, there may be a huge hierarchy where the being the "take it on faith" crowd like Denise and Erika are worshipping is a celestial functionary whose authority is limited to 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the above.
:shrug:

dementieva's fan
May 17th, 2006, 10:18 PM
More free publcity for the movie

A complete guide for making the next Hollywood blockbuster

1. Buy a Camera (duh), get a few actors together and make a cheap movie.
2. Piss off the Catholic Church.
3. Watch as the Catholics give your movie free publicity that you could have never dreamt of.
4. Sit back relax and watch as your movie shatters box office and grosses millions.

Catholics are so good at giving publicity they should be in the marketing business :shrug:

Sam L
May 17th, 2006, 10:58 PM
LMFAO at the title, but it's so true. :tape:

*JR*
May 17th, 2006, 11:14 PM
I appreciate your "cynism" JR, and agree that we're not alone in the universe. The idea of monitoring each and every being does not sound meaningful to me either. I cannot conceive of it. Yet, it's in the nature of faith to believe in it, isn't it? I have been questioning my faith so often lately, and I end up believing in there being a design to the universe which cannot be a chain of coincidences. Leaving aside the God-as-monitoring concept, the idea of a creator still remains in its central position in my faith...
Many posters here (and enlightened religious ppl in general) have dropped the notion of whether "God" is a male being as totally irrelevant. Cannot the same be done with the (IMO illogical, as illustrated above) idea of "God" meaning ONE SINGLE BEING?
:confused:

K-Dog
May 18th, 2006, 12:01 AM
IT'S FICTION FOLKS!!!! As I said in my last post in the thread about that Nigerian cardinal, Catholics are WAY TOO conservative and take offense to anything that might insinuate that they have faults in their religion. It shows how self-conscienous they are because they know that their religion has faults and has stupid unheralded rules that make no constitution to the Bible itself. Catholics tend to have no backup to what they say and the rules that govern them. They don't think for themselves and are just puppets to whatver comes out of the Vatican's/Pope's mouth. Because the Pope said it, it must be Gospel. Or because the Bible said it, it must be true and nothing can refute it. Most of them don't even think about the rules that the Church gives them to follow and just think that by doing whatever the Church tells them to do, they are going to be saved. Sorry folks, the Church has been wrong in the past and there are more than one way to look at things.

btw, if anyone tries to attack me on this statement, I was Confirmed last year at this time inthe Catholic Church, so I know what i'm talking about. I just recently changed to non-dominational for the moment until I find another form of Christianity I agree with.

Pureracket
May 18th, 2006, 12:08 AM
http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifCatholics Protest "... (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=8064155#post8064155)May 17th, 2006 05:19 PMJoseosu19 (http://www.wtaworld.com/member.php?u=216)Lame comments; as if such things don't happen in other religions.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

meyerpl
May 18th, 2006, 01:16 AM
That was extremely rude and Islam has nothing to do with this thread. Why bring it up?
Unless I'm mistaken about the intent of the thread starter, Islam has everything to do with this thread.

firehorse
May 18th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Respect other people? What about people of different religion, race, economic class, women, gays, etc?
Religion teaches worship and devotion to a God, not humanism.

Beside whorship to God..we all are taught to respect any human being...
I will not say which religions is better than otehrs...you should be wiser....
Noone knows the truth..if you ahve a blieve and faith..go for it..leave other people alone...

meyerpl
May 18th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I appreciate your "cynism" JR, and agree that we're not alone in the universe. The idea of monitoring each and every being does not sound meaningful to me either. I cannot conceive of it. Yet, it's in the nature of faith to believe in it, isn't it? I have been questioning my faith so often lately, and I end up believing in there being a design to the universe which cannot be a chain of coincidences. Leaving aside the God-as-monitoring concept, the idea of a creator still remains in its central position in my faith...
I hope like hell if there is a God, I'm not being monitored too closely. If I am, I'm going to have a lot of explaining to do someday.

firehorse
May 18th, 2006, 01:23 AM
Unless I'm mistaken about the intent of the thread starter, Islam has everything to do with this thread.

READ it again..Islam is nothing to do with it..it seems that you and Grandslams are moslem haters...try to be tolerant to others....none of religions is better than others....

meyerpl
May 18th, 2006, 01:37 AM
READ it again..Islam is nothing to do with it..it seems that you and Grandslams are moslem haters...try to be tolerant to others....none of religions is better than others....
I'm a Moslem hater? How in the world did you arrive at that conclusion?
I believe the thread-starter, without coming right out and saying so, was drawing a comparison between the reaction to the Danish cartoons and the reaction to the Da Vinci Code. I made no comment whatsoever beyond that. How does that make me a Moslem hater?

RVD
May 18th, 2006, 01:38 AM
Now I'd kill to see this movie. :lol:
It's either incredibly profound or unbelievably damaging to garner this much criticism! :worship: :bounce:

meyerpl
May 18th, 2006, 01:45 AM
Now I'd kill to see this movie. :lol:
It's either incredibly profound or unbelievably damaging to garner this much criticism! :worship: :bounce:
Hey Ree! I don't think you're going to have to kill to see the movie, theatre management will settle for you purchasing a ticket. From what I've gathered, the folks who are most upset about the movie have neither read the book nor viewed the picture and they won't. It's the premise that Jesus married a woman and fathered children that has them up-in-arms.

RVD
May 18th, 2006, 01:54 AM
I hope everyone realizes how silly the concept of monotheism is. (Of course it was created by various ppls who probably knew of the existence of a small fraction OF the small fraction of a billion ppl on our one "center of the universe" planet then).

We now have @ least 6 billion (6,000,000,000) ppl on earth. Lets say the Milky Way has "only" 1 billion "suns" in it, of which only 1/1000 (1 million) have planets that support life, of which only 1/1000 is "intelligent life". That makes 6,000,000,000,000 if they average 6 billion such beings each. (I'm deliberately using the zeroes for illustration).

The galaxy is part of a "supercluster" of lets say 1 billion galaxies. So we're up to (gosh, easier to cut & paste now) 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. And if there are "only" a billion such superclusters, then (using the same averages) the "One God" has a err, "flock" of 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 intelligent beings whose lives to monitor.

I sure hope "He" gets ovatime! :lol: BTW atheists: this doesn't prove your case one bit, there may be a huge hierarchy where the being the "take it on faith" crowd like Denise and Erika are worshipping is a celestial functionary whose authority is limited to 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the above.
:shrug:I had this conversation with my (Catholic) wife last night...sans all the zeros. :lol: ;)

RVD
May 18th, 2006, 02:15 AM
Hey Ree! I don't think you're going to have to kill to see the movie, theatre management will settle for you purchasing a ticket. From what I've gathered, the folks who are most upset about the movie have neither read the book nor viewed the picture and they won't. It's the premise that Jesus married a woman and fathered children that has them up-in-arms.You mean I really don't have to kill?
*phew* That's a relief.
For a moment there, I thought I'd have to add yet another transgression to my already overflowing cup. :lol: And let me tell you, my cup doth runneth over. ;)

And why is Jesus marrying a woman such a blasphemous thing? He was human, right. And didn't the Jews believe in marriage. In fact, demand such?

As far as the Catholics are concerned...
They have a problem with Homosexuals, and now they have a problem with Jesus being married?!?!?! You'd think the Pope would use this movie in some way as to promote Jesus's masculinity. :shrug:

O.K., so neither has anything to do with the other, but ya'll catch my drift, right? :haha:

Seriously though...
I thought that the Bible promoted propagation of the masses.
Would Jesus being married and fathering children be so bad?
Can someone explain the problem? Moreover, as already pointed out,

....IT'S JUST A FICTIONAL MOVIE. :shrug:

Erika_Angel
May 18th, 2006, 02:23 AM
It is going over the top trying to get this film banned. I think it is widely known that alot of these theories are untrue or at least unproven and that the novel (despite being crap IMO) is a work of fiction. That being said the story is quite inventive so I will see the film, hopefully it is better than the book, and make my own judgement.

Meanwhile please note that most parish priests, cardinals etc are upstanding gentlemen who would never think of ever doing anything like the very small minority which has been widely reported. The fact that the act of molesting a child has been somehow linked to priests I find very desturbing.

Pureracket
May 18th, 2006, 03:08 AM
Meanwhile please note that most parish priests, cardinals etc are upstanding gentlemen who would never think of ever doing anything like the very small minority which has been widely reported. The fact that the act of molesting a child has been somehow linked to priests I find very desturbing. If that's, indeed, the case with you, then I can't wait to read what you have to type about how disturbed you are at the branding of an entire religion(Catholicism happens to be a denomination) as a group of people who behead and burn and riot.

dementieva's fan
May 18th, 2006, 04:35 AM
It is going over the top trying to get this film banned. I think it is widely known that alot of these theories are untrue or at least unproven and that the novel (despite being crap IMO) is a work of fiction.


Opinions are like farts, everyone can throw in their own but at the end of the day they all stink!!

meyerpl
May 18th, 2006, 05:02 AM
You mean I really don't have to kill?
*phew* That's a relief.
For a moment there, I thought I'd have to add yet another transgression to my already overflowing cup. :lol: And let me tell you, my cup doth runneth over. ;)


Seriously though...
I thought that the Bible promoted propagation of the masses.
Would Jesus being married and fathering children be so bad?
Can someone explain the problem? Moreover, as already pointed out,

....IT'S JUST A FICTIONAL MOVIE. :shrug:
Ree, Join the club on that overflowing cup thing. That's why I hope I'm not being monitored too closely by a higher power.
As for the question of why the premise of the book/film is considered so blasphemous, I'll leave that to an informed Catholic/Christian. I believe Jesus's celibacy is regarded as a holy thing.

gsm
May 18th, 2006, 05:09 AM
it should also be noted that for the most part muslims also protested without violence. but the few violent incidents were reported so widely in the media that it was blown out of proportions.
dozens of people killed world wide/death threats/burning of embassies over a bunch of cartoons...

IMO the proportion of media coverage was very lacking.

fifiricci
May 18th, 2006, 09:41 AM
Your Title Should Probably read:Catholics Protest "Da Vinci": No Riots, Burning Embassies, Or Calls For Beheadings but Continue to Rape and Molest Altar Boys

and let's add "turning a blind eye to the Holocaust"

Halardfan
May 18th, 2006, 09:44 AM
The book is clearly a work of half-truth, legend, and stuff they just made up becuase it sounded quite exciting.








And that's just the Bible. :eek: ;)

John A Roark
May 18th, 2006, 10:35 AM
instead of wasting (yes, wasting) your time boycotting a fictional movie that goes against your own beliefs (which are debatably fictional as well), why don't you actually get busy *gasp* following God's word?
This is the be-all and end-all to the intellectual posturing.
Summed up very nicely.
The ideal prescription.
I wondered when some else would state the obvious.
Thank you.

Yasmine
May 18th, 2006, 11:16 AM
It is going over the top trying to get this film banned. I think it is widely known that alot of these theories are untrue or at least unproven and that the novel (despite being crap IMO) is a work of fiction. That being said the story is quite inventive so I will see the film, hopefully it is better than the book, and make my own judgement.

Meanwhile please note that most parish priests, cardinals etc are upstanding gentlemen who would never think of ever doing anything like the very small minority which has been widely reported. The fact that the act of molesting a child has been somehow linked to priests I find very desturbing.
that's the whole problem, it's a fiction but obviously people are ignorant enough to believe that can be true. A lot of things that are in the book are made for fiction. The thing that the Catholic Church didn't like (that's my opinion and I'm not lacking respect for it at all) is that it might make people ask themselves questions about the whole thing. And obviously that's the last thing any religious authority would want.
I am not surprised it got bad critics at all actually but I'll go and see it as well for myself and see what they've made of the book.
You're absolutely right about priest etc Erika, but as always it's the problem with generalisation. And the same goes with muslim atm, people associate all muslims to terrorism when thankfully it's far from being the case;) But all the media show is priest associated with child molesting or rape or muslims associated with putting bombs... and people are not critical enough to realise it's only a small portion of it

azdaja
May 18th, 2006, 11:23 AM
dozens of people killed world wide/death threats/burning of embassies over a bunch of cartoons...

IMO the proportion of media coverage was very lacking.
well, something was lacking from media coverage indeed. the cartoons were just a trigger, the reasons for anger were deeper. but i argued about it enough back then, i suppose who did not understand it then won't understand it now.

Erika_Angel
May 18th, 2006, 01:10 PM
If that's, indeed, the case with you, then I can't wait to read what you have to type about how disturbed you are at the branding of an entire religion(Catholicism happens to be a denomination) as a group of people who behead and burn and riot.

I am fully aware Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity ... I don't think I even mentioned the word 'catholic' in my original post so I'm not sure why you would assume I didn't know that.

Meanwhile which religion is branded as a group of people who behead, burn & riot? Christianity? Maybe the extremists yes, but the rest of us are rolling our eyes at them ... trust me.


Opinions are like farts, everyone can throw in their own but at the end of the day they all stink!!

I said that I liked the storyline but the way it was written was just not to my liking, I found it crap, I expressed that :) Noone can argue that this book is a literary masterpiece, please, it is written in very colloquial english, and as a result has a much wider audience than say ... 'War & Peace' or 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' etc. I prefer those types of books (in fact I love them :hearts:) so yeh ... my choice :)

Meanwhile as much as I admit I am fabulous, stalkers have never been my favourite thing, so keep your distance thanks :angel:

tennisrox
May 18th, 2006, 04:22 PM
it is just an movie!!!why so much fuss!!
if you don't want to watch, don't watch...

Post of the day :worship:

Lord Nelson
May 18th, 2006, 07:24 PM
Contrary to what some may think the Vatican has not condemned the movie. They have ignored it. There are of course Priests etc.. who are against the movie but that is their own point of view and there are also priests who are not against the movie. Much of the media wanted the movie to be bashed by the Vatican but that was not the case and the critics then were not too interested in the movie. :lol:
I would have probably watched the movie but I want to watch x-men.

fifiricci
May 18th, 2006, 07:28 PM
The book is clearly a work of half-truth, legend, and stuff they just made up becuase it sounded quite exciting.



Of course it is, so why are some catholic priests so worried that their faithful flocks either don't have enough faith or enough intelligence to realise that for themselves? :rolleyes:

*JR*
May 19th, 2006, 01:01 AM
I had this conversation with my (Catholic) wife last night...sans all the zeros. :lol: ;)
I can't wait around for the answer tonite, but I'm interested to know what she (as well as followers of monotheistic religions who post here) have to say about the other possiblities I raised re. all of this. Incidentally, I'll add one more:

Our technology might make us appear 2B Gods to ancient civilizations. So beings even more advanced (like we'll be in a mere few thousand years, if we don't destroy the world first) would presumably have been able to part the Red Sea, turn water into wine, instantly replicate food, walk on water, etc. etc.

So yet another possibility is that the supernatural events described in the Bible etc. were merely part of a scientific experiment we may all be subjects of, for some celestial student's doctoral thesis. ;)

tterb
May 25th, 2006, 05:40 AM
Sorry for the bump, but I just found out my sister's best friend's mom picketed outside a movie theater today, and I had to share it. :lol: I live in Indianapolis, which may be in Indiana but isn't exactly a big Bible-thumping city, so I never expected to know anyone who'd actually protest "The Da Vinci Code."

Of course, when I started laughing uproariously, my mom told me she'd pray for me... But at least she agrees with me that one could spend his/her time and energy in better ways than protesting a fictional movie. :p

Lord Nelson
May 25th, 2006, 12:57 PM
and let's add "turning a blind eye to the Holocaust"
Christians turning a blind eye to the holocaust now that's a good laugh :lol:
They are probably the only ones save the Jews who talk about it. Certainly not the Muslims and even the Buddhist, Hindus etc.. who have their own problems and since they had nothing to do with it or are enemies of the Jews feel unconcerned by this.