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Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Lütfiye and Hülya VELIEVA sisters changed their surname as ESEN and are playing in Adana Tennis Club. Also they are now Turkish citizens.

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol:


:lol: u are so funny

They are originally Turk. Just lived in Bulgaria.

Maryamator
May 12th, 2006, 03:13 PM
who cares we have pironkova:worship:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 03:19 PM
who cares we have pironkova:worship:

u are not Bulgar

Maryamator
May 12th, 2006, 03:35 PM
u are not Bulgar
thats y i dno wat ur talkin about:p

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 03:59 PM
thats y i dno wat ur talkin about:p

pfffffffff

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol:
:lol:
Maybe coz they loose from everybody in Bulgaria and now in Turkey they will feel like a stars :lol:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 04:34 PM
:lol:
Maybe coz they loose from everybody in Bulgaria and now in Turkey they will feel like a stars :lol:


They are not stars. You are again so funny. Just last week u supported them, dont forget ;)

Pszczelny
May 12th, 2006, 04:37 PM
:lol:
Maybe coz they loose from everybody in Bulgaria and now in Turkey they will feel like a stars :lol:

:spit: :rolls:

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Lütfiye and Hülya VELIEVA sisters changed their surname as ESEN and are playing in Adana Tennis Club. Also they are now Turkish citizens.

Great, we need more players from the nation of Turkey. I remember the Turkish ice skater in the Olympics, absolutely beautiful, very talented girl... :D

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 05:33 PM
Just last week u supported them, dont forget ;)

Whoaaaa, touche.... :lol:

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 05:41 PM
They are not stars. You are again so funny. Just last week u supported them, dont forget ;)
Yeah I supported them and the only reason was coz they play for Bulgaria.And now there is nothing left and there is no reason to support a player who find it hard to hit the ball.But I think that it is enough attention for girls who will never achieve something in tennis

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 05:51 PM
Yeah I supported them and the only reason was coz they play for Bulgaria.And now there is nothing left and there is no reason to support a player who find it hard to hit the ball.But I think that it is enough attention for girls who will never achieve something in tennis

They didnt do anything. Since they didnt have money to play in foreign. Did Bulgaria do something for her ? Nothing. They are also forced to change their surname. Is it fair. And Also u should know this. Tennis is<not just in Bulgaria. People can support foreigners too. For example, I support Tsvetana.

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 06:09 PM
They didnt do anything. Since they didnt have money to play in foreign. Did Bulgaria do something for her ? Nothing. They are also forced to change their surname. Is it fair. And Also u should know this. Tennis is<not just in Bulgaria. People can support foreigners too. For example, I support Tsvetana.
Well I support half of Top100 :lol: But there is a reason for every player and in that case there is no such thing.And stop with the BS about the names!They can chage their names to George W. Bush if they want,noone will stop them :lol:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Well I support half of Top100 :lol: But there is a reason for every player and in that case there is no such thing.And stop with the BS about the names!They can chage their names to George W. Bush if they want,noone will stop them :lol:


everyone knows that Bulgaria do this. You cannot change this.

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 07:08 PM
everyone knows that Bulgaria do this. You cannot change this.
:haha:
Before 4-5 months one guy change his name to Manchester U. :lol: So believe me you can chage your name to whatever you want!
Thats it,I refuse to speak meaningless conversations anymore :tape: :lol:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 07:24 PM
:haha:
Before 4-5 months one guy change his name to Manchester U. :lol: So believe me you can chage your name to whatever you want!
Thats it,I refuse to speak meaningless conversations anymore :tape: :lol:

I dont need to change it. We are not related to u.

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 07:35 PM
Why did you give me a bad rep? I was only joking........

Now you will get one, too. ;)

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Why did you give me a bad rep? I was only joking........

Now you will get one, too. ;)

no problem, u can bad rep me. But your joke is so rude. We are not doing those rude jokes.

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 08:15 PM
You don't even want to know how rude "you" can be. Ask my family...

I don't speak about you, but I have made the experience that certain prejudices aren't existing without a reason...

pla
May 12th, 2006, 08:17 PM
everyone knows that Bulgaria do this. You cannot change this.

Wake up, it's 2006 ;)

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Wake up, it's 2006 ;)

:D

pla
May 12th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Plamena, u know , those people make me mad.

But what do you expect with comments like that? I mean, c'mon.. we are neither in communist times, neither the Turkish minority has a problem in Bulgaria and you're being agressive as soon a joke came up and as soon Maryam said no one cares. Well, it's true- no one actually cares- the only support they got from us was because they were playing for Bulgaria and we're loyal. And about the joke- you could tell crazillo to don't insult you, and I am sure he would have made something.

Now cheer for them in peace in the Turkish forum and come back more friendly :wavey:

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 08:42 PM
But what do you expect with comments like that? I mean, c'mon.. we are neither in communist times, neither the Turkish minority has a problem in Bulgaria and you're being agressive as soon a joke came up and as soon Maryam said no one cares. Well, it's true- no one actually cares- the only support they got from us was because they were playing for Bulgaria and we're loyal. And about the joke- you could tell crazillo to don't insult you, and I am sure he would have made something.

Now cheer for them in peace in the Turkish forum and come back more friendly :wavey:

I have no bad thoughts about Bulgarian people. I like all. Just people should be more creative not to be descructive.

tobi
May 12th, 2006, 08:51 PM
But what do you expect with comments like that? I mean, c'mon.. we are neither in communist times, neither the Turkish minority has a problem in Bulgaria and you're being agressive as soon a joke came up and as soon Maryam said no one cares. Well, it's true- no one actually cares- the only support they got from us was because they were playing for Bulgaria and we're loyal. And about the joke- you could tell crazillo to don't insult you, and I am sure he would have made something.

Now cheer for them in peace in the Turkish forum and come back more friendly :wavey:
Thats exactly what it has to be the answer :)

Again at different place by same kind of conversation with different members :confused:

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 08:56 PM
But what do you expect with comments like that? I mean, c'mon.. we are neither in communist times, neither the Turkish minority has a problem in Bulgaria and you're being agressive as soon a joke came up and as soon Maryam said no one cares. Well, it's true- no one actually cares- the only support they got from us was because they were playing for Bulgaria and we're loyal. And about the joke- you could tell crazillo to don't insult you, and I am sure he would have made something.

Now cheer for them in peace in the Turkish forum and come back more friendly :wavey:

Exactly! Thank you. :wavey:

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 08:57 PM
but I have made the experience that certain prejudices aren't existing without a reason...

You are right, the reason relates to a corrupt heart and we all have been guilty. There are assholes and good people in all religions, shades of skin color, cultures, and nationalities... It takes effort, but it is really worth the time to judge each person based on who they are as an individual. And when you do this, you get a chance to enjoy what they have to share and some of the particulars of their people, eg. music, food, customs, etc. I have traveled a lot and these are the greatest experiences of my life.

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 09:02 PM
Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol:

The thread starter was just offering information and in a congenial way. It was this rude ethnically charged insult that started the problems. And to try and excuse it as "a joke" is absurd. No one here is that stupid...

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 09:03 PM
You are right, the reason relates to a corrupt heart and we all have been guilty. There are assholes and good people in all religions, shades of skin color, cultures, and nationalities... It takes effort, but it is really worth the time to judge each person based on who they are as an individual. And when you do this, you get a chance to enjoy what they have to share and some of the particulars of their people, eg. music, food, customs, etc. I have traveled a lot and these are the greatest experiences of my life.

It's the same for me.

Being partly Bulgarian (and German for sure!) I know what it means to live in different cultures. I know the Canadian way of life, the German one, the Bulgarian one.
Similarities are there, yet everyone has a different style.
There are certain things that seem to be "typical" for one culture though.
I have made the experience that immigrants either adapt to the culture of the country or don't do that.
IMO, a certain adaption IS necessary, i.e. knowing the language, behaving after conventions etc.
Everybody needs to be treated individually and I would offer this chance to everybody, yet I saw that immigrants sometimes are not the "best", but the "worst" people for another country.
They don't work, get welfare and don't really accept German conventions. Therefore I am strongly for those tests they wan to introduce here which contain questions on the language as well as on historical things. People have to show they really WANT to live here and know something about this place.
And very often immigrants - currently - don't behave like that and I must say - sorry - Turkish are very often part of that...
Sure there are other examples, I also have friends who are partly foreign, BUT I still think that my argument is valid...

And still, it was not meant to be racistic or whatever...

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 09:14 PM
It's the same for me.

Being partly Bulgarian (and German for sure!) I know what it means to live in different cultures. I know the Canadian way of life, the German one, the Bulgarian one.
Similarities are there, yet everyone has a different style.
There are certain things that seem to be "typical" for one culture though.
I have made the experience that immigrants either adapt to the culture of the country or don't do that.
IMO, a certain adaption IS necessary, i.e. knowing the language, behaving after conventions etc.
Everybody needs to be treated individually and I would offer this chance to everybody, yet I saw that immigrants sometimes are not the "best", but the "worst" people for another country.
They don't work, get welfare and don't really accept German conventions. Therefore I am strongly for those tests they wan to introduce here which contain questions on the language as well as on historical things. People have to show they really WANT to live here and know something about this place.
And very often immigrants - currently - don't behave like that and I must say - sorry - Turkish are very often part of that...
Sure there are other examples, I also have friends who are partly foreign, BUT I still think that my argument is valid...

And still, it was not meant to be racistic or whatever...

yes you are partly right but you shouldnt put everyone into the same place. In every nation there are people as you said, but not all of them. If people try to continue having prejudices, the peace cannot be held. So we shpuld see both Good and Bad, not just bad side.

crazillo
May 12th, 2006, 09:17 PM
yes you are partly right but you shouldnt put everyone into the same place. In every nation there are people as you said, but not all of them. If people try to continue having prejudices, the peace cannot be held. So we shpuld see both Good and Bad, not just bad side.

I told you I take everyone indivudally, but the experiences I had show that most are negative... Not all, as I said before...

Maybe it's the wrong "area" to talk about that though...

Tenisci
May 12th, 2006, 09:18 PM
I told you I take everyone indivudally, but the experiences I had show that most are negative... Not all, as I said before...

Maybe it's the wrong "area" to talk about that though...

OK then.

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 09:21 PM
It's the same for me.

Being partly Bulgarian (and German for sure!) I know what it means to live in different cultures. I know the Canadian way of life, the German one, the Bulgarian one.
Similarities are there, yet everyone has a different style.
There are certain things that seem to be "typical" for one culture though.
I have made the experience that immigrants either adapt to the culture of the country or don't do that.
IMO, a certain adaption IS necessary, i.e. knowing the language, behaving after conventions etc.
Everybody needs to be treated individually and I would offer this chance to everybody, yet I saw that immigrants sometimes are not the "best", but the "worst" people for another country.
They don't work, get welfare and don't really accept German conventions. Therefore I am strongly for those tests they wan to introduce here which contain questions on the language as well as on historical things. People have to show they really WANT to live here and know something about this place.
And very often immigrants - currently - don't behave like that and I must say - sorry - Turkish are very often part of that...
Sure there are other examples, I also have friends who are partly foreign, BUT I still think that my argument is valid...

And still, it was not meant to be racistic or whatever...

"Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol: "

Your political views are interesting and the issues of welfare and assimilation are worth discussing.... But your prejudice is betrayed in your statement above and in another ridiculous denial highlighted above.... And you expect people here to be stupid enough to believe it is a harmless joke? Please..... You are "partly German"? I thought this country was moving more toward ethnic tolerance since that thorough beating received in World War II. Sure hope your attitude is no good repesentation of the population... And you started the trouble on this thread with your remark and you know it.. :rolleyes:

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 09:50 PM
What a stupid discussion :eek:

TFan1156
May 12th, 2006, 09:56 PM
What a stupid discussion :eek:

Stupid? Take some quality university level history classes and find out how much blood has been spilt throughtout the centuries as a result of attitudes reflected in Crazillo`s remark that ignited this thread. Then perhaps you will make an effort and take this a bit more seriously for the sake of our children. The world as a whole is actually doing better, more peace now then ever before.... :D

Louis Cyphre
May 12th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Stupid? Take some quality university level history classes and find out how much blood has been spilt throughtout the centuries as a result of attitudes reflected in Crazillo`s remark that ignited this thread. Then perhaps you will make an effort and take this a bit more seriously for the sake of our children. The world as a whole is actually doing better, more peace now then ever before.... :D
OMG :haha:
Yeah Crazillo deserve to be hanged, drawn and quartered :lol:

Well Mother Tereza I seriously doubt that you have ever visited "some quality university level history classes " or even a university but there is something else that bother me - why I`m not in my comfort bed,dreaming sweet things,resting for tomorrow`s hard day?Why I argue with people that I really dont care about them?So I`m getting back to the real life and will leave you to explain how stupid are people and how clever you are
Good luck in saving of the world or...better find a girlfriend,she will help you for sure

TFan1156
May 13th, 2006, 09:03 AM
OMG :haha:
Yeah Crazillo deserve to be hanged, drawn and quartered :lol:

Well Mother Tereza I seriously doubt that you have ever visited "some quality university level history classes " or even a university but there is something else that bother me - why I`m not in my comfort bed,dreaming sweet things,resting for tomorrow`s hard day?Why I argue with people that I really dont care about them?So I`m getting back to the real life and will leave you to explain how stupid are people and how clever you are
Good luck in saving of the world or...better find a girlfriend,she will help you for sure

It is disappointing that you think it takes anything clever to figure this one out.... ;) A poster had been her a while then starts a thread politely offering news about recent Bulgarian players that moved to Turkey. He is attacked for no reason other than his ethnicity. But it gets hilarious when you tell us that these same players that you were a big fan of suddenly cannot even hit the tennis ball.... :lol: You are right, we cannot save the world as there are a whole lot of people like yourself around. Objective is just to contain the more irrational bigots, and when they have enough of a paycheck to buy cheap beer and cable television it usually works well. We rarely hear from them.... ;)

crazillo
May 13th, 2006, 09:05 AM
Actually I will study History. ;)

And the thing with WWII: I knew it would come up by someone. Which country is more open towards foreigners than Germany nowadays??? I don't know any.

TFan1156
May 13th, 2006, 09:15 AM
Actually I will study History. ;)

And the thing with WWII: I knew it would come up by someone. Which country is more open towards foreigners than Germany nowadays??? I don't know any.

That was what I thought also, at least as far as the developed nations are concerned. The reason for bringing up WWII was as it relates to the issue of present-day tolerance. Often lessons are learned the hard way...

crazillo
May 13th, 2006, 09:25 AM
That was what I thought also, at least as far as the developed nations are concerned. The reason for bringing up WWII was as it relates to the issue of present-day tolerance. Often lessons are learned the hard way...

Yes, I think the same.
I think everyone - really everyone - who is very honest finds it strange if you are sitting with let's say 13 blacks in a bus and you are the only white one in between. Then you ask yourself "is that here German?", espacially when you hear them only talking in French and exactly that is what bothers me personally... That people don't adapt to certain national qualities and cultural things like the language.
Sure they can have their religion, they can find themselves together also, BUT they NEED to be able to speak the language and try to find a job. It's shocking - IMO - that they receive welfare as well - I mean the one's that don't even intend to find jobs...

And still, I'd also say the same "sentence" about Americans, adding something like "no wonder when Bush is the president" or so... It was not meant to be rude.

TFan1156
May 14th, 2006, 08:06 AM
Yes, I think the same.
I think everyone - really everyone - who is very honest finds it strange if you are sitting with let's say 13 blacks in a bus and you are the only white one in between. Then you ask yourself "is that here German?", espacially when you hear them only talking in French and exactly that is what bothers me personally... That people don't adapt to certain national qualities and cultural things like the language.
Sure they can have their religion, they can find themselves together also, BUT they NEED to be able to speak the language and try to find a job. It's shocking - IMO - that they receive welfare as well - I mean the one's that don't even intend to find jobs...

And still, I'd also say the same "sentence" about Americans, adding something like "no wonder when Bush is the president" or so... It was not meant to be rude.

OK... :lol: I see clearly what you want to do, to discuss politics and the problems associated with immigration in Germany, then leap to once again trying to convince us that there was nothing rude about this remark, the first reply on this thread.

"Who does become a Turkish guy voluntary? :lol: "

This is clearly a sweeping, ethnically specific insult that in this case covers over around 80 million people. It does not matter what your immigration issues are in Germany, nor how many bad eperiences you have had in your relatively few personal experiences, such a statement remains "rude" and stupid, though you keep making it worse by still trying to convince us otherwise. I`d bet you have just started at the university and have learned only enough so far to make yourself look only stupid with this topic. But if you still think it a harmless joke then go try it out on some Turks, blacks, Americans, whoever, but this time face to face, in person, and see how funny they think it is. Eventually someone will be helping you up off the sidewalk, you`ll be home for a few weeks of healing but actually this may be the best thing that ever happened to you in the long run.... :lol: