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tennisIlove09
May 12th, 2006, 12:47 AM
Sharapova demands equal pay for women

'I believe women are strong, bold and powerful,' world No. 3 says



Russian Maria Sharapova is ranked No. 3 in the world.
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MADRID - World No. 3 Maria Sharapova has demanded women players receive equal prize money as men.

"I believe women are strong, bold and powerful and deserve to be treated the same as men," the 19-year-old Russian told a news conference on Thursday.

"There has been a long debate about equal prize money but these things take time. If we keep pushing we'll eventually get there."

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Of the four grand slam tournaments, Roland Garros and Wimbledon still have a differential in prize money between the men and the women, although the French Open will pay the men's and women's singles champions the same this year.

Sharapova was speaking at a news conference highlighting the WTA Tour's end-of-season championships' move to Madrid.

WTA Tour CEO Larry Scott hoped the championships would help promote prize money parity.

"This will be the elite event in women's tennis with only the top eight players competing at the end of the season for a total prize money of $3 million. The winner will earn $1 million," Scott said.

The WTA says this will equal the largest winner's purse in the history of women's sport.

The event takes place in the Spanish capital's Madrid Arena from Nov. 7 to 12, in the month following the men's Madrid Masters tournament.

"Madrid is known as a football city, but we hope in the future it will also become known as the capital of tennis," Madrid mayor Alberto Ruiz Gallardon said.

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switz
May 12th, 2006, 12:53 AM
blah blah blah. Maria is also a feminist now.

vogus
May 12th, 2006, 12:58 AM
great stuff Masha. We didn't have any idea that women are bold and powerful. Here we were, thinking women were timid and wimpy. Shame on us. Thanks so much for clearing that up.

Dan23
May 12th, 2006, 01:03 AM
you'd be taking the piss even if she said she didnt want equal pay :rolleyes:
what do you want her to say?

Wannabeknowitall
May 12th, 2006, 01:10 AM
you'd be taking the piss even if she said she didnt want equal pay :rolleyes:
who do you want her to say?

I want her to stop denying that she gets more money off-tour than the ATP men's top 10 COMBINED.
I think you have more than equal in that regard.
If there's a double standard that Maria is talking about, then maybe she should look at herself.
She's actually being rewarded for it.

Dan23
May 12th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I want her to stop denying that she gets more money off-tour than the ATP men's top 10 COMBINED.
I think you have more than equal in that regard.
If there's a double standard that Maria is talking about, then maybe she should look at herself.
She's actually being rewarded for it.
Theres more than 1 player in the WTA :p the equal pay would apply to all players, not just her.
The same can be said for any player argueing for it...they all get more than enough money, whats a few more thousand? Its the principle they are argueing about.

go hingis
May 12th, 2006, 01:35 AM
I don't think demand is the right word to use when your not threatning to do anything.
Maybe they should have written Sharapova WANTS equal pay!

Wannabeknowitall
May 12th, 2006, 01:46 AM
Theres more than 1 player in the WTA :p the equal pay would apply to all players, not just her.
The same can be said for any player argueing for it...they all get more than enough money, whats a few more thousand? Its the principle they are argueing about.

There's the other standard on tour that probably needs to be rectified first, you know players getting paid under the table for tournis.
It looks like Nadia could be the highest ranked Russian in a few months, yet she doesn't get paid anywhere close to the appearance fees that Sharapova gets.
That doesn't seem to be fair yet it will probably happen.
So why should genders be treated fairly if it doesn't seem that the top women themselves are treated fairly?

WIMBLY2004
May 12th, 2006, 01:56 AM
There's the other standard on tour that probably needs to be rectified first, you know players getting paid under the table for tournis.
It looks like Nadia could be the highest ranked Russian in a few months, yet she doesn't get paid anywhere close to the appearance fees that Sharapova gets.
That doesn't seem to be fair yet it will probably happen.
So why should genders be treated fairly if it doesn't seem that the top women themselves are treated fairly?

Do you know anything about economics? Maria getting paid more shows exactly the fairness of the market. The reason people think it's unfair to pay women less is because women bring the same of better market result to Wimbledon while they are paid less, that's unfair!

bis2806
May 12th, 2006, 01:56 AM
There's the other standard on tour that probably needs to be rectified first, you know players getting paid under the table for tournis.
It looks like Nadia could be the highest ranked Russian in a few months, yet she doesn't get paid anywhere close to the appearance fees that Sharapova gets.
That doesn't seem to be fair yet it will probably happen.
So why should genders be treated fairly if it doesn't seem that the top women themselves are treated fairly?

Agreed. That being said, appearance fees should be also made equal, if Sharapova thinks that there's should be equal pay for women.

Wannabeknowitall
May 12th, 2006, 02:08 AM
Do you know anything about economics? Maria getting paid more shows exactly the fairness of the market. The reason people think it's unfair to pay women less is because women bring the same of better market result to Wimbledon while they are paid less, that's unfair!

What fairness???
If genders are suppose to be equal than why shouldn't all women be equal to each other as well?
The fairness of the market is the unfairness of it.
Just because Sharapova looks hot in the eyes of western society and leaves her emotions on the court should not make her a better marketable item but it does.
We already know that big tier tournis on the men's and women's side do not get paid equal.
The WTA isn't requesting equal pay for those because they know they cannot get the sponserships on their name alone that the men's tournis can get.
That really is the only reason they're pursueing this issue.
They know that they can't get the sponserhsips on their name alone so they're going after the slams to sneak around that.

Jum_p_Over
May 12th, 2006, 02:13 AM
What fairness???
If genders are suppose to be equal than why shouldn't all women be equal to each other as well?
The fairness of the market is the unfairness of it.
Just because Sharapova looks hot in the eyes of western society and leaves her emotions on the court should not make her a better marketable item but it does.
We already that big tier tournis on the men's and women's side do not get paid equal.
The WTA isn't requesting equal pay for those because they know they cannot get the sponserships on their name alone that the men's tournis can get.
That really is the only reason they're pursueing this issue.
They know that they can't get the sponserhsips on their name alone so they're going after the slams to sneak around that.

This is just the way society is, particularly in places like the US. We like entertainment and pretty girls, those who entertain well and look good can become extremely wealthy.
But this whole equal pay thing is more of a women's rights type of thing IMO, although some players (particularly the lower-ranked ones that usually lose in the first or second round) could really use the extra money

WIMBLY2004
May 12th, 2006, 02:32 AM
If Wimbledon can prove that women are paid less because they do not help the business make money as much as men do, fine, that’s fair. The problem is that they can’t prove that and the facts showed otherwise but they continue to pay women less, that’s why people get pissed. And Maria is exactly the perfect example to show that when the market outside has recognised the money making ability of women players, and treat them fairly, why do management team in Wimbledon refuse to recognise that?

Summer Snow
May 12th, 2006, 02:42 AM
I want her to stop denying that she gets more money off-tour than the ATP men's top 10 COMBINED.
I think you have more than equal in that regard.
If there's a double standard that Maria is talking about, then maybe she should look at herself.
She's actually being rewarded for it.
No she doesn't :o

selesbooz
May 12th, 2006, 02:53 AM
Agreed. That being said, appearance fees should be also made equal, if Sharapova thinks that there's should be equal pay for women.

Yeah Maria is the only player that has ever received appearence fees. :rolleyes: Davenport doesn't play tier III's for nothing. If Someone wants to pay her to play then so be it. I can't even count how many time a Male player only plays a tournment for the apperence fees and lost first round. Andre :tape: Aleast she tries to win the tournment. And since youare trying to trash her please tell me that you go to Golf boards and trash Tiger Wood for his apperence fees. 4 Million to show up to win 9 Hundred Thousand :rolleyes:

drake3781
May 12th, 2006, 02:56 AM
I don't think demand is the right word to use when your not threatning to do anything.
Maybe they should have written Sharapova WANTS equal pay!

Agree. I would like to see a top name DEMAND it. Anyone??!??

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 03:03 AM
I want her to stop denying that she gets more money off-tour than the ATP men's top 10 COMBINED.
I think you have more than equal in that regard.
If there's a double standard that Maria is talking about, then maybe she should look at herself.
She's actually being rewarded for it.

first, she never denied that she gets more money off court, and that's because of her promotional activities, her sponsors have decided to pay her more than the men, aren't they allowed to do so?

Do you think Canon, Motorola, etc give a shit to whatever it's fair or "equal"? they want a value for their money and Maria gives it to them.

what double standard are you talking about? should Motorola pay Federer the same as they pay Sharapova to not discriminate?

I thought I was used to it, but the stupidity of some people here never ceases to amaze me.

faboozadoo15
May 12th, 2006, 03:04 AM
There's the other standard on tour that probably needs to be rectified first, you know players getting paid under the table for tournis.
It looks like Nadia could be the highest ranked Russian in a few months, yet she doesn't get paid anywhere close to the appearance fees that Sharapova gets.
That doesn't seem to be fair yet it will probably happen.
So why should genders be treated fairly if it doesn't seem that the top women themselves are treated fairly?
dear god there's a whole lot more that separates maria from nadia than a ranking spot (right now). maria has won a major and has way more titles and at a younger age. the only reason nadia is anywhere near maria in the rankings is because she's played 28 tournaments. regardless, their head to head should be more than enough to tell who's superior. you talk about these two players as if they're cut from the same block, play nearly the same tournaments and do as well as the other when that's not true at all.

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 03:05 AM
If Wimbledon can prove that women are paid less because they do not help the business make money as much as men do, fine, that’s fair. The problem is that they can’t prove that and the facts showed otherwise but they continue to pay women less, that’s why people get pissed. And Maria is exactly the perfect example to show that when the market outside has recognised the money making ability of women players, and treat them fairly, why do management team in Wimbledon refuse to recognise that?

first, let me clarify that I do think they should pay the same to men and women.

But what I think it's irrelevant, and what everyone thinks. Wimbledon doesn't have to prove anything, it's their money and they can do with it whatever they want, end of story

faboozadoo15
May 12th, 2006, 03:06 AM
maria can do no right, apparently. just because she gets paid more than all the other women, she shouldn't be in favor of equal pay with men? should she just be selfish and say, "hm well, i make enough, forget those other girls."
???????????????

Andy.
May 12th, 2006, 03:07 AM
I would like to see what the reaction would be if other players spoke up about this issue, why does this need to cause controversy, I thought most people would be for it.

CC
May 12th, 2006, 03:10 AM
I believe the children are our future.

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 03:11 AM
What fairness???
If genders are suppose to be equal than why shouldn't all women be equal to each other as well?
The fairness of the market is the unfairness of it.
Just because Sharapova looks hot in the eyes of western society and leaves her emotions on the court should not make her a better marketable item but it does.
We already know that big tier tournis on the men's and women's side do not get paid equal.
The WTA isn't requesting equal pay for those because they know they cannot get the sponserships on their name alone that the men's tournis can get.
That really is the only reason they're pursueing this issue.
They know that they can't get the sponserhsips on their name alone so they're going after the slams to sneak around that.

oh please, stop the crap.

gender equality my ass, it's a business.

Should her look not make her more marketable?, that must be one of the most idiotic statements I've read here, and that's to say a lot. Marketability has nothing to do with fairness, equality or political correctness, she is more marketable because people like to look at her, tough luck, that's the way it is.

are you telling me that I should not buy an article because I like it or the price or quality or whatever matters to me but I should look at gender equality?

kosmikgroove
May 12th, 2006, 05:16 AM
you know, there are such things as 'intagible qualities' that differentiate the amount of sponserships and appearance fees. they're the same "intagible qualities" you think about everyday when you're busting a nut to that hottie on the internet.

Prizeidiot
May 12th, 2006, 07:19 AM
I don't see the big deal.. it's a couple of thousand.

It's definitely offset by the difference in pay for sponsorships. I mean, if Maria were male, there's no way she'd be doing shoots for Sport Illustrated or getting all those other opportunities.

But I guess if they're arguing about the principle of it, fair enough. But then maybe big companies should pay men the same amount to promote their products as they do women?

fifiricci
May 12th, 2006, 07:22 AM
If she (and Billie Jean for that matter) feel so bloody strongly about Wimbledon's stance on equal pay, maybe they should take a stand by returning their membership of that very elite club. :devil:

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 07:43 AM
There's the other standard on tour that probably needs to be rectified first, you know players getting paid under the table for tournis.It looks like Nadia could be the highest ranked Russian in a few months, yet she doesn't get paid anywhere close to the appearance fees that , Sharapova gets.That doesn't seem to be fair yet it will probably happen.
So why should genders be treated fairly if it doesn't seem that the top women themselves are treated fairly?

Under your communistic economic approach, there would be no incentive for competition in the WTA.

Nadia has yet to get close to winning a grand slam title. In fact, all of last year, she never made it to a semifinal, whereas, Maria made it to 3 of 4.

Nadia isn't exactly a "looker" either. Her broad facial and physical features won't sell products like Sharapova's does. And the last time I checked, Nadia isn't exactly a great "personality" either.

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 07:53 AM
What fairness???
If genders are suppose to be equal than why shouldn't all women be equal to each other as well?
The fairness of the market is the unfairness of it.
Just because Sharapova looks hot in the eyes of western society and leaves her emotions on the court should not make her a better marketable item but it does.
We already know that big tier tournis on the men's and women's side do not get paid equal.
The WTA isn't requesting equal pay for those because they know they cannot get the sponserships on their name alone that the men's tournis can get.
That really is the only reason they're pursueing this issue.
They know that they can't get the sponserhsips on their name alone so they're going after the slams to sneak around that.

Well, lookie, lookie. WTAWorld's Debbie Downer is back.

Not all women should be compensated equally in the WTA, because if they were, it would stifle competition and support what you are really going for, which is communistic economic reform....equal monetary distribution.

Sharapova is dead-on correct that both men and women should have equal prize money during tourney's based upon their results. Appearance fees and endorsements should never be distributed equally. It was never meant to be.

Why should the Chinese girls share equally in endorsements when they aren't even allowed to play Wimbledon??? Why should Ashley Harkleroad share equally in endorsements when she never makes it to a grand slam semifinal???

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 08:00 AM
I want her to stop denying that she gets more money off-tour than the ATP men's top 10 COMBINED.
I think you have more than equal in that regard.
If there's a double standard that Maria is talking about, then maybe she should look at herself.
She's actually being rewarded for it.

How retarded. Everyone knows that Andre Agassi made millions more than the top WTA players combined in endorsements for YEARS, even when he wasn't at the top of the ATP

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0705/093_print.html

SJW
May 12th, 2006, 08:26 AM
Under your communistic economic approach, there would be no incentive for competition in the WTA.

Nadia has yet to get close to winning a grand slam title. In fact, all of last year, she never made it to a semifinal, whereas, Maria made it to 3 of 4.

Nadia isn't exactly a "looker" either. Her broad facial and physical features won't sell products like Sharapova's does. And the last time I checked, Nadia isn't exactly a great "personality" either.

LOL.
wrong.

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM
LOL.
wrong.

Whoops, my bad. That memorable French Semifinal stuck out. Of course, based on that ONE result, Nadia obviously deserved equal endorsements which should have rivaled Maria.

Everyone knows that.

Maryamator
May 12th, 2006, 08:40 AM
i thought it was sharapova demands equal gay:tape: anyway
yeah i dont get it why mens get more than the women that is kind of unfair..

SJW
May 12th, 2006, 08:43 AM
Whoops, my bad. That memorable French Semifinal stuck out. Of course, based on that ONE result, Nadia obviously deserved equal endorsements which should have rivaled Maria.

Everyone knows that.

Indeed.

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 08:46 AM
oh please, stop the crap.

gender equality my ass, it's a business.

Should her look not make her more marketable?, that must be one of the most idiotic statements I've read here, and that's to say a lot. Marketability has nothing to do with fairness, equality or political correctness, she is more marketable because people like to look at her, tough luck, that's the way it is.

are you telling me that I should not buy an article because I like it or the price or quality or whatever matters to me but I should look at gender equality?

:wavey: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

furrykitten
May 12th, 2006, 08:53 AM
Some people will try and find anything to have a go at Maria! :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
May 12th, 2006, 08:56 AM
Some people will try and find anything to have a go at Maria! :rolleyes:

I know! Its like catnip for some.

Most of those that spew their hatred for Maria are obviously unattractive and jealous.

Maria Croft
May 12th, 2006, 09:02 AM
Maria's business outside the tennis court has nothing to do with this, also not that it's only a couple of thousand dollars, it's discriminating
But because it’s Maria that said something about it people forget all about that but just start to bash Maria, what a surprise :rolleyes:

mike/topgun
May 12th, 2006, 09:05 AM
it's pure economy that drives Wimbledon management team I guess...prestigeus mens event - with Fedex, agassi, Roddick etc and girls - mainly Masha, who s arguebly the most marketable tennis player atm - to draw some more crowd of casual fans...girls get less prize money, men get like 4% more (20k pounds more) it's not a big difference for either Masha, Lindsay or whoever but it makes a little difference for weaker players...and it's a matter of prestige imo.

azmad_88
May 12th, 2006, 09:48 AM
is that one of their tradition that must be followed in Wimbledon?

Oriental_Rain
May 12th, 2006, 09:56 AM
how abt just focus on tennis and leave this matter to the expert

tennisrox
May 12th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Funny to hear her complain about money. She gets more endorsement money than Roger Federer. Lord knows she doesn't deserve to get more than him. :rolleyes:
People find her more attractive than him, so she's more marketable. Federer's tennis is a gazillion times better than hers, so he gets more prize money. Sounds fair.

Wannabeknowitall
May 12th, 2006, 11:08 AM
How retarded. Everyone knows that Andre Agassi made millions more than the top WTA players combined in endorsements for YEARS, even when he wasn't at the top of the ATP

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/0705/093_print.html

Agassi has won every big tourni that you can think of at least once.
He's a totally different player than the one that was on tour in the early 90s.
He's been on the tour for over 20 years and deserves every endorsement that he gets.
At this point though the statement stands correct.
Sharapova has earned more money in endorsements than the top 10 combined.
I would put a link to the ATP rankings as of now but I see no reason to.
If you don't know the rankings it's likely you aren't a fan and have a bias as well.

go hingis
May 12th, 2006, 11:29 AM
Funny to hear her complain about money. She gets more endorsement money than Roger Federer. Lord knows she doesn't deserve to get more than him. :rolleyes:
People find her more attractive than him, so she's more marketable. Federer's tennis is a gazillion times better than hers, so he gets more prize money. Sounds fair.

IMO - I don't think Roger's the type to be into as much of that stuff as Maria would be. I think alot of this has to do with the individual's personality. Don't get me wrong they all want endorsements. I just think Roger would knock alot of things back to concentrate on tennis and when his not training to spend time with his girlfriend and family and relax. This stuff is probably relaxing to Maria and more stressful to Roger.

Roger's seems to be more like Martina Hingis, in her prime she knocked back alot and most of the hollywood glitz and concentrated on her tennis and next match. The more work you take, the more your in the public eye, the bigger you get. Maria has done plenty to keep her name out there.

The_Pov
May 13th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Agreed. That being said, appearance fees should be also made equal, if Sharapova thinks that there's should be equal pay for women.

Why? people aren't going to pay Lindsay the same ammount as they pay Maria, Maria attracts more consumers which is what they want. Lindsay wouldn't!

What you are saying is the dumbest thing I've heard this year!

The_Pov
May 13th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Some people will try and find anything to have a go at Maria! :rolleyes:

Exactly she'd be critisised for taking a ill puppy to the vet!

LindsayRulz
May 13th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Why? people aren't going to pay Lindsay the same ammount as they pay Maria, Maria attracts more consumers which is what they want. Lindsay wouldn't!

What you are saying is the dumbest thing I've heard this year!

People just want to see her ass, not her game. Who would want to ear a girl scream as hard as she can during one hour or two???

the cat
May 13th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Ravishing in red! :hearts: That first picture of Masha in this thread is such a wonderfully radiant picture of her! :D

Interesting post tennisrox. I agree. Masha can call for the grand slams to play women equally with the men. But I have no problem with Wimbledon holding out on doing this. And the women get paid plenty for play grand slam tennis and their often played 1 hour or less matches.

Carmen Mairena
May 13th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Maria demanding equlity? :haha: :rolls: :haha:

Not the best example to follow I guess :tape:

bellascarlett
May 13th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Funny to hear her complain about money. She gets more endorsement money than Roger Federer. Lord knows she doesn't deserve to get more than him. :rolleyes:
People find her more attractive than him, so she's more marketable. Federer's tennis is a gazillion times better than hers, so he gets more prize money. Sounds fair.

Well, if she brings in more money, more attention, more interest, more consumers to a company, then it doesnt really put into question why she gets more endorsement and thus endorsement money than Federer or any active male or female player now for that matter. So what if it is mostly for her looks! She's only 1 among the millions of people around the world whose cash earnings are inflated due to their looks. Just how the entertainment/advertising industry works. You deliver the interest and money for a company, you get a portion of the millions/billions they earn.

This issue isn't pitting Maria againt Federer or any male player. She even isn't complaining about the money per se. It's the idea of equality and a goddamn laughable 30,000 pound difference (helloooo 655,000 pounds vs. 625,000 pounds) that shows more stubbornness than anything that's being fought for here.

*JR*
May 13th, 2006, 07:59 PM
"There has been a long debate about equal prize money but these things take time. If we keep pushing we'll eventually get there." (by Masha)

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WTA Tour CEO Larry Scott hoped the championships would help promote prize money parity.

Everyone thus far has missed 2 things. When Venus spoke about this a few weeks ago, she used wording hinting @ a possible women's boycott of Wimbledon. Just as Nat did (more directly) @ the Rogers Cup in '04 about the Olympics, due to the GER Olympic Committee not sending Barna and Weingartner to Athens.

Lapdog Larry undercut the players then (though the proper result was reached, to supposedly begin in '08). So re. Wimby, the All England Club knew they could count on him to "play both sides of the net".

Specifically, he gave a good argument for the female players' point of view (TV ratings, that they're in the entertainment business, where a movie star isn't paid based on how many minutes the film is, etc). But then he resorted to his usual removal of any hint of labor action.

So my Friend Fingon can add one more count to "the case against Larry". That the way he "represents" the players would be like Gene Upshaw of the NFL Players Assn (or his NBA counterpart Billy Hunter) taking all possibility of a job action off the table B4 the negotiations even begin.

The (male and female) players need real unions, not the (merely advisory) WTA and ATP Players' Associations. (Keep in mind that the WTA gets a fee of well ova half a million $ from each Slam every year, so Larry definitely wants to avoid a strike ova anything).

switz
May 15th, 2006, 12:33 AM
I know! Its like catnip for some.

Most of those that spew their hatred for Maria are obviously unattractive and jealous.

you are the most hateful poster on this board. you are constantly spitting venom at any player you have an issue with and then you come into threads like this with the "how can anyone be so mean to Justine or Maria - they must be ugly to not agree with me" :lol: