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RVD
May 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM
... LAME DUCK PRESIDENT... and the reasons why. :tape: :lol: :bounce:
Pay particularly close attention to the rat-like-devious-squinty-shifty eyes. :scared:

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Concerns over spending, immigration policy running high, experts say
A Gallup poll recorded a 13-point drop in Republican support for Bush in the past couple of weeks. Many of Bush's traditional supporters are frustrated with what they see as a betrayal of conservative principles in Washington, pollsters and GOP lawmakers say. :worship:

Republicans and Conservatives...read at your own risk. :lol:

WASHINGTON - Disaffection over spending and immigration have caused conservatives to take flight from President Bush and the Republican Congress at a rapid pace in recent weeks, sending Bush's approval ratings to record lows and presenting a new threat to the GOP's 12-year reign on Capitol Hill, according to White House officials, lawmakers and new polling data.

Bush and Congress have suffered a decline in support from almost every part of the conservative coalition over the past year, a trend that has accelerated with alarming implications for Bush's governing strategy.

The Gallup polling organization recorded a 13-percentage-point drop in Republican support for Bush in the past couple of weeks. These usually reliable voters are telling pollsters and lawmakers they are fed up with what they see as out-of-control spending by Washington and, more generally, an abandonment of core conservative principles.

There are also significant pockets of conservatives turning on Bush and Congress over the their failure to tighten immigration laws, restrict same-sex marriage, and put an end to the Iraq war and the rash of political scandals, according to lawmakers and pollsters.

Coalescing around the base
Bush won two presidential elections by pursuing a political and governing model that was predicated on winning and sustaining the loyal backing of social, economic and foreign policy conservatives. The strategy was based on the belief that conservatives, who are often more politically active than the general public, could be inspired to vote in larger numbers and would serve as a reliable foundation for his presidency. The theory, as explained by Bush strategists, is that the president would enjoy a floor below which his support would never fall.

It is now apparent that this floor has weakened dramatically -- and collapsed in places.


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"A lot of us have been like Paul Revere and sounding the alarm for three or four years," said Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.). "Conservatives forgave Bush and Congress for our past mistakes because the war on terrorism was so important . . . but now there is a great deal of unhappiness. What you are going to increasingly see is a divided Republican Party."

Michael Franc, a top official at the Heritage Foundation, said his organization hosted 600 of its top conservative donors last week and heard more widespread complaining about Republicans than at any other point in the past 12 years. "It begins with spending, extends through immigration and results in a sense that we have Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee for the two parties," Franc said.

Dissatisfaction in the trenches
Ralph Sivillo, a 64-year-old retiree living in Monroe, N.Y., said he started turning against Bush in January. He said Democrats are beginning to look better to him. "I'm really dead against Bush at this point. What's he doing? He's doing nothing. Everybody's just bailing on him because they feel the same way."

"He's not well liked," said Douglas Giles, 47, a self-described conservative from Buffalo. "A lot of people don't think he's very good."

Michael Dimock of the Pew Research Center, a leading polling group, said one of the most striking findings of recent surveys is the growing number of conservatives who "don't see Bush as one of them" as they did earlier. Pew found that Bush has suffered a 24-point drop in his approval rating among voters who backed him in 2004: from 92 percent in January 2005 to 68 percent in March.

Frank Newport of the Gallup Organization cautioned against reading too much into Bush's recent loss of support among conservatives. He said the numbers tend to ebb and flow and must be confirmed over several months before it is possible to conclude the president has suffered irreversible erosion.

Moreover, the public's view of the economy and Washington may have been soured by gasoline prices having topped $3 a gallon over the past month.

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Helen Lawson
May 11th, 2006, 10:08 PM
As much as I dislike the things he's done, he's a charming, sexy guy and I'd do him in a second. :o

RVD
May 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM
As much as I dislike the things he's done, he's a charming, sexy guy and I'd do him in a second. :oI'd DO him in a second too...!

...IN, that is. :tape: ;)

Helen Lawson
May 11th, 2006, 10:16 PM
I'd DO him in a second too...!

...IN, that is. :tape: ;)

:lol:

I think he's a pretty crappy president, but he seems like a likeable guy on a personal level and cute. I actually listened to the Kitty Kelly book on the Bushes and while my view of George Sr. and Barbara went down a lot after reading the book, my estimation of W actually improved, at least on a personal level.

RVD
May 11th, 2006, 10:25 PM
:lol:

I think he's a pretty crappy president, but he seems like a likeable guy on a personal level and cute. I actually listened to the Kitty Kelly book on the Bushes and while my view of George Sr. and Barbara went down a lot after reading the book, my estimation of W actually improved, at least on a personal level.O.K., O.K., I'll admit that on a personal level he just might be ... umm....err....*coughs up blood* 'personable'. But the guy has done so much damage to this nation that it's hard for me to wrap my mind around having a glass of Sherry with the man. Maybe when he's finally gone, I'll learn to appreciate him more. But only for you Helen. ;)

*JR*
May 11th, 2006, 10:33 PM
O.K., O.K., I'll admit that on a personal level he just might be ... umm....err....*coughs up blood* 'personable'. But the guy has done so much damage to this nation that it's hard for me to wrap my mind around having a glass of Sherry with the man. Maybe when he's finally gone, I'll learn to appreciate him more. But only for you Helen. ;)
3 words 4U (or as dubya's Papa would have said: "Read My Lips").

:fiery: John F(ucking) Kerry :fiery:

Helen Lawson
May 11th, 2006, 10:33 PM
O.K., O.K., I'll admit that on a personal level he just might be ... umm....err....*coughs up blood* 'personable'. But the guy has done so much damage to this nation that it's hard for me to wrap my mind around having a glass of Sherry with the man. Maybe when he's finally gone, I'll learn to appreciate him more. But only for you Helen. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him, but there's something charming on a personal level, just for me. I wouldn't waste time trying to appreciate him! :lol:

I can't describe it from the book, but he was really likable even though Kitty was really trying to trash him. It was like both his parents were assholes who ignored him, he never fit in socially much at Yale and Andover, he was a total drunk, and was lousy with the girls and never really succeeded at anything. He thought most of the Yale people were complete assholes and never gave Yale any money after he left. I don't know, there was something funny about the whole thing that made me like him. Don't get me wrong, he was no outcast at Yale because of his family, but it was sort of a mis-match.

RVD
May 11th, 2006, 10:38 PM
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him, but there's something charming on a personal level, just for me. I wouldn't waste time trying to appreciate him! :lol:

I can't describe it from the book, but he was really likable even though Kitty was really trying to trash him. It was like both his parents were assholes who ignored him, he never fit in socially much at Yale and Andover, he was a total drunk, and was lousy with the girls and never really succeeded at anything. He thought most of the Yale people were complete assholes and never gave Yale any money after he left. I don't know, there was something funny about the whole thing that made me like him. Don't get me wrong, he was no outcast at Yale because of his family, but it was sort of a mis-match.Sorta like, "The good guy who doesn't fit in, becomes Prseident and gets his revenge..." script. :)

I thought he was supposed to be quite the character at Yale. You know, the guy everyone wanted to party with? :shrug:

RVD
May 11th, 2006, 10:39 PM
3 words 4U (or as dubya's Papa would have said: "Read My Lips").

:fiery: John F(ucking) Kerry :fiery:O.K. *JR*...
I'm getting the distinct impression that you don't particularly care for John Kerry. :lol:

Helen Lawson
May 11th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Sorta like, "The good guy who doesn't fit in, becomes Prseident and gets his revenge..." script. :)

I thought he was supposed to be quite the character at Yale. You know, the guy everyone wanted to party with? :shrug:

That's EXACTLY it, what I was trying to convey. He was quite the character at Yale, but the way Kitty writes it, it was like they all thought he was this baffoon/rube but they had to accept him at the higher levels because of his family, like he was in the top fraternity and Skull and Bones, but like they didn't really want him and he didn't really fit in and they looked down on him and he was well-aware of this. Plus, like his parents hardly attended his college graduation and like totally ignored him and he had to spend it with another family. And his parents would park their kids with sitters for months when they were like building a house in another city, it was very strange.

RVD
May 11th, 2006, 11:27 PM
That's EXACTLY it, what I was trying to convey. He was quite the character at Yale, but the way Kitty writes it, it was like they all thought he was this baffoon/rube but they had to accept him at the higher levels because of his family, like he was in the top fraternity and Skull and Bones, but like they didn't really want him and he didn't really fit in and they looked down on him and he was well-aware of this. Plus, like his parents hardly attended his college graduation and like totally ignored him and he had to spend it with another family. And his parents would park their kids with sitters for months when they were like building a house in another city, it was very strange.Yeah, I see your point. I'd be very interested in what he truly believes in. That may come as quite a shock :lol: , but I believe there is always some 'transitional' point in everyone's life where they decide who they are. With George Bush, you never really see the true man behind the mask. He always seems to be trying his best to satisfy the desires of his new friends [the Neo-Cons], but in the process pissing off an entire nation.
...and world, for that matter.
I can't help but believe that he is allowing these guys to use him just for the sake of their 'friendship'. :shrug: