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GoDominique
May 11th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Passive Hingis = Top 20

It's that simple. :)

Alicia Rocks
May 11th, 2006, 10:38 AM
Agreed

kris_85
May 11th, 2006, 11:16 AM
if she mix passive hingis with aggressive hingis(and wi know sh can do it)=NUMBER ONE

Hingie
May 11th, 2006, 11:18 AM
Passive Hingis = Top 20

It's that simple. :)

I think you should send this thread to her. I have seen some fantastic matches from her when she is confident, playing agressively etc. When she crawls into her shell, even when things aren't going her way, it's the most frustrating thing!!!!

Don't hide that beautiful game Marti!!!!

ctan88
May 11th, 2006, 11:20 AM
I agree! If she played like she did all the time, she will be TOP 5 FOR SURE!

matthias
May 11th, 2006, 11:30 AM
yes, the way she played today she i hard to beat
respect - didn´t expect her that good

xtooL
May 11th, 2006, 11:55 AM
I think so too

Billabong
May 11th, 2006, 12:00 PM
It's UNBELIEVABLE how much Martina upped her level of play from Warsaw and even from her last 2 matches in Berlin, she was almost perfect in every department today. Today everything worked, we saw the 1997 Martina who attacked and dictated play :yeah:!!! She needs to continue to play like that against the top players, it's definitely in her top-3 best matches of 2006:worship:! Maybe her best one, certainly her best since she beat Maria in Tokyo:worship:!!!

RR-87
May 11th, 2006, 12:00 PM
Agressive Hingis = number one :D
Passive Hingis = number ten, not more :shrug:

mdsc8
May 11th, 2006, 12:02 PM
yey! i hope she'll play like this forever! GO MARTINA!!! Keep it up!

TiK-Tee
May 11th, 2006, 12:03 PM
yesss :D

A'DAM
May 11th, 2006, 12:05 PM
So Mauresmo is next :)

Andy.
May 11th, 2006, 12:08 PM
She needs to play with that style and use all her shots and all court play not moon ball and counter punch. Look what happens when she goes for it and does what she should.

Martian Stacey
May 11th, 2006, 12:16 PM
Totally agree :) She just needs to keep attacking and she'll be back in the top 10 in no time ;)

Mark for Martina
May 11th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Agreed. She is a confidence player and when everthing is working for her, she goes for her shots more. A great front runner.

She has to keep her head in the match all the time and go for a winning mindset. She has all the guile and the tactics - tools that will sharpen with confidence & time.

Barlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:24 PM
We've been saying for a while that Martina has been too passive recently. Maybe it's just a lack of confidence but I'm not sure why she seemed so confident today against a player she's won just 10 games against in their previous 3 meetings. A crazy turnaround really, both in the H2H results and in Martina's performance.

She was easily top 5 quality today, very aggressive and it paid off. I hope she takes this form and confidence into the next match. She could certainly beat Mauresmo.

Maybe Martina was just finding her feet on clay in her previous matches here and at Warsaw. I hope so :) She's certainly worked it out now.

borisy
May 11th, 2006, 02:26 PM
I want to see the aggressive Martina in bed!

Martyś
May 11th, 2006, 02:27 PM
I want to see Martina in TOP 5. That would be great.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 02:28 PM
It's hard to be aggressive against most of the big hitters with her serve. She'll start each service point on the defensive. If she keeps working on her serve and gets better placement if not speed, it will help.

Glad she played a good game today though!

hingis-seles
May 11th, 2006, 02:29 PM
I want to see the aggressive Martina in bed!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm so hapy she won today. This is some crazy shit. :aparty:

Veritas
May 11th, 2006, 02:31 PM
Martina isn't an aggressive player. She plays her best tennis by setting up her points early in the match to derail her opponents - she thrives on a mixture of great anticipation, knowing exactly when to hit what kind of shots and playing well enough for her opponents to be too disheartened to put up a fight. That's why I reckon she manages to posts so many breadsticks and bagels in her early-round matches. Her 5'7'' height makes it almost impossible for her to be the "aggressive" player that Serena, Lindsay and Maria are. Strategy works best for her, and that includes picking the right moment to play defensively.

alfonsojose
May 11th, 2006, 02:31 PM
Radek told her "i'm going to kiss u in public if u lose against Dementieva" :scared:

alfonsojose
May 11th, 2006, 02:34 PM
I want to see the aggressive Martina in bed!
http://www.einhorn-film.at/filme_abc/chucky.htm :devil:

Steffica Greles
May 11th, 2006, 03:18 PM
But it's never been that simple.

Martina is the most intelligent player there's ever been, in my opinion. She knows as well as we do that when she's aggressive she's more effective.

Look, put it this way. If you have a sharp knife and someone attacks you with a chain saw, are you going to be aggressive, or instead will you try to dodge and duck out of the way and hope somehow to get a chance to stab back?

When Hingis is able to be aggressive, she is. That's why, for example, she had an overwhelming winning record against players such as Coetzer or Sanchez-Vicario, both of whom employed counter punching as the cornerstone of their games. But against a player who hits harder and who is quicker around the court, Martina is a pistol up against a nuclear weapon.

So my point is, Hingis has no choice but to run after her opponents' bigger shots and try to force errors. She knows that when she can she must step up the pace on her serves and groundstrokes, but with a lightweight serve and looped groundstrokes, her opportunities to do so are limited.

moby
May 11th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I agree with the first two paragraphs, but not with the last three.

The reason being that Martina can be more aggressive and effective against those players, but she doesn't, not really because of conscious choice. Martina's on-court game has always been more intuitive than rational, and when she's on she's incredibly at ease. But when she isn't, when the doubts creep in, when the few additional errors mar her game, the emotional part takes over quickly, and she over-rationalises. That's how her game spirals downhill into passivity.

She should do the Richard Williams notes to remind herself to be aggressive, really.

swissmisshingis
May 11th, 2006, 03:51 PM
Radek told her "i'm going to kiss u in public if u lose against Dementieva" :scared:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Light-skinned Girl
May 11th, 2006, 04:22 PM
Passive Hingis = Top 20

It's that simple. :)

:D

And she needs to realise (remember actually) as well that she cannot allow these lower-ranked opponents ti win the amount of games they're currently winning against her. Vintage Martina Hingis would be appalled! :angel:

Steffica Greles
May 11th, 2006, 06:41 PM
I agree with the first two paragraphs, but not with the last three.

The reason being that Martina can be more aggressive and effective against those players, but she doesn't, not really because of conscious choice. Martina's on-court game has always been more intuitive than rational, and when she's on she's incredibly at ease. But when she isn't, when the doubts creep in, when the few additional errors mar her game, the emotional part takes over quickly, and she over-rationalises. That's how her game spirals downhill into passivity.

She should do the Richard Williams notes to remind herself to be aggressive, really.

But did nobody consider that Hingis' strengths -- feel, length, instinctive choice of shot -- are founded upon the mental approach she takes when hitting the ball. Hingis just doesn't hit the ball aggressively. That's not the player that she is. Take away Hingis' approach and you completely change the player -- which is impossible.

Maryamator
May 11th, 2006, 06:52 PM
if she mix passive hingis with aggressive hingis(and wi know sh can do it)=NUMBER ONE
:worship:

hablo
May 11th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Radek told her "i'm going to kiss u in public if u lose against Dementieva" :scared::spit:

Brandon85
May 11th, 2006, 07:26 PM
well i didn't get to see the match, but i really hope she keeps it up, whatever she did!

Carmen Mairena
May 11th, 2006, 07:53 PM
If she beats Amélie then... :worship:

Hingiswinsthis
May 11th, 2006, 07:58 PM
But it's never been that simple.

Martina is the most intelligent player there's ever been, in my opinion. She knows as well as we do that when she's aggressive she's more effective.

Look, put it this way. If you have a sharp knife and someone attacks you with a chain saw, are you going to be aggressive, or instead will you try to dodge and duck out of the way and hope somehow to get a chance to stab back?

When Hingis is able to be aggressive, she is. That's why, for example, she had an overwhelming winning record against players such as Coetzer or Sanchez-Vicario, both of whom employed counter punching as the cornerstone of their games. But against a player who hits harder and who is quicker around the court, Martina is a pistol up against a nuclear weapon.

So my point is, Hingis has no choice but to run after her opponents' bigger shots and try to force errors. She knows that when she can she must step up the pace on her serves and groundstrokes, but with a lightweight serve and looped groundstrokes, her opportunities to do so are limited.

Hingis has the ability to yo-yo someone like Sharapova around the court. Hingis forgot this play in Indian Wells and therefore she was the one running around. BUT Hingis is MOST confident once you see those backhands down the line like against Davenport. Whenever she hit that bth with her precision, Sharapova gave a weak reply. Hingis didn't do more of that in Indian Wells. So you know what, Hingis DOES have the option to become aggressive...she just isn't doing more of that consistently...yet, but she cleary understands and is trying and you can tell that in her post match interviews.

This years is all about sizing up these players that weren't yet developed when Hingis was on top of her game 4-5 years ago. Next year, these wins against the top 10 should come more often IF Hingis continues on this learning to be aggressive.

I view Hingis's loss to V.Williams last week as another stepping stone. Hingis has another revenge match tomorrow against an old and "heated" nemesis....blast from the past...Mauresmo on clay.

Zauber
May 11th, 2006, 08:00 PM
Well counting her performances so far she has allready made the top ten.
Against most peoples expectations.
She is proving how great a player she really was.
Top five will be tough.
But its great to watch her play with all her variety.
Real tennis in the modern era.
Must be a swiss patent.

ezekiel
May 11th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Radek told her "i'm going to kiss u in public if u lose against Dementieva" :scared:

I thought you loved Radek :devil:

Steffica Greles
May 11th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Hingis has the ability to yo-yo someone like Sharapova around the court. Hingis forgot this play in Indian Wells and therefore she was the one running around. BUT Hingis is MOST confident once you see those backhands down the line like against Davenport. Whenever she hit that bth with her precision, Sharapova gave a weak reply. Hingis didn't do more of that in Indian Wells. So you know what, Hingis DOES have the option to become aggressive...she just isn't doing more of that consistently...yet, but she cleary understands and is trying and you can tell that in her post match interviews.

This years is all about sizing up these players that weren't yet developed when Hingis was on top of her game 4-5 years ago. Next year, these wins against the top 10 should come more often IF Hingis continues on this learning to be aggressive.

I view Hingis's loss to V.Williams last week as another stepping stone. Hingis has another revenge match tomorrow against an old and "heated" nemesis....blast from the past...Mauresmo on clay.

As much as I love Martina and the gift that she brings to tennis, I think people need to wake up and live in the real world.

Hingis is as crafty as a fox and the first time Maria played her she must have been completely unprepared for Martina's bag of tricks. On both of the next two times they played, Maria defeated her decisively. How? Because there was nothing Martina had left that could surprise Sharapova; guile and court craft is all Hingis can rely upon.

And besides, Sharapova is not the best example. Maria is not the quickest player about the court, and that really helps Hingis, who likes to keep players on their toes.

My point is that Hingis only has so much she can draw upon. If guile, court craft and anticipation was everything, Hingis would be able to defeat literally anyone -- even Roger Federer. There are other girls, not just men, who are leagues above Hingis physically. Not just in sheer body mass, but in the physical manner in which they hit the ball. They play a different game -- a game Hingis only has limited means to counter.

SAEKeithSerena
May 11th, 2006, 09:41 PM
as much as i support martina, i don't think she'll be back in the top 5. definitely top 10, though.

tennisboi
May 11th, 2006, 09:48 PM
as much as i support martina, i don't think she'll be back in the top 5. definitely top 10, though.

I agree

bello
May 11th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Theres no reason why she cant make a top ten...if Myskina, Majoli etc have all won slams then Martina could maybe win one with a good draw and a good win or two...and that may get her o the top 5!?

Buitenzorg
May 11th, 2006, 11:38 PM
she can win this title

MrSerenaWilliams
May 11th, 2006, 11:40 PM
I'm just glad she got a good win in today. If she keeps this up, she'll be back on top in no time! Just hope Venus and Serena are motiviated by this. That would be SO awesome if they were the top 3!

LoveFifteen
May 12th, 2006, 12:10 AM
I have NO doubt that Hingis will be back in the Top 5 one day. None.

WIMBLY2004
May 12th, 2006, 12:22 AM
Hingis has the ability to yo-yo someone like Sharapova around the court. Hingis forgot this play in Indian Wells and therefore she was the one running around. BUT Hingis is MOST confident once you see those backhands down the line like against Davenport. Whenever she hit that bth with her precision, Sharapova gave a weak reply. Hingis didn't do more of that in Indian Wells. So you know what, Hingis DOES have the option to become aggressive...she just isn't doing more of that consistently...yet, but she cleary understands and is trying and you can tell that in her post match interviews.


Give me a break, Hingis was totally out played by Maria in that match, she couldn't do her "tricks" because Maria didn't give her the time to do them, she was in defense and running left to right two meters behind the baseline though out the match. She did NOT have the option to become aggressive in that match because Maria didn't allow her to.

Mark for Martina
May 12th, 2006, 12:56 AM
I wouldn't count out Martina yet in terms of high ranking... especially when some people did not even give her a chance of getting near the top 20 early this year...

Almalyk
May 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Good luck vs Momo :bigclap:

azinna
May 12th, 2006, 03:01 AM
At the risk of sounding like a scratched CD......She needs to give herself the chance to be aggressive, especially on her own serve. If she can get her serve to consistently draw weak or neutral returns, she'll have more opportunities to step in, wrongfoot, yo-yo, approach....Otherwise, her top opponents will end up setting the tenor of the match. Basically, it's hard for Hingis to remain aggressive/confident if she's down 15-30 every other service game.

bello
May 12th, 2006, 03:53 AM
I'm just glad she got a good win in today. If she keeps this up, she'll be back on top in no time! Just hope Venus and Serena are motiviated by this. That would be SO awesome if they were the top 3!

and then just through the Justine and Kim in the mix!

switz
May 12th, 2006, 05:19 AM
well it's not quite that simple because Hingis can make a lot of errors when she tries to be aggressive and she isn't time the ball and she can miss a lot of first serves.

Definitely she needs to take any genuine opportunity to take control of points but she still needs to keep her head and use all the variety that she has in her game because i don't think she can blast the ball every point of every match and expect to always produce good tennis.

she's knows what she's doing though - her comeback has exceeded anyone expectations so far and to me it's clear that she's working on her game and that is perhaps why she's thrown in some poor performance here and there.

Jamie
May 12th, 2006, 05:28 AM
DO no underestimate this great Champion. Don't be shocked if she gets to # 1 again. I don't doubt it one bit.

Hingie
May 12th, 2006, 07:13 AM
Give me a break, Hingis was totally out played by Maria in that match, she couldn't do her "tricks" because Maria didn't give her the time to do them, she was in defense and running left to right two meters behind the baseline though out the match. She did NOT have the option to become aggressive in that match because Maria didn't allow her to.

Oh please, Marti hit a lot of errors in that match. The problem she has is that she needs to strike the perfect balance of aggression, precision and variety - particularly against the top girls and this is not an easy thing to do.

Sometimes she goes for too much and the unforced errors pile up and that spells big trouble for her because she relies so heavily on consistency.

lukehingis
May 12th, 2006, 07:39 AM
I wouldn't count out Martina yet in terms of high ranking... especially when some people did not even give her a chance of getting near the top 20 early this year...

Whe she announced her comeback plans, most people were saying she'd at best be top 20 at the end of the year... but now, halfway through the season (with 3 slams to go), martina's one win from the top 20!!!:worship:

Dymension
May 12th, 2006, 07:47 AM
Yes, Martina need be more aggressive when she face with top player ;):D