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ZeroSOFInfinity
May 11th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Justine, Martina and Lindsay have won 3 out of the 4 Slams...

Justine: Australian Open, French Open and US Open.
Martina: Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open.
Lindsay: Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open

To complete the Grand Slam, Justine needs to win Wimby, & Martina and Lindsay will have to win French.

Who will achieve it first? :wavey:

Cat's Pajamas
May 11th, 2006, 01:43 AM
never lindsay,

prob never Justine,

prob never Martina :shrug:

Shenanigans
May 11th, 2006, 01:46 AM
Justine but she would probably have to lose early at RG, and put all her focus into winning Wimbledon.
It could happen this year Lindsay and Venus have hardly played, Serena won't be there, Maria, Amélie and Kim, also Sveta would be her obstacles.
But I don't think it will happen, Maria, Amélie or Kim will win wimbledon this year.

tennisboi
May 11th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Lindsay will never win the french-no explanation needed

Justine's serve isn't good enough for grass but with Serena out, Venus' form still low, Lindsay injured and with her mental edge over Maria she could do it this year

Martina with an easy draw might win the french but there are a load of player that are better than her on the red stuff so it's a hard ask for her but of the three I would put her first to win all four

PLP
May 11th, 2006, 01:56 AM
Justine and Martina could win there missing slam within the next 4 or 5 years...It won't be easy but I think they both will...I think Lindsay has accepted the fact that she will never win RG and it doesn't make her any less of a great player...They are all great champs, even w/o the career GS>P

shap_half
May 11th, 2006, 02:27 AM
Justine's made the Final and SF (twice) of Wimbledon and she's very focused on winning that last Slam. I think people are writing her off for reasons I don't understand.

-VSR-
May 11th, 2006, 02:47 AM
Venus Williams. :devil:

Wannabeknowitall
May 11th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Justine's made the Final and SF (twice) of Wimbledon and she's very focused on winning that last Slam. I think people are writing her off for reasons I don't understand.

Well it's really all up to Justine.
If she wants to win Wimbledon then she knows what to do.
You cannot all of a sudden start playing a grass court game one month in the year and expect the wins to come.
Lendl tried doing that and it surely didn't work for him.

She needs to do the things that got her to that final.
The lost of the muscle mass which she says caused her her nagging hamstring is gone.
That's a start.
There are two other things she needs to do to really give her a chance.

1) A first serve percentage in the 60s.
Playing from a defensive standpoint on grass just doesn't work so you need to make sure that your first mark on the ball (the serve) is one that gives you an advantage and not a disadvantage.

2) Just go all out.
The beautiful backhand of hers is what got her to that final against Venus and that backhand will get her back there.
She has more winners on the forehand but she does a better job of flattening shots out on the backhand which is important on grass.

RJWCapriati
May 11th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Martina

rhz
May 11th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Justine will!!

PLP
May 11th, 2006, 03:15 AM
Good points! I also think she might help herself by playing doubles or mixed, just in the slams, I think just being up at the net, staying aggressive, would be helpful to Justine's game. I know her reasons why not but I honestly think it would help.

Wannabeknowitall
May 11th, 2006, 03:20 AM
Justine and Martina could win there missing slam within the next 4 or 5 years...It won't be easy but I think they both will...I think Lindsay has accepted the fact that she will never win RG and it doesn't make her any less of a great player...They are all great champs, even w/o the career GS>P

I don't think Lindsay has accepted the fact that she will never win RG.
Her first tour wins came on clay.
The start of her even coming back to be a contender at these slams happened on clay (Amelia Island 2004).
She hasn't accepted it and that is one of the reasons why she is playing it this year.

She's fitter than ever before. She's been working on other parts of her game like her slice and even a drop shot.
With the draw so open, why not now?
All Lindsay needs to do is believe herself and to finish off points at net at every opportunity.
If she does that, I don't see why she can't do it.

Zauber
May 11th, 2006, 03:22 AM
Its probably a good bet to say that none of them will.
However I think Justin Henin has the best chance if her back holds out.
Martina has an outside outside chance for the french.
Unfortunately she should have won it twice before.
But its allways easier said than done no matter how great you are.
Lindsey Davenport has just about no chance to win Roland Garros.
However it's not impossible like walking on water.

selyoink
May 11th, 2006, 03:23 AM
I don't think Davenport has much of a chance. Hingis' prospects are better but still not great.

I think Justine will eventually win Wimbledon. She did make the final once and took Venus to a third set in said final. I really don't get why people think it is preposterous that she could win Wimbledon. Aside from last years debacle she has been pretty damn good at Wimbledon.

Lindsayfan32
May 11th, 2006, 03:26 AM
As much as I love Lindsay I would put my money on Justine to do the next career slam and Martina the one after that. I would love Lindsay to prove wrong.

¤CharlDa¤
May 11th, 2006, 03:27 AM
My guess here is none ;) It might actually be Venus :angel:

Rtael
May 11th, 2006, 03:32 AM
????????

Why anyone would even put Lindsay and Martina in the same category as Justine for this is beyond me...but I guess time will reveal all! :p

Wannabeknowitall
May 11th, 2006, 03:38 AM
????????

Why anyone would even put Lindsay and Martina in the same category as Justine for this is beyond me...but I guess time will reveal all! :p

Actually if you think about it, you're right.
Justine doesn't belong in the same category as Martina and Lindsay.
Martina and Lindsay have proven time and time again that they deserve the wins at their slams by backing them up with good results.

The only time Justine has made it pass the 4th round at the US Open was once and she won it.
She did fight hard against Capriati in the semis but I still believe that if Venus or Serena were there that she would not have won that slam.
She hasn't done a very good job of debunking that opinion at the US Open.

Rtael
May 11th, 2006, 03:41 AM
When was the last time Lindsay *won* a slam? Martina? I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's much less likely for them to win any slam again, much more the slam they've both had a huge problem with in the past.

Wannabeknowitall
May 11th, 2006, 03:48 AM
When was the last time Lindsay *won* a slam? Martina? I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's much less likely for them to win any slam again, much more the slam they've both had a huge problem with in the past.

It's a different climate out there even for the defending champion Justine.
I would be stunned if Justine won another slam with a first serve percentage under 50 again.
She has to evolve her game or be lost in the dust like you consider of Martina and Lindsay.
I think she's in a very dangerous area with her game and I'm pretty sure her coach knows it.
It's probably the reason why he really hasn't considered a long-term future with Justine.
Time will tell though.

tennisrox
May 11th, 2006, 03:50 AM
I don't think any of them will, but Justine has the best chance out of all of them.

tennisluver99
May 11th, 2006, 03:53 AM
No one

nytrainer
May 11th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Justine has the best chance. Only an on on form venus, serena, lindsay (maybe not), clijsters (probably not), mauresmo (probably not), sharapova (50/50).. can beat an on form henin on grass (henin was not on form against danilidou last year).

Whereas Hingis on clay has more competition; mauresmo, henin, clijsters, kuznetsova, venus, petrova, serena, and sharapova all have a pretty good if not great chance to beat hingis on clay. Not to mention back to back tough matches against the "big girls" will probably wear her out.

Lindsay: great person, fantastic game, but with her lack of movement and sometimes poor attitude, no chance on clay unless the top 5 clay court women dont show up. I dont think that even she believes that she can do it, why should I?

MH0861
May 11th, 2006, 04:16 AM
Justine has had very erratic results on grass, but I think she's still more likely to win Wimbledon than Martina/Lindsay at RG.

PLP
May 11th, 2006, 04:51 AM
Actually if you think about it, you're right.
Justine doesn't belong in the same category as Martina and Lindsay.
Martina and Lindsay have proven time and time again that they deserve the wins at their slams by backing them up with good results.

The only time Justine has made it pass the 4th round at the US Open was once and she won it.
She did fight hard against Capriati in the semis but I still believe that if Venus or Serena were there that she would not have won that slam.
She hasn't done a very good job of debunking that opinion at the US Open.

:worship:

October
May 11th, 2006, 05:01 AM
Martina and Justine both stand a good chance. Especially Justine.

No Name Face
May 11th, 2006, 05:06 AM
Venus has a better shot at winning the AO and the FO than those three have in winning their remaining slam.

cheo23
May 11th, 2006, 05:10 AM
Anyways, SOME POSTERS just don't know what the Hell there Talking about:rolleyes: :cuckoo: :retard:'s.

Queen Justine hasn't Made it past the 4th Round at the US OPEN the last couple of years was because in 2004 she was RECOVERING FROM HER VIRUS & LAST YEAR SHE Had a HAMSTRING INJURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!

WHO WILL GET THE GRAND SLAM 1st....QUEEN JUSTINE has a BETTER CHANCE THAN MARTINA HINGIS.

Lindsay HAS NO IDEA HOW TO WIN A SLAM since she hasn't won in 6 LONG YEARS. she's come up empty so many times.... hopefully, her body can BE READY FOR WIMBLEDON...We'll SEE.

Wannabeknowitall
May 11th, 2006, 06:24 AM
Anyways, SOME POSTERS just don't know what the Hell there Talking about:rolleyes: :cuckoo: :retard:'s.

Queen Justine hasn't Made it past the 4th Round at the US OPEN the last couple of years was because in 2004 she was RECOVERING FROM HER VIRUS & LAST YEAR SHE Had a HAMSTRING INJURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!

WHO WILL GET THE GRAND SLAM 1st....QUEEN JUSTINE has a BETTER CHANCE THAN MARTINA HINGIS.

Lindsay HAS NO IDEA HOW TO WIN A SLAM since she hasn't won in 6 LONG YEARS. she's come up empty so many times.... hopefully, her body can BE READY FOR WIMBLEDON...We'll SEE.

According to your analysis it looks like Justine need to "get it together". :lol:
As usual the excuses are here to save the player from an embarassing lost.

The fact of the matter is that Justine got her butt whipped by Mary Pierce at the US Open last year and never mentioned her hamstring as an issue in that match.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 11th, 2006, 08:24 AM
Ok....so there are 3 active multiple slam winners who have not won a career grand slam. Yeah, Venus fans should feel insulted that Venus is not on this list, but Justine, Lindsay, and Martina only need one more, however, seeing as Venus has won the most recent slam of any of them....I'll add her to this discussion.

If we're talking purely about records and best results:

Justine at Wimbledon: 16-5 Best Result: Final 2001 (3s loss to V. Williams) Last Result: Round 1 2005 (3s loss to E. Daniilidou)
Martina at Roland Garros: 31-7 Best Result: Final 1999 and 1997 (3s loss to S. Graf and 2s loss to I. Majoli) Last Result: 2001 Semifinal (2s loss to J. Capriati eventual champ.)
Lindsay at Roland Garros: 31-12 Best Result: Semifinal 1998 (3s loss to A. Sanchez-Vicario exventual champ.) Last Result: 2005 Quarterfinal (2s loss to M. Pierce- eventaual r.up)
Venus at Australian Open: 28-8 Best Result: 2003 Final (3s loss to S. Williams) Last Result: 2006 Round 1 (3s loss to T. Pironkova)
Roland Garros: 27-9 Best Result: 2002 Final (2s loss to S. Williams) Last Result: 2005 Round 3 (3s loss to eventual QF S. Karatantcheva)

If we're talking about in what condition the tour was in when they won their other titles, well then, (I KNOW, I KNOW, sorry Justine fans) you really have question the validity of the 2003 US Open and 2004 Australian Open. Serena and Venus has won EVERY SLAM from Wimbledon 2001 to Wimbledon 2003, except for two..and Serena really should have won the French. There's no way you can tell me that if Venus and Serena weren't playing that they wouldn't have won the US Open and the Australian Open. They won the past 4 before that one and they just played in the AO final that year. But that doesn't really matter, because Justine actually had to go out there and play, and win those two slams (quite gutsily too) and she did, so...OK. Lindsay and Martina won their slams when they were on top and there weren't any real missing links. I mean the tour was in its transitional phase, but Lindsay was apart of the new trend of power players. Martina's smarts are still to be reconed with, but her serve is a HUGE weakness. Player like Maria, Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Mary, etc. can TEE-OFF on her serve like a regular groundstroke. Venus really didn't do anything wrong in her run to the RG and AO final...except run into her little sister.


Here's (as simply put as possible) what they all need to do to get those elusive slams:
Justine (Wimbledon) - discover the net and be consistently offensive....and don't play anyone named Williams on a decent day.
Martina (Roland Garros) - get a good draw and believe enough in her game to not go away in the big moments...the serve really isn't an issue (see Dementieva 2004)
Lindsay (Roland Garros) - learn how to slide and have enough belief that you can go deep, and STAY HEALTHY AND POSITIVE
Venus (Australian Open) - start training for the season after the YEC. Play Sydney, Hopman, or another (real) warm-up
Venus (Roland Garros) - stay healthy through first 4 months of season, and work on forehand.

ALL THAT SAID, I think Martina will win it first...by 2007 (you heard it here first!) I think Venus and Justine will eventually win it, but because of Lindsay's stage in her career, I'd like her to win it, but I just don't see it happening.

lindsayno1
May 11th, 2006, 08:43 AM
none

andrewbroad
May 13th, 2006, 12:43 AM
Maria Sharapova (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/shara/) has a better chance of winning the French, US and Australian Opens in her career than any of these players do of capturing their one elusive Grand Slam title.

Their approximate chances of completing a career Grand Slam:

Davenport 0%
Hingis 2%
Henin-Hardenne 6%
--
Dr. Andrew Broad
http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/ (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/)
http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/ (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/)

IceHock
May 13th, 2006, 12:48 AM
hingis has the best chance.lindsay on clay is not good although she made the quarters.henin and wimbledon just do not match and she will always go deep in the fo unless an injury occurs,so she'd prolly still be tired.hingis actually has a good clay game and could upset mauresmo tomorrow when they finish.

cartmancop
May 13th, 2006, 01:06 AM
Oddly enough I think Martina has the best chance... She is proving this week that she can beat the top players on clay & the FO is WIDE open this year once again.

Lindsay won't win the French. She pretty much gave up on that a long time ago & focuses her energy for her best tournament Wimbledon, which I still think she can win.

I just don't see Justine winning Wimbledon with her current game. The majority of the top players seem to be @ their best on grass & JHH simply isn't. Her serve is too much of a liability on the grass & it's much harder for her to use her excellent defense & variety when she is rushed on the grass or fast Hard courts. She has excellent volleys, but w/o a better 1st Serve % she won't get enough chances to use them. She also has a large backswing for her great BH which she needs ample time to set up for. Although she is probably the best on clay, Lindsay, Amelie, Serena, Maria, & Venus for sure are better than JHH on grass.

Rtael
May 13th, 2006, 01:19 AM
Maria Sharapova (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/shara/) has a better chance of winning the French, US and Australian Opens in her career than any of these players do of capturing their one elusive Grand Slam title.

Their approximate chances of completing a career Grand Slam:

Davenport 0%
Hingis 2%
Henin-Hardenne 6%
--
Dr. Andrew Broad
http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/ (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/)
http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/ (http://geocities.com/andrewbroad/tennis/)


OMG that post is so dumb it almost deserves a negative rep.

Stamp Paid
May 13th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Neither will do it.
Not goood enough.

Hingiswinsthis
May 13th, 2006, 03:27 AM
It's amazing how much Martina is now being taken seriously, and in fact...in the same breath of a possible Major win. Remember she is not suppose to reach the top 20 again? ;-)

but any who back to the topic.... this year? I'd put my money on Justine right now. She's in the thick of things at 23 years old and when she puts her mind into something, she gets it! She's always stated that Wimbledon is a goal of hers. She understands how important Wimbledon is in tennis.

Barrie_Dude
May 13th, 2006, 03:28 AM
Lindsay

Justeenium
May 13th, 2006, 03:47 AM
how come stupid williams fans never question the validity of Serena's 05 AusOpen?

Neither Clijsters nor JHH played there.

LoveFifteen
May 13th, 2006, 04:05 AM
I think Martina and Justine both have a shot at completing the career Grand Slam. If Hingis stays in this for a few more years, we'd be foolish to say she couldn't win Roland Garros with the right draw and some luck. Same with Justine. With the right draw and some luck, she can easily win Wimbledon. I sincerely hope Martina wins the career Grand Slam, she deserves it. And so does Justine even though I rag on her.

Lindsay ... never.

LUIS9
May 13th, 2006, 04:57 AM
I don't think Davenport has much of a chance. Hingis' prospects are better but still not great.

I think Justine will eventually win Wimbledon. She did make the final once and took Venus to a third set in said final. I really don't get why people think it is preposterous that she could win Wimbledon. Aside from last years debacle she has been pretty damn good at Wimbledon.

Unfortunately the sets that she lost were like 0-6 1-6, Nevertheless, Shes got the game to be successful on grass. However, for some reason her one-handed backhand gets quite exposed, especially when she faced a Williams both Venus and Serena crushed her at wimby when they faced her. Venus I can't remember the exact scores, I just know for sure she lost the third set quickly by a score of 1-6 and Serena beat her convingcingly 3-6 2-6 avenging her loss at Roland to Henin.

vwfan
May 13th, 2006, 11:33 AM
Maria, Amélie or Kim will win wimbledon this year.really, all knowing one. and where will the be holding Venus Williams and how much pray tell will be requested in the ransom note?
You know the player who has been in the final, five out of six times no matter what her play has been like for the rest of the year. that Venus Williams!

vwfan
May 13th, 2006, 11:37 AM
Justine's made the Final and SF (twice) of Wimbledon and she's very focused on winning that last Slam. I think people are writing her off for reasons I don't understand.The reason is because there are at least five better players than her on the surface. If they are all injured or not playing, she has a chance. But even Maria would hit her off the court on grass. . .and didn't she exit in the first round last year? maybe that's why!

vwfan
May 13th, 2006, 11:48 AM
how come stupid williams fans never question the validity of Serena's 05 AusOpen?

Neither Clijsters nor JHH played there.uhmm...duh...because she won it before beating Kim in the process!

vwfan
May 13th, 2006, 11:49 AM
Unfortunately the sets that she lost were like 0-6 1-6, Nevertheless, Shes got the game to be successful on grass. However, for some reason her one-handed backhand gets quite exposed, especially when she faced a Williams both Venus and Serena crushed her at wimby when they faced her. Venus I can't remember the exact scores, I just know for sure she lost the third set quickly by a score of 1-6 and Serena beat her convingcingly 3-6 2-6 avenging her loss at Roland to Henin.Venus woke up in the third set and delivered a bagel! :eek:

justine&coria
May 13th, 2006, 12:22 PM
I think people are writing her off for reasons I don't understand.
Yeah, neither do I understand.
Justine has a lot of chances of winning Wimbledon in the next 5 years. She was semi-finalist and finalist, only losing to the bests ever on grass. But, at that time, she hadn't reached her best level yet. So I'm really confident. And when Justine wants something, she'll do what she needs to to make it.

What's funny is that many of those people who are definitely writing Justine out, believe that the Williamses will come back and dominate once again the tour.
If that's possible (considering the way things are going), then Justine winning Wimbledon is too. :o