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Steve-o
May 9th, 2006, 10:25 PM
...someone buggered up the entry list. :o

Late entry to Birmingham by the looks of things, hopefully :)

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=7997498
:rolleyes: ^
Pack your bucket and spade Maria!! :lol: (really nice beaches too, shame)

Dan23
May 9th, 2006, 11:58 PM
Interesting....its the week before Wimbledon

Shes not on the entry list for Birmingham then?

Dan23
May 9th, 2006, 11:59 PM
to answer my own question...no shes not on the Birmy entry list.....interesting change of attack here

JoJoCircus
May 10th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Not sure how I feel about this

azi
May 10th, 2006, 04:09 AM
she wont defend her title?

morningglory
May 10th, 2006, 04:42 AM
hmmm.... shame she's not playing where she's won 2 years in a row... I hope she changes her mind by then... maybe a WC.

She can play Birmingham AND Eastbourne... if she doesn't do well at the French.

myxomatosis
May 10th, 2006, 04:48 AM
hmmm.... shame she's not playing where she's won 2 years in a row... I hope she changes her mind by then... maybe a WC. Agreed. It's the tournament she won right before Wimbledon 2004 so it seems like kind of a special tournament for Maria.
Eastbourne should give her tougher matches though, which is a very sensible way to warm-up for Wimbledon.

shadowsecret
May 10th, 2006, 06:01 AM
i like birmingham.. :(

Andy.
May 10th, 2006, 06:23 AM
Im not sure if a like this move, playing Birmingham has always been the perfect preparation for Wimbledon for her and having the week off before a slam is something i like to stay rested and ready.

Maria Croft
May 10th, 2006, 08:57 AM
This is a great change, I really like Birmingham but Eastbourne is just more tougher, it's the right decision, if she really wants to win Wimbledon she should be able to win Eastbourne, and win a grass Tier II :yeah:

I was hoping she would go for 3 in a row but I like that she changes things, and it's good to have a week to rest right after Roland Garros

furrykitten
May 10th, 2006, 11:57 AM
Shame, Birmingham is only 30 minutes away for me but I'll go see her in Eastbourne!, oh and I'll be taking my camera!. Expect some nice pictures in the future :bounce:

Martyś
May 10th, 2006, 01:58 PM
I don't like this change :(

TeaMMashA
May 10th, 2006, 02:12 PM
Am i right in saying she elected for Eastbourne lat year then ended up playing Birmingham?

Maria Croft
May 10th, 2006, 04:06 PM
No I don't think so, she was thinking about playing Eastbourne or Birmingham, but was never on the Eastbourne entry list or anything like that, she decided very late to play Birmingham though

xan
May 10th, 2006, 04:29 PM
NO!

I don't like this!

Birmingham was perfect. It gave her a nice tune-up and then a week's rest until Wimbledon. Eastbourne is right before Wimby, has a lot of hard matches, and the winner of Eastbourne very rarely wins Wimbledon.

Why change a winning formula? Stick to Birmingham.

The_Pov
May 10th, 2006, 05:37 PM
It's good prectice for her, I think she doesn't want a repeat of last year so she wants to be as prepared as possible.

Although there is no one there she can't beat on grass.

Steve-o
May 10th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I think it's great. Maria has conquered Birmingham, the draw is too weak for a player of her quality anyway, so it's time for a change, embrace it. I'm sure Maria will gain more confidence and experience from success at Eastbourne rather than Birmingham. :cool:

jacobruiz
May 10th, 2006, 09:01 PM
NO!

I don't like this!

Birmingham was perfect. It gave her a nice tune-up and then a week's rest until Wimbledon. Eastbourne is right before Wimby, has a lot of hard matches, and the winner of Eastbourne very rarely wins Wimbledon.

Why change a winning formula? Stick to Birmingham.


She really can't this year. Daniela H. is the highest seed and she is 16th in the rankings. She and Elena L., ranked 17th, are the only seeds in the top 20. Maria is too good for this tournament now. She needs match practise with top players in order to do well at Wimbledon.

andrewbroad
May 10th, 2006, 10:39 PM
In 2004, Maria was on the commitments for Birmingham and Eastbourne. She won Birmingham, and pulled out of Eastbourne for rest & recovery.

In 2005, she didn't commit to either tournament, but made a late entry into Birmingham the day after she lost in the quarter-finals of the French Open.

This year, I wouldn't be surprised if she made a late entry into Birmingham, and then pulled out of Eastbourne - especially if she will be out of the French Open before the semi-finals again.

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Dan23
May 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM
This year, I wouldn't be surprised if she made a late entry into Birmingham, and then pulled out of Eastbourne - especially if she will be out of the French Open before the semi-finals again.
It wouldnt surprise me either but I do think the benefits of playing Eastbourne make it worthwhile, though the lack of a week off is something different for Maria to get used to.

Andy.
May 11th, 2006, 01:46 AM
Yeah you guys have turned me im seeing it a a big possitive now, getting good competition on grass is a good idea and she can see where she is at.

lakan kildap
May 11th, 2006, 02:32 AM
NO!

I don't like this!

Birmingham was perfect. It gave her a nice tune-up and then a week's rest until Wimbledon. Eastbourne is right before Wimby, has a lot of hard matches, and the winner of Eastbourne very rarely wins Wimbledon.

Why change a winning formula? Stick to Birmingham.

I agree. Recent Wimbledon results also show the Eastbourne winner didn't get any advantage. Kuznetsova lost in the 1R in 2004 after winning Eastbourne. How did last year's winner fare?

The only thing she'd get there is a bigger venue, more fans, and a bigger paycheck, if she advances far.

Dan23
May 11th, 2006, 02:38 AM
Yeah you guys have turned me im seeing it a a big possitive now, getting good competition on grass is a good idea and she can see where she is at.
I still dont know about it...can see a case either way...but I always enjoyed Maria at Birmingham, seemed to be the right preparation

btw you are loaded with cash mate :p if you need to offload any you know who to go to :angel:

Andy.
May 11th, 2006, 02:47 AM
I still dont know about it...can see a case either way...but I always enjoyed Maria at Birmingham, seemed to be the right preparation

btw you are loaded with cash mate :p if you need to offload any you know who to go to :angel:

Do you want some Dan ? :p :lol: :D I have some stored away as well so if you need some its yours

Dan23
May 11th, 2006, 03:20 AM
Do you want some Dan ? :p :lol: :D I have some stored away as well so if you need some its yours
if you have some spare then i'd like it for sure :angel: ;)

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 07:12 AM
I don't see what previous winners from Eastbourne have anything to do with this though :confused:

It's not like you can't win Wimbledon if you play and win Eastbourne :lol:
That's like saying a 17 year old girl that has never won anything higher then a Tier III can't win a grand slam ;)

lakan kildap
May 11th, 2006, 09:03 AM
Since I made the correlation between Eastbourne winners and Wimbledon, let's see...

http://eastbourne.lta.org.uk/EventInfo/EventHistory.htm

2005 K. Clijsters (BEL) d. V. Douchevina (RUS) 7-5, 6-0
2004 S. Kuznetsova (RUS) d. D. Hantuchova (SVK) 2-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2003 C. Rubin (USA) d. C. Martinez (ESP) 6-4 6-3 6-4
2002 C. Rubin (USA) d. A. Myskina (RUS) 6-1 6-3
2001 L. Davenport (USA) d. M. Serna (ESP) 6-2 6-0
2000 J. Halard-Decugis (FRA) d. D. Van Roost (BEL) 7-6(4) 6-4
1999 N. Zvereva (BLR) d. N. Tauziat (FRA) 0-6 7-5 6-3
1998 J. Novotna (CZE) d. A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-1 7-5
1997 A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) vs. J. Novotna (CZE) n/p
1996 M. Seles (USA) d. M. Fernandez (USA) 6-0 6-2
1995 N. Tauziat (FRA) d. C. Rubin (USA) 3-6 6-0 7-5
1994 M. McGrath (USA) d. L. Wild (USA) 6-2 6-4
1993 M. Navratilova (USA) d. M. Oremans (NED) 2-6 6-2 6-3
1992 L. McNeil (USA) d. L. Wild (USA) 6-4 6-4
1991 M. Navratilova (USA) d. A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-4 6-4
1990 M. Navratilova (USA) d. G. Magers (USA) 6-0 6-2

I also said recent Wimbledon results, but let's stretch that a bit and go as far back as 1990. My goodness, of all the winners of Eastbourne since 1990, only two, Martina Navratilova in 1990 and Jana Novotna in 1998 have gone on to win Wimbledon the same year.

How does this play in a thread about Eastbourne, you might ask? Because no matter how we slice and dice this, all these grasscourt tournaments are "warm ups" to Wimbledon.

Like I said, the only thing she will get from Eastbourne that she won't get from Birmingham is a bigger purse, more fans in the seats, perhaps. And Birmingham's such a special tournament in her history. In fact, that's where she first made history, making the semis in '03, beating the higher seeded Dementieva, which basically began her ascent. It is generally believed to be her breakthrough tournament. So I think Birmingham is better. I won't dismiss the rest she gets between DFS and Wimbledon.

Teemu
May 11th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Interesting. We'll have to see how it works out. Birmingham+Wimbledon has been a working pair, but it doesn't mean it's the only way to go. It's always good to get some tough matches before a grand slam. The only thing bothering me is that she won't get a week off before Wimby, but I guess she knows that she's physically ready for it. When/if she goes on to win both, we'll have a new winning formula. :)

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 11:40 AM
Since I made the correlation between Eastbourne winners and Wimbledon, let's see...

http://eastbourne.lta.org.uk/EventInfo/EventHistory.htm

2005 K. Clijsters (BEL) d. V. Douchevina (RUS) 7-5, 6-0
2004 S. Kuznetsova (RUS) d. D. Hantuchova (SVK) 2-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2003 C. Rubin (USA) d. C. Martinez (ESP) 6-4 6-3 6-4
2002 C. Rubin (USA) d. A. Myskina (RUS) 6-1 6-3
2001 L. Davenport (USA) d. M. Serna (ESP) 6-2 6-0
2000 J. Halard-Decugis (FRA) d. D. Van Roost (BEL) 7-6(4) 6-4
1999 N. Zvereva (BLR) d. N. Tauziat (FRA) 0-6 7-5 6-3
1998 J. Novotna (CZE) d. A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-1 7-5
1997 A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) vs. J. Novotna (CZE) n/p
1996 M. Seles (USA) d. M. Fernandez (USA) 6-0 6-2
1995 N. Tauziat (FRA) d. C. Rubin (USA) 3-6 6-0 7-5
1994 M. McGrath (USA) d. L. Wild (USA) 6-2 6-4
1993 M. Navratilova (USA) d. M. Oremans (NED) 2-6 6-2 6-3
1992 L. McNeil (USA) d. L. Wild (USA) 6-4 6-4
1991 M. Navratilova (USA) d. A. Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 6-4 6-4
1990 M. Navratilova (USA) d. G. Magers (USA) 6-0 6-2

I also said recent Wimbledon results, but let's stretch that a bit and go as far back as 1990. My goodness, of all the winners of Eastbourne since 1990, only two, Martina Navratilova in 1990 and Jana Novotna in 1998 have gone on to win Wimbledon the same year.

How does this play in a thread about Eastbourne, you might ask? Because no matter how we slice and dice this, all these grasscourt tournaments are "warm ups" to Wimbledon.

Like I said, the only thing she will get from Eastbourne that she won't get from Birmingham is a bigger purse, more fans in the seats, perhaps. And Birmingham's such a special tournament in her history. In fact, that's where she first made history, making the semis in '03, beating the higher seeded Dementieva, which basically began her ascent. It is generally believed to be her breakthrough tournament. So I think Birmingham is better. I won't dismiss the rest she gets between DFS and Wimbledon.

Nice list :yeah:

And how many 17 year old girls have won Wimbledon ever?
The list isn't longer you know ;)
Just because it didn't happen a lot doesn't mean it can't and won't happen, Maria controls her own fate, not Eastbourne lol

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 11:43 AM
One more thing I would like to add.

How arrogant is it to think that Maria will even win Eastbourne, did anyone bother to check the entry list? it's a Tier I field!

Let's wish her good luch first before we start talking about winning Eastbourne and Wimbledon in the same year :lol:

Teemu
May 11th, 2006, 12:18 PM
One more thing I would like to add.

How arrogant is it to think that Maria will even win Eastbourne, did anyone bother to check the entry list? it's a Tier I field!

Let's wish her good luch first before we start talking about winning Eastbourne and Wimbledon in the same year :lol:


I always want her to win, and never am I pissed at her if she doesn't, so I don't see it as arrogance. :)
But yeah, better to wish the very best of luck than start talking about winning something months ahead.

furrykitten
May 11th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Maria not playing Eastbourne after all, must be Birmingham after all

myxomatosis
May 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Well it looks like she's going to end up being a late entry somewhere...

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 06:20 PM
Maria not playing Eastbourne after all, must be Birmingham after all


Did I miss something :confused:

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Never mind, I already saw it

Super bugger :o

Now I really hope she plays Birmingham

furrykitten
May 11th, 2006, 06:33 PM
Did I miss something :confused:


Yes see this thread

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=235412

furrykitten
May 11th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Never mind, I already saw it

Super bugger :o

Now I really hope she plays Birmingham


Haha took me 5 mins to find it!, oh well she may still go to Birmingham, I hope!

TeaMMashA
May 11th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Yeah looks as if she will be a late entry for Birmingham apparently she has said she is looking forward to playing Birmingham this year also

Maria Croft
May 11th, 2006, 06:38 PM
I hope so, it would be a waste if she only played one tournament on her best surface, I would so love to see her win Birmingham 3 times in a row :D

But I also was already looking forward to see her play in Eastbourne, damn that wrong entry list :sad:

Steve-o
May 11th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Arse :fiery:..gotta laugh though :lol:...it produced a nice little debate in here. I so wanted to see Maria take on the other elite players at Eastbourne, I really hope she plays there some time in the future. :sad: I guess Maria knows what's right for her though.

furrykitten
May 11th, 2006, 08:32 PM
Perfect for me if she's a Brum, I'm only 30 mins away, maybe I can take Maria on a tour of Wolverhampton! :lol:

Andy.
May 11th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Well im Happy, sticking with the formular that has always worked and worked really well.

lakan kildap
May 12th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Nice list :yeah:

And how many 17 year old girls have won Wimbledon ever?
The list isn't longer you know ;)
Just because it didn't happen a lot doesn't mean it can't and won't happen, Maria controls her own fate, not Eastbourne lol

What is your problem? Did I say it didn't happen? I said it didn't happen very often, only twice in 16 years, which could only lead me to conclude that Eastbourne isn't that good a preparation for Wimbledon.

What does her winning Wimbledon at 17 have anything to do with my point?

In case you didn't get it the first couple times, I thought Birmingham gives her better preparation for Wimbledon. She gets a rest period between Birmingham and Wimbledon, something she doesn't get with Eastbourne. Birmingham also has sentimental value, she has great history there: the last three years, she was SF, winner and winner. The last three years at Wimbledon, she was 4R, winner and SF. That was the point I was making.

And yeah, obviously, the list of Wimbledon winners at 17 or younger is short.

Lottie Dodd,

Martina Hingis and

Maria Sharapova

madame_maria
May 12th, 2006, 04:10 AM
i'd prefer her to play eastbourne actually.

playing at birmingham almost awards her the trophy if she signs up.

the competition she gets there will probably amount to the level of play of her competition in wimbledon up to only the quarterfinals at most.

last year i was really worried when she had to play venus in the semis because it was a WIDE stretch from the quality of play her first-quarterfinal round opponents could master. Maria needs to 1) get used to grass again, and also 2) get good grass opponents to train up and prepare herself. i don't care if she doesn't win eastbourne.

she could lose eastbourne and win wimbledon and i'd pick that ANYTIME.

though yea of course, i respect her decision. i'm just skeptical about her absolute devotion to the place where all her '04 magic begun. i'm just thinking, it's about time to move on.

Dan23
May 12th, 2006, 05:48 AM
wtf Steve-o?? :scratch:
incorrect Entry lists?

Steve-o
May 12th, 2006, 06:48 AM
wtf Steve-o?? :scratch:
incorrect Entry lists?

yep, got all excited about nothing, nevermind. :lol:

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=235412

Dan23
May 12th, 2006, 07:16 AM
ahh OK that thread was too early in the morning for me :lol:

Looks like Maria might grab a late entry into a leadup tournament again....Birmingham would seem most likely

Maria Croft
May 12th, 2006, 08:47 AM
What is your problem? Did I say it didn't happen? I said it didn't happen very often, only twice in 16 years, which could only lead me to conclude that Eastbourne isn't that good a preparation for Wimbledon.

What does her winning Wimbledon at 17 have anything to do with my point?

In case you didn't get it the first couple times, I thought Birmingham gives her better preparation for Wimbledon. She gets a rest period between Birmingham and Wimbledon, something she doesn't get with Eastbourne. Birmingham also has sentimental value, she has great history there: the last three years, she was SF, winner and winner. The last three years at Wimbledon, she was 4R, winner and SF. That was the point I was making.

And yeah, obviously, the list of Wimbledon winners at 17 or younger is short.

Lottie Dodd,

Martina Hingis and

Maria Sharapova


What is my problem?!

I wasn't the one getting angry here

I could reply to this post explaining myself but I really don't feel like doing that to someone who is that easily offended, my previous posts directed to you were nothing but friendly discussion, all I was saying is that.....No, I said I wouldn't explain myself.

It looks to me like you missed my explanations the first couple of times, you were to busy shouting out that Maria has no change to win Wimbledon if she plays (wins) Eastbourne, not the other way around :rolleyes:

Maria Croft
May 12th, 2006, 08:49 AM
I really think Eastbourne is the way to go this year, it's so much tougher.

But as long as she plays Birmingham instead I'm happy too, it's a grass tournament, and she can win it 3 times in a row this year :yeah:

jacobruiz
May 12th, 2006, 01:43 PM
What is your problem? Did I say it didn't happen? I said it didn't happen very often, only twice in 16 years, which could only lead me to conclude that Eastbourne isn't that good a preparation for Wimbledon.

What does her winning Wimbledon at 17 have anything to do with my point?

In case you didn't get it the first couple times, I thought Birmingham gives her better preparation for Wimbledon. She gets a rest period between Birmingham and Wimbledon, something she doesn't get with Eastbourne. Birmingham also has sentimental value, she has great history there: the last three years, she was SF, winner and winner. The last three years at Wimbledon, she was 4R, winner and SF. That was the point I was making.

And yeah, obviously, the list of Wimbledon winners at 17 or younger is short.

Lottie Dodd,

Martina Hingis and

Maria Sharapova


Lakan, what are you getting so upset about? Summon was just pointing out that in spite of all the statistical "evidence" you presented, Maria's chances of winning Wimbledon do not depend on past history. She has an equal chance to win Wimbledon whether she plays (or wins) Eastbourne or not. Past winners of Eastbourne are not really relevant to 2006 Wimbledon.

I hope she gets into one of these tournaments, however.

furrykitten
May 12th, 2006, 01:56 PM
I really think Maria can win Wimbledon this year, in fact I'm off to have a bet on it, I wonder what her odds are like?. The last tournament I saw she was hitting the ball so sweetly and on Grass it will give her an even bigger edge.

xan
May 12th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Great! If she's really not going to Eastbourne.

I hated the idea of her playing Eastbourne since its a poor scenario for her.

Facing a tier 1 field just before Wimbledon for what? Honour? Nobody remembers who won eastbourne a week later. And there's a reason Eastbourne winners do badly at Wimbledon. They're too tired. If she won she'd be very tired. if she lost, its a bad prep for Wimby.

Much better to have a good warm-up at Brum, and prepare easily for Wimbledon.

furrykitten
May 12th, 2006, 04:06 PM
Great! If she's really not going to Eastbourne.

I hated the idea of her playing Eastbourne since its a poor scenario for her.

Facing a tier 1 field just before Wimbledon for what? Honour? Nobody remembers who won eastbourne a week later. And there's a reason Eastbourne winners do badly at Wimbledon. They're too tired. If she won she'd be very tired. if she lost, its a bad prep for Wimby.

Much better to have a good warm-up at Brum, and prepare easily for Wimbledon.

Also I hope Maria K goes to Brum too, that way the team can get back together, hopefully without the Judo outfits though!. :lol:

lakan kildap
May 15th, 2006, 12:50 AM
you were to busy shouting out that Maria has no change to win Wimbledon if she plays (wins) Eastbourne, not the other way around :rolleyes:

WHERE did I write that she has no chance (you meant "chance" right?) to win Wimbledon if she plays Eastbourne? WHERE? Make sure that's what I wrote. Make SURE.

lakan kildap
May 15th, 2006, 12:51 AM
Past winners of Eastbourne are not really relevant to 2006 Wimbledon.



Thank you for proving my point.

Maria Croft
May 15th, 2006, 07:51 AM
WHERE did I write that she has no chance (you meant "chance" right?) to win Wimbledon if she plays Eastbourne? WHERE? Make sure that's what I wrote. Make SURE.


how pathetic :rolleyes:

I'm so done talking to you

lakan kildap
May 16th, 2006, 07:01 AM
how pathetic :rolleyes:

I'm so done talking to you

Hah! Instead of answering my question, you are now down to name calling.

Maria Croft
May 16th, 2006, 08:20 AM
Hah! Instead of answering my question, you are now down to name calling.


Name calling? when did I call anyone anything just now? You are seeing things or are just so desperate that you want to start a fight?

Sorry not with me, and especially not with someone like you

lakan kildap
May 16th, 2006, 09:11 AM
Someone like me? What do you know about me?

You're the one seeing things. First off, if you only had a brain, you would have realized that I didn't say Maria had no "change" (your words) of winning Wimbledon if she plays Eastbourne.

Like any human being, you're free to form opinions from things I write here, but never ever misquote me. That's another matter. I'll never let you get away with that. Go back to our past posts on this thread and really COMPREHEND what I wrote before you hit that keypad.

Maria Croft
May 16th, 2006, 10:54 AM
how pathetic :rolleyes:

I'm so done talking to you

:lol:

jacobruiz
May 16th, 2006, 02:22 PM
Dang, Lakan.:rolleyes: Enough, already!

Steve-o
May 16th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Dang, Lakan.:rolleyes: Enough, already!

Amen to that!! :lol: :p