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Danči Dementia
May 9th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Well I'm sure that alredy have been a lot of threads similar or the same as this one but I want to know if do you think if Venus and Serena can ever be back at their best.

I will be honest I don't like any of them I think they are too arrogants but lets face it if tennis is what is now is because of them they raise the level of tennis with their amazing power they were dominating 'cos nobody could reach them but now............................... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they are worring more for the fame than for the game.

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Arrogant :lol:

Anyway, yes of course they can.

Viktymise
May 9th, 2006, 05:23 PM
yes definatley, if thet both decided that tennis was everything to them again it would be no problem, its much more likely this will happen to vee the way things are going these days but the Williams sisters are the most unpredictable ever in terms of when everyone writes them off they just come back stronger and better than before and they have done this time and time again and it would be great if they did it again

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 05:25 PM
I don't think they'll ever dominate like they did before. Just too many big hitters today, plus they're not getting any younger so injuries will continue to be a factor. I think they can each win a couple more slams, esp. Serena.

tennisrox
May 9th, 2006, 05:25 PM
I seriously doubt they'll get back to their best again. Serena's knee has taken a hammering, and Venus can't play two tournaments without getting injured. She seemed to have improved her forehand last year, but now its back to square one again. Venus will still compete at the top, but their era is over. Their game is all about athleticism. Serena will never be as fast as she once was, and Venus is past her physical prime too. Big hitting alone is not enough. There are too many who can match them for power now.

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 05:29 PM
I don't think they'll ever dominate like they did before. Just too many big hitters today, plus they're not getting any younger so injuries will continue to be a factor. I think they can each win a couple more slams, esp. Serena.
The question doesn't ask if they will dominate, but can they get back at their best.

winone23
May 9th, 2006, 05:29 PM
Yes! The sisters are going to comeback.

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 05:33 PM
I seriously doubt they'll get back to their best again. Serena's knee has taken a hammering, and Venus can't play two tournaments without getting injured. She seemed to have improved her forehand last year, but now its back to square one again. Venus will still compete at the top, but their era is over. Their game is all about athleticism. Serena will never be as fast as she once was, and Venus is past her physical prime too. Big hitting alone is not enough. There are too many who can match them for power now.
:lol: Past their prime at 24 and 25 years old?? :confused: What do you mean their era is over? Have they left the game? Didn't they both win two of the grand slams last year? Man, what does that say about the rest of the field if their era is over and they win two of last years grand slams? Everyone has injury problems, Kim, Amelie, Lindsay, Justine, Maria, etc. Is their era over too? You're ridiculous. :lol:

darrinbaker00
May 9th, 2006, 05:34 PM
CAN Venus and Serena ever get back to the top? Yes, and I still believe that their best tennis is yet to come. WILL Venus and Serena ever get back to the top? I have no idea, but I would love to see them try.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 05:35 PM
The question doesn't ask if they will dominate, but can they get back at their best.
When they were at their best they dominated, n'est-ce pas? :p

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 05:37 PM
When they were at their best they dominated, n'est-ce pas? :p
Yes, but the field was different, n'est ce pas?

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 05:37 PM
Yes.

Venus will be back at her best this year.
Serena will be back at her best next year.

And at their best the Williams Sisters can
dominate where it matters most, in the Slams.

tennisrox
May 9th, 2006, 05:43 PM
:lol: Past their prime at 24 and 25 years old?? :confused: What do you mean their era is over? Have they left the game? Didn't they both win two of the grand slams last year? Man, what does that say about the rest of the field if their era is over and they win two of last years grand slams? Everyone has injury problems, Kim, Amelie, Lindsay, Justine, Maria, etc. Is their era over too? You're ridiculous. :lol:

The rest of the tour actually play a busy schedule. The williams sisters barely play. There is no excuse for the number, and frequency of injuries sustained for two players who are supposed to be at their 'physical peak'.
What is so ridiculous about what I said? 24 year old serena has taken TWO YEARS to recover from a knee surgery. She was suffering from inflammation of the knee after playing two matches in hong-kong. Her movement at the AO was abysmal, especially if you compare it with last year. What's more, she's overweight and putting extra strain on an already damaged joint. Her game depends on speed. Without it, she isn't going to be beating up on the tour again. She is past her prime. Ordinarily, 24 is way too young to say a tennis player is past her prime, but in Serena's case considering the nature of her injury and her style of play, it is justified. I'd be shocked to death if she wins another slam. Heck, i'll eat my socks.
Venus is not the player she once was either. I think she has more left than Serena, and she will continue to compete at the top, but she too is past her physical prime. That forehand is breaking down again...

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 05:46 PM
I seem to recall many folks saying the
same about Venus ever winning a Slam
again after going almost 4 years w/o one.

I don't know about others, but I love
it when Venus is dismissed by detractors
and then watch them eat it when she kicks ass. :cool:

tennisrox
May 9th, 2006, 05:48 PM
I seem to recall many folks saying the
same about Venus ever winning a Slam
again after going almost 4 years w/o one.

I won't be surprised to see Venus win another slam.
I will however be amazed if serena does. But its not going to happen.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 05:48 PM
Yes, but the field was different, n'est ce pas?
Not really, the Belgians, Davenport. Capriati probably gone, but now we have Sharapova.

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 05:56 PM
I will however be amazed if serena does. But its not going to happen.

:haha:
You actually believe that?

With: 1.Health & 2.Desire

Serena is bank!


I think both will come back around for Serena
and she will win more Slams. That, I have no doubt about.

tennisrox
May 9th, 2006, 06:03 PM
:haha:
You actually believe that?

With: 1.Health & 2.Desire

Exactly. Health is the operative word here. Without that, all the desire in the world is not going to help. Health is just what serena doesn't have anymore. Which is why i'm sure she won't win another slam. Not with such a badly damaged knee joint.

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Exactly. Health is the operative word here. Without that, all the desire in the world is not going to help. Health is just what serena doesn't have anymore. Which is why i'm sure she won't win another slam. Not with such a badly damaged knee joint.

Health is the operative word across the
spectrum in women's tennis today.

No one knows how bad Serena's knee is because of the extra weight
she's been carrying since the 05' Aussie Open and how much of a
factor it has played in the health of her knee.

Therefore, no one can say with any amount of certainty that
she cannot and will not win another Slam because of it.

When Serena comes back "in shape" and plays, then we will truly
get a sense of what her knee is like and if it can hold up over
a long enough period to win a Slam.

As we've seen Serena is one of the few players
who can win titles right off an injury. Ala Miami
04' and reaching the Wimbly final.


Yet regardless, these questions are nothing new as they've
been questioned and doubted since they came onto
the tour.

drake3781
May 9th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Of course they can! And I hope so!! It's great getting to see them play well. But they need to be focused on tennis and not the celebrity life. Anyone thinking yes but they don't need to be focused...:confused:

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Not really, the Belgians, Davenport. Capriati probably gone, but now we have Sharapova.
We also have Petrova, Ivanovic, Kuznestova, the Chinese contingent, Mirza, etc. It's not the same field. I'm not saying that they won't dominate at their best, because I think they will, but it still wasn't the question of the thread. :shrug:

QUEENLINDSAY
May 9th, 2006, 06:56 PM
YES they can! but the real question is, can they add more to contend more?

Denise4925
May 9th, 2006, 07:11 PM
The rest of the tour actually play a busy schedule. The williams sisters barely play. There is no excuse for the number, and frequency of injuries sustained for two players who are supposed to be at their 'physical peak'.
What is so ridiculous about what I said? 24 year old serena has taken TWO YEARS to recover from a knee surgery. She was suffering from inflammation of the knee after playing two matches in hong-kong. Her movement at the AO was abysmal, especially if you compare it with last year. What's more, she's overweight and putting extra strain on an already damaged joint. Her game depends on speed. Without it, she isn't going to be beating up on the tour again. She is past her prime. Ordinarily, 24 is way too young to say a tennis player is past her prime, but in Serena's case considering the nature of her injury and her style of play, it is justified. I'd be shocked to death if she wins another slam. Heck, i'll eat my socks.
Venus is not the player she once was either. I think she has more left than Serena, and she will continue to compete at the top, but she too is past her physical prime. That forehand is breaking down again...

What does the rest of the field playing a busy schedule have to do with anything. An injury is an injury, whether you play a busy schedule or not. The WTA is riddled with injuries. I'm not trying to give an excuse for any injury that the WS have sustained, but I know that they have chronic injuries they sustained when they played a full schedule in 2002-03, i.e. Serena's knee and Venus' tendonitis. What excuse shall we give Kim, Justine, Amelie, Maria and Lindsay for being at their physical peak and their injuries? Because they play a full schedule? :retard: Are you saying if the sisters played more, they'd have an excuse for the injuries they have? :confused:

Yes, Serena has taken two years to recover from knee surgery and in that time, she's won Miami, been in the final of Wimbledon and won a grand slam title.

Are you a doctor and if so, have you examined Serena to know the extent of her injury and what is aggravating it? Do you know exactly what the nature is of her knee injury? You act like its impossible for her to lose weight and rehabilitate that knee. Also, I beg to differ on her game depending on speed. Serena at her best is not a defensive player. She dictates play from the center of the court. Her opponents had a hard time hitting winners against her because she was fast enough to chase down a lot of balls, but she is an offensive player, therefore her game is dependant upon how great her shots and angles are.

When she wins her 6th slam will you be eating your socks regular or al dente? :p And, please include me on the guest list of your funeral when you die of shock after eating your socks. :lol:

Regarding Venus, you must not think much of the rest of the WTA if a player past her prime can still compete at the top. :rolleyes:

harloo
May 9th, 2006, 08:23 PM
I think many fans and players on the WTA are happy that Venus and Serena aren't at their full potential. In the back of everyone's mind the thought of these two sisters playing outstanding tennis consistently is trouble for the tour. I really have no doubt in my mind that if the sisters focused on tennis completely they would trample most of the pretenders. Yep I said it!!!

davidmario
May 9th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Always the same question.

Can the thread-starters ever gain a brian, or will they keep on living on their dumbness?

SAEKeithSerena
May 9th, 2006, 09:49 PM
The question doesn't ask if they will dominate, but can they get back at their best.

exactly. they will be back and ready. venus is already back, and had good results last week.

Diesel
May 10th, 2006, 02:54 AM
Well I'm sure that alredy have been a lot of threads similar or the same as this one but I want to know if do you think if Venus and Serena can ever be back at their best.

I will be honest I don't like any of them I think they are too arrogants but lets face it if tennis is what is now is because of them they raise the level of tennis with their amazing power they were dominating 'cos nobody could reach them but now............................... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: they are worring more for the fame than for the game.

Well isn't this a trip. You and others like you hate these arrogant sisters, but you can't take tennis without them. It's always been like this from the beginning. Two sisters 'not knowing their place' while everyone else can run wild with what... confidence? They win too much, don't play pretty and dainty like, but now that they aren't here, tennis sure nuff needs them. Arrogance and all :rolleyes:

tennisboi
May 10th, 2006, 03:46 AM
There is a thread like this every week:rolleyes: IMO Venus has a better chance even though Serena is clearly the better player but I can see both women getting more injuries in the furtue e.g. I can see Venus getting a bad elbow inury and Serena a serious shoulder injury but injuries or no injuries the decision is in their hands

Wiggly
May 10th, 2006, 04:10 AM
The can but they will not.
They definetely wins more GS but not like WS finals every tournament. Like one of them will win a GS by year (Wimbledon or US Open).

MH0861
May 10th, 2006, 04:13 AM
I think with proper motivation, they definitely can be. I think we all know Serena Williams wasn't at her "best" form in Australia 2005, and look what happened - she wins the title anyway.

Venus showed some of her old form at Wimbledon last year as well, so I have no doubt in my mind they can get back to their old standard of play at some point. I just think the hunger (and health) needs to come first.

Lulu.
May 10th, 2006, 05:23 AM
Yes they can... But they dont have to be at their best to win esp. Serena :)

Lulu.
May 10th, 2006, 05:33 AM
I think many fans and players on the WTA are happy that Venus and Serena aren't at their full potential. In the back of everyone's mind the thought of these two sisters playing outstanding tennis consistently is trouble for the tour. I really have no doubt in my mind that if the sisters focused on tennis completely they would trample most of the pretenders. Yep I said it!!!




That is so true. Thats why there are so many threads like this about Vee and Rena. And you gotta know the other players on the WTA tour are happy they dont have to get their asses handed to them on a regular basis

Dasha_
May 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM
Yes, they can. And I believet hat they will. There are so many more slams to be won...

Miranda
May 10th, 2006, 09:19 AM
they can, but they seem to have a lot of interest besides tennis, if they focus on tennis, i think serena would have won 10 slams by now :cool:

tennisrox
May 10th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Are you saying if the sisters played more, they'd have an excuse for the injuries they have? :confused:
What I mean is that their bodies cannot even take the stress of playing a minimal schedule. What does that tell you about their fitness levels? Do players who are at their 'physical peaks' need to take three month breaks between tournaments on such a regular basis?

Yes, Serena has taken two years to recover from knee surgery and in that time, she's won Miami, been in the final of Wimbledon and won a grand slam title.

The word here is 'chronic' knee injury. Its only in the last year that it is starting to take its toll.

Are you a doctor and if so, have you examined Serena to know the extent of her injury and what is aggravating it? Do you know exactly what the nature is of her knee injury? You act like its impossible for her to lose weight and rehabilitate that knee.
I don't need to examine her knee to know that she will never get back to her peak. A history of her condition is enough to arrive at a rough estimate.
I don't know exactly which ligament or cartilage was involved in the original injury, and whether it was an acute injury which precipitated this condition, but I do know that it has progressed to a chronic condition. A few months after the surgery, serena went against her doctors' advice and played a packed schedule, a little sooner than she was supposed to. After a few tournaments she started to complain of pain in another part of the left knee. The repaired part was apparently fine. What that tells me is that the joint is unable to take the load exherted on it, and another part of the joint was forced to compensate.
After every surgery to a joint there is a period of rehabilitation which is critical to the natural healing process. If at this time, the joint is subjected to excessive stresses, there is a high chance of the joint progressing to degenerative changes which is an irreversible process. In any case, contrary to general perception, doctors are not healers; they merely manipulate the injured part, give the body a bit of a push and wait for the natural healing process to do its job. The outcome of the operation, and its sucess depends upon the pre-operative state of the joint. The existing wear and tear to a joint cannot be reversed, only halted. Especially if the cartilage is involved (which sounds likely), it never heals and prosthetic material though effective, is not the same as its natural counterpart. So I can quite safely say that she won't reach her physical peak again, which was the question. I don't want to disillusion you, but you asked the question.
Serena's game was never built for the long haul. She's big-boned and solid. She isn't light on her feet, instead tending to land a little heavily, her footwork has always been a weakness and her gamestyle involves sudden changes of direction, not always executed smoothly and economically. All of this puts a lot of strain on the knee joint, perhaps more than it was meant for. Dedication to fitness, would have delayed the inevitable.
Looking at her recent performances, I can safely say that Serena's knee is nowhere near what it once was. She hasn't helped herself with her neglect of her fitness. When a joint is damaged it is all the more critical to strengthen the muscles supporting the joint to minimise the stress on the joint. There is a high likelihood that the injury may recur, and that can be minimised by proper strengthening.
Mauresmo despite her own knee injury, and back problems is still fit enough to play a full schedule, and looks as fleet-footed as ever. The reason why she recovered so well was that Mauresmo was freakishly dedicated to her fitness. Besides, after the back injury, the injury didn't heal completely; she changed her service action. There are many injuries that can't be treated effectively. You just have to hope that it doesn't really inhibit a players game too much. Serena is a natural athlete, and by her own admission she hates to train. She has no-one to blame but herself. Even now, Serena can lose weight, and work hard on her fitness. Can she get her original speed back? No.

Also, I beg to differ on her game depending on speed. Serena at her best is not a defensive player. She dictates play from the center of the court. Her opponents had a hard time hitting winners against her because she was fast enough to chase down a lot of balls, but she is an offensive player, therefore her game is dependant upon how great her shots and angles are.
If that was indeed the case, and Serena could command the centre of the court and hit winners ala Davenport, then she would not have been pushed on the defensive by Na Li so frequently. Neither would she have lost to Hantuchova, Sun, or any of those players. Serena's agression is so effective, because its foundation is a brilliant defensive game. Her serve, and fighting spirit are still huge weapons, but without the speed Serena is not the same player. She doesn't have davenport's footwork, consistency, and solidity off the ground. Her main weapon is speed, and power. Right now there are plenty of players with power. Not many with speed, but serena doesn't have that either now. Just 'wanting to dominate' is not enough. Every tennis player has a limited timeframe during which they are at their peak. Its here today, gone tomorrow. Taking ones athletic gifts for granted is just asking for trouble.

My socks are safe.

Regarding Venus, you must not think much of the rest of the WTA if a player past her prime can still compete at the top. :rolleyes:

Actually its a mark of respect for Venus. With her speed, power, and brilliant defence she doesn't need to be the venus of old to compete. As for winning, she won't steamroll the tour again, but I would never count her out.

Denise4925
May 10th, 2006, 11:55 PM
What I mean is that their bodies cannot even take the stress of playing a minimal schedule. What does that tell you about their fitness levels? Do players who are at their 'physical peaks' need to take three month breaks between tournaments on such a regular basis?


The word here is 'chronic' knee injury. Its only in the last year that it is starting to take its toll.

I don't need to examine her knee to know that she will never get back to her peak. A history of her condition is enough to arrive at a rough estimate.
I don't know exactly which ligament or cartilage was involved in the original injury, and whether it was an acute injury which precipitated this condition, but I do know that it has progressed to a chronic condition. A few months after the surgery, serena went against her doctors' advice and played a packed schedule, a little sooner than she was supposed to. After a few tournaments she started to complain of pain in another part of the left knee. The repaired part was apparently fine. What that tells me is that the joint is unable to take the load exherted on it, and another part of the joint was forced to compensate.
After every surgery to a joint there is a period of rehabilitation which is critical to the natural healing process. If at this time, the joint is subjected to excessive stresses, there is a high chance of the joint progressing to degenerative changes which is an irreversible process. In any case, contrary to general perception, doctors are not healers; they merely manipulate the injured part, give the body a bit of a push and wait for the natural healing process to do its job. The outcome of the operation, and its sucess depends upon the pre-operative state of the joint. The existing wear and tear to a joint cannot be reversed, only halted. Especially if the cartilage is involved (which sounds likely), it never heals and prosthetic material though effective, is not the same as its natural counterpart. So I can quite safely say that she won't reach her physical peak again, which was the question. I don't want to disillusion you, but you asked the question.
Serena's game was never built for the long haul. She's big-boned and solid. She isn't light on her feet, instead tending to land a little heavily, her footwork has always been a weakness and her gamestyle involves sudden changes of direction, not always executed smoothly and economically. All of this puts a lot of strain on the knee joint, perhaps more than it was meant for. Dedication to fitness, would have delayed the inevitable.
Looking at her recent performances, I can safely say that Serena's knee is nowhere near what it once was. She hasn't helped herself with her neglect of her fitness. When a joint is damaged it is all the more critical to strengthen the muscles supporting the joint to minimise the stress on the joint. There is a high likelihood that the injury may recur, and that can be minimised by proper strengthening.
Mauresmo despite her own knee injury, and back problems is still fit enough to play a full schedule, and looks as fleet-footed as ever. The reason why she recovered so well was that Mauresmo was freakishly dedicated to her fitness. Besides, after the back injury, the injury didn't heal completely; she changed her service action. There are many injuries that can't be treated effectively. You just have to hope that it doesn't really inhibit a players game too much. Serena is a natural athlete, and by her own admission she hates to train. She has no-one to blame but herself. Even now, Serena can lose weight, and work hard on her fitness. Can she get her original speed back? No.

If that was indeed the case, and Serena could command the centre of the court and hit winners ala Davenport, then she would not have been pushed on the defensive by Na Li so frequently. Neither would she have lost to Hantuchova, Sun, or any of those players. Serena's agression is so effective, because its foundation is a brilliant defensive game. Her serve, and fighting spirit are still huge weapons, but without the speed Serena is not the same player. She doesn't have davenport's footwork, consistency, and solidity off the ground. Her main weapon is speed, and power. Right now there are plenty of players with power. Not many with speed, but serena doesn't have that either now. Just 'wanting to dominate' is not enough. Every tennis player has a limited timeframe during which they are at their peak. Its here today, gone tomorrow. Taking ones athletic gifts for granted is just asking for trouble.

My socks are safe.


Actually its a mark of respect for Venus. With her speed, power, and brilliant defence she doesn't need to be the venus of old to compete. As for winning, she won't steamroll the tour again, but I would never count her out.
I appreciate and respect the fact that you took the time to answer in such detail, however it's all still just speculation and opinion. Nothing you've said here constitutes fact that you can validate with proof.

Also, you don't state whether you're a doctor or not and I don't want to assume anything. However, I've never met a doctor who would give a prognosis without knowing the diagnosis, which is exactly what you've done in Serena's case. So, I think you've wasted your time there.

I think the only one disillusioned here is you if you think that Serena will never win another slam. So, needless to say, don't buy any more socks.

Regarding Venus, you contradict yourself or maybe we define past your prime differently. In my opinion, past your prime means you can no longer compete on the same level as everyone else. Whether she's Venus of old or not, if she's still competing and winning, she's not past her prime. Dominating is a different story, but I wouldn't rule that out either for neither Venus or Serena.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 11th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Ok...enough of all of this non-sense. People that think Venus and Serena will never win slams are nothing more than just ignorant haters that want to just kick them when they're down, because when Venus are Serena were up, they were KILLING their faves. They have injuries, yeah well so does the rest of the tour. Their sister was MURDERED, I don't really think anyone else on the WTA can say that (if they can, I send my condolances). There are children in the balance that they now care for, albeit in a less primary role, but one nonetheless. Tennis is not their life, they've never made any bones about that, and even then, they still dominated. Yeah, they don't play as much, that's what makes their careers so special. Serena has 2 more slams as a player who has played almost twice as many matches as her (Hingis). They are very capable of being at their best again, but there are lot of other things going on with them right now. Serena's injured, Venus and Serena are finishing school, etc. I mean, it could be more than that. Who are we to sit and criticize the way they live their lives. If anyone watched Venus' acceptance speech at the 2005 Glamour Awards, she said that she and her sister are going to LIVE THEIR LIVES. If that includes asceding back to the top of a sport THEY REVOLUTIONIZED, the so be it. If not, ok, but COME ON, let it go. The only reason people start threads like this is so they can get a timetable of how long their fave can continue to win big titles, because when Venus and Serena come back, only some of the Tier II and all of the other lower titles will be up for grabs!

Let it go, just wait and see....I think they will get back to their best. Like Hingis, Davenport, Agassi, etc,.....after reaching the top, why would you play anymore if you didn't think you could reach the top?

Randy John Andy
May 11th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Can the Williams sisters be back at their best? Yes, why not? Theyíre really talented, theyíre experienced, they have what it takes to be a Grand Slam winner, a number one, a true champion, therefore, I think they can.

Will they? I have no answers for that. It depends on their bodies, I think. If they could stay injury free for a year, Iím sure they could be back at their best. But their bodies donít seem to respond properly.

Anyway, look at what Mary did last year, at 30. I think she played the best tennis of her career, so letís stay positive. Whether you are a Williams sistersí fan or not, I think we all agree that it was fantastic to see them playing such a terrific tennis, and it would be great to see them reach that level again. °Saludos!

GogoGirl
May 11th, 2006, 01:24 AM
All,

I agree Denise. I called it over a year ago that Serena was still suffering w/her knee. The knee operation is really a tricky one. Just like in a hip replacement - a knee op for some will never come back straight the way it was before there was a problem to begin with. I mentioned before that i thought she played tenatively for most of last year. How would any of us feel if we knew that in our minds and hearts that we didn't feel comfortable going all out on a bum knee. Surely two of the first signs for her was that it swoll up at times and it throbbed w/nagging pain. What would that tell anyone w/an ounce of feeling and.............................? The aforementioned is why Marat didn't want to have the op.

I don't blame her for PROTECTING her knee.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 11th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Can the Williams sisters be back at their best? Yes, why not? Theyíre really talented, theyíre experienced, they have what it takes to be a Grand Slam winner, a number one, a true champion, therefore, I think they can.

Will they? I have no answers for that. It depends on their bodies, I think. If they could stay injury free for a year, Iím sure they could be back at their best. But their bodies donít seem to respond properly.

Anyway, look at what Mary did last year, at 30. I think she played the best tennis of her career, so letís stay positive. Whether you are a Williams sistersí fan or not, I think we all agree that it was fantastic to see them playing such a terrific tennis, and it would be great to see them reach that level again. °Saludos!
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sebbe
May 11th, 2006, 01:49 AM
I think there's a bigger chance to see Venus in the top....but both of them seam to have lost focus on tennis.

sunset
May 11th, 2006, 03:04 AM
In a word. no..........

tennisrox
May 11th, 2006, 04:35 AM
I appreciate and respect the fact that you took the time to answer in such detail, however it's all still just speculation and opinion. Nothing you've said here constitutes fact that you can validate with proof.

Also, you don't state whether you're a doctor or not and I don't want to assume anything. However, I've never met a doctor who would give a prognosis without knowing the diagnosis, which is exactly what you've done in Serena's case. So, I think you've wasted your time there.
You are right. It is speculation, but not baseless speculation. And yes, I am a doc but not an orthopaedician, but we all have enough experience, and knowledge of the different fields to form basic opinions about common cases. A large part of medicine is based on common sense and speculation (exploratory surgeries for example), and any doctor who is entirely dependant on a scan to form ideas hasn't learnt much. Every case starts with a provisional diagnosis based on a history. Investigations, and examination generally only helps you narrow down and confirm. If Serena was my patient, even if I had an idea of her prognosis I would say nothing without confirming it, because of professional ethics. But I have nothing to do with her, I owe her nothing, and I was asked to defend my opinion as a tennis fan, so I gave my opinion using my professional knowledge. Most of what I said is not specific, and is based on the general pathology of joint injuries, which can be applied to serena's or anyone's case. Injury and healing, anywhere in the body is governed by the same principles. Besides, I am not going to get sued for an opinion on a message board.
You can classify diseases into several types, and there is a general idea of the prognosis. The diagnosis here, is a chronic knee condition and of all the chronic knee conditions none carry a good prognosis. Based on what i've seen of her game, and the recent history of her problems, and lifestyle I can arrive at a general idea of what is happening with her knee. And the fact of the matter is that except for a few conditions like an acute Anterior Cruciate Ligament tear rehabilitated well, the knee can never return to its original condition, although it can be brought back to a reasonable state. Even if the original injury was such an injury (and I believe the original surgery was quite successful), the story now is very different.

Regarding Venus, you contradict yourself or maybe we define past your prime differently. In my opinion, past your prime means you can no longer compete on the same level as everyone else. Whether she's Venus of old or not, if she's still competing and winning, she's not past her prime. Dominating is a different story, but I wouldn't rule that out either for neither Venus or Serena.
The question here is: will they get back to their best. I don't think so. For me, playing in one's prime means consistently being able to produce ones best tennis.
As for what I said about Serena, only time will tell. I'm not a big fan, but personally I wouldn't want to see her fade out. She is great for the game, and I want to see her compete at the top again, so I hope that she can get her knee in working order.
I'm happy to see venus back on tour, and if she puts in the effort, i'd be happy to see her win another slam.
I have no problems with their outside interests, its their business. What I dislike is this attitude of thinking that they can just turn up to beat the rest of the tour, and not putting in the effort needed because of their inherent athletic gifts. There was a time when that held good, but the game has caught up. They did revolutionalise the game, and now while the rest of the tour focuses on fitness, they take it for granted. The body is not a toy that you can just switch on and off when needed. If you don't look after it well and prepare it for competition, it will eventually let you down. The body has a shelf-life, and if you waste that time you never get it back.

Aaron.
May 11th, 2006, 04:44 AM
well i dont know...it depends on how venus does at Rome and RG and wimbledon for Serena no idea..but i hope she can come back during the US Open

Denise4925
May 11th, 2006, 05:07 PM
All,

I agree Denise. I called it over a year ago that Serena was still suffering w/her knee. The knee operation is really a tricky one. Just like in a hip replacement - a knee op for some will never come back straight the way it was before there was a problem to begin with. I mentioned before that i thought she played tenatively for most of last year. How would any of us feel if we knew that in our minds and hearts that we didn't feel comfortable going all out on a bum knee. Surely two of the first signs for her was that it swoll up at times and it throbbed w/nagging pain. What would that tell anyone w/an ounce of feeling and.............................? The aforementioned is why Marat didn't want to have the op.

I don't blame her for PROTECTING her knee.
I don't blame her for protecting her knee either. I hyperextended mine once and it still gives me trouble when I play tennis. But, to tennisrox and you Gogo, I'm not a doctor but I don't think the prognosis is as dismal is you predict. I don't think she will be as fast as she once was, but none of the other women on tour, except for Venus, Kim and Myskina come close to the quickness she once had. Also, I disagree that whole game is dependent on her speed and power.

tennisrox and I are speaking from two different perspectives, one of a non-fan who I believe hangs on to the hope that Serena won't be able to be at her best again and one of a fan who hangs on to the hope that she will. I guess we'll see what happens in the future.

tennisrox
May 11th, 2006, 05:50 PM
tennisrox and I are speaking from two different perspectives, one of a non-fan who I believe hangs on to the hope that Serena won't be able to be at her best again and one of a fan who hangs on to the hope that she will. I guess we'll see what happens in the future.
On the contrary I am a non-fan who wants to see Serena at her best, to see if the tour really has caught up with her. Heck, when she plays maria S I support serena every time, and despite her arrogance I basically like her as a person. I have nothing against serena personally, and I would never hope for her or anyone to fade. I just dislike all this hypothetical and unrealistic talk about how serena just has to turn up to whack the crap out of everyone, and the way that some people seem to think that the sisters are bigger than the game. It doesn't do justice to the rest of the girls who are playing well right now. Just because she was the best at one time, it doesn't mean that she would dominate throughout her career.
I don't like to see great players slip into oblivion, and having a career cut short through injury, and worst of all through negligence is not something that any tennis fan wants. I just happen to be a little more pessimistic about her chances, because of my background, and the fact that I don't think her groundies are solid enough to support a pure agressive game. Time will tell.

Denise4925
May 11th, 2006, 06:04 PM
On the contrary I am a non-fan who wants to see Serena at her best, to see if the tour really has caught up with her. Heck, when she plays maria S I support serena every time, and despite her arrogance I basically like her as a person. I have nothing against serena personally, and I would never hope for her or anyone to fade. I just dislike all this hypothetical and unrealistic talk about how serena just has to turn up to whack the crap out of everyone, and the way that some people seem to think that the sisters are bigger than the game. It doesn't do justice to the rest of the girls who are playing well right now. Just because she was the best at one time, it doesn't mean that she would dominate throughout her career.
I don't like to see great players slip into oblivion, and having a career cut short through injury, and worst of all through negligence is not something that any tennis fan wants. I just happen to be a little more pessimistic about her chances, because of my background, and the fact that I don't think her groundies are solid enough to support a pure agressive game. Time will tell.

Sounds pretty biased to me. :wavey:

tennisrox
May 11th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Are you telling me that serena is not arrogant, is not negligent about her fitness, is still whacking the crap out of the tour by turning up, has solid footwork, and a solid forehand? Sounds pretty biased to me.

Denise4925
May 11th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Are you telling me that serena is not arrogant, is not negligent about her fitness, is still whacking the crap out of the tour by turning up, has solid footwork, and a solid forehand? Sounds pretty biased to me.
I certainly don't think she's arrogant. No more so than any other champion tennis player, such as Hingis or Maria. I consider it to be confidence and refusal to conform to standards set by others. I don't think she has been intentionally negligent about her fitness. That and your other accusations about her all boil down to her injuries. Notwithstanding said injury, she would be fit, she'd whack the crap out of the tour by turning up (ala AO '05), and she would have solid footwork and groundstrokes (ala 2001-2004). And, I'm glad to see you admit your bias. :)

Light-skinned Girl
May 12th, 2006, 12:54 PM
they need to be focused on tennis

It is that simple.

Paneru
May 12th, 2006, 01:00 PM
well i dont know...it depends on how venus does at Rome and RG and wimbledon for Serena no idea..but i hope she can come back during the US Open

It wouldn't matter if Venus won all three of those
events, you'd still have people here dogging her.

Truth.

Her match against Sharapova saw her moving the best
I think she ever has and her forehand being as solid as
I've personally seen it. You still had people trying
to tear her down, so it really doesn't matter.

I say, let 'em talk while Venus is off
actually playing and winning the titles.

Sounds like an even trade-off to me. :cool:

So Disrespectful
May 12th, 2006, 01:34 PM
Well, it's possible, but they'd both have to practice for at least 5 minutes a week.