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The Pro
May 9th, 2006, 04:10 PM
She hasn't topped one of them since the Aussia Open in 2001 (where she took 2 out), do you think she'll ever do it again?

I think a mental complex may have set in, she had a poor Venus on the ropes last week and blew it :sad:

Also, is that Russian girl's surname pronounced Chak vet at-say? :confused:

LeonHart
May 9th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Chak-vet-dat-say I think

And...Hingis needs way more confidence if she wants to win against the williams sister again. In her match against Venus she was barely going for the lines, rather she was playing it safe hoping for Venus to make the mistakes. She needs to play to win! Not play and hope her opponents lose :cry:

Venus was very crippled in the 3rd set, sometimes hardly being able to walk...yet Martina doesn't use her drop shots or move Venus around the court much, only hitting high loopy balls, it was quite sad :o

Aquanetta
May 9th, 2006, 04:17 PM
Yes. It was only one meeting and besides, she's already beaten Davenport and Sharapova since her return to the tour. Serena and Venus may still dominate her but that doesn't mean that Hingis won't defeat at some point in the future.

darrinbaker00
May 9th, 2006, 04:27 PM
I can say with a fair amount of confidence that Martina Hingis cannot beat Serena Williams right now. ;)

PLP
May 9th, 2006, 04:28 PM
Absolutely, and vice-versa, they are great rivals>P

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Of course she can, she needs more confidence though.

Viktymise
May 9th, 2006, 04:38 PM
She can beat Serena in her current state but not Venus

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Can she? Sure.
Will she? Only time will tell.

Just_lindsay
May 9th, 2006, 04:47 PM
If Pironkova, Sun, Jidkova, Raymond, Craybas, Golovin, Farina Elia, Schiavone and Hantuchova can do it... why not Hingis? :confused:

Drake1980
May 9th, 2006, 04:57 PM
she sure can, and will!!

jj74
May 9th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Well she only plays 1 match against then till her return and it was a very close match. She got geme to beat anyone, but the problem is that the williams sisters never give up and keep fighting till the end and Martina has some problems to end her matches

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Well she only plays 1 match against then till her return and it was a very close match. She got geme to beat anyone, but the problem is that the williams sisters never give up and keep fighting till the end and Martina has some problems to end her matches

True.

And that became a certain fact when Martina
stated after that she was hoping Venus would miss.

The Sisters will always miss but will make many of those
shots as well and unless one goes after them, they'll always
come up short.

Martina needs a change of mentality.
Not to mention, working on that serve.

Wheather you call it simply confidence or
arrogance, both Venus & Serena have it in spades!

TonyP
May 9th, 2006, 05:40 PM
How could Venus be crippled and barely able to walk and on the very next day, play another match, lose and say her legs were giving her absolutely no problems?

Martian Mel
May 9th, 2006, 05:42 PM
Ofcourse she can, and she will :bounce:

Andrew..
May 9th, 2006, 05:47 PM
Martina's issues with Venus right now are clearly all mental. If she could get beyond that, then she could be beating her.

In Serena's current form, alot of players could probably beat her, Martina included.

The Pro
May 9th, 2006, 05:47 PM
oh what the hell, course she will :banana:

Paneru
May 9th, 2006, 05:54 PM
How could Venus be crippled and barely able to walk and on the very next day, play another match, lose and say her legs were giving her absolutely no problems?

Maybe posters using the word
"crippled" is an exaggertaion, every think?

Just because she was cramping badly on day
doesn't mean that 24 later she'd still be feeling
any effects from it.

samn
May 9th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Depends. How many players on the WTA Tour have a brother named William?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist it when I saw the use of an apostrophe in "William's sister". :))

Infiniti2001
May 9th, 2006, 06:01 PM
How could Venus be crippled and barely able to walk and on the very next day, play another match, lose and say her legs were giving her absolutely no problems?

One can be crippled with cramps one day, and with the help of lots of fluids, a good massage, and rest could be perfectly fine the next. :rolleyes:

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Everything is possible; however I don't think she will ;)

msharafan
May 9th, 2006, 06:30 PM
martina would bash serena off the court at the mo not liteally but you know she would beat her pretty easily. but as for venus losing to a rusty venus says it all really...

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 06:37 PM
martina would bash serena off the court at the mo not liteally but you know she would beat her pretty easily. but as for venus losing to a rusty venus says it all really...
Just shut up :rolleyes: :tape:

Craigy
May 9th, 2006, 06:40 PM
How do you know that Martina would "bash" Serena off the court. Nobody knows Serena's current form, or are you people always around serena and know what her form is like?

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 06:41 PM
How do you know that Martina would "bash" Serena off the court. Nobody knows Serena's current form, or are you people always around serena and know what her form is like?
:rolleyes: Don't listen to that kid! He also said that Hingis would trash Venus ;) :fiery: :sad:

hingis-seles
May 9th, 2006, 06:51 PM
GO QUEEN VEE YOU FEARLESS WIMBLEDON WOMEN!!!~~ :retard:

Okay, now that we've gotten the regular crap that always fills any Hingis-Williams thread out of the way, yes she has the capability to defeat either sister in the future.

Craigy
May 9th, 2006, 06:51 PM
:rolleyes: Don't listen to that kid! He also said that Hingis would trash Venus ;) :fiery: :sad:
Did I? Well I don't even remember that, but I don't care if I did. And if you really were a Serena fan you'd agree with me as I'm standing up for serena :retard:

^bibi^
May 9th, 2006, 06:53 PM
The only reason why Martin couldn't win against them again would be to not meet them again ...

K.U.C.W-R.V
May 9th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Of course she can.

neptuneslims
May 10th, 2006, 09:53 AM
I agree... she can still beat them.

kristen
May 10th, 2006, 11:48 AM
why not

alfajeffster
May 10th, 2006, 11:56 AM
I'd sure like to see a Hingis/Venus first round match at Roland Garros- you know, the surface where Venus excels and Martina never did much of anything...:rolleyes:

jenny161185
May 10th, 2006, 12:14 PM
i think she can yes

October
May 10th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Ya surely she will register wins on them, as she used to do in past.

vwfan
May 10th, 2006, 01:11 PM
How could Venus be crippled and barely able to walk and on the very next day, play another match, lose and say her legs were giving her absolutely no problems?It's called cramps. Have you ever had cramps that last for 18 hours? She got hydrated, rested, and moved them and she was able to run the next day.

vwfan
May 10th, 2006, 01:13 PM
She hasn't topped one of them since the Aussia Open in 2001 (where she took 2 out), do you think she'll ever do it again?
No.

spencercarlos
May 10th, 2006, 01:29 PM
No.
impossible these days to play both sisters on the same event :lol: they are hardly playing this year..
As far for this topic, Hingis was just two points from beating Venus in the second set, all of this when Venus had not cramped yet.

Amazing after 4 years away from competitve tennis, and only 1 match on the surface in 4 years, she is almost beating Venus already.
Sure that match was a horrible unforced error fest, especially the third set.
At this point we can only hope these two produce similar epic battles like they used to give us. No matter who the winner is in the end.

Infiniti2001
May 10th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Amazing after 4 years away from competitve tennis, and only 1 match on the surface in 4 years, she is almost beating Venus already.

Before the match the majority on the board picked her to win simply because of her stellar record on the surface :shrug: Having not played on it for 4years is no excuse if you asked me and in the end almost never counts :lol: You keep saying that she hasn't played competitive tennis for 4 years, yet she has actually played more that Venus in the last 4 months :rolleyes:

Martian KC
May 10th, 2006, 02:23 PM
Before the match the majority on the board picked her to win simply because of her stellar record on the surface :shrug: Having not played on it for 4years is no excuse if you asked me and in the end almost never counts :lol: You keep saying that she hasn't played competitive tennis for 4 years, yet she has actually played more that Venus in the last 4 months :rolleyes:

That doesn't mean she's as match tough as venus yet. :confused:

spencercarlos
May 10th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Before the match the majority on the board picked her to win simply because of her stellar record on the surface :shrug: Having not played on it for 4years is no excuse if you asked me and in the end almost never counts :lol: You keep saying that she hasn't played competitive tennis for 4 years, yet she has actually played more that Venus in the last 4 months :rolleyes:
This is one of the most stupid posts ever. Reasoning and double standards related :rolleyes:
Actually for Hingis is not excuse not having played for 4 years. :rolleyes:

Before the match the majority on the board picked her to win simply because of her stellar record on the surface :shrug: Having not played on it for 4years is no excuse if you asked me and in the end almost never counts :lol: You keep saying that she hasn't played competitive tennis for 4 years, yet she has actually played more that Venus in the last 4 months :rolleyes:
But for Venus is a great excuse not having played much in 4 months in comparisson to Hingis(which actually is 3 months since Hingis just took a month off before returning in Warsaw) :lol:
:rolleyes:
Thanks Infinity for remmembering me why i had you on ignore :wavey:

BTW no matter how off matches Venus has been it should be no question who the much more acomplished played on the surface (clay) has been for the last 4,6,2 years no matter which time frame you take. And who the favorite player is if they meet. :tape:

So stop it, Venus did not upset the higher ranked/favorite Hingis she just beat the 24th ranked player. Who had not played regular competitve tennis in 4 years, in just her second match on clay in 4 years. :wavey:

LoveFifteen
May 10th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Martina will definitely beat the Williams sisters again if they start playing regularly again.

le bon vivant
May 10th, 2006, 04:08 PM
LOL! Did you see how Venus was fighting in Warsaw?
Neither one of them wants to lose to Hingis again - EVER.

Infiniti2001
May 10th, 2006, 04:10 PM
This is one of the most stupid posts ever. Reasoning and double standards related :rolleyes:
Actually for Hingis is not excuse not having played for 4 years. :rolleyes:


But for Venus is a great excuse not having played much in 4 months in comparisson to Hingis(which actually is 3 months since Hingis just took a month off before returning in Warsaw) :lol:
:rolleyes:
Thanks Infinity for remmembering me why i had you on ignore :wavey:

BTW no matter how off matches Venus has been it should be no question who the much more acomplished played on the surface (clay) has been for the last 4,6,2 years no matter which time frame you take. And who the favorite player is if they meet. :tape:

So stop it, Venus did not upset the higher ranked/favorite Hingis she just beat the 24th ranked player. Who had not played regular competitve tennis in 4 years, in just her second match on clay in 4 years. :wavey:

Can someone please decipher this PLEASE ?? :shrug: :haha: Meanwhile I am on ignore yet you choose to respond LMFAO :lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
May 10th, 2006, 04:12 PM
LOL! Did you see how Venus was fighting in Warsaw?
Neither one of them wants to lose to Hingis again - EVER.

So i guess tennis is very, very important to them afterall :devil:

spencercarlos
May 10th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Can someone please decipher this PLEASE ?? :shrug: :haha: Meanwhile I am on ignore yet you choose to respond LMFAO :lol:
HAD you on ignore..., don´t keep with the ridiculous posting please. And don´t avoid my previous post where i simply expose you as the fool that you usually are. :wavey:

Cashif
May 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM
She can and she will.. hopefully

Randy John Andy
May 10th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Why not? Martina is the smartest and most talented player out there. I’m sure she doesn’t have the physical power nor the speed the Williams sisters have, but still, she’s a terrific player. I can see she has improved her ability to respond to other player’s attacking game. She seems to me a lot more patient than before, and especially, a lot more humble.

The problem with Martina, five, four years ago, was that she couldn’t accept the mere fact that other players were able to dominate her. She would go mad, get frustrated and, in a way, refuse the challenge. Now she seems capable of fighting a lot more. Maybe she has understood that, with her guile and talent, she can be a very tricky, difficult player to beat, even for those who used to totally dominate her. So we have to wait and see.

I’m sure that, as long as she keeps on playing the way she has been playing this season, she will be a major threat, no matter who her opponent is. ¡Un saludo!

Infiniti2001
May 10th, 2006, 05:36 PM
HAD you on ignore..., don´t keep with the ridiculous posting please. And don´t avoid my previous post where i simply expose you as the fool that you usually are. :wavey:

:haha: Somebody shoot :armed: me please :rolls:

Diesel
May 10th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Absolutely not.

Nickk
May 10th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Never ever will they lose to Hingis again.

They have learned so much over the years and they would much rather die than lose to Martina.

After all, they're simply a lot better than the "Swiss Miss" (which is the silliest nickname I can think of, btw).

borisy
May 10th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Unlikely given that sisters play 2 matches per year.

vwfan
May 10th, 2006, 10:36 PM
impossible these days to play both sisters on the same event :lol: they are hardly playing this year..
As far for this topic, Hingis was just two points from beating Venus in the second set, all of this when Venus had not cramped yet.

Amazing after 4 years away from competitve tennis, and only 1 match on the surface in 4 years, she is almost beating Venus already.
Sure that match was a horrible unforced error fest, especially the third set.
At this point we can only hope these two produce similar epic battles like they used to give us. No matter who the winner is in the end.And the answer is still No!

vwfan
May 10th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Unlikely given that sisters play 2 matches per year.
As long as one of the those matches involve kicking martina's butt, it's all good with me! :lol:

Brandon85
May 10th, 2006, 10:41 PM
depends on who is playing better, and who is playing worst.

mykarma
May 10th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Why not? Martina is the smartest and most talented player out there. I’m sure she doesn’t have the physical power nor the speed the Williams sisters have, but still, she’s a terrific player. I can see she has improved her ability to respond to other player’s attacking game. She seems to me a lot more patient than before, and especially, a lot more humble.

The problem with Martina, five, four years ago, was that she couldn’t accept the mere fact that other players were able to dominate her. She would go mad, get frustrated and, in a way, refuse the challenge. Now she seems capable of fighting a lot more. Maybe she has understood that, with her guile and talent, she can be a very tricky, difficult player to beat, even for those who used to totally dominate her. So we have to wait and see.

I’m sure that, as long as she keeps on playing the way she has been playing this season, she will be a major threat, no matter who her opponent is. ¡Un saludo!
Explain to me Why you think Martina is the smartest and most talented player? :tape:

tennisboi
May 10th, 2006, 11:20 PM
IMO she can but I would say she has the best chance on a hard court she hasn't impressed me on clay this year

Mr_Molik
May 10th, 2006, 11:55 PM
i think she just missed her chance

Randy John Andy
May 11th, 2006, 12:02 AM
That is my personal opinion, and therefore, there’s nothing to explain. When I think of Martina, I think of guile and talent. When I think of Serena, I think of fighting spirit and determination. I admire both players for different reasons, as you can see.

We’re talking about whether we believe she will be able to beat the Williams sisters or not, and I do think so. Will she? I don’t know, we’ll have to wait and see.

I just hope the three of them will be healthy and fit for a long time, so we can enjoy watching them play. ¡Un saludo!

partbrit
May 11th, 2006, 01:58 AM
Yes...if she gets a service coach.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:21 AM
And the answer is still No!
Honestly is your opinion, the title of this thread CAN Hingis beat a Williams sister, Hingis showed what she is capable of doing, 2 points from beating her, not bad after all the known circunstances. Venus right now is the better player, she should route Hingis in two sets, like most of the top players have done. Hingis is not yet ready i think there is a long way to go if she wants to be a top 5 player. Until that does not happens, i don´t think Martina should beat the WS.
I think she can for sure.. but will she?

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:26 AM
And the answer is still No!
Did you actually think Martina coming back had enough to be already winning a set from Venus at this time this year? Sadly for you she did, that´s a great sign, there is a lot of room for improvement after being out for so long. Hingis still is not the player she used to be.
You were probably one of the Venus fans that claimed Hingis to have nothing to bring against the power tennis, probably a top 50 player if much, kind of comments before she cameback.
I very happy she has made many people eat their words :devil: :worship:

PatrickRyan
May 11th, 2006, 02:29 AM
of course martina could beat a unhealthy serena, but if serena is at leat 75% she couldn't beat her. And venus already proved martina can't beat her again.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:33 AM
of course martina could beat a unhealthy serena, but if serena is at leat 75% she couldn't beat her. And venus already proved martina can't beat her again.
Sure!
When Venus was not cramping at 6-4 5-4 30-0 Hingis showed how far she is from beating Venus poor her, its almost impossible :lol:

LoveFifteen
May 11th, 2006, 04:34 AM
Of course Hingis will beat a Williams sisters again if they play enough times. Venus has hardly ever beaten Martina easily ... and vise versa. Most of their matches were quite close.

cheo23
May 11th, 2006, 05:18 AM
Can My Bitchy Ass Martina Hingis beat a Williams Sister, Again?

YES SHE CAN...she was VERY CLOSE DEFEATING VENUS 6-4 5-4 30-0...in her 1st TOURNAMENT ON CLAY IN 4 LONG YEARS.

NEXT TIME, SHE'll BE MORE AGGRESSIVE in FINISHING VENUS OFF.

IF SERENA plays...of course Martina can DEFEAT HER

AS ALWAYS, WORK ON U're WEAK SERVE MARTINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

le bon vivant
May 11th, 2006, 05:25 AM
IF SERENA plays...of course Martina can DEFEAT HER

LMFAO

The one Hingis said herself was her toughest opponent EVER?

:lol::lol::eek::tape:

cheo23
May 11th, 2006, 05:35 AM
LMFAO

The one Hingis said herself was her toughest opponent EVER?

:lol::lol::eek::tape:
Just because she said she was TOUGHEST Opponent DOESN'T MEAN She's not gonna DO EVERYTHING IN HER POWER TO DEFEAT HER.

its a good challenge & motivation for Martina Hingis.

le bon vivant
May 11th, 2006, 05:39 AM
Just because she said she was TOUGHEST Opponent DOESN'T MEAN She's not gonna DO EVERYTHING IN HER POWER TO DEFEAT HER.

its a good challenge & motivation for Martina Hingis.

And what makes you think Serena wont do the same?
And Serena has much more at her disposal to destroy Martina Hingis than Hingis does to beat Serena.

Knizzle
May 11th, 2006, 05:40 AM
Just because she said she was TOUGHEST Opponent DOESN'T MEAN She's not gonna DO EVERYTHING IN HER POWER TO DEFEAT HER.

its a good challenge & motivation for Martina Hingis.

She should have had motivation to beat Venus the other day too right?? Why didn't she?? :confused:

Knizzle
May 11th, 2006, 05:41 AM
And what makes you think Serena wont do the same?
And Serena has much more at her disposal to destroy Martina Hingis than Hingis does to beat Serena.

Exactly. AND apparently one doesn't have to move that well to beat Hingis as Venus showed so...............

le bon vivant
May 11th, 2006, 05:42 AM
Exactly. AND apparently one doesn't have to move that well to beat Hingis as Venus showed so...............

Exactly, Venus wasn't even moving to hit return winners off of Hingis' serve. :tape::lol:

PLP
May 11th, 2006, 05:54 AM
:bounce: I just finished watching the Martina/Venus Warsaw battle and I am glad I made myself do it. It was a fully entertaing, if tense, match. Despite the fact that Hingis lost it, Venus played inexplicably well when it counted the most. But I think it showed that she does have what it takes to beat Venus, at least sometimes, she just didn't close it when she needed to. So I don't understand how anyone after seeing this thinks that Martina doesn't have a chance to beat the Wiliiams sisters :wavey: ...I just wish that Vee and Marti could play every Final against each other because it would be an awesome match every time IMO.

G~Playa
May 11th, 2006, 05:57 AM
iono.....can she?

Veritas
May 11th, 2006, 06:07 AM
She hasn't topped one of them since the Aussia Open in 2001 (where she took 2 out), do you think she'll ever do it again?

I think a mental complex may have set in, she had a poor Venus on the ropes last week and blew it :sad:

Also, is that Russian girl's surname pronounced Chak vet at-say? :confused:

I don't see why not.

The match between Martina and Venus in Warsaw could've gone either way. It was close, and Martina was up a set and a break before she loosened up a bit too soon.

Besides, it was only one match since Martina's return. Neither of them are at their peak - their games have changed a lot since 2002. Martina was probably too cautious because she might not have known what to expect from a person whom she hasn't played against in 4 years.

I'm sure Martina would not repeat the same mistakes when she's up against Venus (or Serena) the next time they clash.

SoClose
May 11th, 2006, 08:19 AM
She can.But it's very hard for her now.In this moment i think Venus are better player than Hingis.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 12:37 PM
Exactly. AND apparently one doesn't have to move that well to beat Hingis as Venus showed so...............
The end of the match was pretty much ridiculous, Hingis choked badly and everybody that saw the match knows that.
Once again when Venus was not cramping at 6-4 5-4 30-0 Hingis was on a very good position to win the match. I expect her to avoid the same mistakes of waiting for Venus to make the errors and realize that she has to be more agressive if she wants to beat her. Anyway give her time to settle down, and figure out the way she should usually play to approach the right strategy going into the matches.
Definetly she has to go for more, if Martina plays like that i think she can get some better results, and beat the top players more often.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Did you actually think Martina coming back had enough to be already winning a set from Venus at this time this year? Sadly for you she did, that´s a great sign, there is a lot of room for improvement after being out for so long. Hingis still is not the player she used to be.
You were probably one of the Venus fans that claimed Hingis to have nothing to bring against the power tennis, probably a top 50 player if much, kind of comments before she cameback.
I very happy she has made many people eat their words :devil: :worship:Wrong. I never underestimate a grand slam champion, so I was not one of the ones saying that she would not be able to hang.

That said, I am surprised that she has done as well as she has: She has beaten Maria, Davenport, taken a set off Venus, and Dementieva today. That's three top ten players she has beaten.

I don't think that she will beat Venus and Serena, because they are just better than her, but also as just Venus showed they will move heaven and earth to prevent a defeat at the hands of Hingis given all the shit she talked when they first got on tour.

She will have to really learn how to put the pressure on when they stumble, because if they have one leg to stand on, they will wreck havoc on her "wait until they make a mistake strategy," and grab victory right out of her hands.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 01:35 PM
Sure!
When Venus was not cramping at 6-4 5-4 30-0 Hingis showed how far she is from beating Venus poor her, its almost impossible
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Exactly. Now you're talking. If she can't beat a rusty Venus, on clay, leading a set and a break, and with Venus having leg cramps, when is it that she would beat her?

Timariot
May 11th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Odds are small...but only because it's difficult to beat someone who hardly ever shows up on tournaments.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Exactly. Now you're talking. If she can't beat a rusty Venus, on clay, leading a set and a break, and with Venus having leg cramps, when is it that she would beat her?
Hingis is not necesarrily (sorry the typos) in form on clay either, especially after 4 years. Playing on clay is not the same as playing and hard courts, and you should know that.
Exactly as when Henin was coming back in Sydney, after Henin was coming back from injury and layoff, so think right off the bat that Hingis would already be beating Henin already is nuts. The same when talking about Venus, how in the world you think Hingis just coming back and beating Venus inmediatly on the first meeting?
You either understimate Venus abilities as a top player or you overstimate Hingis already, despite Hingis is not near her best. When thinking Martina SHOULD have already beat Venus.
Plus Venus´s game is not exactly about being consistent and having low number of unforced errors. For example against Kim at the Usopen she had 50 unforced errors to just 20 winners, against Pironkova she had 70 something erros, and against Hingis 80 but had 53 winners for example (Some of those errors we have to take in consideration the cramps too).
Venus´s knows that if she does not go for she won´t beat Hingis.... BTW that´s the mind set that Hingis should adopt for the matches against the top players, and against WS of course.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 02:45 PM
I don't underestimate Venus. Ever!

But I do know that she describes herself as a rhythm player and needs a few matches to get into a groove, as most players do. If she meets a dangerous player or a player whose game she doesn't know early in her comeback, she can play erratic and without confidence.

In addition, her game is built around her serve and she said that she hasn't been able to practice her serve much due to her elbow strain. This match, therefore, should have slightly favored Martina.

On grass or fast hardcourts, Venus is heavily favored. On clay with almost no match play, restricted practice, she was vulnerable and Hingis couldn't exploit that vulnerability even when you throw in leg cramps. Now that is not a good sign for Hingis.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 02:57 PM
I don't underestimate Venus. Ever!

But I do know that she describes herself as a rhythm player and needs a few matches to get into a groove, as most players do. If she meets a dangerous player or a player whose game she doesn't know early in her comeback, she can play erratic and without confidence.

In addition, her game is built around her serve and she said that she hasn't been able to practice her serve much due to her elbow strain. This match, therefore, should have slightly favored Martina.

On grass or fast hardcourts, Venus is heavily favored. On clay with almost no match play, restricted practice, she was vulnerable and Hingis couldn't exploit that vulnerability even when you throw in leg cramps. Now that is not a good sign for Hingis.
Martina choked a match so what? That does not means she can´t pull a win on the following oportunities.
Venus has choked against Hingis too, that certainly can happen. Especially understanable when you are not used to competition and being away from the sport for 4 years, and playing against someone you respect a lot, like i think Hingis´s case is with the WS.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 03:00 PM
Martina choked a match so what? That does not means she can´t pull a win on the following oportunities.
Venus has choked against Hingis too, that certainly can happen. Especially understanable when you are not used to competition and being away from the sport for 4 years, and playing against someone you respect a lot, like i think Hingis´s case is with the WS.Whatever reason you assign, she didn't beat Venus when all the cards were stacked in her favor!

Call it a choke if you like, that's fine with me. Venus still notched the win.

LoveFifteen
May 11th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Venus won fair and square in Warsaw, but I am sure that Martina will beat Venus again one day. All I can hope for is a few more epic battles between these two rivals.

Infiniti2001
May 11th, 2006, 03:05 PM
Whatever reason you assign, she didn't beat Venus when all the cards were stacked in her favor!

Call it a choke if you like, that's fine with me. Venus still notched the win.

And this my friends is the bottom-line :wavey:

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Whatever reason you assign, she didn't beat Venus when all the cards were stacked in her favor!

Call it a choke if you like, that's fine with me. Venus still notched the win.
All the cards in her favor?
Martina played a bad match against Venus, 12 winners to 30 something errors, against as you said a cramping Venus. :rolleyes:
So to assume that Martina played some of her best tennis ever, Venus some of her worst and still Hingis could not win, is ridiculous, because that was not the case.
This match featured 110+ unforced errors, was hardly a good match for both.

vwfan
May 11th, 2006, 03:11 PM
All the cards in her favor?
Martina played a bad match against Venus, 12 winners to 30 something errors, against as you said a cramping Venus. :rolleyes:
So to assume that Martina played some of her best tennis ever, Venus some of her worst and still Hingis could not win, is ridiculous, because that was not the case.
This match featured 110+ unforced errors, was hardly a good match for both.Venus won! Venus won! Venus won! Venus won!

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Venus won! Venus won! Venus won! Venus won!
:rolleyes:
I thought i was establishing a nice argument with you but this stupid post is simply childish. Venus won, no idea who is telling you that did not happen, or questioning it. :rolleyes:
:wavey:

Knizzle
May 11th, 2006, 03:42 PM
The end of the match was pretty much ridiculous, Hingis choked badly and everybody that saw the match knows that.
Once again when Venus was not cramping at 6-4 5-4 30-0 Hingis was on a very good position to win the match. I expect her to avoid the same mistakes of waiting for Venus to make the errors and realize that she has to be more agressive if she wants to beat her. Anyway give her time to settle down, and figure out the way she should usually play to approach the right strategy going into the matches.
Definetly she has to go for more, if Martina plays like that i think she can get some better results, and beat the top players more often.
Carlos my friend, why in the HELL is Hingis choking in a 2r match in Warsaw??? As far as the excuse about her learning to play again, Venus had played like 3 matches in 8 months while Hingis has been pretty consistent with her play this year despite getting bad draws due to her low rank. I don't see for what reason she should have choked other than due to the opponent she was playing. So if she indeed did choke it was because she has some type of mental block against Venus and with how Serena destroyed her the last couple times they played, one could only think that the mental block would be even worse against Serena.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Carlos my friend, why in the HELL is Hingis choking in a 2r match in Warsaw??? As far as the excuse about her learning to play again, Venus had played like 3 matches in 8 months while Hingis has been pretty consistent with her play this year despite getting bad draws due to her low rank. I don't see for what reason she should have choked other than due to the opponent she was playing. So if she indeed did choke it was because she has some type of mental block against Venus and with how Serena destroyed her the last couple times they played, one could only think that the mental block would be even worse against Serena.
2nd Round Choke, because she was playing against a player she has not beaten in 5 years, last years´s Wimbledon Champion, probably also because Venus has beaten her more in their recent meetings, who knows, but she did not execute, she just waited for Venus to miss, when she should have been more agressive and exploit the cramps from Venus, and not only that she was failing to put balls in play, if that´s not choking :rolleyes:

Knizzle
May 11th, 2006, 03:56 PM
2nd Round Choke, because she was playing against a player she has not beaten in 5 years, last years´s Wimbledon Champion, probably also because Venus has beaten her more in their recent meetings, who knows, but she did not execute, she just waited for Venus to miss, when she should have been more agressive and exploit the cramps from Venus, and not only that she was failing to put balls in play, if that´s not choking :rolleyes:How is this any different from their most recent previous meetings?? I doubt Hingis was thinking about Venus being a Wimbledon champion during the match and if she was then that's a sign of mental weakness and that WILL be exploited on the women's tour.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 04:08 PM
How is this any different from their most recent previous meetings?? I doubt Hingis was thinking about Venus being a Wimbledon champion during the match and if she was then that's a sign of mental weakness and that WILL be exploited on the women's tour.
She was on the vergue of beating Venus, indeed a great player and a player she respects a lot, she was mentally weak in that match. But that can happen, Venus has choked as well and has bounced back many times, just for example Hingis did this week after coming from such a bad loss last week to now beating Penetta in another rematch which many of you keep saying that Hingis was not able to win rematches. Today she beat Dementieva too, showing a much more agressive game, which is the one she needs, and which was the one that separated her from winning last week against Venus.
As some say you win some you lose some.

Light-skinned Girl
May 11th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Can Hingis ever beat a William's sister, again?

Of course she can. As a matter of fact, she will beat the Willi's several times. :p

Knizzle
May 11th, 2006, 04:14 PM
She was on the vergue of beating Venus, indeed a great player and a player she respects a lot, she was mentally weak in that match. But that can happen, Venus has choked as well and has bounced back many times, just for example Hingis did this week after coming from such a bad loss last week to now beating Penetta in another rematch which many of you keep saying that Hingis was not able to win rematches. Today she beat Dementieva too, showing a much more agressive game, which is the one she needs, and which was the one that separated her from winning last week against Venus.
As some say you win some you lose some.

Davenport was on the verge of winning a GS title last year at Wimbledon, but that doesn't mean she'll ever actually win one in the future?? What's your opinion on that?? Hingis was playing Venus at like 20% in the last set and lost, what if Venus finds some form and plays Hingis next time, what's going to happen then??

cheo23
May 11th, 2006, 04:20 PM
And what makes you think Serena wont do the same?
And Serena has much more at her disposal to destroy Martina Hingis than Hingis does to beat Serena.
Never did I said SERENA won't do the same:rolleyes: :retard:

WE ALL KNOW SERENA loves to Play Martina Hingis & is READY EVERY SINGLE TIME...she hates to lose

Yes, SERENA has alot of firepower that Martina Hingis can't handle..but they still must play the Matches.

cheo23
May 11th, 2006, 04:23 PM
She should have had motivation to beat Venus the other day too right?? Why didn't she?? :confused:
well she 2 points away from victory...she didn't PLAY A CLAY TOURNAMENT IN 4 LONG ASS YEARS....being up 6-4 5-4 30-0....thats a good indication for her...at least its a good challenge...that she knows she can STILL LEAD A MATCH AGAINST VENUS...now all she NEEDS IS TO CLOSE OUT THE MATCH.BE AGGRESSIVE & NOT WAIT ON Venus's UEs.

spencercarlos
May 11th, 2006, 04:33 PM
Davenport was on the verge of winning a GS title last year at Wimbledon, but that doesn't mean she'll ever actually win one in the future?? What's your opinion on that?? Hingis was playing Venus at like 20% in the last set and lost, what if Venus finds some form and plays Hingis next time, what's going to happen then??
Interesting enough is that when Venus was closer to 100%, not cramping Hingis was in a much more closer position to win the match at 6-4 5-4 30-0.

Davenport´s case is different, it happened in a grand slam final, im not talking about a GS final match which is another story. Otherwise Hingis already got over the loss against Venus when she won the second round match in Berlin and even better because this week it was a Tier I and not a Tier II ?? So to be honest I don´t understand your reasoning here.

As much as Venus was falling phisically, Hingis fell apart mentally, making tons of mistakes, not even putting balls in play, and the very few balls she got in, there was nothing on the ball, against a player in cramps.

There is not question that both can play better than in that match, and hopefully they will and bring up a great match to watch.

spencercarlos
May 20th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Exactly. Now you're talking. If she can't beat a rusty Venus, on clay, leading a set and a break, and with Venus having leg cramps, when is it that she would beat her?
A little bump for those naysayers and ridiculous comments and post towards Martina. And what is more, Venus actually played better in this match than in Warsaw, made way less unforced errors, served way better, at least she only double faulted two or three times the whole day, was not in cramps and was up a set 6-0 nevertheless.

Plus i don´t think Martina played her best today, she held her nerve, despite some double faults at the start of some service games in the third set, but made some good winners when she had to and defended really well to earn this great win over the current Wimbledon champion :worship: Martina :bounce:

dinhd82
May 20th, 2006, 10:45 PM
LOL. love it love it love it!!!!!!

Mother_Marjorie
May 20th, 2006, 10:47 PM
Well, I guess today's match answered the question.

Billabong
May 20th, 2006, 10:50 PM
Marti:yeah: The question is answered now: YES:D! And sooner than we thought;)

SAEKeithSerena
May 20th, 2006, 11:15 PM
not serena:)

excitement1995
May 20th, 2006, 11:18 PM
LOL. The day I saw this post I knew such a silly post isn't going to get away with it. Congratulations Martina, keep on making us fans happy while smiling your way through tournaments.

LoveFifteen
May 20th, 2006, 11:21 PM
not serena:)

:haha:

new-york
May 20th, 2006, 11:23 PM
anyone can beat anyone on a given day.

LoveFifteen
May 20th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Never ever will they lose to Hingis again.

They have learned so much over the years and they would much rather die than lose to Martina.

Damn, you look like a FOOL now. :tape:

LoveFifteen
May 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Absolutely not.

Martina wanted me to let you know that "You just got served."

excitement1995
May 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM
One thing special about some Venus fans is that they aren't afraid of saying something that will surely embarras them later. I don't know if we call this being brave or being silly.

Damn, you look like a FOOL now. :tape:

j@zmin
May 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM
not serena:)


True, but how can she beat a player who is not playing??? :scratch: :scratch:

Anyway, I hope Serena return soon. Martina, Serena and Venus are the best 3 players of their generation and have done more than any other active player (except Lindsay. She, at the moment, has done more than Venus).

LoveFifteen
May 20th, 2006, 11:28 PM
And venus already proved martina can't beat her again.

Hmmm ... odd definition of the word "proved" ... :lol:

LoveFifteen
May 20th, 2006, 11:31 PM
If she can't beat a rusty Venus, on clay, leading a set and a break, and with Venus having leg cramps, when is it that she would beat her?

Today in Rome. :dance:

(After getting a bagel, no less ...)

spencercarlos
May 20th, 2006, 11:36 PM
And the answer is still No!
:lol:

Way love this win.

And definetly i rather this one than Warsaw, first this is a bigger event, and Venus was not in cramps, and both played much better. :bounce:

Had Venus lost in Warsaw with the cramps and winning this one today, the naysayers and Martina Haters will still be calling the cramps word as the excuse. :)

:rolleyes: VWFAN, KNIZZLE, PACOMEXICAN, DIESEL, and Infinity (stupidness :lol:)
:wavey:

terjw
May 20th, 2006, 11:38 PM
I can say with a fair amount of confidence that Martina Hingis cannot beat Serena Williams right now. ;)

;) LOL. Only just seen this thread. Amidst all the usual idiots spouting that Martina will never beat Venus - I think your dry humour was missed. Very well put.

Alicia Rocks
May 20th, 2006, 11:48 PM
:rocker2: YES! :p

mdsc8
May 21st, 2006, 12:28 AM
it just happened! now stop this crap!

Lulu.
May 21st, 2006, 12:33 AM
Yes she will beat Vee and Rena if they are off their game. But If they're playing well and arent making alot of errors I see them blasting Martina off the court everytime

cheo23
May 21st, 2006, 12:57 AM
CONGRATULATIONS MISS SMILIN ASSASSIN ON DEFEATING VENUS!!!!!!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

it took 2 weeks but REVENGE IS SO SO SOOO SWEET!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:@ THE POSTERS THAT DOUBTED MISS THANG & her AWESOME ABILITY

Andrew..
May 21st, 2006, 01:09 AM
Martina's issues with Venus right now are clearly all mental. If she could get beyond that, then she could be beating her.

In Serena's current form, alot of players could probably beat her, Martina included.
:yippee:

!<blocparty>!
May 21st, 2006, 01:29 AM
Fun thread.

LOL! Did you see how Venus was fighting in Warsaw?
Neither one of them wants to lose to Hingis again - EVER.

Haha.

alfonsojose
May 21st, 2006, 01:33 AM
This thread :lol:

morningglory
May 21st, 2006, 01:36 AM
apparently yes :sad: I hate wasting food... (bagels, breadsticks and such) Venus had it, like Martina did last time, then the mental side comes into play...

Hurley
May 21st, 2006, 01:42 AM
Yes she will beat Vee and Rena if they are off their game. But If they're playing well and arent making alot of errors I see them blasting Martina off the court everytime

Nice answer. Too bad that wasn't the fucking question.

F-R-E-A-K
May 21st, 2006, 01:45 AM
:haha:

Martina :yeah:

Vincent
May 21st, 2006, 02:11 AM
0-6 6-3 6-3 ;)

Sam L
May 21st, 2006, 02:11 AM
La Reine est de retour! = The Queen is back!

:clap2:

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 03:02 AM
Fun thread.

Haha.

LMAO @ the bumps.

Its unfair to group the WS in this way anyways. :ras:

Venus is the weaker Williams. Martina bested her after being bagelled. Big whoop. Martina always could (up until the VERY end) frazzle Venus and have her looking like a dumb athlete.
However, she will NOT beat a FIT Serena again. :)

starr
May 21st, 2006, 03:05 AM
Venus is the weaker Williams sister? She's ranked about 150 points ahead of Serena right now.

Sharapova's_Boy
May 21st, 2006, 03:07 AM
:haha:

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 03:08 AM
Venus is the weaker Williams sister? She's ranked about 150 points ahead of Serena right now.

Regardless of rank, Yes, Venus is the weaker Williams.

Mother_Marjorie
May 21st, 2006, 03:37 AM
Regardless of rank, Yes, Venus is the weaker Williams.

If Venus is the weaker of the two, then why can't Serena pull herself up by her bootstraps and get on a tennis court????

The past few times Venus and Serena played, Venus was beating down on younger sis.

Physically, Serena was always the stronger one, however, we're beginning to see that mentally, it is Venus that has longevity.

Mother_Marjorie
May 21st, 2006, 03:42 AM
However, she will NOT beat a FIT Serena again. :)

Technically, Serena hasn't been physically "fit" since before Wimby 2003.

Tennis is largely a game of mental attributes, supported by physical traits. You can look like Governor Arnold on a tennis court, but if your confidence is waning, and you are even the slightest bit unsure of yourself, you are toast.

Its mental tenacity which helps Hingis defeat athletes much bigger and stronger than she at the present. To think that a fit Serena will comeback and immediately dominate Hingis is foolish. Just ask Venus.

Junex
May 21st, 2006, 03:43 AM
One thing special about some Venus fans is that they aren't afraid of saying something that will surely embarras them later. I don't know if we call this being brave or being silly.


That is their trademark and if ever they look stupid, they always have an excuse...if that doesn't work...they have a handy supply of mud to sling at will!

G1Player2
May 21st, 2006, 03:48 AM
Technically, Serena hasn't been physically "fit" since before Wimby 2003.

Tennis is largely a game of mental attributes, supported by physical traits. You can look like Governor Arnold on a tennis court, but if your confidence is waning, and you are even the slightest bit unsure of yourself, you are toast.

Its mental tenacity which helps Hingis defeat athletes much bigger and stronger than she at the present. To think that a fit Serena will comeback and immediately dominate Hingis is foolish. Just ask Venus.

This is Venus 8th match in the last 8 MONTHS. That's a match a month. She STILL beat Hingis in her first tournament back while Hingis has been playing almost every week for the last 5 months and THIS was on a claycourt. Venus almost beat Hingis today, including a bagel, and this was on a claycourt as well so this says more about Hingis than it does Venus because Venus's matchplay has been nonexistent these last few months while Hingis has been playing regularly.

excitement1995
May 21st, 2006, 03:54 AM
By saying some one close to beat another, we generally mean that she had match points or at least had a big lead in the second set or the final set.

This is Venus 8th match in the last 8 MONTHS. That's a match a month. She STILL beat Hingis in her first tournament back while Hingis has been playing almost every week for the last 5 months and THIS was on a claycourt. Venus almost beat Hingis today, including a bagel, and this was on a claycourt as well so this says more about Hingis than it does Venus because Venus's matchplay has been nonexistent these last few months while Hingis has been playing regularly.

Mother_Marjorie
May 21st, 2006, 03:56 AM
This is Venus 8th match in the last 8 MONTHS. That's a match a month. She STILL beat Hingis in her first tournament back while Hingis has been playing almost every week for the last 5 months and THIS was on a claycourt.

I dunno, but being away for three years kinda trumps all that stuff.

Venus almost beat Hingis today, including a bagel

I don't recall Venus having a match point. Those bagels can be awfully sour to eat if you've passed one out to your opponent and they make you eat it in the end.

G1Player2
May 21st, 2006, 04:00 AM
I dunno, but being away for three years kinda trumps all that stuff.


No it doesn't if when you come back you are playing just as well as wehn you left. And remember Hingis has been playing in WTT the last couple years and even thought that is not like the WTA tour it's evident that she has still been fit and stayed in shape so her being out for three years means NOTHING if she comes back playing as well as when she left the game.


I don't recall Venus having a match point. Those bagels can be awfully sour to eat if you've passed one out to your opponent and they make you eat it in the end.


Maybe she didn't almost win but the match was still competetive for someone who hasn't played all but 8 matches in the last 8 months and only her 2nd tournament in the last 5 months while her opponent has played in 11 tournaments so far.

starr
May 21st, 2006, 04:19 AM
This is Venus 8th match in the last 8 MONTHS. That's a match a month. She STILL beat Hingis in her first tournament back while Hingis has been playing almost every week for the last 5 months and THIS was on a claycourt. Venus almost beat Hingis today, including a bagel, and this was on a claycourt as well so this says more about Hingis than it does Venus because Venus's matchplay has been nonexistent these last few months while Hingis has been playing regularly.

No, Martina hasn't been playing every week for the last 5 months. She didn't play between Miami and Warsaw. Warsaw was her first clay tournament.

Still I think Venus fans should be pretty pleased with her return to the courts. Venus has played well and hasn't had an embarrassing defeat to a lowly ranked player. I think that she should be pretty happy with herself right now. She's in a position to get to at least the quarterfinals at RG. Then she needs to do well at Wimbledon. If she can hold on to most of her points at Wimbledon, she'll be in good shape for the summer.

Now for Martina! I am SO HAPPY. She's like a ray of light ... or 1,295,8723.455 rays of light on the court and in the press conferences. She's brought sparkle back to the tour!

Edit: Oh yeah. Venus DID NOT almost beat Hingis today. Venus was never close to winning the match. Martina won the second set easily, and was playing better than Venus in the third. Venus dominated one set because Martina was making a lot of errors, i.e. playing poorly, and Venus was playing well. Martina deserves all the praise because she kept mentally strong and didn't let the first set drubbing affect her.

darrinbaker00
May 21st, 2006, 04:21 AM
Tennis is largely a game of mental attributes, supported by physical traits. You can look like Governor Arnold on a tennis court, but if your confidence is waning, and you are even the slightest bit unsure of yourself, you are toast.
Good analogy, bad example. Have you seen Gov. Schwarzenegger lately? :eek:

TonyP
May 21st, 2006, 04:32 AM
This has the potential to be a strong rivalry again, assuming Venus sticks around for awhile and plays a reasonable number of tournaments. If she doesn't play too often, HIngis I think will dominate, because she has overcome a big mental hurdle in today's victory.

As for Serena, who knows one way or the other. WE don't know that we will see her back. What seems clear to me is, if she does come back, she will have to get back into shape, because HIngis and a lot of other players will run her until she drops.

Lastly, Hingis proved something today, that she can fall far behind and fight her way back. That is great for her confidence. What today also provided perhaps the final proof of is this. Critics said Martina could come back and beat lesser players, but the top power players would blow her off the court. Well so far, she has beaten Davenport, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Sharapova. Safina, Vaidesova and Venus Williams. She has taken both Clijsters and Maruesmo to third sets.

Hingis can hold here own with any top player already, and the season is so young, we haven't even reached the half way mark yet.

spencercarlos
May 21st, 2006, 04:56 AM
Regardless of rank, Yes, Venus is the weaker Williams.
Sorry King but don´t come here and tell me that Hingis can not put a win over Serena these days, especially after AO 2005, when Serena had some flashes of her very best, but has done little since. Jankovic, Hantuchova, Craybas, Li have won over Serena in the past year.

Of course throw 2002 Serena and not only she will beat Hingis, but everybody out there.

2006 Venus>Serena, first she is injury free, she´s won a grand slam more recently than Serena and also she has had some top wins. The last good player Serena beat was probably Schiavone at the Usopen last year, and that since the Australian Open 2005.

No.1Hingis
May 21st, 2006, 06:10 AM
[/QUOTE]
Its unfair to group the WS in this way anyways. :ras:

Venus is the weaker Williams. Martina bested her after being bagelled. Big whoop. Martina always could (up until the VERY end) frazzle Venus and have her looking like a dumb athlete.
However, she will NOT beat a FIT Serena again. :)[/QUOTE]


OH COME ON!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION IS ALL YOU HAD TO DO.. AND WELL EVEN YOU DO THAT.. MARTINA ANSWER IT YESTERDAY SHE WON SO WHAT!.. TIME THEY WERE PLAY AND FACES EACHOTHER ALL THIS BEATING THING IS POSSIBLE IN SAME SIDE.. SO.. BE JUST FOR ONE AND LET MARTINA THE CREDIT SHE DESERVE ...

I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE FANS BUT FACTS TALK THEIRSELVES.. AND AT TIME MARTINA BEAT VENUS TO REACH FINAL ON ROME TIER I AND SERENA IS NOT PLAYING.. YOU CAN SAID SERENA IS BETTER WHEN SHE PLAY AND MADE THIS A REALITY .. NOT BEFORE.. GROWN UP PEOPLE (YOU KNOW WHO IS IT)..

Jackson.
May 21st, 2006, 06:34 AM
:rolls:

PLP
May 21st, 2006, 08:58 AM
:haha: Martina wanted me to let you know that "You just got served."
:haha: You are truly awesome>P

fifiricci
May 21st, 2006, 09:03 AM
Regardless of rank, Yes, Venus is the weaker Williams.

I think you shoud quite while you're behind :lol: I admire your loyalty but .................. :tape:

PLP
May 21st, 2006, 09:09 AM
Also, I think it isn't correct to say Venus is weaker than Serena...Maybe Serena has more singles slams but Vee has accomplished soooo much and obviously at the moment she is the stronger Williams by far>P

BEEILOVEYA
May 21st, 2006, 09:31 AM
PLP, I agree.

jamesuk
May 21st, 2006, 09:42 AM
At least Venus is out there on court trying. Silly to say she is worse than a fit Serena. A great tennis player is one who is able to tough it out and find a win when they are NOT at their best mentally or physically. You cant just say X is the best because when she is at her best she is unbeatable.

I still cannot believe that Hingis is back and that the rivalry with Venus has resumed, as a general fan of tennis it is just the best thing that could have happened to the game. It is so fantastic also that Hingis won today because it has added more suspense to their next encounter. If she had lost we would all be back on the "never gonna beat a WS again" line and be kind of expecting a Williams victory.

!<blocparty>!
May 21st, 2006, 10:25 AM
L
However, she will NOT beat a FIT Serena again. :)

Is that because that's never gonna happen? :tape:

LOL @ the rest of this page. Anyone that argues Venus is the better Williams sister needs their heads looked at. :retard::lol:

Still I think Venus fans should be pretty pleased with her return to the courts. Venus has played well and hasn't had an embarrassing defeat to a lowly ranked player. I think that she should be pretty happy with herself right now.

She lost the AO first round to a journeywoman, and bullshitted a couple of clay semi finals. Her 2006 hasn't really been that great.

faste5683
May 21st, 2006, 11:13 AM
Nice answer. Too bad that wasn't the fucking question.

:lol:

I think you were my teacher in third grade!

:wavey:

thrust
May 21st, 2006, 11:26 AM
At their best, Serena was better, not by much, but still better.

lolo21
May 21st, 2006, 01:04 PM
I still cannot believe that Hingis is back and that the rivalry with Venus has resumed, as a general fan of tennis it is just the best thing that could have happened to the game. It is so fantastic also that Hingis won today because it has added more suspense to their next encounter. If she had lost we would all be back on the "never gonna beat a WS again" line and be kind of expecting a Williams victory.


completely agree. :)

A'DAM
May 21st, 2006, 01:07 PM
Yes :haha: :haha: :haha:

starr
May 21st, 2006, 01:15 PM
Is that because that's never gonna happen? :tape:

LOL @ the rest of this page. Anyone that argues Venus is the better Williams sister needs their heads looked at. :retard::lol:



She lost the AO first round to a journeywoman, and bullshitted a couple of clay semi finals. Her 2006 hasn't really been that great.

I wasn't talking about all of 2006, but only of her return to playing in the clay court season, i.e. the last two tournaments. But, if you think success in a comeback is only winning tournaments or getting to finals, so be it. I think it's a pretty narrow vision, personally.

I think the argument that Venus is better is not a comparison of each of them playing their best, but only who is the better player right now.

!<blocparty>!
May 21st, 2006, 01:30 PM
I wasn't talking about all of 2006, but only of her return to playing in the clay court season, i.e. the last two tournaments. But, if you think success in a comeback is only winning tournaments or getting to finals, so be it. I think it's a pretty narrow vision, personally.

I think the argument that Venus is better is not a comparison of each of them playing their best, but only who is the better player right now.

We're talking about Venus Williams.

And what's the point comparing two players when the one isn't even playing.

Martian KC
May 21st, 2006, 01:38 PM
Whew. Glad this was worked out.

starr
May 21st, 2006, 01:39 PM
And what's the point comparing two players when the one isn't even playing.

Exactly. That was sort of the point. Posters were saying ... Martina beat Venus but she couldn't beat Serena. And others, including me, were pointing out that Venus is the better player at this point in space and time.

CrossCourt~Rally
May 21st, 2006, 01:43 PM
:scratch:

!<blocparty>!
May 21st, 2006, 02:06 PM
Exactly. That was sort of the point. Posters were saying ... Martina beat Venus but she couldn't beat Serena. And others, including me, were pointing out that Venus is the better player at this point in space and time.

King. said that Serena is the better Williams, and he is correct. It's irrelevant saying who's the better player NOW, one isn't playing.

Jamie
May 21st, 2006, 02:12 PM
DAHHH, She just did! I remember when she played against Serena and was down 4-1 in Serena's favorite. The look on Serena's mother and venus were like "she is going to win". Martina came back and won the match. The last AO when she played against both and beat them back to back. Do no underestimate Martina, she is in my estimate "The best of the best".

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 05:51 PM
King. said that Serena is the better Williams, and he is correct. It's irrelevant saying who's the better player NOW, one isn't playing.

Bloc, thank you for saying it better than I obviously could.

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 05:53 PM
Sorry King but don´t come here and tell me that Hingis can not put a win over Serena these days, especially after AO 2005, when Serena had some flashes of her very best, but has done little since. Jankovic, Hantuchova, Craybas, Li have won over Serena in the past year.

Of course throw 2002 Serena and not only she will beat Hingis, but everybody out there.

2006 Venus>Serena, first she is injury free, she´s won a grand slam more recently than Serena and also she has had some top wins. The last good player Serena beat was probably Schiavone at the Usopen last year, and that since the Australian Open 2005.

Na Li didn't beat Serena, you probably mean Tian Tian Sun. And Serena was struggling wth injury in her losses to Jankovic and Craybas.
And I'm sure even Hingis could beat fat Serena. :lol: I said Hingis will not beat FIT Serena again. That of course goes with the assumption that Serena will return to full fitness. :tape:
And like Bloc said, it makes no sense to say that 2006 Venus>Serena because Serena has not played since January. No one but she knows what form she's in.

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 05:56 PM
Dumb athlete?? :scratch: :rolleyes: @ King.

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 06:02 PM
If Venus is the weaker of the two, then why can't Serena pull herself up by her bootstraps and get on a tennis court????

Because she is battling a chronic knee injury. :)

The past few times Venus and Serena played, Venus was beating down on younger sis.

Yes she did get the best of Serena the last two times they played. But the H2H is 7-6, excuse me.

Physically, Serena was always the stronger one, however, we're beginning to see that mentally, it is Venus that has longevity.

Wrong, Venus was always the stronger Williams physically, although due to Serena's muscular arms, it may not have looked that way. And you are speaking as if Serena has given up on tennis completely. She is battling a chronic knee injury and will be back on court once she returns to full health and fitness. By looking at her weight in recent pictures, she is losing weight so shes taking steps to return to full fitness.

Venus may plan to play tennis longer than Serena, but Serena has been the mentally stronger player since 2002.

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 06:15 PM
Dumb athlete?? :scratch: :rolleyes: @ King.

AHEM!!! :)

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 06:17 PM
AHEM!!! :)


LOL

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 06:18 PM
LOL

Whitey has gotten to you it seems, what a shame. :)

Can't even argue the point. Just like a hat0r. :lol:

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 06:19 PM
Whitey has gotten to you it seems, what a shame. :)

Can't even argue the point. Just like a hat0r. :lol:

LOL

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 06:21 PM
This, ladies and gentlemen, is an owning by petrification. *takes bow*

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 06:22 PM
This, ladies and gentlemen, is an owning by petrification. *takes bow*

LOL

VeeReeDavJCap81
May 21st, 2006, 06:56 PM
I think the real question is will Hingis ever beat Sharapova again? :tape:

hingis-seles
May 21st, 2006, 07:35 PM
Yes she did get the best of Serena the last two times they played. But the H2H is 7-7.

The ITF does not include the Grand Slam Cup in head-to-head records because it was an exhibition that did not award ranking points. Therefore, their 1999 final, won by Silliams in three sets does not count.

Venus leads the head-to-head 7-6.

:)

Mother_Marjorie
May 21st, 2006, 07:43 PM
Whitey has gotten to you it seems, what a shame. :)

Can't even argue the point. Just like a hat0r. :lol:

Who are you calling "Whitey"????

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 08:27 PM
The ITF does not include the Grand Slam Cup in head-to-head records because it was an exhibition that did not award ranking points. Therefore, their 1999 final, won by Silliams in three sets does not count.

Venus leads the head-to-head 7-6.

:)

Ok, Venus leads the H2H 7-6. Big gap. :shrug:

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM
The ITF does not include the Grand Slam Cup in head-to-head records because it was an exhibition that did not award ranking points. Therefore, their 1999 final, won by Silliams in three sets does not count.

Venus leads the head-to-head 7-6.

:)Serena and Venus (Hingis too) play on the WTA tour. It was a WTA event so therefore the H2H is 7-7. :)

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM
Who are you calling "Whitey"????

You.

Mother_Marjorie
May 21st, 2006, 08:54 PM
You.

You are nothing more than an ignorant, simple-minded racist. "ignore" for you.

Knizzle
May 21st, 2006, 09:02 PM
You are nothing more than an ignorant, simple-minded racist. "ignore" for you.

Stupid question begats a stupid answer.

vogus
May 21st, 2006, 10:42 PM
LMAO @ the bumps.

Its unfair to group the WS in this way anyways. :ras:

Venus is the weaker Williams. Martina bested her after being bagelled. Big whoop. Martina always could (up until the VERY end) frazzle Venus and have her looking like a dumb athlete.
However, she will NOT beat a FIT Serena again. :)


:worship:

how fondly i remember those thrashings, whuppings, beatings, and pummelings that Serena put on Hingis in '01-'02.

Those were the days.

le bon vivant
May 21st, 2006, 10:47 PM
You are nothing more than an ignorant, simple-minded racist. "ignore" for you.

LOL! Julia?