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liuxuan
May 9th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Lindsay has had some heartbreaking losses in the majors the last couple of years, when she was the favourite, playing fantastic tennis, and the powers that be have stopped her from taking the final grandslam that she wants and deserves so badly, and that would allow her to end her career happy.

Which one do you think, if she could change, she would?

In all of these matches, (maybe the serena match aside), she was playing great, dominating, and should have closed it out routinely, I still cant believe she didnt. She really should have 5 or 6 slams in her cabinet right now.......which would give her a deserved higher standing on the all time list, where she belongs.

Personally, and no doubt, everyone will vote for it, it was last years Wimbledon final. It seemed like the gods of fate were finally on Lindsays side, she was playing outstanding battling tennis in beating Kim, and Amelie, it just seemed like fate. Allthough it did kinda seem like fate on the other side with Venus too.

I think the one she definately should have won was the US Open against Kuznetsova.

Its such an awful shame she lost this match, as she was sooooo much better and would have breezed through the final in a similar fashion that she had breezed through the first set before her hip strain kicked in. Such a shame.

crazillo
May 9th, 2006, 02:16 PM
I think the one vs. Venus mentally... The one vs. Kuzzi was not a mental breakdown, but the injury that came up... Otherwise she'd have won the tournament I think...

tenn_ace
May 9th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Venus no doubt.

That was the toughest one "to swallow" IMO.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Probably 04 USO. That loss was injury, nothing else, and no one wants to lose that way. Having said that, I don't think Lindsay's too picky, I think if you gave her any of the GS finals that she lost, she'd take it gladly.

MH0861
May 9th, 2006, 02:20 PM
All those losses suck, but I'd go for Wimbledon '05.. because it was the championship match. US '04 was pretty hard to swallow too, but it wasn't the championship match.

Lindsay should have won all 4 of those slams. :sad:

LefandePatty
May 9th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Wimby 05

For sure.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 02:29 PM
I would think the Sharapova match would disgust her the most b/c 1)she was clearly the better player, and 2)there was no injury.

Billabong
May 9th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Hhhmmm either the 2004 US or 2005 Wim;)

vwfan
May 9th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Wimbledon 2005 final. . so close until the last two games. No shame in Lindsay's game for that one. She pulled out all the stops, but Venus just outplayed her on all the big points. That will go down as an all time classic and kudos to both ladies for that one. Incredible!

In Australia, she should be embarassed, not sad. She allowed herself to get bagelled in a Grand Slam final, she was favored to win and dominating in the beginning. There, she just didn't believe that she could do it after Serena won the second set.

The other two, weren't championship matches so who knows what would have happened had she gotten to the final. There is no evidence that she could have beaten Serena in the final of Wimbledon and Dementieva just beat her in the QF of U.S. Open, so perhaps she would have put up a good fight in the final against Lindz had she won against Kutzie.

Best shot going forward is the U.S. Open 2006 and I'll be rooting for her.
(unless of course, she is playing Venus;then I'll be rooting for a high quality, nailbitting, victory for Venus, where Lindsay can retire knowing that she has given us two of the best women's tennis finals in the history of the sport)
:bounce:

Infiniti2001
May 9th, 2006, 02:48 PM
Wimbledon 2005 final. . so close until the last two games. No shame in Lindsay's game for that one. She pulled out all the stops, but Venus just outplayed her on all the big points. That will go down as an all time classic and kudos to both ladies for that one. Incredible!

In Australia, she should be embarassed, not sad. She allowed herself to get bagelled in a Grand Slam final, she was favored to win and dominating in the beginning. There, she just didn't believe that she could do it after Serena won the second set.

The other two, weren't championship matches so who knows what would have happened had she gotten to the final. There is no evidence that she could have beaten Serena in the final of Wimbledon and Dementieva just beat her in the QF of U.S. Open, so perhaps she would have put up a good fight in the final against Lindz had she won against Kutzie.

Best shot going forward is the U.S. Open 2006 and I'll be rooting for her.
(unless of course, she is playing Venus;then I'll be rooting for a high quality, nailbitting, victory for Venus, where Lindsay can retire knowing that she has given us two of the best women's tennis finals in the history of the sport)
:bounce:

:yeah: Lindsay did nothing wrong against Venus, it's just that Venus was determined to win. She played those important points with a vengence :eek:

Steffica Greles
May 9th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Wimbledon 2000.

Why so early? Because if she hadn't lost that match she would have dominated 2000 and Venus would not have gained an edge over her. Who knows what Lindsay would have achieved in 2001 without Venus Williams at her best.

Taz Warrior
May 9th, 2006, 02:53 PM
I say the AO final against Serena - if she'd won that it may have helped her mental toughness and she could have drawn from that to win the Wimbledon final against Venus

The_Pov
May 9th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Wimbledon 04 because she would have beaten Serena in the final and was winning...although I won't ever complain about that result.

mike/topgun
May 9th, 2006, 03:00 PM
Those 2 semis were just fate... injury and rain came down and helped her opponents.
Aussie Open final was a different story. Lindsay was playing good and Serena was playing crap in the first set, then all changed. Ree managed to overcome her physical problems and she put a fight and some great serves to win it while Davenport was becoming just too exhausted to play her game for another set - it was all physicall exhaustion I saw there, serve was crap and Serena obviously and logicaly kept playing better and better to the end.
Wimbledon was a classic, and there's where my vote goes. It could have been 2 tight sets for Lindsay, it was 3 tight for Venus;).
Still there's something like a fate - just when Dav started to turn the 3rd set on her favour the back injury came and next 2 games she gave up easily - I remember the look of her face when she had this gp, was turning from the court and even the commentator noticed that weirdly Lindsay seemed to be very upset - probably, cos she knew the back went down at that point...IMHO she knew she was not going to win it, cos she couldn't turn her back while serving, and make a full swing while hitting fh, bh or reaching for a lower shot etc...she tried to stay there, fought very hard, but it never was the same after the injury time-out:(

Infiniti2001
May 9th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Wimbledon 2000.

Why so early? Because if she hadn't lost that match she would have dominated 2000 and Venus would not have gained an edge over her. Who knows what Lindsay would have achieved in 2001 without Venus Williams at her best.

It's not like she was leading in that match :shrug:

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Wimbledon 2005 final. . so close until the last two games. No shame in Lindsay's game for that one. She pulled out all the stops, but Venus just outplayed her on all the big points. That will go down as an all time classic and kudos to both ladies for that one. Incredible!

In Australia, she should be embarassed, not sad. She allowed herself to get bagelled in a Grand Slam final, she was favored to win and dominating in the beginning. There, she just didn't believe that she could do it after Serena won the second set.

The other two, weren't championship matches so who knows what would have happened had she gotten to the final. There is no evidence that she could have beaten Serena in the final of Wimbledon and Dementieva just beat her in the QF of U.S. Open, so perhaps she would have put up a good fight in the final against Lindz had she won against Kutzie.

Best shot going forward is the U.S. Open 2006 and I'll be rooting for her.
(unless of course, she is playing Venus;then I'll be rooting for a high quality, nailbitting, victory for Venus, where Lindsay can retire knowing that she has given us two of the best women's tennis finals in the history of the sport)
:bounce:
Lindsay backed off on the big points of Wimbledon 05, waiting for errors which never came.
And AO 05 I was just glad she won a set. After almost losing to Dechy, I thought with that form Serena would slaughter her.
No evidence she would've beaten Serena at Wimbledon '04? Well, Sharapova handled Serena pretty easily and Lindsay had a bigger, better version of Sharapova's game so barring a meltdown Lindsay should've won that match. Plus, she dismantled Serena pretty handily a couple weeks later in Los Angeles. I love Serena, but she was no way at her peak during that time.
And sorry, the form Lindsay had at USO 04 was miles ahead of where she was at USO 05. In 05 she played a horrible match and still BARELY lost. In 04, she would've skinned Dementieva alive.

Volcana
May 9th, 2006, 03:06 PM
US Open '04. She didn't get beat, she got hurt.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 03:06 PM
Those 2 semis were just fate... injury and rain came down and helped her opponents.
Aussie Open final was a different story. Lindsay was playing good and Serena was playing crap in the first set, then all changed. Ree managed to overcome her physical problems and she put a fight and some great serves to win it while Davenport was becoming just too exhausted to play her game for another set - it was all physicall exhaustion I saw there, serve was crap and Serena obviously and logicaly kept playing better and better to the end.
Wimbledon was a classic, and there's where my vote goes. It could have been 2 tight sets for Lindsay, it was 3 tight for Venus;).
Still there's something like a fate - just when Dav started to turn the 3rd set on her favour the back injury came and next 2 games she gave up easily - I remember the look of her face when she had this gp, was turning from the court and even the commentator noticed that weirdly Lindsay seemed to be very upset - probably, cos she knew the back went down at that point...IMHO she knew she was not going to win it, cos she couldn't turn her back while serving, and make a full swing while hitting fh, bh or reaching for a lower shot etc...she tried to stay there, fought very hard, but it never was the same after the injury time-out:(
I agree and that's why I will never watch that match again. Ever.

The_Pov
May 9th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Apart from the matches she injured herself in she should have won the others, but wasn't as mentally tough and able to cope with rain delays as her oponents.

Wimbledon 04 and 05 were her best chances but now I feel there are too many players that can beat her. If she has to face Venus or Maria at wimbledon she is in real trouble.

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I think all of them, but probably the USO04 and Wimby 05.

After that terrific run on hardcourt she was the dead favourite, and I bet it was a bitter pill to swallow when she lost in the semi's.

winone23
May 9th, 2006, 03:25 PM
wimby 05 becuase she was so close, she had the match in her hands.

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 9th, 2006, 03:30 PM
It must be Wimby... to lose 9-7 in a tiebreak at the final set is crushing... I felt for Lindsay in that game... :sad:

LH2HBH
May 9th, 2006, 03:31 PM
I have to go with Serena at the Australian Open 05 simply because she totally lost that match. It was hers to win or lose that day and she failed to capitalize. In my opinion that is the biggest heartbreak.

The loss of Wimbledon 05 is a different kind of heartbreak because a/she had an injury during the match at a crucial time. b/she lost to a player who fought back but this time both players kept up their games in the 3rd set. c/it was a really special moment and a 'classic' piece of Wimbledon history

vwfan
May 9th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I agree and that's why I will never watch that match again. Ever. Really? Is that why you'll never watch that match again. :tape:
It was great tennis from both players. Lindsay didn't lose because she was hurt, though. She had a match point after she was hurt. She lost for the reason that you yourself noted--she backed off on the big points and Venus raised her game. I mean really--Venus broke Lindsay twice to love when she needed to! When did that happen? Before the injury.
Anyway, I'm a Lindsay fan, except when she's playing Venus. So I watch the match all the time. :lol:

vwfan
May 9th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I have to go with Serena at the Australian Open 05 simply because she totally lost that match. It was hers to win or lose that day and she failed to capitalize. In my opinion that is the biggest heartbreak.

The loss of Wimbledon 05 is a different kind of heartbreak because a/she had an injury during the match at a crucial time. b/she lost to a player who fought back but this time both players kept up their games in the 3rd set. c/it was a really special moment and a 'classic' piece of Wimbledon historyWow, you must have plenty of heartattacks, since all your favs are some of the best rivalries and most dramatic matches in history! More power to you.

Venus is my fav, but some of your favs drive her nuts! And Hingis and Lindz especially, though they bring out her best tennis.

She hates losing to them, probably because they beat her so much when she was a newbie on the scene. :lol: If not from them, she would have likely hit her dominating stride earlier--I mean earlier than making the final of your first U.S. Open competition. ;) Hingis owns her a slam and the one that prevented her from being the first to win one in her family, then she beat her in three tough sets in the SF the year that Serena won, so no way was she going down to Hingis--cramps and all! Got to love that fight.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 9th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Lindsay backed off on the big points of Wimbledon 05, waiting for errors which never came.
And AO 05 I was just glad she won a set. After almost losing to Dechy, I thought with that form Serena would slaughter her.
No evidence she would've beaten Serena at Wimbledon '04? Well, Sharapova handled Serena pretty easily and Lindsay had a bigger, better version of Sharapova's game so barring a meltdown Lindsay should've won that match. Plus, she dismantled Serena pretty handily a couple weeks later in Los Angeles. I love Serena, but she was no way at her peak during that time...
the only reason she lost that LA final (I was there! Screaming for Ree as loundly as I could), is that #1 she was tired from playing a tight semi like 10 hours before, and she was mentally wounded from that loss to Sharapova. I think if it was Serena v. Davenport, Serena probably would have won. She knew Davenport's game and would have known what to expect. Sharapova won the tournament out of NOWHERE! But the past is the past so.....I just hope Lindsay can win another slam before she says goodbye for good!

new-york
May 9th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Wimbledon 2005 final. She had a championship point.

You just remember that.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 9th, 2006, 03:44 PM
By the way, I voted for 2004 Wimbledon, I mean that loss started the whole "RETIREMENT" talk, and I mean for her to lose to a (then...come on now!) unknown player after being up a set and a break. I mean this is Down the line Lindsay here, she was supposed to win that match, but Maria grabbed it out of her hands. If Lindsay would have won that one....who knows.....it would have been the 5th All-American Final in 6 years....but w/e....here's hoping for a repeat (with the same, but maybe not so dramatic result) this year!

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Really? Is that why you'll never watch that match again. :tape:
It was great tennis from both players. Lindsay didn't lose because she was hurt, though. She had a match point after she was hurt. She lost for the reason that you yourself noted--she backed off on the big points and Venus raised her game. I mean really--Venus broke Lindsay twice to love when she needed to! When did that happen? Before the injury.
Anyway, I'm a Lindsay fan, except when she's playing Venus. So I watch the match all the time. :lol:
I just don't enjoy seeing Lindsay lose, but it's not like it's excruciating for me or anything. I mean, at the end of the day whether she wins another one or not, she retires a multimillionaire with a hall of fame career. All at about 30 with plenty of years ahead of her. Hard to feel sorry for that. But again, I sure don't enjoy seeing her lose. :lol:

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 03:49 PM
the only reason she lost that LA final (I was there! Screaming for Ree as loundly as I could), is that #1 she was tired from playing a tight semi like 10 hours before, and she was mentally wounded from that loss to Sharapova. I think if it was Serena v. Davenport, Serena probably would have won. She knew Davenport's game and would have known what to expect. Sharapova won the tournament out of NOWHERE! But the past is the past so.....I just hope Lindsay can win another slam before she says goodbye for good!
What was so tricky about Sharapova's game that made it hard for Serena to figure out? :shrug:

The Daviator
May 9th, 2006, 03:55 PM
US Open 2004 for me, even though she held mp against Venus, she still had to win one more point against one of the best fighters in the game on a court where Venus was twice named champion, beating Venus at Wimbledon is an incredible and a very tough feat (well done Serena, and of course Karolina ;)) and even though she lost that match it's understandable because it's not as if she hadn't lost to Vee at Wimbledon before...

At the US Open '04, Lindsay had done the hard work, she beat an in-form Bovina and then Venus, it should have been plain sailing, I mean she had Sveta and then Dementieva standing in her way, and she would have annihilated Dementieva in the final, such was the level of her play that summer, although I reckon she lost because some force up above had decided that it was going to be the year of the Russians :p I even thought that a Russian would win that event beforehand because of the pattern that had emerged, I'm strange in my reasoning I know :lol:, and that's what happened...

The other two suck also, not to mention US Open '05 to Dementieva and AO '06 to JH-H :tape: You gotta love Lindsay, she almost always makes a dramatic exit from Slams :lol:

The Daviator
May 9th, 2006, 03:58 PM
the only reason she lost that LA final (I was there! Screaming for Ree as loundly as I could), is that #1 she was tired from playing a tight semi like 10 hours before, and she was mentally wounded from that loss to Sharapova. I think if it was Serena v. Davenport, Serena probably would have won. She knew Davenport's game and would have known what to expect. Sharapova won the tournament out of NOWHERE! But the past is the past so.....I just hope Lindsay can win another slam before she says goodbye for good!

So Serena being tired caused Lindsay to hit just one unforced error in the first set?

Sorry MSR, Lindsay kicked Serena's a$$ that day, she played exceptional, one of the best matches I've seen from her, Serena's got 10 wins over Lindsay, atleast give us that one instead of some excuse :)

Danči Dementia
May 9th, 2006, 04:04 PM
definiteli it was in wimbledon final last year she had a match point and she wasn't able to finished and saw her almost in tear it broke my heart.

new-york
May 9th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Wimby 05 Venus,4-6 7-6 9-7 (4-2 40-15 final set, then the back went)

Then Venus Came Back.

The Daviator
May 9th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Then Venus Came Back.

Because Lindsay's back went :p

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 04:21 PM
Because Lindsay's back went :p
At the very least, seeing Lindsay get hurt had to give Venus ALOT of confidence that even though she was behind, the match was still very winnable.

The Daviator
May 9th, 2006, 04:23 PM
At the very least, seeing Lindsay get hurt had to give Venus ALOT of confidence that even though she was behind, the match was still very winnable.

True, although to be fair, Venus did come up with the goods when down, that rally when Lindsay was up 15-30 on Vee's serve at, I think, 7-6, was unbelievable, Venus pulled out a winner from a shot that would have been a winner for Lindsay against anyone else...

And that backhand on mp, I don't want to think about that :sad:

Viktymise
May 9th, 2006, 04:26 PM
I think the Sharapova match, she would have definatlet won Wimbledon if she had of won that day but just got unlucky, im sure she would like to turn around last years wimbledon result too but venus was just too good in my opinion

lindsayno1
May 9th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Wimbledon 05. she had friggin championship point.

selyoink
May 9th, 2006, 05:23 PM
I'd say the Wimbledon final last year because that is the match she was the closest to winning.

Yonexforever
May 9th, 2006, 05:53 PM
I would think the Sharapova match would disgust her the most b/c 1)she was clearly the better player, and 2)there was no injury.

Except she defintely loses the final to Serena.. no question!

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 06:04 PM
:tape: at people using Lindsay' back as the reason she lost. We all know the truth, yes it definetly had something to contribute to the loss, but I mean c'mon. In the games AFTER her injury timeout (e.g. 5-4 Dav, 6-5 Dav, 7-6 Dav, to mention a few!) They were incredible games!!!!!!!!!!!

btw - the whole talk of Serena losing against Dav in LA 2004 because she was tired, :rolleyes: cmon. Im a Serena fan and I can admit that Davenport was just too good that day. No stupid excuses. I hate it when other fans make stupid excuses for their fav losing, so dont follow in their footsteps :wavey:

mike/topgun
May 9th, 2006, 06:17 PM
It's not like using the injury as an excuse. Venus played unbelieveble tennis in the end of the 2nd and main part of the 3rd set - she worked hard for that win...but it's often easier to come back into match when you know that even if you're a break behind your opponent is having problems, so you're still in the game. The last 6 games of that match were extraordinary and well played by both, I mean obviously Vee got the advantage and came up with some outstanding winners when she needed them most;) that's why she deserved her 3rd Wimbledon 'Venus Rosewater Dish' trophy:)

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Because Lindsay's back went :p
What you fail to realize is that Lindsay had match point after her so called back injury ;)

The_Pov
May 9th, 2006, 06:25 PM
The saddest thing about the whole thing would be if she retired now without another slam, because over the last few years so many chances have slipped through her fingers, so many victories that should have been hers were stolen from her.

Knizzle
May 9th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Wimby 04 she woulda lost to Serena in the final. US Open 04, she still should have won being up 3-0 in the third. OZ 05 she got outplayed by a "focused demon". Wimby 05 she would probably choose to reverse after being so close to winning so many times.

msharafan
May 9th, 2006, 06:27 PM
yeah i know how dav fans feel venus played the best tennis ive ever seen on the womens side of the tour to win wimby last year, she deserved to beat sharapova as she played sublime and i dont think an in form maria would have been able to beat venus on that day. so i know what its like lindsay fans although your gal has championship point it makes the loss harder to bear. well also maria lost to serena in the aussie open 2005 after she has 3 match points so you know... thats life, the best thing you as lindsay fans and lindsay herself can do is to put these sad losses behind you, these matches were obviously shoulda woulda coulda matches for lindsay, but at the end of the day the result is final. dont look back on the losses that lindsay's had, why not the great wins? and even though im not a lindsay fan i think and hope she has it in her to win another slam, preferably the us open were maybe she could retire with a bang, so good luck to lindsay and i for one will miss her when she does retire, as i love her matches with sharapova except for 1 that is!!! lol

faboozadoo15
May 9th, 2006, 06:29 PM
I would think the Sharapova match would disgust her the most b/c 1)she was clearly the better player, and 2)there was no injury.
she was clearly the better player? who's to say that sharapova wasn't just SUCKING before the break? and afterwords, she was able to play her game. anyway, sharapova proved herself in the final, and i question whether lindsay would have been able to step it up against serena like maria did.

faboozadoo15
May 9th, 2006, 06:39 PM
What was so tricky about Sharapova's game that made it hard for Serena to figure out? :shrug:
you don't have to be tricky to be better.

did you even watch the 2004 wimbledon final? sharapova served HUGE and HIGH percentage and hit with extreme depth off both sides. She also didn't give up an free points to seren'as serve, consistently getting the ball back in play. also, sharapova hit some magical shots on that match, like her left handed forehand passing shot and her left handed forehand lob.

harloo
May 9th, 2006, 06:39 PM
I think the most devastating was Serena coming from behind at the 2005 AO and stealing the title from Lindsay. This match exemplified why mental strength is the most important factor in anyone's game. I read an article after Wimbledon and Lindsay said she wasn't really dissapointed with how Wimby 2005 shaped up, but the AO loss was heartbreaking both for her and the family she surrounds herself with.;)

Personally I think Lindsay's biggest missed opportunity was U.S. Open 2004 against a mediocre playing Sveta in the semis. If she could of gotten past Sveta then a non-serving Dementieva would of been waiting for her in the final. This was the perfect setup for Lindsay in my opinion.

zzachtan
May 9th, 2006, 07:08 PM
I think even in Lindsay's mind the one in AUS 05 stung the most. Remember after Wimbledon 05 she talked about how proud she was for fighting and how close it was, but she cried after the AUS 05 final

serenafann
May 9th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I voted for Wimbledon 05.

Maria Croft
May 9th, 2006, 07:32 PM
I think the US Open 2004 match

V-MAC
May 9th, 2006, 07:33 PM
That match point in the Wimbly final last year had to hurt the most. Although saying that, there was not a whole lot she could have done during that point, Vee played a solid shot to save the mp that Lindsay could do nothing about :shrug:

mr_burns
May 9th, 2006, 07:45 PM
kuznetsova....One simple reason, she owns her in every other match...so this one wasn't allowed to happen, against the 3 others she is used to lose sometimes, but not against kuzi...and the final against dementieva was a great chance...but maybe she would retired than...

lindsayno1
May 9th, 2006, 07:50 PM
I think even in Lindsay's mind the one in AUS 05 stung the most. Remember after Wimbledon 05 she talked about how proud she was for fighting and how close it was, but she cried after the AUS 05 final


she cried after the wimby 05 final too

:(


*edited* its a getty images pic whoops

goldenboi356
May 9th, 2006, 07:51 PM
i think loss against elena at USO could be one of the choices cause i honestly thought after her brilliant summer and the momentum going in, lind was the fav to win.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 07:54 PM
That match point in the Wimbly final last year had to hurt the most. Although saying that, there was not a whole lot she could have done during that point, Vee played a solid shot to save the mp that Lindsay could do nothing about :shrug:
Yes. She could've hit an ace or at least one of her big serves that would set up an easy point for her. I just don't think she did enough with her serves when it mattered.

mike/topgun
May 9th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Yes. She could've hit an ace or at least one of her big serves that would set up an easy point for her. I just don't think she did enough with her serves when it mattered.
It was Venus serving on the mp :p
Lindsay could do nothing about it - it was a hard, deep, flat and wide serve and Dav hit the bh return just somewhere nearer the middle of the court and that was it - a smashing bh inside-out from VW :bounce:

Kart
May 9th, 2006, 08:32 PM
US Open '04. She didn't get beat, she got hurt.

I agree.

Kimmi
May 9th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Wimbledon '05.
Match point...
Bad back...
Heartbreak...
It should have been hers...

Omigod, I can't believe how close Wimbledon is!

Andrew..
May 9th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Yes. She could've hit an ace or at least one of her big serves that would set up an easy point for her. I just don't think she did enough with her serves when it mattered.
That would have been hard to do, considering Venus was serving.

GrandSlam05
May 9th, 2006, 08:37 PM
It was Venus serving on the mp :p
Lindsay could do nothing about it - it was a hard, deep, flat and wide serve and Dav hit the bh return just somewhere nearer the middle of the court and that was it - a smashing bh inside-out from VW :bounce:
Thanks for the refresher Mike, but mainly I was referring to when Lindsay served for the match in the 2nd set and was broken at love. ;) I made that a little confusing by responding to V-Mac's post. I'm a :retard:

Andrew..
May 9th, 2006, 08:39 PM
US Open '04. She didn't get beat, she got hurt.
I agree. Lindsay was by far the best player on tour at that point, and was simply cruising through fields, dropping one set (to Osterloh :tape: ) since Stanford. The only thing that stopped her in that match was injury, plain and simple.

SAEKeithSerena
May 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM
wimbledon 2005. didn't capitalize on probably the biggest slam win of her career.

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the refresher Mike, but mainly I was referring to when Lindsay served for the match in the 2nd set and was broken at love. ;) I made that a little confusing by responding to V-Mac's post. I'm a :retard:

yeh you are a retard - no smily needed for that one!

HELLO!? In that game, Venus hit 3 winners and then Davenport hit a backhand long! Yeh, it could be argued that she could have strung off five points in a row from 0-40 down, but the way Venus was playing in that game and the tiebreaker I dont think so! :rolleyes:

You are giving really bad examples of what you are trying to explain! - :retard:

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 10:38 PM
yeh you are a retard - no smily needed for that one!

HELLO!? In that game, Venus hit 3 winners and then Davenport hit a backhand long! Yeh, it could be argued that she could have strung off five points in a row from 0-40 down, but the way Venus was playing in that game and the tiebreaker I dont think so! :rolleyes:

You are giving really bad examples of what you are trying to explain! - :retard:
:rolleyes: I am getting very annoyed with you Tom! :mad: I know your mom has told you not to argue with people who's intelligence is FAR BELOW your years! :fiery: GrandSlam05 needs psychological and emotional support. He's a mental wreck and it shows in his posts :sad: :hug:

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 10:42 PM
:rolleyes: I am getting very annoyed with you Tom! :mad: I know your mom has told you not to argue with people who's intelligence is FAR BELOW your years! :fiery: GrandSlam05 needs psychological and emotional support. He's a mental wreck and it shows in his posts :sad: :hug:

:devil: sometimes ppl just need putting in their places :lol:

!<blocparty>!
May 9th, 2006, 10:47 PM
LOLz. *cannot resist* :(

yeh you are a retard - no smily needed for that one!

HELLO!? In that game, Venus hit 3 winners and then Davenport hit a backhand long! Yeh, it could be argued that she could have strung off five points in a row from 0-40 down, but the way Venus was playing in that game and the tiebreaker I dont think so! :rolleyes:

You are giving really bad examples of what you are trying to explain! - :retard:

And I just gave you a good rep too.

Yes VEE! hit three winners, but, she was allowed to hit three winners, this is the point you're missing. Look at the serves Lindsay threw in, they were basically second serves with a bit more pace that gave Venus the edge in the rallies. Even in the tiebreak, she missed an easy forehand to get back to 5-5, instead it gave Venus 2 SP's.

le bon vivant
May 9th, 2006, 10:54 PM
LOLz. *cannot resist* :(



And I just gave you a good rep too.

Yes VEE! hit three winners, but, she was allowed to hit three winners, this is the point you're missing. Look at the serves Lindsay threw in, they were basically second serves with a bit more pace that gave Venus the edge in the rallies. Even in the tiebreak, she missed an easy forehand to get back to 5-5, instead it gave Venus 2 SP's.

Tut tut, remember how you said on MSN about how your opponent is playing is a GREAT determiner in how well you are playing and what you are able to do?

And plus, she missed a backhand. ;)

Brooks.
May 9th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Wimbledon 04 because she would have beaten Serena in the final and was winning...although I won't ever complain about that result.

I'm not too sure she would have beaten Serena in the final

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 10:58 PM
LOLz. *cannot resist* :(



And I just gave you a good rep too.

Yes VEE! hit three winners, but, she was allowed to hit three winners, this is the point you're missing. Look at the serves Lindsay threw in, they were basically second serves with a bit more pace that gave Venus the edge in the rallies. Even in the tiebreak, she missed an easy forehand to get back to 5-5, instead it gave Venus 2 SP's.

i would good rep you in return but i have to spread some more reputation points :lol:

Yeh ok, but I just find it really hard to read it when you guys say "Oh ok, you what IF she threw in a faster first serve" - oh well Venus would have missed the return and the match would be totally different? How do you know that!?
What about if Lindsay had put more pace on her first serves, but then missed them, which gave Venus an easier second server. There are so many possiblities that I hate these "well what if....." arguements.

To end this, all im saying is that, yes, it was a devastating loss for Lindsay, and a hard pill to swallow, but just dont generalise these things like "more first serves" etc into the match.

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 10:59 PM
Tut tut, remember how you said on MSN about how your opponent is playing is a GREAT determiner in how well you are playing and what you are able to do?

And plus, she missed a backhand. ;)

love it! :lol: I knew too but didnt wanna say anything.

The forehand u are probably thinkin of bloc_party is at 5-4 Dav at Deuce. :wavey:

!<blocparty>!
May 9th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Tut tut, remember how you said on MSN about how your opponent is playing is a GREAT determiner in how well you are playing and what you are able to do?

And plus, she missed a backhand. ;)

But, but by serving unreturnables, you don't allow your opponent to play. :tape:

Oh, oops. Good memory, especially since you erased the second set.

Summer Snow
May 9th, 2006, 11:01 PM
All I know is that Venus won that match!

TomTennis
May 9th, 2006, 11:03 PM
But, but by serving unreturnables, you don't allow your opponent to play. :tape:

Oh, oops. Good memory, especially since you erased the second set.

Ok, think of it like this. She is 6-5 up serving for the championship, does she either go for her big first serves and get an easy shot from Venus, or slow them down and let Venus miss, remember, Venus just played one of the poorest games of the match at 5-5 to be broken.

Venus' game just came as a suprise to her.

!<blocparty>!
May 9th, 2006, 11:08 PM
i would good rep you in return but i have to spread some more reputation points :lol:

Yeh ok, but I just find it really hard to read it when you guys say "Oh ok, you what IF she threw in a faster first serve" - oh well Venus would have missed the return and the match would be totally different? How do you know that!?
What about if Lindsay had put more pace on her first serves, but then missed them, which gave Venus an easier second server. There are so many possiblities that I hate these "well what if....." arguements.

To end this, all im saying is that, yes, it was a devastating loss for Lindsay, and a hard pill to swallow, but just dont generalise these things like "more first serves" etc into the match.

I know, I get your point. But the fact Venus hit three winners in that game wasn't ALL because of Venus, Lindsay had been serving really well throughout most of the tournament and it was just frustrating when she got a chance to serve it out, and went for the percentage tennis. OK, I'm not saying she should have come out smacking the shit out of the ball... just been more agressive on her first serve.

love it! I knew too but didnt wanna say anything.

The forehand u are probably thinkin of bloc_party is at 5-4 Dav at Deuce.

Forehand, backhand, does it matter? :shrug: I was talking about the tiebreaker.

Ok, think of it like this. She is 6-5 up serving for the championship, does she either go for her big first serves and get an easy shot from Venus, or slow them down and let Venus miss, remember, Venus just played one of the poorest games of the match at 5-5 to be broken.

Venus' game just came as a suprise to her.

She should have gone for her shots, like when she actually won slams.

vwfan
May 10th, 2006, 02:05 AM
Thanks for the refresher Mike, but mainly I was referring to when Lindsay served for the match in the 2nd set and was broken at love. ;) I made that a little confusing by responding to V-Mac's post. I'm a :retard:she didn't win a single point the entire game. Venus broke her at love with four outright winners. You really didn't watch the match! :tape:

MH0861
May 10th, 2006, 03:08 AM
she didn't win a single point the entire game. Venus broke her at love with four outright winners. You really didn't watch the match! :tape:

Venus did that when Linds served for the first set at 5-2 as well, right? I remember thinking OMGHEREWEGO! :o

RatedR Superstar
May 10th, 2006, 04:09 AM
vs masha, wimby 2004. lindsay was doing great then God interfered and made it rain :fiery: :lol:

hdfb
May 10th, 2006, 05:24 AM
'05 Wimby. As happy as I am for Venus, I think Lindsay needed it more then Venus did.

mike/topgun
May 10th, 2006, 09:41 AM
It was an exciting match and both played great - Venus came up with some unreturnable shots when it came to the big points why she surprised Dav on 5-2 in 1st and 6-5 in 2nd- that's why Lindsay was not all upset, and was proud she kept on fighting - and also it's true, that Dav went for some less risky serves when she was servng for the match, in other words she gave Venus the chance to come back and Vee took it, like one of the greatest champs would do. End of the story.

neptuneslims
May 10th, 2006, 09:43 AM
Wimbledon last year... that was heartbreaking. Unbelievable match.