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Infiniti2001
Apr 28th, 2006, 11:51 PM
By ERIN CARLSON, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

NEW YORK - He usually saves his beefs for other rappers; this time, 50 Cent is going after Oprah Winfrey.

In an interview with The Associated Press, 50 complained that Winfrey rarely invites rappers on her talk show: "I think she caters to older white women."

"Oprah's audience is my audience's parents," the 29-year-old rapper said. "So, I could care less about Oprah or her show."

He's not alone in his resentment toward the talk show host cum media mogul.

Rapper-actor Ludacris, aka Chris Bridges, said in the May issue of GQ magazine that Winfrey was "unfair" during a show he appeared on last October with co-stars from best-picture Oscar winner "Crash."

"She edited out a lot of my comments while keeping her own in," he said. "Of course, it's her show, but we were doing a show on racial discrimination, and she gave me a hard time as a rapper, when I came on there as an actor."

Winfrey's representative at her production company, Harpo, told the AP that Winfrey was unavailable for comment.

But, as 50 Cent said, Winfrey's purported disapproval might enhance a rap star's street cred.

"I'm actually better off having friction with her," he said.

The crack-dealer-turned-rapper has sold millions of records gleefully flaunting his gangsta image, explicit lyrics and bulletproof vest (he was famously shot nine times). He has his own record label, G-Unit, the G-Unit clothing line, his own sneaker line with Reebok and a videogame, "Bulletproof."

And he wears his rough-and-tumble reputation proudly: "I don't mind it. I've actually accepted it."

The rapper, who's signed to close pal Eminem's Shady/Aftermath label under Interscope Records, said he recently attended Proof's wake with Eminem. Proof, a friend of Eminem's, was shot and killed earlier this month during a dispute in a Detroit nightclub.

"He's coming along," he said of Eminem. "He's gonna be all right. I mean, it was definitely a big loss for him. Proof was actually his best friend in the world from forever."

On the heels of Proof's death, a study released last week by the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation _ a nonprofit public health research group _ suggested that young people who listen to rap music are more prone to alcohol and drug use and aggressive behavior.

But 50's not buying it.

He points a finger at parents, who he thinks should explain to their children that his music is a form of entertainment, not a license to break the law.

"I think that the violence that happened to Proof and the violence that's happening across America right now has nothing to do with hip-hop," he said. "It has something to do with the people _ the state of them _ and the music doesn't alter that."

http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index.jsp?cat=ENTERTAINMENT&fn=/2006/04/28/379769.html

Staticbeef
Apr 29th, 2006, 12:09 AM
On the heels of Proof's death, a study released last week by the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation _ a nonprofit public health research group _ suggested that young people who listen to rap music are more prone to alcohol and drug use and aggressive behavior.


I don't buy this argument. Maybe the aggresive part, Spoop gets busted and there was another shooting outside of Hot 97 (Shot 97)

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 12:15 AM
How is Oprah supposed to react to rappers that disrespect women and promote gangsta life? Why would 50 or Ludacris feel as if she should invite them to her show? They both embody everything she doesn't stand for.:confused:

DelMonte
Apr 29th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Argh, I hate 50 cent :fiery: (although I have to admit that song In Da Club was pretty catchy. :lol: )

!<blocparty>!
Apr 29th, 2006, 12:53 AM
LOLz. What a retard.

Scotso
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:01 AM
How is Oprah supposed to react to rappers that disrespect women and promote gangsta life? Why would 50 or Ludacris feel as if she should invite them to her show? They both embody everything she doesn't stand for.:confused:

Yeah, anything black isn't welcome around Oprah.

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Yeah, anything black isn't welcome around Oprah.

I guess her boyfriend of years Stedman and her best friend Gale aren't black. You are right. Oprah loves whites and only invites them to her show. :o

Scotso
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Please. Oprah wants nothing to do with the average black person in this country. I'm sure her friends are all richy types that were raised in white suburbs.

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Please. Oprah wants nothing to do with the average black person in this country. I'm sure her friends are all richy types that were raised in white suburbs.

I wasn't aware that you were so close to Oprah that you knew everything about her even the backgrounds of all her friends. :o :rolleyes: I guess her building homes for displaced Katrina victims meant nothing because she doesn't care about the average black person. ;)

Xanadu11
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:59 AM
50 cent is annoying

But I can see Ludracris' point. I remember watching that show.

jbone_0307
Apr 29th, 2006, 02:49 AM
Please. Oprah wants nothing to do with the average black person in this country. I'm sure her friends are all richy types that were raised in white suburbs.


dumbass!

Infiniti2001
Apr 29th, 2006, 03:44 AM
Please. Oprah wants nothing to do with the average black person in this country. I'm sure her friends are all richy types that were raised in white suburbs.

You are so wrong :eek: In addition to what she's doing for the Katrina victims, she's has adopted a whole village in South Africa. She's building a school right now--- I am so dying to see how it's progressing. You need to pay more attention Melisstorresfan :shrug:

Geisha
Apr 29th, 2006, 03:47 AM
Yeah, anything black isn't welcome around Oprah.

Have you seen her workers? They're practically all black.

Scotso
Apr 29th, 2006, 03:57 AM
I didn't know so many people were in love with Oprah. It's not hard to throw money at problems when you have that much. She's still a self-righteous bitch.

jbone_0307
Apr 29th, 2006, 04:10 AM
Nobody is in love with Oprah, its giving her respect when it's due. I don't give a fuck how much money she has, but for her to give back to all of the people she has, that sure is self-righteous isn't it. You need to do some research or just think before you post stupid shit like that.

RVD
Apr 29th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Personally, I felt tha Oprah did ambush Ludacris big time. :tape: The look on his face when she asked those rap questions and tried to corner and bully him into not using certain words in his songs... :lol: Not cool Oprah... :o

However, 50 Cent can kiss my !%*#. That no-talent-mumbling-busta-babygangsta-wannabe-crackbaby needs to please shut his damn mouth. He's making a fool of himself and gives all bruthas a bad name each and every dang time he opens his fat yapper!! :fiery:

I'm not a fan of Oprah, and never will be. But it's her show, and if you agree to do it [as a black man] you'd better be prepared to play by her rules. Personally, I believe that she still hates all bruthas. :shrug:

John A Roark
Apr 29th, 2006, 04:22 AM
Surprised to hear this from you, RV.
I must say she's always come across that way to me, tho'.
As an author, I just despise her book club, that's all.

Shenanigans
Apr 29th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Wasn't Opera abused as a child? Well it is no surprise she is put off by men who seem to glorify violence and treat women like they are whores!
I do not think it is just black men she is picking on, I am sure there are white men who would get the same treatment from Opera.

Diesel
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Personally, I felt tha Oprah did ambush Ludacris big time. :tape: The look on his face when she asked those rap questions and tried to corner and bully him into not using certain words in his songs... :lol: Not cool Oprah... :o



She did, which is one reason why I was glad Don Cheadle was on and was more of a counter with Oprah.

Kunal
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:23 AM
fiddy is doing this for more pr quite simple.

and pathetic to be honest

Stamp Paid
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:26 AM
Although I dont necessarily agree with the racial stuff, I still think Oprah is a self righteous bitch.

Black Mamba.
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:32 AM
50 would start beef with his grandma if it meant getting more pub.

Rocketta
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:33 AM
Like Oprah is even going waste her breath to comment about 50 and his ig-nant tail. :rolleyes:

and what's up with holding Oprah to this perfect standard? She's not perfect and like all of us she has likes and dislikes....the only difference is that she gets to tell them to the world. She's not the only 50 something black woman who can't stand rap....and she won't be the last. I don't think she has something against Black men I think she has something against trifling men... :shrug:

Wigglytuff
Apr 29th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Personally, I felt tha Oprah did ambush Ludacris big time. :tape: The look on his face when she asked those rap questions and tried to corner and bully him into not using certain words in his songs... :lol: Not cool Oprah... :o

However, 50 Cent can kiss my !%*#. That no-talent-mumbling-busta-babygangsta-wannabe-crackbaby needs to please shut his damn mouth. He's making a fool of himself and gives all bruthas a bad name each and every dang time he opens his fat yapper!! :fiery:

I'm not a fan of Oprah, and never will be. But it's her show, and if you agree to do it [as a black man] you'd better be prepared to play by her rules. Personally, I believe that she still hates all bruthas. :shrug:
I completely agree oprah totally bullied ludicrous. that's not the only person shes bullied, I still think she was fucked up in how she treated the guy who lied in his book, acting like she aint never to a lie or like 50% of her guests are not lying ass bitches, and yet she's never gone of like that. the poor man was about to committ suicide right then and there. anyway, I digress oprah is at times a bully, but its her show and she can do as she pleases plus mr. I got shot nine times is exactly what you say he is

CJ07
Apr 29th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Yeah, anything black isn't welcome around Oprah.
So are you saying in order to black you have to be "gangsta"?

CJ07
Apr 29th, 2006, 07:05 AM
Please. Oprah wants nothing to do with the average black person in this country. I'm sure her friends are all richy types that were raised in white suburbs.
You're stereotyping far too much, its not even funny.

Oprah tries to promote education, class and character for blacks.

Three things, that at least on the surface, 50 Cent lacks.

DutchieGirl
Apr 29th, 2006, 07:09 AM
Wasn't Opera abused as a child? Well it is no surprise she is put off by men who seem to glorify violence and treat women like they are whores!
I do not think it is just black men she is picking on, I am sure there are white men who would get the same treatment from Opera.

She was raped, when she was like 13-14 or something - that much I know.

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Like Oprah is even going waste her breath to comment about 50 and his ig-nant tail. :rolleyes:

and what's up with holding Oprah to this perfect standard? She's not perfect and like all of us she has likes and dislikes....the only difference is that she gets to tell them to the world. She's not the only 50 something black woman who can't stand rap....and she won't be the last. I don't think she has something against Black men I think she has something against trifling men... :shrug:

Ludacris ego must of been shattered because he continues to talk about his apperance on Oprah's show like he's obsessed. I recently read an interview in GQ where Ludacris said that he wasn't really invited to the show and that he wanted to be respected as an actor by Oprah. He seriously must of been delusional if he thought his lyrics wasn't going to be questioned. Considering he was promoting a movie that dealt with racial stereotypes it's pretty much a given that his music was going to be examined.

I've never been a big fan of O because honestly she has a legion of followers that worships her every move, but she is right on this one. She should never have 50 cent or Ludacris on her show. I agree she doesn't have an issue with black men in general however I do think she does have issues with gangsta rappers. She did have Kayne West and Common on her show.;)

John A Roark
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:12 AM
So are you saying in order to black you have to be "gangsta"?
That's been pretty much the assumption in most places.
Race aside, any emulation of 'gangstas' or 'pimps' is really off the mark.
It renders the imitator irrelevant at best and deficient, certainly.
I fail to see the fascination with crime, criminals, or otherwise sub-rosa behavior.

Jakeev
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:12 AM
How is Oprah supposed to react to rappers that disrespect women and promote gangsta life? Why would 50 or Ludacris feel as if she should invite them to her show? They both embody everything she doesn't stand for.:confused:

Damn if you heard that loud boom outside your window it was my drunken fat arsefalling off my chair because I read and actually agreed with something Harloo said:eek:

Jakeev
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:17 AM
Yeah, anything black isn't welcome around Oprah.

Um are you sure it's Oprah you are watching?:scratch:

Amanda
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:22 AM
LOL! Like Oprah really cares about some low life, crack dealer who disrespects women and himself. What a total a-hole.

RVD
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:33 AM
Surprised to hear this from you, RV.
I must say she's always come across that way to me, tho'.
As an author, I just despise her book club, that's all.Why surprised?
I see Oprah for what she truly is. I've followed her show through the years because my mother used to LOOOOOVE her. And now mom knows what I despise about the woman. She's a fake-phony-pander-to-the-rich-elite-money-crowd-arse-kisser. But again, it's her show, and her rules. :shrug:

And apparently, Venus and Serena felt the same as me when they did her show.
They didn't trust that heffa one iota. :haha:

fnuf7
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Hehe, I don't really like 50 Cent but I also hate the worshipping of Oprah that seems to go on over in the US, I just really don't get why everyone seems to adore her and why she has such influence over things :scratch: I just find her really annoying, and simply cannot sit through that show of hers, it's just so annoying on so many levels! :fiery: ;)

RVD
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:49 AM
Ludacris ego must of been shattered because he continues to talk about his apperance on Oprah's show like he's obsessed. I recently read an interview in GQ where Ludacris said that he wasn't really invited to the show and that he wanted to be respected as an actor by Oprah. He seriously must of been delusional if he thought his lyrics wasn't going to be questioned. Considering he was promoting a movie that dealt with racial stereotypes it's pretty much a given that his music was going to be examined.

I've never been a big fan of O because honestly she has a legion of followers that worships her every move, but she is right on this one. She should never have 50 cent or Ludacris on her show. I agree she doesn't have an issue with black men in general however I do think she does have issues with gangsta rappers. She did have Kayne West and Common on her show.;)Somewhere around the first couple of seasons of The Oprah Show, she did this interview or article where she disparaged ALL black men. I'm sure someone here who is very familiar with Oprah knows what I'm talking about. I just recall being young and thinking, [I]"DAMN! I'm not like that!" And I just never watched her again. I suppose that she could have changed her views, but it certainly doesn't look like it from my perspective. :shrug:

Oh yeah, and for anyone who thinks Oprah gave away those cars out of the goodness of her heart...
I just have two words for you—



TAXABLE DONATIONS! :haha:

Woman is a billionaire! and not stupid. She knows how to keep her billion. ;)

Dana Marcy
Apr 29th, 2006, 03:28 PM
How is Oprah supposed to react to rappers that disrespect women and promote gangsta life? Why would 50 or Ludacris feel as if she should invite them to her show? They both embody everything she doesn't stand for.:confused:

Agreed but Ludacris has a GOOD point. He went on there with the cast of Crash as an actor. Oprah was out of line to use that time to criticize hip hop. If she wanted to do it then invite a bunch of rappers and tell them ahead of time (to be fair to them) that she was going to put hip hop on blast. I'm sure some of them (knowing that in advance) would still guest on the show. I wish Oprah would do it and get it all out in the open with the rappers and rap music.

Rocketta
Apr 29th, 2006, 03:39 PM
First off, everyone who watches Oprah knows the car company donated the cars because they were a new line they were trying to promote...Second, Oprah only paid the taxes for the cars, third the generosity came in the fact that her show thought up the concept, approached Pontiac and went to great lengths to fill her audience with people in desperate need of a car or a new car.

It's not that Oprah is giving away her own personal money (which she does) it's that she is using her celebrity and show to help many many people, she is using her fame and show as a vehicle to organize people to help others....but if some of y'all actually watched the show you would know that.

Tell me another show that would've brought attention to the problem in Africa of young girls having babies too young and it causing bladder and bowel problems where they are leaking pee and feces? They are ostricized from society and sometimes killed.....Who knew this was going on before Oprah's show in the US?

and please point out the Billionaire that's not bougee? People change, thankfully... If you have that kind of money for years you would change too....ie, you would learn to accept different things as normal for you.

TdF_DBLL
Apr 29th, 2006, 04:14 PM
Can't understand some of those stupid rappers.

Infiniti2001
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:14 PM
First off, everyone who watches Oprah knows the car company donated the cars because they were a new line they were trying to promote...Second, Oprah only paid the taxes for the cars, third the generosity came in the fact that her show thought up the concept, approached Pontiac and went to great lengths to fill her audience with people in desperate need of a car or a new car.

It's not that Oprah is giving away her own personal money (which she does) it's that she is using her celebrity and show to help many many people, she is using her fame and show as a vehicle to organize people to help others....but if some of y'all actually watched the show you would know that.

Tell me another show that would've brought attention to the problem in Africa of young girls having babies too young and it causing bladder and bowel problems where they are leaking pee and feces? They are ostricized from society and sometimes killed.....Who knew this was going on before Oprah's show in the US?

and please point out the Billionaire that's not bougee? People change, thankfully... If you have that kind of money for years you would change too....ie, you would learn to accept different things as normal for you.

:worship: :worship: Gosh I wish I could find the article for those who think Oprah is anti black to see the # of black kids she sends to college... Apart from Bill Cosby and Magic Johnson , the late Lou Rawls , how many of the other black celebrities do this?? Too often some in the black community hate on their own because they are successful... It's like they want them to cater/pander only to the black plight --- actually it's almost as if they want /expect all black folk to stay in the gutters :tape:

spartanfan
Apr 29th, 2006, 05:59 PM
:worship: :worship: Gosh I wish I could find the article for those who think Oprah is anti black to see the # of black kids she sends to college... Apart from Bill Cosby and Magic Johnson , the late Lou Rawls , how many of the other black celebrities do this?? Too often some in the black community hate on their own because they are successful... It's like they want them to cater/pander only to the black plight --- actually it's almost as if they want /expect all black folk to stay in the gutters :tape:


I totally agree with what both of you all have said. While I never watch Oprah, cause I have a day job, I do see her as a positive role model, not just to black Americans but all Americans and others in the world. And there are plenty of people who have a problem with rappers like 50 and Luda. They're not positive anythings..and the image they carry and what they rap about aren't things to be glorified.

Mother_Marjorie
Apr 29th, 2006, 06:17 PM
50 cent is annoying

But I can see Ludracris' point. I remember watching that show.

And everytime the largely forgotten about 50 Cent needs a little publicity for his sputtering career, he just so happends to have an issue with someone. Just a few months ago it was Kanye West, now its Oprah.

He's a triffling thug. 50 has had his 15. Its about closing time.

Crazy Canuck
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:23 PM
First off, everyone who watches Oprah knows the car company donated the cars because they were a new line they were trying to promote...Second, Oprah only paid the taxes for the cars, third the generosity came in the fact that her show thought up the concept, approached Pontiac and went to great lengths to fill her audience with people in desperate need of a car or a new car.

It's not that Oprah is giving away her own personal money (which she does) it's that she is using her celebrity and show to help many many people, she is using her fame and show as a vehicle to organize people to help others....but if some of y'all actually watched the show you would know that.

Tell me another show that would've brought attention to the problem in Africa of young girls having babies too young and it causing bladder and bowel problems where they are leaking pee and feces? They are ostricized from society and sometimes killed.....Who knew this was going on before Oprah's show in the US?

and please point out the Billionaire that's not bougee? People change, thankfully... If you have that kind of money for years you would change too....ie, you would learn to accept different things as normal for you.

:worship: :yeah:

Oprah has her flaws, just like the rest of us. But that doesn't change the fact that she's worked hard to make positive changes in the lives of so many people. She's a wonderful role model for women.

vogus
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:28 PM
:worship: :yeah:

Oprah has her flaws, just like the rest of us. But that doesn't change the fact that she's worked hard to make positive changes in the lives of so many people. She's a wonderful role model for women.


Role model? Winfrey, like Martha Stewart, is quintessential American pop culture trash.

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Somewhere around the first couple of seasons of The Oprah Show, she did this interview or article where she disparaged ALL black men. I'm sure someone here who is very familiar with Oprah knows what I'm talking about. I just recall being young and thinking, [i]"DAMN! I'm not like that!" And I just never watched her again. I suppose that she could have changed her views, but it certainly doesn't look like it from my perspective. :shrug:


I am not disputing your claims ReeVee because I know her show is mainly pro-woman. However I would like to know exactly what was said and in what context. If O seriously had a problem with ALL black men then why would she get in a relationship with one?:D

While I don't follow her show religiously occasionally my dvr picks up the episodes I'm interested in. For the most part she has a diverse guest list which includes many black males. Colin Powell, Barack Obama, Sidney Poitier, etc have all appeared on her show. ;)

Infiniti2001
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Role model? Winfrey, like Martha Stewart, is quintessential American pop culture trash.

Are you always bitter like this in your real life on a daily basis?? :shrug: I don't think I can remember anything positive you've contributed to any discussion over the years :rolleyes: :tape:

Infiniti2001
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:38 PM
I am not disputing your claims ReeVee because I know her show is mainly pro-woman. However I would like to know exactly what was said and in what context. If O seriously had a problem with ALL black men then why would she get in a relationship with one?:D

While I don't follow her show religiously occasionally my dvr picks up the episodes I'm interested in. For the most part she has a diverse guest list which includes many black males. Colin Powell, Barack Obama, Sidney Poitier, etc have all appeared on her show. ;)

Exactly!!! Most if not all the people she holds in high regard are black. My God she fawns over Mya Angelo , Nelson Mandela, and Sidney Poitier on a regular basis. Her hair and makeup people are all black males who have been with her for donkey years :lol: If that's not enough then I don't know :shrug: I'm sorry, but Ludacris and 50 have done nothing to be worthy of the respect of any black woman outside their immediate families :tape:

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Agreed but Ludacris has a GOOD point. He went on there with the cast of Crash as an actor. Oprah was out of line to use that time to criticize hip hop. If she wanted to do it then invite a bunch of rappers and tell them ahead of time (to be fair to them) that she was going to put hip hop on blast. I'm sure some of them (knowing that in advance) would still guest on the show. I wish Oprah would do it and get it all out in the open with the rappers and rap music.

Have you seen Crash? The subject matter is about racial stereotypes so it's a no brainer that his rap lyrics would come into question during his apperance on the show. He was introduced to the world as a rapper and that status helped him seal a part in Crash(which is a whole other issue).

Maybe O could of approached the situation differently because he seems deeply hurt by her line of questioning. When O' reily called him dumb and a low class thug he wasn't this vocal. And Oprah will probably never have a group of rappers on her show to discuss the issues she has with them. In the GQ interview Ludacris said Oprah didn't want to empower them. I think the show would be interesting. I'm going to see if I can find the interview, hopefully I didn't trash the magazine yet.;)

harloo
Apr 29th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Damn if you heard that loud boom outside your window it was my drunken fat arsefalling off my chair because I read and actually agreed with something Harloo said:eek:

Awe Jakeev I've always known that you would eventually come around. :bounce: :lol: ;) :D

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 29th, 2006, 09:53 PM
LOL - I love how people diss Oprah and she could care less because she keeps on keepin' on! :)

Paneru
Apr 29th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Am I the only one who finds it a hoot
that lil' ol' Oprah is getting all these so-called
hard thug rappa's tighty whities all
in a bunch? :lol:

And the fact that he's even talking
about it shows he cares! :p

Guess they all aren't as "Hard" as they
think they are or try to portray that they are. :devil:

Paneru
Apr 29th, 2006, 10:05 PM
LOL - I love how people diss Oprah and she could care less because she keeps on keepin' on! :)

Isn't that the truth though! :haha:

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:23 AM
First off, everyone who watches Oprah knows the car company donated the cars because they were a new line they were trying to promote...Second, Oprah only paid the taxes for the cars, third the generosity came in the fact that her show thought up the concept, approached Pontiac and went to great lengths to fill her audience with people in desperate need of a car or a new car.Are you saying that Oprah didn't write these off as taxable donations? Oprah is a shrewd businesswoman, and will do whatever it takes to draw in her 'targeted' audience. Any business with any business since will see the added benefit of being associated with her, They have their bottom line to consider, just as Oprah does. As far as the show's concept, Oprah is directly involved and has final say. :shrug: There are obviously several ways of looking at what drives Oprah, but the bottom line is ultimnately 'her' bottom line.
It's not that Oprah is giving away her own personal money (which she does) it's that she is using her celebrity and show to help many many people, she is using her fame and show as a vehicle to organize people to help others....but if some of y'all actually watched the show you would know that.Oprah isn't the only show that supposedly helps those in need. But the behind-the-scenes dealings are something we aren't privy to. A successful business is one that makes money by oftentimes malicious means. To think that Oprah is above the frey is naive.
Tell me another show that would've brought attention to the problem in Africa of young girls having babies too young and it causing bladder and bowel problems where they are leaking pee and feces? They are ostricized from society and sometimes killed.....Who knew this was going on before Oprah's show in the US?That's commendable. But I would be even more impressed if she concentrated on the problems plaquing the youths here. :shrug: Why go outside the country when she could educate people about the horrors of this country. This is just one of my problems with Oprah.
and please point out the Billionaire that's not bougee? People change, thankfully... If you have that kind of money for years you would change too....ie, you would learn to accept different things as normal for you.You're right...many of them are. However, my feelings concerning Oprah stems from what she sated about ALL black men years ago. She make a blanket statement that had Black woman hat'n on us all. And that's just something I can't admire. especially since she knows that she's worshiped by her followers. I'm sorry Rocky, but she's just done nothing to change my opinion of her.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:36 AM
To chide Oprah because she doesn't focus soley on American youth is quite arrogant and I find it inspiring for her to drive her energy towards the problems of children of various stripes - it makes me see her in an even better light. :)

Oprah has done WAY more good than any harm whatsoever and because of that, the world is a better place.

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:39 AM
I am not disputing your claims ReeVee because I know her show is mainly pro-woman. However I would like to know exactly what was said and in what context. If O seriously had a problem with ALL black men then why would she get in a relationship with one?:D harloo, I have tried to locate the transcripts of the article, but have not met with success. It had to do with an interview she gave where she detailed being raped by a relative. Then a question was asked about her and Black men, in which she responded very negatively. It was around the time she did 'The Color Purple'. She made it a point to define this as a reason to why she portrayed her character the way she did. That's cool and all, and her opinion. But many took it to mean that all black men where [negative] this way. And that was the last thing I needed to hear at that time in my life.
While I don't follow her show religiously occasionally my dvr picks up the episodes I'm interested in. For the most part she has a diverse guest list which includes many black males. Colin Powell, Barack Obama, Sidney Poitier, etc have all appeared on her show. ;)Yeah, in her latter years she softened significantly where black men are concerned. But I can't help feel that it was strictly for 'business' reasons. She has a show that makes money off of 'family' topics, so how would it look if she continued to disparage the 'all' black men, yet exalt all others on her shows?

As an aside, apparently Stedman has apparently called it quits and broke with their relationship a week or two ago. At this point it;s just hearsay. But that's the word on the streets and a magazine article I read while browsing last week. :lol:

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:51 AM
This is the best rumor I've heard about Oprah yet. :lol:
http://www.postersarts.com/celebritygossip.htm
Story came out August 4, 2005:
Lucy Diamonds: Oprah Winfrey is gay
Oprah Winfrey can’t stop me. She might have prevented my Apple iTunes release, but she can’t prevent everyone from hearing me. She wants to keep me hidden from the public like her expensive and highly deadly drug habit. She is nothing but a master manipulator! She’s made herself a media tycoon by pretending to be a victim her whole life to sell her sob story to the millions of people who will be sympathetic and has joined the leagues of snakes who turn charity into a business. It’s sickening.

Apple iTunes was supposed to release my singles, “Sorry Right Number I & II” today in 18 countries, but got scared when Oprah demanded that the song not be released. I guess I ruffled some feathers with both Oprah and Apple but so what? Why even worry about Steve Jobs when we’ve got Bill Gates? Why worry about Oprah when we’ve got Ellen?

Still, I’m very surprised at the last-minute bully stance by Apple/Oprah. I’m disappointed that Apple would destroy a business relationship for the sake of sparing someone’s feelings. What about freedom of speech? It’s sad that Oprah can always express her point of view on people, politics, or whatever in negative fashion and that’s okay. But I can’t voice my opinion? I’m not allowed to say anything bad about anybody because I don’t have the world sympathizing with my sob story?
I ain't saying any of this is true. I'm just having some fun at Oprah's expense. :devil:

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:47 AM
oh please there is a Oprah's gay, Stedman broke up with her, Stedman's gay rumour every week. :shrug:

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:59 AM
Are you saying that Oprah didn't write these off as taxable donations? Oprah is a shrewd businesswoman, and will do whatever it takes to draw in her 'targeted' audience. Any business with any business since will see the added benefit of being associated with her, They have their bottom line to consider, just as Oprah does. As far as the show's concept, Oprah is directly involved and has final say. :shrug: There are obviously several ways of looking at what drives Oprah, but the bottom line is ultimnately 'her' bottom line.

Um Oprah didn't pay for the cars so how can she right that off her taxes? :scratch: Pontiac donated the cars....they will definitely right it off their taxes....Oprah paid for the taxes owed by the audience...she will right that off. Years and Years ago when Oprah decided not to do anymore 'typical' talk show fodder she had no concept that it would be successful....you can't say money was her motivation because she didn't have a clue that it would be successful for her.....She did it because she believed that was the right direction to go.


Oprah isn't the only show that supposedly helps those in need. But the behind-the-scenes dealings are something we aren't privy to. A successful business is one that makes money by oftentimes malicious means. To think that Oprah is above the frey is naive.

Never said Oprah was the only show but she is certainly the leader. And those other shows don't have the money or clout to help as many people as Oprah has. Did you see the show where they opened the first homes for Katrina victims? I haven't seen another show fund or organize anything on that level.


That's commendable. But I would be even more impressed if she concentrated on the problems plaquing the youths here. :shrug: Why go outside the country when she could educate people about the horrors of this country. This is just one of my problems with Oprah.

Once again if you actually watched her show you would know that there were children there when they gave those 'families' those new homes...that's helping America's children by helping their parents. So when Oprah empowers women to change their lives or seek help that's doing a whole lot for America's children. I use to wear a tee-shirt in college that was based on an African proverb....'Educate a woman and you educate a nation' and it's so true. Don't underestimate the effect of helping kids mother's does to help them.

Also, I didn't say she only helps African children...I just said name one other show that would've brought those African women's plight to our attention as a nation?


You're right...many of them are. However, my feelings concerning Oprah stems from what she sated about ALL black men years ago. She make a blanket statement that had Black woman hat'n on us all. And that's just something I can't admire. especially since she knows that she's worshiped by her followers. I'm sorry Rocky, but she's just done nothing to change my opinion of her.

Well ReeVee I just hope there isn't someone out there discounting all the good that you do now based on a statement or an action you made twenty years ago? :shrug:

btw, tell me what magazine the article was in maybe I can look it up in our database?

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Are you saying that Oprah didn't write these off as taxable donations? Oprah is a shrewd businesswoman, and will do whatever it takes to draw in her 'targeted' audience.
thats my thing, people talk about how caring she is all that jazz, but my question is, how much of her caring is written of in her taxes. for all the people who talk about she is this great giver, it all seems like a tax deductible illusion. if one wants to talk about giving for givings sakes, (not this tax break bullshit) its all about the gates. i would bet that they give several times more to black organizations and causes than oprah does (either in dollars or percentage) and they are lily white

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2006, 03:45 AM
thats my thing, people talk about how caring she is all that jazz, but my question is, how much of her caring is written of in her taxes. for all the people who talk about she is this great giver, it all seems like a tax deductible illusion. if one wants to talk about giving for givings sakes, (not this tax break bullshit) its all about the gates. i would bet that they give several times more to black organizations and causes than oprah does (either in dollars or percentage) and they are lily white

Jiggly every American writes off charity on their taxes including all the money they tithe to their church I believe. I deduct the $150 every year I give to the United Way.......does that mean that my donation wasn't genuine? :confused:

Why can't Oprah use the same tax break that is offered to every American to entice them to give more? Why is she exempt or her motives questioned for something that we all do. BTW, with all that is available there are still plenty of rich people who don't give away anything......:shrug:

Matter of fact most middle to poor Americans give way a higher percentage of their money and time away to charity.....so if Oprah wasn't about Charity wouldn't she be one of those rich people who keep all their money to themselves? You know like the Bushes. :o :o :o

G~Playa
Apr 30th, 2006, 03:49 AM
50 Aint Evn A Rapper Anymore, He's a Fckin Pop singer, Listen to Best Friends Remix

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2006, 03:51 AM
Oh and Bill Gates for years didn't give money and was talked about like a dog....He had planned to do things later on but changed his mind and started giving to schools and I'd take that bet that he's not utilizing tax breaks on all his charity....and Oprah doesn't necessarily talk about the charities that she donates to as an individual...she's been concentrating on what the Angel network is doing and that's her audience.

and here's my view on rich people and charity? We all have a part to play it's not just on the riches backs that charity should flow....I think we hold the rich to a standard that we ourselves do not meet as a whole. :shrug:

G~Playa
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Man, Y'all Should Watch "Stop Snitching, Stop Lying"

It Exposes 50 Cent..

Joan Rivers
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Get in line, 50 - I've been sounding off about Oprah since the 80s! When we were rival chat show hosts and I started beating Oprah in the ratings, she got desperate. When I became the first person in years to get the Daytime Emmy Talk Show Host award over Oprah, she got plain nasty - and of course, I had to respect that.

When she got nasty though suddenly every week was A Very Special Oprah Winfrey Show - "Will Oprah get into her thin jeans this week?!" And then came the Maya freaking Angelou specials. And Maya was obviously getting a script every time. I mean, why else would Maya start on about all Jewish comediennes going to hell for their sins?

I gotta say though I quit at the top of the ratings because I knew it was time - unlike Oprah. How many more times can we have Patti La Belle as a "special surprise guest" every season and Maya Angelou making Oprah cry? Mind you as long as doing her show keeps her away from doing another "Beloved", it's a blessing!

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:49 AM
Her reputation was tarnished by the James Frey scandal.
If anything it showed Oprah in a more positive light, laying the smackdown on Frey and Frey actually "confessed" the whole thing on her show.

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:05 AM
Oh, what have I gotten myself into? :lol:
Rocketta, the last person I want to get into a debate over is Oprah. :)
But I'll give you my personal take on her.
Um Oprah didn't pay for the cars so how can she right that off her taxes? :scratch: Pontiac donated the cars....they will definitely right it off their taxes....Oprah paid for the taxes owed by the audience...she will right that off. Years and Years ago when Oprah decided not to do anymore 'typical' talk show fodder she had no concept that it would be successful....you can't say money was her motivation because she didn't have a clue that it would be successful for her.....She did it because she believed that was the right direction to go.So here's the deal...
I never once suggested that Oprah paid for those vehicles. My position is that whatever money she did put out, she would be able to write off as taxable donations. As I said before, she is a business woman and will thus take advantage of such exemptions. At any rate, according to this article published by CNNMoney.COM ... http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/22/news/newsmakers/oprah_car_tax/?cnn=yes , Oprah left the payment of taxes to the winners. "...some of those eager prize-winners have a choice: Fork over $7,000 or give up the car.

According to a spokeswomen for Harpo Productions Inc., Oprah's company, the recipients must pay a tax on the winnings, just like any prize.

For a brand new Pontiac G-Six, the model given away on the show, the sticker price is $28,500. The $28,500 would need to be claimed as income so, depending on the individuals tax bracket, the tax could be as high as $7,000. And that was after Pontiac agreed to pay most of the local charges, including state sales tax and licensing fees."

The Harpo Spokeswomen said winners had three choices. They could keep the car and pay the tax, sell the car and pay the tax with the profits or forfeit the car. This second article http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/09/15/biz_biz1yoprha.html also answers question I had concerning the Pontiac / Oprah deal. I didn't specifically know what Oprah got out of the deal until reading this.
Pontiac received a ready-made female audience and mega-hits on it's web sites, and Oprah received incredible publicity and increased viewer ship. :) Both parties benefitted. Incidentally, this was an interesting article.
Never said Oprah was the only show but she is certainly the leader. And those other shows don't have the money or clout to help as many people as Oprah has. Did you see the show where they opened the first homes for Katrina victims? I haven't seen another show fund or organize anything on that level.Fair enough. As far as other shows that do this, Extreme Home Makeover does it every week. And if I recall, about 1 1/2 years ago, I believe a show called 'The Benefactor' gave away $1Million. I've seen other shows like this because wifie likes watching them, but I don't have the energy or desire to look them all up.
Once again if you actually watched her show you would know that there were children there when they gave those 'families' those new homes...that's helping America's children by helping their parents. So when Oprah empowers women to change their lives or seek help that's doing a whole lot for America's children. I use to wear a tee-shirt in college that was based on an African proverb....'Educate a woman and you educate a nation' and it's so true. Don't underestimate the effect of helping kids mother's does to help them.Actually, I have watched the show, make than I care to admit, but the woman gives me a headache with her holier-than-thou smug attitude. And unfortunately, my wife can't get enough of her, So I'm a captive viewer at times. ;)
Also, I didn't say she only helps African children...I just said name one other show that would've brought those African women's plight to our attention as a nation? Why are you putting words in my mouth? For goodness sakes, I never said that all she helps are African children. Where is this coming from? :confused: *sigh* What I wrote was the following ...That's commendable. But I would be even more impressed if she concentrated on the problems plaguing the youths here. Why go outside the country when she could educate people about the horrors of this country. This is just one of my problems with Oprah.
Well ReeVee I just hope there isn't someone out there discounting all the good that you do now based on a statement or an action you made twenty years ago? :shrug::lol: Well, when I start a business where the bottom line [you know...that all mighty dollar] becomes the driving force in my life, and people treat me like a god, and I start to believe it myself, then I'll left cha know. :wavey:

Incidentally, what I do, I do out of the goodness of my heart, and without the benefit of shameless marketing ploys. Also, I do more with my meager earning than Oprah could ever do. So I'd get off that high horse of Oprah's that you're on before you hurt yourself.btw, tell me what magazine the article was in maybe I can look it up in our database?*sigh* I already addressed this in post #54.

Lastly, people are free to worship Oprah all they want, but she's no one that I can admire, or care to.
Because others feel she's god, doesn't mean I will or do. She's just another head in the business world making boo-coo bucks while fooling those she supposedly caters to.

DutchieGirl
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:09 AM
Why are you putting words in my mouth? For goodness sakes, I never said that all she helps are African children. Where is this coming from? :confused: *sigh* What I wrote was the following ...


No but you were having a go at her for helping children in Africa instead of helping (yet more) children in America, so it sounds like you mean she should ONLY help children in America, and nowhere else.

I think it's good she's helping people outside her country, coz basically it's the 1st world's fault that Africa is in such a shitty state anyway!

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:17 AM
No but you were having a go at her for helping children in Africa instead of helping (yet more) children in America, so it sounds like you mean she should ONLY help children in America, and nowhere else.

I think it's good she's helping people outside her country, coz basically it's the 1st world's fault that Africa is in such a shitty state anyway!Forgive me, but what does 'having a go at...' mean? :confused:
Honestly folks, Oprah can do whatever she wants. :lol: I just don't view her as some godhead like many here do. :shrug: I just see her differently than than those who love her do.

DutchieGirl
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:41 AM
Forgive me, but what does 'having a go at...' mean? :confused:
Honestly folks, Oprah can do whatever she wants. :lol: I just don't view her as some godhead like many here do. :shrug: I just see her differently than than those who love her do.

having a go = dissing. ;)

I'm not particularly an Oprah follower - I don't watch her show that often, and we are well behind the US - but I think that if she's trying to help people - no matter where they live, and if she can claim it back on tax, then it's still a good thing. :D

Jakeev
Apr 30th, 2006, 12:18 PM
Role model? Winfrey, like Martha Stewart, is quintessential American pop culture trash.

Martha and Oprah are quintessential American pop culture trash? Vogus honey do me a favor and stop trying to use words you clearly don't understand......

RVD
Apr 30th, 2006, 12:44 PM
having a go = dissing. ;) Oh..okay. :lol:
I suppose it could be viewed as such. :lol:
I'm not particularly an Oprah follower - I don't watch her show that often, and we are well behind the US - but I think that if she's trying to help people - no matter where they live, and if she can claim it back on tax, then it's still a good thing. :DIf it's purely to 'help' people while not expecting to turn a profit, then I agree. :wavey:

Paneru
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:53 PM
If anything it showed Oprah in a more positive light, laying the smackdown on Frey and Frey actually "confessed" the whole thing on her show.

Not to mention that she admitted she was wrong and
had on her show newspaperwriters who slammed her
in the press. And even they commeneded her for fessing
up to her mistake.

So, Oprah may miss some shots but she
rebounds like no other. :cool:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Jiggly every American writes off charity on their taxes including all the money they tithe to their church I believe. I deduct the $150 every year I give to the United Way.......does that mean that my donation wasn't genuine? :confused:

Why can't Oprah use the same tax break that is offered to every American to entice them to give more? Why is she exempt or her motives questioned for something that we all do. BTW, with all that is available there are still plenty of rich people who don't give away anything......:shrug:

Matter of fact most middle to poor Americans give way a higher percentage of their money and time away to charity.....so if Oprah wasn't about Charity wouldn't she be one of those rich people who keep all their money to themselves? You know like the Bushes. :o :o :o

umm i think you missed the point.... let me say it a different way...

both the gates and oprah have more money than they can possibly spend in a life or 20. oprah gives but only is some as is tax deductible even though the rest just sits around collecting interest, this is particularly selfish considering she has no kids. the gates, who also have more money than could be spent in a lifetime or 20, give away for more than they could possibly deduct. in fact they only keep about 50% of what they make each year AND THEY HAVE KIDS.... and for all this talk about how generous she is, oprah doesnt give away anyway near that. now if you are already a billionaire and cant possibly spend it all, dont have kids, how easy it would be to give away 50% or even 25% of what you make each year... its so easy, its kind of selfish not too, particularly when you want everyone to be all like "look at me i am so generous, but of course i am not going to be more generous than i need to deduct it from my taxes even though i am billionaire already and have no kids, and the money is doing nothing but collecting interest i will never use." thats not generosity, not anyway never it. if you want to see generosity like i said look at the gates, oprah is little more than cheap imitation of what generosity and compassion actually means.

Paneru
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:05 PM
umm i think you missed the point.... let me say it a different way...

both the gates and oprah have more money than they can possibly spend in a life or 20. oprah gives but only is some as is tax deductible even though the rest just sits around collecting interest, this is particularly selfish considering she has no kids. the gates, who also have more money than could be spent in a lifetime or 20, give away for more than they could possibly deduct. in fact they only keep about 50% of what they make each year AND THEY HAVE KIDS.... and for all this talk about how generous she is, oprah doesnt give away anyway near that. now if you are already a billionaire and cant possibly spend it all, dont have kids, how easy it would be to give away 50% or even 25% of what you make each year... its so easy, its kind of selfish not too, particularly when you want everyone to be all like "look at me i am so generous, but of course i am not going to be more generous than i need to deduct it from my taxes even though i am billionaire already and have no kids, and the money is doing nothing but collecting interest i will never use." thats not generosity, not anyway never it. if you want to see generosity like i said look at the gates, oprah is little more than cheap imitation of what generosity and compassion actually means.

That's rather for lack of a better word,
a stupid generalization because you have no idea
all of what Oprah may donate outside of what she chooses
to share with the public.

Furthermore, I see Oprah as a go between like those such as the Gates, Bono, and the rest to get the average person to care and take action
because it's the collective people that can move governments to do something on a much larger scale if they so choosed. Impowering people to know they can make change come about in the world.

It's so easy to critisize people for what they give, but ask yourself, what have you done lately? Are you holding yourself to the high standards you want to place on others? Are you doing the same in proportion to how much you make and could stand to give away.

Anything in this world one chooses to give is greatly appreciated and instead
of just wanting a few to do all the work, the world needs to get involved and care to make the global impact across the world to stick and continue for generations to come.

And i see neither Oprah or the Gates flaunting their wealth. Yet if they so
choosed that would be their business.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:35 PM
That's rather for lack of a better word,
a stupid generalization because you have no idea
all of what Oprah may donate outside of what she chooses
to share with the public.

Furthermore, I see Oprah as a go between like those such as the Gates, Bono, and the rest to get the average person to care and take action
because it's the collective people that can move governments to do something on a much larger scale if they so choosed. Impowering people to know they can make change come about in the world.

It's so easy to critisize people for what they give, but ask yourself, what have you done lately? Are you holding yourself to the high standards you want to place on others? Are you doing the same in proportion to how much you make and could stand to give away.

Anything in this world one chooses to give is greatly appreciated and instead
of just wanting a few to do all the work, the world needs to get involved and care to make the global impact across the world to stick and continue for generations to come.

And i see neither Oprah or the Gates flaunting their wealth. Yet if they so
choosed that would be their business.

first of all YOU DONT know what you are talking about. oprah is not now nor has EVER been in a the same class same the gates, and while oprah eats up all the press she gives little of the money...

here is some info as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about (and something you should invest time in if you are going to begin by accusing others of such)

the gates were number 1 from 2001 to 2005 in bussinessweeks "50 Most Generous Philanthropists." and even though oprah has been a billionarie for some time she only entered the list in 2004 with a measly 151 million dollars in donations and gifts that counting between 2000-2004. compare that to the gates who in 2003 topped businessweeks list with get this 22 BILLION in donations between 1999-2003 with a precent of wealth donated at 54%. oprah want on the list that year, but when she enter the list the following year she 40th with measly 13%. like i was saying what she gives, compared with what she could give to be considered generous is a joke. and why so many on her tip as being like mad generous is completely confusing and in contradiction to the facts.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_48/b3860605.htm

edit: oh and as for myself, i give well over 13% of my income thank you very much, and i dont even write it off :ras:

Foot_Fault
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:39 PM
That's rather for lack of a better word,
a stupid generalization because you have no idea
all of what Oprah may donate outside of what she chooses
to share with the public.

Furthermore, I see Oprah as a go between like those such as the Gates, Bono, and the rest to get the average person to care and take action
because it's the collective people that can move governments to do something on a much larger scale if they so choosed. Impowering people to know they can make change come about in the world.

It's so easy to critisize people for what they give, but ask yourself, what have you done lately? Are you holding yourself to the high standards you want to place on others? Are you doing the same in proportion to how much you make and could stand to give away.

Anything in this world one chooses to give is greatly appreciated and instead
of just wanting a few to do all the work, the world needs to get involved and care to make the global impact across the world to stick and continue for generations to come.

And i see neither Oprah or the Gates flaunting their wealth. Yet if they so
choosed that would be their business.


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JigglyPuff, Just :tape: !

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 02:43 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

JigglyPuff, Just :tape: !
some people dont like facts. theres nothing i or anyone can do about that. :o

Infiniti2001
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Martha and Oprah are quintessential American pop culture trash? Vogus honey do me a favor and stop trying to use words you clearly don't understand......

:lol: you told him :tape:

Infiniti2001
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:18 PM
some people dont like facts. theres nothing i or anyone can do about that. :o

Look in the mirror Jigglypuff :rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Look in the mirror Jigglypuff :rolleyes:
prove me factually wrong then... oh wait, yeah thats kind of hard when i'm not. :sad: :sad: sad faces :sad: :sad: its easy to say "look in the mirror", not much to say about the facts... more sad faces

V-MAC
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:33 PM
Some observations I have made while watching the Oprah show:

1. Why is there so few males (if any) in her audience?
2. I agree to an extent that Oprah has a very specific audience, that being the "surbaban white mom", but that doesn't necessarily make her anti-black :shrug:
3. Why is Oprah's audience so annoying :mad: they scream constantly :o

4. mmm Gail is soooooooooo HOTTT!!!!!!!!!!! I think Oprah should use her on her show more often. :drool:

raquel
Apr 30th, 2006, 04:43 PM
Role model? Winfrey, like Martha Stewart, is quintessential American pop culture trash.
Oprah definitely is a role model. I watched a show about Oprah on the Biography Channel and came away from it with even more respect for her. She came from abject poverty and was sexually abused as a child yet she always had amazing belief in herself and has broken ground throughout her whole career. She's not perfect and there's been controversies, but overall she's a smart intelligent woman who started from nothing and acheived so much. Her show is on UK TV again and I caught a couple recently about her charity work in Africa and I felt it was totally genuine. She really did want to help and it wasn't a publicity stunt. You may not always agree with Oprah but she's not "trash".

CooCooCachoo
Apr 30th, 2006, 05:10 PM
In an interview with The Associated Press, 50 complained that Winfrey rarely invites rappers on her talk show: "I think she caters to older white women."

"Oprah's audience is my audience's parents," the 29-year-old rapper said. "So, I could care less about Oprah or her show."

So his audience is largely white? :tape:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 30th, 2006, 05:37 PM
Slightly :topic:

What annoys me are the people that always use the "Well what do you give to charity, maybe you should practice what you preach before slamming these billionaire celbrities". Whatever.

Would it be fair if these superstars had to pay the same percentage of their income in tax as the 'average person'? No. They should be made to pay most of it to the government or give away in donations. What's the point being a billlionaire? You can live a life of luxury with £50 million max, that's more than enough.

Infiniti2001
Apr 30th, 2006, 05:55 PM
prove me factually wrong then... oh wait, yeah thats kind of hard when i'm not. :sad: :sad: sad faces :sad: :sad: its easy to say "look in the mirror", not much to say about the facts... more sad faces

Sorry my friend , I can't accommodate you since 99% of the time I can't decipher your words :o :tape:

Kunal
Apr 30th, 2006, 05:57 PM
has this become an oprah hating thread now?

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Slightly :topic:

What annoys me are the people that always use the "Well what do you give to charity, maybe you should practice what you preach before slamming these billionaire celbrities". Whatever.

Would it be fair if these superstars had to pay the same percentage of their income in tax as the 'average person'? No. They should be made to pay most of it to the government or give away in donations. What's the point being a billlionaire? You can live a life of luxury with £50 million max, that's more than enough.

that's annoying... but is also fun when i list of all the money and time i give... and just like here, then they just be like "well.... yeah, well look in the mirror". :lol: :lol: :smash:

yeah people with billions should be expected to give more than people who can barely make ends meet... like i fail to say who being a billionaire and having your lifetime donations and gifts at 170 million makes like a role model of generosity. but somehow, if you are oprah it works. :shrug:

it should go without saying that the more you have the larger percentage of what you have you can (and should) give to good causes.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM
Sorry my friend , I can't accommodate you since 99% of the time I can't decipher your words :o :tape:
apparently, you cant tell the difference between 1st and 40th either.... more sad face... its got to be sad if you are like so clear about the fact that you are factually wrong, maybe intellectually weak that all you have is "well i dont like you anyway, because you use big words and facts..." if that doesnt cause sad faces i dont know what does. :sad: :sad: :sad:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:16 PM
has this become an oprah hating thread now?
nah, but i do think one has to wonder why someone who gives as little as she does stands out as a "role model" of "generosity" which is my point. and why people are reluctant at the same time to give credit to those who are truly generous. why do people do this? often in the same breath as we have seen in this thread?

Infiniti2001
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:21 PM
apparently, you cant tell the difference between 1st and 40th either.... more sad face... its got to be sad if you are like so clear about the fact that you are factually wrong, maybe intellectually weak that all you have is "well i dont like you anyway, because you use big words and facts..." if that doesnt cause sad faces i dont know what does. :sad: :sad: :sad:

With this ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case :eek: :lol: :tape:

ampers&
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:25 PM
i like the direction this thread is taking. :rolls:
keep it up! :D

Solitaire
Apr 30th, 2006, 06:36 PM
O doesn't have to give a dime to any charties. She could stay at home and sit on a big pile of dough laughing her ass off. The fact of the matter is the woman does give to charity. I don't think the amount really matters as long as she's giving when so many don't. Giving money to charity no matter the reason is a good thing. Be it for a tax write off, publicity, or actually caring. As for 50 :yawn:

O is no angel but I truely believe the woman does more good than harm.

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 07:17 PM
harloo, I have tried to locate the transcripts of the article, but have not met with success. It had to do with an interview she gave where she detailed being raped by a relative. Then a question was asked about her and Black men, in which she responded very negatively. It was around the time she did 'The Color Purple'. She made it a point to define this as a reason to why she portrayed her character the way she did. That's cool and all, and her opinion. But many took it to mean that all black men where [negative] this way. And that was the last thing I needed to hear at that time in my life.

Well I can understand your point somewhat because trust me I use to get angry when I heard a negative comment in regards to black males especially from black females. Let's put this in perspective though, if Oprah was raped by a black male family member don't you think her fear and perception of black men in general at that point was negative? If true, she was wrong for those comments 20 years ago but don't we all grow?

You've stated that you didn't need to hear those words during that period in your life which is understandable. So maybe your dislike of Oprah has to do with that percieved slight but I can't imagine why you would hold it against her forever. It's your choice though I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here.


Yeah, in her latter years she softened significantly where black men are concerned. But I can't help feel that it was strictly for 'business' reasons. She has a show that makes money off of 'family' topics, so how would it look if she continued to disparage the 'all' black men, yet exalt all others on her shows?

I remember black people expressing concern over how Oprah catered to her white guests more by showing them extra affection. Initially I even was skeptical of her but realized that she exemplifies diversity at every level. It has to be hard to toe the line and not be considered a "sellout" by your own community(and you know how ruthless black people are criticizing black celebrities). :lol:

In the beginning stages of her show she seemed to focus more on women. Her topics were centered around men and you probably could label them sort of male bashing, but that's what her audience of females wanted.

I think with time she came around and featured men on the show. So I think the issue was men in general being featured on instead of her excluding black men. ;)

As an aside, apparently Stedman has apparently called it quits and broke with their relationship a week or two ago. At this point it;s just hearsay. But that's the word on the streets and a magazine article I read while browsing last week. :lol:

:lol: Oprah is with a different man every other week according to the tabloids. I'm not sure if she is still with Stedman but she's been with him for a while so maybe they grew apart if the information is true. I highly doubt it though.:D

Mother_Marjorie
Apr 30th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Having been an audience member in one of her shows and live in Chicago, I don't understand why all the nitpicking of Oprah.

She's a strong and powerful woman who is doing what she wants in life. I really think that is what pisses people off.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 07:45 PM
With this ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case :eek: :lol: :tape:
yeah because you aint got no point to prove. easy as pie. :lol:

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 07:51 PM
And for all those who keep rambling on about the recipients of the car giveaway having to pay taxes you have to realize this is standard procedure. Considering I have won three grand prizes I know first hand how it works.

The IRS requires the sponser to send the winner a W-9 if the amount of the prize is worth $600 or more. If the winner determines that the ARV is too high and has documentation of all expenses or proof of the estimated fair market value they can report that amount on their taxes or call the sponser to get the W-9 adjusted.

Let me tell you that NO SPONSER with the exception of a few pays income taxes on wins. I have seen people win cars worth 30,000, trips worth 50,000, and other high end items and decided to decline because the tax ramifications were not worth it. The rule is if you can't afford the taxes on anything don't enter. This is a pet peeve of people who enter sweepstakes faithfully because most grand prizes become void if the prize is declined.

I tried to explain the procedure when the topic was discussed awhile ago and some interpreted it as me taking a dig at O. She nor Pontiac is responsible for the taxes on a prize and if the winner's could not handle the taxes on the car then they could of declined easily. If you are in a high tax bracket winning large prizes it is not beneficial to you or filing single with a higher than average income tax bracket(like me) isn't worth it either. I had an additional $800 debt added to my taxes one year from a win and now leave the grand prizes alone.:lol: :sad:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Having been an audience member in one of her shows and live in Chicago, I don't understand why all the nitpicking of Oprah.

She's a strong and powerful woman who is doing what she wants in life. I really think that is what pisses people off.
nope what annoys me is having a camera crew with you every time you do something half decent, and acting like shes the queen of giving and compassion when thats really very far from the truth. if shes not going to be generous thats fine, but her groupies acting like she is the queen of give, and then getting all hostile because its not true :rolleyes:

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:00 PM
nope what annoys me is having a camera crew with you every time you do something half decent, and acting like shes the queen of giving and compassion when thats really very far from the truth. if shes not going to be generous thats fine, but her groupies acting like she is the queen of give, and then getting all hostile because its not true :rolleyes:

She's a billionaire tv personality Jiggly. Since you have something against O tell me what do you expect her to do? How is she supposed to give because regardless of what she does their are people who will have a problem with it. I really don't worship the ground Oprah walks on but I cannot understand what all the hosility is about? She is a very powerful woman and of course she can come off as a little self righteous but you guys are acting like she's the anti-christ.:tape: :lol:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:08 PM
She's a billionaire tv personality Jiggly. Since you have something against O tell me what do you expect her to do? How is she supposed to give because regardless of what she does their are people who will have a problem with it. I really don't worship the ground Oprah walks on but I cannot understand what all the hosility is about? She is a very powerful woman and of course she can come off as a little self righteous but you guys are acting like she's the anti-christ.:tape: :lol:

If you read this thread, and knew how to make assumptions, you wouldn't have needed to post that. :yawn:

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:15 PM
If you read this thread, and knew how to make assumptions, you wouldn't have needed to post that. :yawn:

:rolleyes: First of all noone was talking to you. Secondly, if you don't have anything to add to the conversation then please exit. :lol:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:19 PM
:rolleyes: First of all noone was talking to you. Secondly, if you don't have anything to add to the conversation then please exit. :lol:

So what if nobody was talking to me. I can post where and what I like. Jiggly has stated over the last couple of pages several times why she dislikes Oprah, and backed her argument up with figures. I think she talks complete shite 99% of the time but for once she has made some valid points IMO.

It's quite obvious why some people are showing their dislike for Oprah here. :)

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:28 PM
So what if nobody was talking to me. I can post where and what I like. Jiggly has stated over the last couple of pages several times why she dislikes Oprah, and backed her argument up with figures. I think she talks complete shite 99% if the time but for once she has made some valid points IMO.

It's quite obvious why some people are showing their dislike for Oprah here. :)

I have read this thread and little if nothing has been proven by Jiggly. You interpret those numbers how you see fit. However don't come at me like that when I am not even addressing you block_party. I didn't appreciate the smugness of your post because I have never approached you in that manner. If you had a problem with me questioning Jiggly then state your opinion, but don't take it to the gutter.:lol:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I have read this thread and little if nothing has been proven by Jiggly. You interpret those numbers how you see fit. However don't come at me like that when I am not even addressing you block_party. I didn't appreciate the smugness of your post because I have never approached you in that manner. If you had a problem with me questioning Jiggly then state your opinion, but don't take it to the gutter.:lol:

You made a post asking questions that were really obvious. That was my problem. :shrug:

Right, OK, her figures may be wrong, nobody has said otherwise so I took them as being fairy credible. Anyway, Oprah's still a billionaire, and I still think she, along with other billionaires, should be giving way more money away than they currently do.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:51 PM
She's a billionaire tv personality Jiggly. Since you have something against O tell me what do you expect her to do? How is she supposed to give because regardless of what she does their are people who will have a problem with it. I really don't worship the ground Oprah walks on but I cannot understand what all the hosility is about? She is a very powerful woman and of course she can come off as a little self righteous but you guys are acting like she's the anti-christ.:tape: :lol:
no no no

i was and still am very clear about where i am coming from and its not that difficult. the woman and give or not give as she likes, however, if you are going to be selfish and like not give much of much thats fine, whats not fine is acting like you are the queen of giving all the while not really giving much. thats where the deal is. and if you read the thread you would see that i came in just being like, flat out this woman is not the "generous" person some of you are saying she is. people were talking about how great she is because in theory gives all this money to black people, she doesnt give anywhere near what people dream she does, nor anywhere near what others of her means do. this is something that is fact but when you point it out her groupies come out in full force like jiggly had she was the anti-christ (see your post). :shrug:

but like i said before "i fail to say how being a billionaire and having your lifetime donations and gifts at a measley 170 million makes anyone role model of generosity. but somehow, if you are oprah it works. :shrug: and how these same people who act like shes some role model of generosity could in the same breath turn around and hate on the gates... i just dont get it.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2006, 08:54 PM
You made a post asking questions that were really obvious. That was my problem. :shrug:

Right, OK, her figures may be wrong, nobody has said otherwise so I took them as being fairy credible. Anyway, Oprah's still a billionaire, and I still think she, along with other billionaires, should be giving way more money away than they currently do.
my figures are not wrong

because some of you would sooner go on like mad, rather than click a link. :rolleyes:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_48/art03_48/0348_78covsto_b.gif

harloo
Apr 30th, 2006, 09:02 PM
no no no

i was and still am very clear about where i am coming from and its not that difficult. the woman and give or not give as she likes, however, if you are going to be selfish and like not give much of much thats fine, whats not fine is acting like you are the queen of giving all the while not really giving much. thats where the deal is. and if you read the thread you would see that i came in just being like, flat out this woman is not the "generous" person some of you are saying she is. people were talking about how great she is because in theory gives all this money to black people, she doesnt give anywhere near what people dream she does, nor anywhere near what others of her means do. this is something that is fact but when you point it out her groupies come out in full force like jiggly had she was the anti-christ (see your post). :shrug:

but like i said before "i fail to say how being a billionaire and having your lifetime donations and gifts at a measley 170 million makes anyone role model of generosity. but somehow, if you are oprah it works. :shrug: and how these same people who act like shes some role model of generosity could in the same breath turn around and hate on the gates... i just dont get it.

I am not a groupie Jiggly because I have stated many times that Oprah is not perfect. If you have a problem with her lack of donations then that's fine. My question to you is how can you determine intent of donations? This is simply a grey area and you seem to have no basis for your accusations. Are you looking at her television persona and coming to this conclusion? ;)

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2006, 10:52 PM
I find it interesting that so many people are soooooooooooooo caught up in Oprah's motives? Why? She's helping people, whether it's through facilitation or actual cold hard cash people are getting helped because of it.

I remember last year when Serena donated money to the tsunami victims....and all the people who questioned her motives and said she was just grandstanding and blah blah blah....well that's what this argument reminds me of. I think that situation and this situation are pretty much the same and really quite sad. I just have to shake my head because in the states you're clearly damned if you do damned if you don't. :(

Here's a editorial that pretty much reflects what I feel..


TV Column: Oprah\'s Charity: Selfless or Self-Promoting?
7/28/05 - 2:24 AM ET
By Lauren MacLaren

(andPOP) - It was announced this week that Oprah will release a multidisc DVD collection including highlights of her last two decades on air in celebration of the twentieth anniversary of The Oprah Winfery Show. Proceeds from the sale of the DVDs – which will include behind-the-scenes footage and interviews – will be donated to Oprah's Angel Network, the host's $30 million nonprofit organization.

Now, I can’t possibly hold Oprah in higher regard – I think she’s one of the most inspirational female role models around today, so news of this recent charity project didn’t surprise me. It did, however, remind me of a ‘conversation’ (which, as I remember it, was a lot more like a quiet death match) I had with a friend a few months ago. He was adamant that Oprah is not the good-intentioned humanitarian I admire so dearly, but instead a ratings-driven attention whore who would say or do whatever it took in order to appeal to a nation of viewers.

I was shocked. In fact, merely recalling that conversation gets my blood boiling. For the record, Oprah has traveled to Africa where she made donations to needy children and founded a school for girls; she initiated the National Child Protection Act to monitor convicted child abusers; her Angel Network has created scholarships, supported women’s shelters and funded youth centers; and her television show urges people to live a healthier, fuller life everyday. And that’s just the stuff we know about.

Despite rhyming off this list of good deeds, I couldn’t convince my friend that Oprah is an honest-to-goodness decent person – he was sure she pulled ‘stunts’ like the charity DVD release for personal gain and improved image. How, he argued, can anyone think she’s motivated only by good intentions when these so-called good intentions have made her the richest woman in America, and continue to benefit her through increased advertising for her show and magazine?

Not only did I assume my friend was crazy for questioning Oprah’s motives, I also assumed he was alone in doing so. But I was wrong. A quick search on Google revealed there are over 5,000 websites devoted to hatred for the Queen of Daytime. Posts on anti-Oprah message boards touched on beliefs that Oprah is self-involved (“…Oprah is about Oprah and that's the bottom line. She's made kerbillions pandering to celebrities and selling her crapola to the masses…”), that she herself is not genuine (“She's so fucking insincere, which is fine, I don't need my TV show hosts to be 100% insincere. What's not fine is how she sells herself based on her sincerity. I hope something terrible happens to her…”), and that her charity work is based on self-promotion (“(Oprah) has to tell everyone what she did…and why we are bad for not supporting her charity…”). And for those who REALLY hate her, $19.99 will get you a super chic “I Hate Oprah” t-shirt.

It seems everyone who claims Oprah is an insincere attention whore uses the same evidence to back up their accusation: her money. As mentioned, she is the richest woman in the US, and for some reason this calls her values into question. I guess I have to wonder, if she’s already the wealthiest and one of the most powerful women on the planet, why would she continue to do the charity work she’s doing if there’s nothing more to gain? More money won’t make a difference, and she certainly doesn’t need the media exposure. At this point in her career, she could easily sit back and allow her show to sustain itself without featuring her humanitarian efforts. Maybe she does it because she can influence others and affect change. And maybe there are a lot more cynics than do-gooders out there, and maybe it’s easier to cast doubt on someone’s good intentions than it is to believe they are capable of making a difference. And maybe it’s hard to watch a rich and successful person achieve further fame and admiration simply by ‘being nice.’

I never did convert my friend that night. His anger towards what he perceived to be Oprah’s greed ran just as strong and stubborn as my appreciation for what I believe is her generous nature. I’d love to hear your thoughts regarding whether or not you believe Oprah is a genuine humanitarian. In the meantime, I’ll continue to be one of the 30 million viewers tuning in every day to watch her donate her time and money to her fellow man - whatever the reason may be.

SelesFan70
May 1st, 2006, 03:16 AM
I'd bet that most of Oprah's audience has no idea who 50 is... :)

I mean, they always seem stunned that:

1) Kids are having sex
2) Kids are chatting to strangers online
3) Husbands are having gay sex
4) Women are abused
5) ___________________

:shrug:

selesfan1
May 1st, 2006, 03:50 AM
I appreciate what Oprah tries to do as far as bringing attention to issues that really need to be examined by society. What I don't like however is that many people will do it just becasue Oprah tells them to and not because they take the time to research and really learn about an issue. Michael Jordan, Beyonce, Venus Williams, Serena Williams, Iman,Tina Knowles, Charles Barkley, Dr. Robin Wright, Tina Turner, Chris Rock,Bernie Mac,Tyler Perry, Laurence Fishburn,Halle Berry, Samuel L.Jackson,Angela Bassett, Mariah Carey Tyra Banks. and the list goes on and on of succesful black people .Goodness just recently she had a show with a segment about Akeelah and the Bee, and Keke Palmer the protagonist,think what you want of the movie but it had a positive message and it had to do with black people.What Oprah does is celebrate success and education. I don't think someone who brags about being shot 13 times is someone Oprah would want on her show.

The heir to the Johnson&Johnson fortune was recently on the show. He did a documentary about poverty and they interviewed a black man on the street and asked him "Do you think your kids have a way to get out of poverty?" the man replied "Hell no, my kids aren't rappers. Oprah said, how sad he thinks that the only way for his kids to become succesful and being black is to become a rapper. I think that statement says a lot about what she wants to do.

So, according to 50 it's not black to admire and celebrate people like Maya Angelou and writers like Toni Morrisson who have made inroads to the way a group of people has been regarded by society at large by a long time?

Wigglytuff
May 1st, 2006, 09:48 AM
I am not a groupie Jiggly because I have stated many times that Oprah is not perfect. If you have a problem with her lack of donations then that's fine. My question to you is how can you determine intent of donations? This is simply a grey area and you seem to have no basis for your accusations. Are you looking at her television persona and coming to this conclusion? ;)

see this is the thing, i dont know nor did i ever claim to have her motives as fact. i do know how little she gives, and how much she talks about it. i have little to no interest in her motives (because its not something that one can really prove or know(i will assume that the fact that it didnt say it was provable or knowable as a non issue.) nor did i say more than a few words about them, mainly that that she doesnt really give more than she can deduct and even that speaks less to why she gives in the first place and more to why she is really not "generous" in any commendable way and that i wish she (and her groupies) would stop going on about how much she gives. and it would be cool if people would not accuse jiggly of saying she's the anti-chirst for saying she gives a (very) small percent of what she can (which is true), not as little as the waltons i will give you that, but DEFINITELY not enough to get any awards.