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Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 03:28 PM
I had a Russian oral exam yesterday, and had a bit of feedback from it today. Apparently my language was fine (:D) but apparently the external examiner (bitch from Cambridge :p) found my accent was 'not as accessible', whatever the fuck that means. It didn't help that everyone in my class is from England, and therefore have more 'accessible' accents, tsk...

It's may be a bit of a long shot to ask here, but does anyone have any self-elocution tips? :awww: Scottish twangs are ugly anyway, so I won't miss it :p

Thanks in advance (hopefully) :o

!<blocparty>!
Apr 28th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Yes, start talking like me, thus losing the Scottish hideousness.

Don't even think about coming back with the Welsh thing.

a) the voice message was deleted long ago
b) I do not have a Welsh accent.

:p

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Sosbans on the pahnells, anyone? :o :tape:

Sam L
Apr 28th, 2006, 04:09 PM
Let me clarify this, your accent whilst speaking Russian? I'm interested in foreign languages especially French, German and Russian and I really want to know about what accents English speakers have when speaking those languages. And how the native speakers of those languages respond to the accents.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 28th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Sosbans on the pahnells, anyone? :o :tape:

:tape: I saved your Pete Burns rendition. But seriously, I love Scottish accents, they make me fall asleep, but that's a good thing.

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Let me clarify this, your accent whilst speaking Russian? I'm interested in foreign languages especially French, German and Russian and I really want to know about what accents English speakers have when speaking those languages. And how the native speakers of those languages respond to the accents.
Yup, my accent when speaking Russian.

Well, I didn't have THAT many problems getting my point across in Russia. There are a few things that are more difficult to say, and there are subtle things that I could never get, but otherwise it was OK.

This woman said it was harder to concentrate on what I was actually saying because I pronounced things in a 'harsh' way :confused: and that I was applying Scottish pronounciation rules to Russian...

Sam L
Apr 28th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Yup, my accent when speaking Russian.

Well, I didn't have THAT many problems getting my point across in Russia. There are a few things that are more difficult to say, and there are subtle things that I could never get, but otherwise it was OK.

This woman said it was harder to concentrate on what I was actually saying because I pronounced things in a 'harsh' way :confused: and that I was applying Scottish pronounciation rules to Russian...
Is she a Russian native speaker? If not, who cares. Even if she is, who cares. If you've been to Russia and you can communicate well enough to get your point across, I think you've made it. :)

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Well, you should always be looking to improve your language speaking IMO, so I'd like to eliminate it...

As delightful as the advice has been thus far, I want to BUMP! to see if anyone else has any ideas :angel:

azdaja
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:33 PM
This woman said it was harder to concentrate on what I was actually saying because I pronounced things in a 'harsh' way :confused:
it seems you have problems with palatalised consonants. that's a bit tricky, but it can be trained.

otherwise it's difficult to learn the pronounciation of a foreign language if you are over 14 years old.

pla
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Sing

This is THE best way

CooCooCachoo
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:41 PM
Talk a lot with natives :ras:

Dahveed
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:43 PM
It is really difficult to get rid of your accent. When i speak English i try my best not to have a French accent but that's kinda impossible.

I don't know if there are any tips but i know some friends of mine who cannot speak English without applying French pronunciation rules (as you said) so i don't know if you're like this but the Scottish accent is strong and i have absolutely no idea how it sounds in Russian but that must be quite something ;)

Sometimes people mistake me for a German (may be my looks playing too, German roots) but i've also been mistaken for a Brit so i guess sometimes the French touch goes away but all in all i believe this is not really important. You're a foreigner, it's not your mother tongue you're speaking, you try your best, good on you!

Accents are sexy anyway, aren't they? :hehehe:

controlfreak
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:45 PM
I find it helpful to imagine I am a native speaker of that language and put on an exaggerated, almost stereotypical accent. For example, if I am speaking Spanish, I imagine I am a swarthy Mediterranean pirate, and put on the thickest Spanish accent I can muster. I make sure my lip and mouth movements are twice as big as they would be in normal speech, to prevent developing a mumbled accent. (I only do this when I am practising alone, as it could be embarrassing. :o ) But it does help a lot in improving the accent that comes out when you speak that language normally.

Edit: a good way to practise this technique is by reading a foreign novel out loud to yourself, and putting on different accents for the different characters in the novel.


Another idea is to listed to foreign music and try to pronounce certain phrases exactly as you hear them. You could also record yourself doing this to see if there are any mistakes you're subconsciously missing.

Dahveed
Apr 28th, 2006, 08:56 PM
I agree singing is an easy way to get rid of the accent.

Just listen to Céline Dion speaking French (obvious Québec French accent) and singing in French (normal French :p). Not the same! :lol:

John A Roark
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:00 PM
Oh, God, no! Don't ever get rid of the accents!
A woman speaking with an Irish accent, or a French one, or a...Cypriot accent :drool: and especially a woman from Atlanta or Austin *deep sigh*

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Not sure the people around me would agree with the benefits of me singing though :tape:

Thanks for all the suggestions...I'm not trying to become a native Russian obviously, but I hadn't really thought of it as an issue until this silly boot said it :angel: And she hadn't said it to anyone else on the course (they are all from London area, aside from one Irish girl that had lived in Bristol since she was 8), which made me think she thought it a special problem for me...and I don't even have that strong an accent :confused:

*must talk to natives in a stereotypical, exaggerated accent, sing in Russian and bathe in my new-found exoticism and sexyness* :lol:

-Ph51-
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:09 PM
Put stones in your mouth and talk on the beach :angel:

SilK
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:10 PM
I have a slight eastern european accent in Dutch...

And I have a slight Dutch accent in Hungarian...

:scratch:

I speak my own type of English though. :tape:

miffedmax
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Accents are very funny things. A friend of my spoke German, but apparently the combination of his Mid-Atlantic American accent and German pronunciation made lots of Germans think he was Swabian. In fact, in Swabia he got a hard time because people thought he was making fun of the way they talked!

I, on the other hand, don't speak English with much of a Texas drawl although I'm a native. But if I try to speak German, I get an instant drawl!

I still remember my first year in jr. high. We had a first-year teacher who was from France. She was nearly in tears after hearing us all say "parlee voo fraunsay" in our Texas accents.

pla
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:18 PM
I agree singing is an easy way to get rid of the accent.

Just listen to Céline Dion speaking French (obvious Québec French accent) and singing in French (normal French :p). Not the same! :lol:

OMG :lol: I just gave you the reputation I had to give to Grachka. Don't play attention to what I wrote, pls ;)

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:21 PM
I have a slight eastern european accent in Dutch...

And I have a slight Dutch accent in Hungarian...

:scratch:

I speak my own type of English though. :tape:
You speak Hungarian? How cool :hearts:

I had a Hungarian friend that taught me a phrase involving a turtle yawning at a boring film...I forget what it was. "A teknos asitot *something* egg ros filmet".

Dahveed
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:48 PM
OMG :lol: I just gave you the reputation I had to give to Grachka. Don't play attention to what I wrote, pls ;)

Oops, i'll copy paste it to him then! ;)

Giuliano
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:50 PM
Or you could get a russian girlfriend/boyfriend. I hear it is the best way to learn a language.

pla
Apr 28th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Oops, i'll copy paste it to him then! ;)

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif I wrote him almost the same.

Btw, I sang the most over Joe Dassin's songs for my French accent ;) :D

Et si tu n'existais pas
Dis-moi pourquoi j'existerais..
(la-la-la)

Grachka, try with Висоцки (Visotsky? :scratch: ) for the Russian ;)

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:02 PM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif I wrote him almost the same.

Btw, I sang the most over Joe Dassin's songs for my French accent ;) :D

Et si tu n'existais pas
Dis-moi pourquoi j'existerais..
(la-la-la)

Grachka, try with Висоцки (Visotsky? :scratch: ) for the Russian ;)
Vladimir Visotsky!? :eek:

My voice would never be able to get that low! :o I'm practising on Zhanna Aguzarova now...her voice probably sounds more at my level :p

pla
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Vladimir Visotsky!? :eek:

My voice would never be able to get that low! :o I'm practising on Zhanna Aguzarova now...her voice probably sounds more at my level :p

Just don't use Alla Pougachova :lol: ;) :devil:

controlfreak
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Or you could get a russian girlfriend/boyfriend. I hear it is the best way to learn a language.

I second that! (Or just move into a flat with two Russians and you'll improve faster than ever before)

PointBlank
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:32 PM
When I was learning English, I tried to make an American accent but everyone said it kept coming out Australian. :rolls:.

I never really got over my real accent, but in a few words it sounds completley American. Like when I say phrases I use often like hello, how are you, and such.

Grachka
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Just don't use Alla Pougachova :lol: ;) :devil:
I have several of her songs too :p But her voice is probably lower than mine too :lol:

Or you could get a russian girlfriend/boyfriend. I hear it is the best way to learn a language.
Now there is an idea :devil: Any takers? :p

Martian Willow
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Most Russian people speak English with a Russian accent.

Martian Willow
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:47 PM
The ones that speak English, that is.

Dahveed
Apr 28th, 2006, 10:49 PM
I have several of her songs too :p But her voice is probably lower than mine too :lol:


Now there is an idea :devil: Any takers? :p

Oh i'm sorry i don't speak Russian!

Catherine, i guess he'd make the effort to speak Russian and not to listen to his Russian mates speaking English ;)

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 29th, 2006, 01:22 AM
It is really difficult to get rid of your accent. When i speak English i try my best not to have a French accent but that's kinda impossible.

<snip>

Accents are sexy anyway, aren't they? :hehehe:

Zee French accent is sexeee. :drool: I don't know why you'd want to get reed of eet.