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Rocketta
Mar 28th, 2006, 09:32 PM
Beatles Say iTunes Is Bad Apple

By K.C. Jones
TechWeb.com (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/cmp/tc_cmp/byline/184400383/18538829/SIG=125l1uiag/*http://www.techweb.com/;jsessionid=XBURV3YUQ5SQOQSNDBOCKHSCJUMEKJVN)Mon Mar 27, 9:40 PM ET



Apple Computer Inc. is on the defensive in Europe for the second time in as many weeks as the company prepares to battle The Beatles' record label for its right to distribute music in the United Kingdom's highest court.

Apple will go before a judge in London this week to determine whether iTunes online music violates an agreement the company made with Apple Corps, which claims the service infringes on a15-year-old agreement. It is the third time the company that holds rights to Beatles music has taken Steve Jobs' company to court over its name.

The suit seeks an injunction on Apple's music sales and compensation for past sales. Though some media have reported both talks of a settlement are already in the works, neither company has released a statement on the topic. Representatives from the Apple companies could not be reached Monday.

The British company first sued the computer maker over the Apple name 15 years ago and settled for $80,000 and an agreement the computer company would avoid the music business. Eight years later, the company sued again when Macs became tools for recording and mixing music files. Again, the California company settled with the U.K. company - this time paying more than $25 million and agreeing not to distribute compact discs or other music recordings.

Now, the question is: Does that agreement apply to online music file transfers?

The battle is the second front that opened in Apple's European operations in two weeks. Last week, the lower house of French parliament passed a bill that would require all music files to be interoperable. Apple is fighting that file sharing and copyright protection bill as it makes its way to the French Senate and threatening to pull out of France if the bill becomes law.

Wendy Williams
Mar 29th, 2006, 11:01 AM
Download ITunes and you can see podcasts for The Wendy Williams Experience. :cool:

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 03:09 PM
Download ITunes and you can see podcasts for The Wendy Williams Experience. :cool:

eh, thanks for discussing the topic. :lol: :tape:

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:42 PM
i have no idea why apple signed that agreement with apple corps clearly apple ended up losing and how the fuck can someone claim to copyright something like "apple" i dont get it.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:44 PM
i have no idea why apple signed that agreement with apple corps clearly apple ended up losing and how the fuck can someone claim to copyright something like "apple" i dont get it.

beats me? I wonder if they are planning to sue Gweneth and Chris Martin too. :lol:

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:48 PM
The battle is the second front that opened in Apple's European operations in two weeks. Last week, the lower house of French parliament passed a bill that would require all music files to be interoperable. Apple is fighting that file sharing and copyright protection bill as it makes its way to the French Senate and threatening to pull out of France if the bill becomes law.
Oh, I didn't know about that bill. That's a good idea I think.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:52 PM
Oh, I didn't know about that bill. That's a good idea I think.

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=225825

it won't be a good law if apple pulls out of the french market. :shrug:

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:55 PM
Oh, I didn't know about that bill. That's a good idea I think.
bad idea....

apple WILL pull out of the france market before agreeing to anything of the sort. this is not something that is up for question. i dont even think apple will suffer bad press for it either, the french people must not like the ipod, and apple will save money in trying to translate everything into french...

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:55 PM
http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=225825

it won't be a good law if apple pulls out of the french market. :shrug:
I don't think we have itunes in Canada (or do we? :) ) but we manage fine with other online music suppliers. Apple is bluffing anyways.

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 04:56 PM
http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=225825

it won't be a good law if apple pulls out of the french market. :shrug:
lol beat me to it. plus i think apple said that they would sooner pull out than agree.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:02 PM
I don't think we have itunes in Canada (or do we? :) ) but we manage fine with other online music suppliers. Apple is bluffing anyways.

ah if they are using ipods they have itunes....it's the only way to get music on them ;) as is the case for every other mp3 player the only difference is Apple also sells mp3s.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:08 PM
Man, the only way you can get music on ipod is by downloading it from itunes?! Damn, that's bad. The only question I have is how come everyone tolerates this sort of blatent practice of monopoly so far. Good thing I use Zen player from Creative because could download mp3s/WMAs and other formats from different online music providers.

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Man, the only way you can get music on ipod is by downloading it from itunes?! Damn, that's bad. The only question I have is how come everyone tolerates this sort of blatent practice of monopoly so far. Good thing I use Zen player from Creative because could download mp3s/WMAs and other formats from different online music providers.
blah, that makes no sense... that kind of logic would require every maker of every piece of software to support every format and hardware ever. plus its NOT a monopoly you yourself said you have a zen, if it was a monopoly there would be no other choice, but there are choices....

anyway all of this is moot because apple will pull out.

~CANUCK~
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Man, the only way you can get music on ipod is by downloading it from itunes?! Damn, that's bad. The only question I have is how come everyone tolerates this sort of blatent practice of monopoly so far. Good thing I use Zen player from Creative because could download mp3s/WMAs and other formats from different online music providers.

oh you don't need to download from itunes to put songs on your ipod. You just need to transfer songs to itunes first to able to transfer them to your ipod later.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Man, the only way you can get music on ipod is by downloading it from itunes?! Damn, that's bad. The only question I have is how come everyone tolerates this sort of blatent practice of monopoly so far. Good thing I use Zen player from Creative because could download mp3s/WMAs and other formats from different online music providers.

first off Ipod users can download music from any provider but you have to import into itunes before you can put it on your ipod just like the creative zen the only difference is that you can also purchase music using your itunes of which you can't do with the software Creative zen provides. What the French want is the equivalent of asking Windows to make the code for the .wma and windows media player open to any developer so they can use it as they see fit.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:24 PM
blah, that makes no sense... that kind of logic would require every maker of every piece of software to support every format and hardware ever. plus its NOT a monopoly you yourself said you have a zen, if it was a monopoly there would be no other choice, but there are choices....

anyway all of this is moot because apple will pull out.
It's a monopoly if you look at it from the point of view of ipod owners, who, if I understand Rocketta correctly, can't use any other online music supplier. That's the sort of monopolistic practice Microsoft got in problem for. For bundling two products that could be separated into a single one and taking the customers ability to make choice. I see the same thing with Apple here abusing its dominance in portable music players market to force customers to use its online music service. But, I really don't care anyways as I don't use ipod.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:26 PM
first off Ipod users can download music from any provider but you have to import into itunes before you can put it on your ipod just like the creative zen the only difference is that you can also purchase music using your itunes of which you can't do with the software Creative zen provides. Sorry, I misunderstood your previous post then.
What the French want is the equivalent of asking Windows to make the code for the .wma and windows media player open to any developer so they can use it as they see fit. Not an unreasonable request because it makes the market more competitive and in the end benifiting customers.

gentenaire
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:26 PM
beats me? I wonder if they are planning to sew Gweneth and Chris Martin too. :lol:

as long as she doesn't start singing, I suppose.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:27 PM
i have no idea why apple signed that agreement with apple corps clearly apple ended up losing and how the fuck can someone claim to copyright something like "apple" i dont get it.

I just ate an apple. Have I infringed copyright!??! :scared:

;)

Seriously, this is a mess Apple shouldn't have got themselves into. I know with hindsight it's easy to say that. Oh and I didn't realise Apple Corps still existed.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:28 PM
as long as she doesn't start singing, I suppose.
Oh, haven't you heard her duet with some other dude a few years ago? It wasn't bad actually.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:28 PM
It's a monopoly if you look at it from the point of view of ipod owners, who, if I understand Rocketta correctly, can't use any other online music supplier. That's the sort of monopolistic practice Microsoft got in problem for. For bundling two products that could be separated into a single one and taking the customers ability to make choice. I see the same thing with Apple here abusing its dominance in portable music players market to force customers to use its online music service. But, I really don't care anyways as I don't use ipod.

no you are not understanding me....

you do not have to purchace music from itunes to play on your ipod....I've never bought a song from itunes....however, if you chose to buy a song from itunes it will only play on itunes. Just like if you download a song from Wal-mart you only have the option of downloading a .wma file. :shrug:

PamShriverRockz
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:29 PM
Oh, haven't you heard her duet with some other dude a few years ago? It wasn't bad actually.

Her dad wasn't it?? She sang on Sheryl Crow's C'mon C'mon album too.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:29 PM
no you are not understanding me....

you do not have to purchace music from itunes to play on your ipod....I've never bought a song from itunes....however, if you chose to buy a song from itunes it will only play on itunes. Just like if you download a song from Wal-mart you only have the option of downloading a .wma file. :shrug:
The post you replied to was posted before I saw your clarification.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:30 PM
as long as she doesn't start singing, I suppose.

I can't believe spelt sue like sew. :retard: :cuckoo: :rolls:

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:34 PM
The post you replied to was posted before I saw your clarification.

:)

and in response to that other post....would it be the best for consumers if all software/hardware companies had to open up their code....sure but lets face facts that would make sure none of them made any money. They can barely stay ahead of the hackers as it is. :lol:

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:47 PM
I just ate an apple. Have I infringed copyright!??! :scared:

;)

Seriously, this is a mess Apple shouldn't have got themselves into. I know with hindsight it's easy to say that. Oh and I didn't realise Apple Corps still existed.
lol, i think apple corps only exists to sue apple computer... :lol: :tape:

Scotso
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:51 PM
These companies aren't angels, but they aren't demons, either. European countries are very quick to jump on American companies, it's becoming quite ridiculous. I don't know how they would fare if American companies stopped doing business in Europe, but something tells me they would miss companies like Microsoft and Apple. They should start being a little more realistic in their attacks.

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 05:57 PM
1-It's a monopoly if you look at it from the point of view of ipod owners, who, if I understand Rocketta correctly, can't use any other online music supplier. That's the sort of monopolistic practice Microsoft got in problem for. 2-For bundling two products that could be separated into a single one and taking the customers ability to make choice. I see the same thing with Apple here abusing its dominance in portable music players market to force customers to use its online music service. But, I really don't care anyways as I don't use ipod.
1-i dont think rocky said that because its not true...

2- its not the same, i dont think you or the french government understand how itunes or the ipod works...

a- users can import music from any one of a number of sources...
b- users can buy music from any one of a number of sources in import them into itunes or the ipod (i get my music from cd's and allofmp3
c- users can use any software to transfer music to the ipod (it just so happens that itunes is the best and the one that users CHOICE to use.
d- users who dont have an ipod can use itunes to manage their music.

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:03 PM
:)

and in response to that other post....would it be the best for consumers if all software/hardware companies had to open up their code....sure but lets face facts that would make sure none of them made any money. They can barely stay ahead of the hackers as it is. :lol:
A lot of companies some big (IBM, Sun), some small (lot of linux companies) make money with open-source software. So, this is nothing new. There are always suckers willing to pay stupid amount of money even if you provide the same product for free. That's fact. And, I am not pointing my finger at devoted customers of certain company. :)

Hulet
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Jiggly, the post you replied to was posted before I saw Rocketta's clarification. But, there is still something fishy about Apple's practice. I just can't put my finger on it.

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:08 PM
jiggly, how do you transfer music to your ipod not using itunes? :confused:

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:20 PM
jiggly, how do you transfer music to your ipod not using itunes? :confused:
musicmatch
realplayer
:lol: :lol: :haha: :haha:

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:23 PM
musicmatch
realplayer
:lol: :lol: :haha: :haha:

:lol:

Jiggly's laughing at me. :crying2:

Rocketta
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:25 PM
but it's good news cause I didn't feel like downloading itunes on my work computer but I will put real player on my computer. :) Itunes and Windows conflicts sometimes. :)

Wigglytuff
Mar 29th, 2006, 06:26 PM
:lol:

Jiggly's laughing at me. :crying2:
:lol: :kiss:
i was laughing at music match and realplayer, have you never used either? its like the worst software ever... but its there and users can (should they want to) use it.