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Mother_Marjorie
Mar 25th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Pentagon: Russia fed U.S. war plans to Iraq
Russian official: Report 'unfounded'

Saturday, March 25, 2006; Posted: 7:12 a.m. EST (12:12 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As U.S. troops moved toward Iraq in 2003, Saddam Hussein received intelligence about their battle strategy and troop movements from a Russian ambassador, according to a Pentagon report.

The Russians claimed they obtained the information from sources inside the U.S. Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and conveyed it to Hussein via the Russian ambassador to Iraq, the report said.

Russia dismissed the report on Saturday. "Such unfounded accusations have been voiced regularly," said a Russian spokesman. "We do not see fit to comment on these insinuations." (Watch how the Russians reportedly warned Iraq when the Americans were coming -- 1:18)

Brig. Gen. Anthony Cucolo, one of the Pentagon officials who helped put the report together, was quick to say that there was no indication the Russians had a spy inside Central Command.

Also, key details provided to Hussein by the Russians were wrong -- not that it would've mattered because the Iraqi dictator ignored the intelligence in formulating his losing war strategy, Cucolo said.

Word of Russian-Iraqi collaboration came as part of an analysis by U.S. Joint Forces Command, which looked at combat operations from an Iraqi perspective as a tool for shaping future U.S. operations. An unclassified version of the analysis was released Friday.

The Pentagon said its report was based on thousands of Iraqi documents and postwar interviews with more than a dozen Iraqi officials, not including Hussein.

One of the documents, the report states, came five days after the invasion of Iraq -- March 24, 2003 -- and was sent to Hussein by the Russians.

It warned that as U.S. forces moved north from neighboring Kuwait, troops would bypass Iraqi cities and instead occupy the countryside, thereby isolating the rest of the country from its western border, according to the report.

The Russians further told Hussein that the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division, which was not allowed to stage its invasion from Turkey as hoped, would move into the country from the west via Jordan.

On April 2, 2003, Iraq's foreign minister sent a memo to Hussein telling him he had been given more information from the Russian ambassador in Baghdad, the report states. The memo said that U.S. forces would not invade Baghdad until after the 4th Infantry Division arrived, which would be sometime around April 15.

That intelligence proved wrong.

U.S. troops already were approaching the capital and took Saddam Hussein International Airport the next day. A week later, Baghdad itself fell, and the 4th Infantry Division was still on board ships in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

Lord Nelson
Mar 25th, 2006, 01:52 PM
If true then we owe the Russians for giving bad intelligence info. If the info had been accurate the Iraqis may have flooded southern Iraq and set the oil fields on fire as has been suggested in an article in last week's Economist. Russians must be green with jealously. We succeeded in toppling the Taliban whereas the Russians lost the war against the Mujahedin. We won the Cold War and last battle we won in Ukraine. Even if Yankovich wins we still won because democracy was installed in Ukraine.

dementieva's fan
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Pentagon: Russia fed U.S. war plans to Iraq
Russian official: Report 'unfounded'

Saturday, March 25, 2006; Posted: 7:12 a.m. EST (12:12 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As U.S. troops moved toward Iraq in 2003, Saddam Hussein received intelligence about their battle strategy and troop movements from a Russian ambassador, according to a Pentagon report.

The Russians claimed they obtained the information from sources inside the U.S. Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and conveyed it to Hussein via the Russian ambassador to Iraq, the report said.

Russia dismissed the report on Saturday. "Such unfounded accusations have been voiced regularly," said a Russian spokesman. "We do not see fit to comment on these insinuations." (Watch how the Russians reportedly warned Iraq when the Americans were coming -- 1:18)

Brig. Gen. Anthony Cucolo, one of the Pentagon officials who helped put the report together, was quick to say that there was no indication the Russians had a spy inside Central Command.

Also, key details provided to Hussein by the Russians were wrong -- not that it would've mattered because the Iraqi dictator ignored the intelligence in formulating his losing war strategy, Cucolo said.

Word of Russian-Iraqi collaboration came as part of an analysis by U.S. Joint Forces Command, which looked at combat operations from an Iraqi perspective as a tool for shaping future U.S. operations. An unclassified version of the analysis was released Friday.

The Pentagon said its report was based on thousands of Iraqi documents and postwar interviews with more than a dozen Iraqi officials, not including Hussein.

One of the documents, the report states, came five days after the invasion of Iraq -- March 24, 2003 -- and was sent to Hussein by the Russians.

It warned that as U.S. forces moved north from neighboring Kuwait, troops would bypass Iraqi cities and instead occupy the countryside, thereby isolating the rest of the country from its western border, according to the report.

The Russians further told Hussein that the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division, which was not allowed to stage its invasion from Turkey as hoped, would move into the country from the west via Jordan.

On April 2, 2003, Iraq's foreign minister sent a memo to Hussein telling him he had been given more information from the Russian ambassador in Baghdad, the report states. The memo said that U.S. forces would not invade Baghdad until after the 4th Infantry Division arrived, which would be sometime around April 15.

That intelligence proved wrong.

U.S. troops already were approaching the capital and took Saddam Hussein International Airport the next day. A week later, Baghdad itself fell, and the 4th Infantry Division was still on board ships in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

From what I saw yesterday in the news the intelligence was NOT wrong infact they knew critical facts about american operation. It was Saddam who did'nt take them seriously and paid the price

No Name Face
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:06 PM
russia :speakles:

dementieva's fan
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:06 PM
We won the Cold War

:haha: :haha: :haha: . Yeah right, you "won" the cold war :rolleyes:

Lord Nelson
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:16 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: . Yeah right, you "won" the cold war :rolleyes:
Glad to see certain people here upset about it. We have great politicians like Reagan to thank for. He contributed to the demise of that evil empire. As my friend Jigglypoof said, people and nations can be evil and that was certainly the case of this regime. WE WON!!!!! :yeah:

Mother_Marjorie
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:29 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: . Yeah right, you "won" the cold war :rolleyes:

No more Berlin Wall. The Communist Soviet Union was SPLIT into smaller countries where some are now democratic.

Yeah, I'd say we won. Better yet, the world won.

Mother_Marjorie
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:32 PM
This type of national back-stabbing isn't uncommon in the history of war. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1980 , the US helped fund the resistance (Taliban) against the Soviet Union, who later retreated and left the country.

Its all about "The Power Grab". Superpowers undermining one another to weaken their stances. Its been going on for decades.

Lord Nelson
Mar 25th, 2006, 03:01 PM
This type of national back-stabbing isn't uncommon in the history of war. When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1980 , the US helped fund the resistance (Taliban) against the Soviet Union, who later retreated and left the country.

Its all about "The Power Grab". Superpowers undermining one another to weaken their stances. Its been going on for decades.
Just one correction here. The U.S. never funded the Taliban which did not exist yet. They funded the mujahedin. They gave arms to the Pakistani intelligence who gave arms to some of the radical elements of the muhaehidin like that of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar a notorious warlord. Massoud was another prime contributor of U.S. aid as was the ethnic Uzbek Dostum who was not an Islamist. All of these people were enemies of the Taliban. Another notorious warlord, the wahhabist Rashid Sayyid got aid from Saudi Arabia.
The Taliban is the creation of the Pakistanis in around 1994. They helped the organisation formed in Pakistani refugee camps. U.S. had nothing to do with its creation.