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SelesFan70
Mar 23rd, 2006, 03:12 PM
Unethical Treatment of Humans
PETA display draws hostility; condiments thrown


Story by Andrew R. Quinio
Posted March 23rd, 2006


PETA display comparing animal treatment to slavery
by Andrew R. Quinio


Students from PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, drew an angry crowd on Sproul after displaying images that compared animal treatment to the lynching and enslavement of black Americans. About a dozen Berkeley students furiously engaged the PETA members, accusing the animal rights group of racism. The situation intensified when one member of the crowd threw ketchup and mustard on the PETA display and another tore down part of the exhibit.

One image presented by PETA featured a chained elephant foot juxtaposed with the chained foot of a slave. Another showed black individuals hanging from a tree by their necks contrasted with the image of a cow being hung by its hind legs. :o Several black students shouted down the PETA students and called for the display to be taken down. One student who was upset by PETA’s comparison of slavery to animal mistreatment shouted amid tears, “I’m not trying to say that people should eat meat. I understand you, but the way you’re depicting our history, the way you are depicting the things that happened to us, the thing that happened to our ancestors, it’s not ok, it’s not ok!”

Another student, identified as Autumn by her peers, tore down one of the images in a fit of rage. Dominique Nisperos, a third year Cal student, was also upset by PETA’s display and argued with one of the group’s members. When asked if tearing down the display was appropriate on a campus that touts its free speech history, Nisperos responded, “I can see why they did it.” She added that bringing up the free speech issue “isn’t getting to the root of the problem. The means at expressing [PETA’s] message was racist.” Veronica Nisperos, a Berkeley student also incensed by the exhibit, stated that the group did have a point, but the way in which they made it, “created opposition among people who should be allies.”

Sengeeta Kumar, who led the PETA group, was surprised to have encountered such a reaction at UC Berkeley. “I was really hoping that people would think critically…it became very emotional and almost dangerous in the sense that people were threatening and pulling things down and it just became unsafe,” she said. Kumar noted that her group has taken the exhibit to 13 different schools and never faced a hostile reaction.

PETA eventually gave into the pressure and dismantled their display. Kumar expressed disappointment in her organization’s inability to get their message across. “When emotions are risen, people can be closed to dialogue.” She added, “We are all part of oppression, of beings who can’t speak for themselves. Animals are enslaved in our hands. This exhibit isn’t about demeaning any people, it about uplifting humanity.” :rolleyes:

PETA members spent the rest of the afternoon wiping off the ketchup and mustard that was sprayed on their display.

See the video here:
http://www.calpatriot.org/article.php?articleID=445

Finally!!!!! People are getting that PETA is whack!

Black Mamba.
Mar 23rd, 2006, 03:26 PM
SMH at this, sometimes I think people value animals over people.

CC
Mar 23rd, 2006, 04:22 PM
They are so misguided.

Wigglytuff
Mar 23rd, 2006, 05:06 PM
i cant believe this girl would say that “When emotions are risen, people can be closed to dialogue.” when the very point of the display was to people's emotions "risen" and that such displays do nothing for intellectual discussions about animal cruelty...

azdaja
Mar 23rd, 2006, 05:13 PM
this is nothing new. some animal activists even compared industrial slaughtering of animals to the holocaust. can't remember where i read about it.

Reuchlin
Mar 23rd, 2006, 05:56 PM
Please see the last line of my signature. Thank you.

Black Mamba.
Mar 23rd, 2006, 05:59 PM
I was going to have a salad for lunch, but I'm in the mood for a burger instead.

ico4498
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:03 PM
what was PETA thinking?

Reuchlin
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:07 PM
Please tell us how the last line of your signature has ANYTHING to do with the discussion at hand. Thank you.

Because if PETA really cared about any type of "injustice" it would be the one aimed at defenseless, voiceless human beings who are currently being slaughters on the whims of their parent.

No Name Face
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:20 PM
I was going to have a salad for lunch, but I'm in the mood for a burger instead.

:lol:
have both!

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:23 PM
They are sooooooo nutty. :lol: You can't even really be too mad at that kind of crazy. :retard:

griffin
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:30 PM
Sengeeta Kumar, who led the PETA group, was surprised to have encountered such a reaction at UC Berkeley. “I was really hoping that people would think critically…it became very emotional and almost dangerous

Ironically, had Kumar and the other PETA folk thought critically, they would have realized that their signs guaranteed the very reaction they're complaining about.

And trust me, even a lot of hard-core animal rights people know PETA is whacked.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:38 PM
Ironically, had Kumar and the other PETA folk thought critically, they would have realized that their signs guaranteed the very reaction they're complaining about.

And trust me, even a lot of hard-core animal rights people know PETA is whacked.

Quite!

This type of thing really pisses me off, it does nothing to help animal rights whatsoever.

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:40 PM
Quite!

This type of thing really pisses me off, it does nothing to help animal rights whatsoever.

I know because I think I'm going to have some BBQ in salute to them for lunch. :drool:

Kart
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:40 PM
PETA really have no concept of public relations.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:49 PM
I know because I think I'm going to have some BBQ in salute to them for lunch. :drool:

;)

Wigglytuff
Mar 23rd, 2006, 07:05 PM
Because if PETA really cared about any type of "injustice" it would be the one aimed at defenseless, voiceless human beings who are currently being slaughters on the whims of their parent.
nope, its more about how both your sig and PETA abuse bare emotions to try to get at some notion all the while ignoring reality and real suffering and real cruelty. afterall, knee jerk reactions are more important than actually DOING something that helps to resolve issues. in peta's case informing people not just of cruelty in factory farms, but also about humane practices and free range organic options. working with these farmers to support them and make their products more accessible. in the case of the gibberish of your sig ignoring the rights of women and children who are raped everyday and placing the blame on them not only for what happened to them but also for wanting something of a future and a life for themselves that doesnt involve the abuser/rapist or its child and simotaniously doing nothing but protecting the rights of the abuser.

Thats what they share, blind knee jerk reactions that do NOTHING to resolve issues.

Wigglytuff
Mar 23rd, 2006, 07:08 PM
Quite!

This type of thing really pisses me off, it does nothing to help animal rights whatsoever.
so very very true.

:topic:
wheres rocky's photography thread

Pheobo
Mar 23rd, 2006, 07:10 PM
These people need lives...

MAYBE THEY SHOULD JOIN WTA WORLD!!! :p

SelesFan70
Mar 23rd, 2006, 07:48 PM
These people need lives...

MAYBE THEY SHOULD JOIN WTA WORLD!!! :p

:lol:

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 08:23 PM
so very very true.

:topic:
wheres rocky's photography thread

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=7639498#post7639498

Wigglytuff
Mar 23rd, 2006, 08:34 PM
http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=7639498#post7639498
thank you :bounce:
i am going bookmark this baby :lol:

Reuchlin
Mar 23rd, 2006, 08:51 PM
nope, its more about how both your sig and PETA abuse bare emotions to try to get at some notion all the while ignoring reality and real suffering and real cruelty. afterall, knee jerk reactions are more important than actually DOING something that helps to resolve issues. in peta's case informing people not just of cruelty in factory farms, but also about humane practices and free range organic options. working with these farmers to support them and make their products more accessible. in the case of the gibberish of your sig ignoring the rights of women and children who are raped everyday and placing the blame on them not only for what happened to them but also for wanting something of a future and a life for themselves that doesnt involve the abuser/rapist or its child and simotaniously doing nothing but protecting the rights of the abuser.

Thats what they share, blind knee jerk reactions that do NOTHING to resolve issues.

Nothing new here-- same old tired appeal to "women's rights" etc. etc. All the while ignoring the real issue-- the fact that millions of children are being killed on the whims of their parent. It's actually a fairly simple issue.

Pureracket
Mar 23rd, 2006, 08:59 PM
Nothing new here-- same old tired appeal to "women's rights" etc. etc. All the while ignoring the real issue-- the fact that millions of children are being killed on the whims of their parent. It's actually a fairly simple issue.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 23rd, 2006, 09:31 PM
I don't think this display means those PETA people are "racists"! But, PETA really bothers me. They always opt for this shock and awe approach to EVERYTHING. They are way to aggressive sometimes. I mean, in the spirit of Gandhi, chill dudes

gentenaire
Mar 23rd, 2006, 09:36 PM
I know because I think I'm going to have some BBQ in salute to them for lunch. :drool:


That's the spirit! *raises glass*

We should have more Eat an Animal for PETA days.

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 23rd, 2006, 09:42 PM
That's the spirit! *raises glass*

We should have more Eat an Animal for PETA days.

That's horribllllee... I LOVE IT!

Jakeev
Mar 23rd, 2006, 09:53 PM
These people need lives...

MAYBE THEY SHOULD JOIN WTA WORLD!!! :p

:lol: :lol: Oh no you didn't:lol: :lol:

Halardfan
Mar 23rd, 2006, 09:55 PM
From the sounds of it the protest is clumsy and inappopriate but not racist...certainly not in any intentional way. Its not seeking to make a point abotu race.

Worth noting that the site from which the article is taken is very conservative and has a very particular reactionary agenda to peddle.

I do think Peta's approach can be counter-productive which is a shame...becuae fundementally I think its underlying cause and point is sound.

I have difficulty dealing with my feelings on animal rights issues...fact is, I don't much like animals, have never really been one for pets or anything, but I don't wish them any harm either, and the horrors of meat production truly appal me, which I was I became vegetarian, I couldn't beleive the horrors that went on to get the burger to my plate.

I know that when religious people start preaching to me about stuff, I can't stand it...so in turn I feel a bit awkward lecturing people about eating meat etc...

Suffice to say, its not for me, and hopefully meat eating will gradually fall out of favour...like smoking! :)

azdaja
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:03 PM
there is something seriously wrong with people who can't understand the difference between the suffering of humans and the suffering of animals. it's not racism, but it's wrong nevertheless.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:04 PM
Nothing new here-- same old tired appeal to "women's rights" etc. etc. All the while ignoring the real issue-- the fact that millions of children are being killed on the whims of their parent. It's actually a fairly simple issue.

"whims" ?! You make it sound people are making these choices alongside choosing what hairstyle to have in the morning.

RVD
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:10 PM
One image presented by PETA featured a chained elephant foot juxtaposed with the chained foot of a slave. Another showed black individuals hanging from a tree by their necks contrasted with the image of a cow being hung by its hind legs. :o How in the name of LOGIC do these images contrast with slavery?!?!? :confused: :confused:
I know that there are PETA supporters here, so maybe someone can clue me the hell in?
One student who was upset by PETA’s comparison of slavery to animal mistreatment shouted amid tears, “I’m not trying to say that people should eat meat. I understand you, but the way you’re depicting our history, the way you are depicting the things that happened to us, the thing that happened to our ancestors, it’s not ok, it’s not ok!”Now this is exactly what I was thinking. HOW do these juxtaposed images make a point?!!!!!!!!!!!
PETA HAS MADE A CRITICAL ERROR IN JUDGMENT WITH THIS MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When asked if tearing down the display was appropriate on a campus that touts its free speech history, Nisperos responded, “I can see why they did it.” She added that bringing up the free speech issue “isn’t getting to the root of the problem. The means at expressing [PETA’s] message was racist.” Veronica Nisperos, a Berkeley student also incensed by the exhibit, stated that the group did have a point, but the way in which they made it, “created opposition among people who should be allies.”Free Speech is one thing, but using RACISM to make a point!!!....??!?!?!?!!?! They've just demonstrated to me where the line on Free Speech exists. :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Sengeeta Kumar, who led the PETA group, was surprised to have encountered such a reaction at UC Berkeley. “I was really hoping that people would think critically…it became very emotional and almost dangerous in the sense that people were threatening and pulling things down and it just became unsafe,” she said. Kumar noted that her group has taken the exhibit to 13 different schools and never faced a hostile reaction.It's no wonder PETA is so hated. When you have ignorant leaders like this who CLEARLY use SHOCK and RACISM to get attention....
The leader knew EXACTLY what he/she was doing!! :fiery:

PETA eventually gave into the pressure and dismantled their display. Kumar expressed disappointment in her organization’s inability to get their message across. “When emotions are risen, people can be closed to dialogue.” She added, “We are all part of oppression, of beings who can’t speak for themselves. Animals are enslaved in our hands. This exhibit isn’t about demeaning any people, it about uplifting humanity.” :rolleyes: BULLSH*T!!! There got the exact reaction they were hoping for and that's why they took the display down. Mark up Another "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" moment for the great movers and shakers of America!! :fiery:

I used to be somewhat of a supporter of PETA. NOW, they can kiss my meat-eating BE-HIND!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

RVD
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:15 PM
Also, how is the USE of RACIST IMAGES [specifically used in this regard] not RACIST?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:scratch: :scratch: THIN line folks..... A VERY thin line. :mad:


Awaiting cogent replies.

flyingmachine
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:16 PM
PETA really have no concept of public relations.
I don't think they have any concept on anything well in logical turns anyway. :tape:

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:19 PM
From the sounds of it the protest is clumsy and inappopriate but not racist...certainly not in any intentional way. Its not seeking to make a point abotu race.



um, they are equating the suffering of black people to the suffering of farm animals....ie, black people = livestock :retard: It's a ridiculous analogy and it doesn't exactly matter if it was intentional or not but that girl's tears and hurt were real regardless it felt racist and disrespectful to her.

RVD
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:31 PM
Also, how is the USE of RACIST IMAGES [specifically used in this regard] not RACIST?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:scratch: :scratch: THIN line folks..... A VERY thin line. :mad:


Awaiting cogent replies.As I thought...

There IS NO DISTINCTION!!! :mad:

azdaja
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:34 PM
Also, how is the USE of RACIST IMAGES [specifically used in this regard] not RACIST?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:scratch: :scratch: THIN line folks..... A VERY thin line. :mad:


Awaiting cogent replies.
i don't think it's intentionally racist. it's disgusting, but these people apparently seriously believe there is not much difference between humans and animals and don't understand that people don't want to be compared to the cattle. i don't like that mindset, but i wouldn't call it racist. we need to invent a new word for this nonsense.

Wigglytuff
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:37 PM
"whims" ?! You make it sound people are making these choices alongside choosing what hairstyle to have in the morning.
this is the thing that i have learned...

dont argue with someone who thinks that why dealing with child molestation in the first place has nothing to do prevent abortions.... its silly they dont understand that prevent the child molestation in the first place will prevent the abortion and that caring for the child in the first place is more important than overly simplistic statements like abortion is murder... its VERY SIMPLE. its not hard. and still some dont get it.

Stamp Paid
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:41 PM
Oh please Selesfan, if an organization that you didnt despise did something similar, you know you would not find the racism in it.

dementieva's fan
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:47 PM
I dont think PETA is racist. Paranoid? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Without any social skills? Yes. But not racist

dementieva's fan
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:49 PM
Oh please Selesfan, if an organization that you didnt despise did something similar, you know you would not find the racism in it.

He does'nt find any racism in the comments that Republican leaders frequently make :tape:

PamShriverRockz
Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:52 PM
um, they are equating the suffering of black people to the suffering of farm animals....ie, black people = livestock :retard: It's a ridiculous analogy and it doesn't exactly matter if it was intentional or not but that girl's tears and hurt were real regardless it felt racist and disrespectful to her.

Yep. Agreed.

Personally, I think it is racist.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:03 PM
Again I feel that some people who happen to believe in animal rights, have a tendency to put another living things rights over human rights.
It's a bit of bigotry in it's own right.
I think it's probably more frequent than we think.
It's likely easy to defend something that we believe can never do us harm even if it does us harm.
When it comes to another human being, we sometimes get in defensive mode because our control over what that person happens to say or do is nil.
What we don't control supposedly can harm us, physically, mentally, or emotionally.
It would probably be easier to stop believing we control anything at all.
We don't control the land, we don't control the animals, we don't really have much control over our own lives.

RVD
Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:24 PM
i don't think it's intentionally racist. it's disgusting, but these people apparently seriously believe there is not much difference between humans and animals and don't understand that people don't want to be compared to the cattle. i don't like that mindset, but i wouldn't call it racist. we need to invent a new word for this nonsense.I don't think most people would consider it intentionaly racist, azdaja. But here's my thinking on this...

PETA has always been into the 'Shock and Awe' approach. I think we can all agree on that point. Lately, however, they've seemed mighty desperate to get their message across, over ALL other messages and protesting going on today. Some of these PETA events and demonstrations have even been posted here.
Now, someone in the PETA organization had to have made a concious decision to use one of the most controversial events in American history to make their [sic] point. I mean they tried homosexuality because it was a major issue in recent American politics, right? :shrug:
So when that didn't get the response they expected, they resorted to OVERT racist images. :(
Now, understand, I'm not saying that PETA is a racist organization. What I'm saying is that in this particular instance, they demonstrated a severe lack of judgement in conveying their message. The mistake happened to be one of 'racism'.

My other major issue has to do with the Berkeley Student Body and the Regency allowing this to take place at all. Okay, I can understand First Amendment Rights and all, but to what degree? This was wrong on so MANY MANY levels.

[I]Then, PETA has the audacity to say that other schools didn't have a problem with this protest. Well, I'm willing to bet my left nad that the other schools didn't give a rats behind about [Black] racism either. :shrug:

Gonzo Hates Me!
Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:28 PM
Again I feel that some people who happen to believe in animal rights, have a tendency to put another living things rights over human rights.
It's a bit of bigotry in it's own right.


who says human rights are more important than animal rights though? I dont think the PETA people should have used the racism comparison because I *personally* care more about human rights--personally. But that's just me, and you, and some other people. It's a matter of personal opinion. That's what I truly believe. It isn't a fact that human rights are more significant... whether or not animal suffering is equivalent to human suffering... I think that is up to a person's opinion.

Fact is, some people truly think that animal suffering and human suffering are the same thing--that's just how they feel! And clearly, that's the case with the PETA people. And I can see how they think like that. Some might argue that people should care more about human suffering than animal suffering, but I feel as though PETA has this mentality that suffering is suffering, period. The goal of PETA is to get people to care more about animal suffering because people in general just don't think about/notice animal suffering the way they think about/notice human suffering--yeah animals don't talk or walk on two legs, but PETA wants you to forget about that and see their pain too. I guess that is why PETA employs these crazy crazy tactics of getting people to listen to them!

But I agree with whoever said everything they do just backfires and gets people to hate them, because personally I don't like them. I think they are funny--I mean, the way they go about everything. Especially at fashion shows. lol. They don't think before they do things

Scotso
Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:33 PM
I don't think this display means those PETA people are "racists"! But, PETA really bothers me. They always opt for this shock and awe approach to EVERYTHING. They are way to aggressive sometimes. I mean, in the spirit of Gandhi, chill dudes

I agree, this doesn't make them racist, but it does mean they have poor taste.

Rocketta
Mar 24th, 2006, 12:20 AM
I want to know why did they chose slavery?

Yes they think abuse of animals is on par with abuse of humans but why choose those particular pictures considering no one in your group looks like those pictures? :confused:

I just hope that the people who feel that there is no difference in life, ie a life is a life, I hope they don't kill roaches, flies, ants, fleas on their pets and in their houses, plants, mosquitos, wasp nests, have never hit a possum with their car, etc...cause a life is a life. :rolleyes:

*JR*
Mar 24th, 2006, 01:30 AM
I rememember when (about 3 years ago) Palestinian militants tried loading explosives to blow up Israeli settlers on donkeys, PETA said that humans should keep animals out of their disputes. :o

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 24th, 2006, 01:49 AM
First, they are not being racist just misguided. They are trying to convey a thought along the lines of: "Speciesism is as bad as racism (both being very bad)."

I don't agree with that thought, but who cares what I think? :D People are entitled to think that, and to express it, if they want to.

The trouble is, the way the message was expressed was stupid. I can decipher it, because I understand where they're coming from. But people react emotionally, and the emotional impact of these images for a lot of people was obviously quite different from what PETA intended to convey. They made a big mistake in trying to use emotive imagery to convey a complicated, counter-intuitive intellectual position. It just didn't work at a gut level; it backfired as a piece of communication, and they come off looking like racists in some people's eyes. (Though I'm sure it was unintended, some people are evidently getting a message like: "Black people are no important than farm animals (i.e. not very important at all).")

I'd prefer it if they'd stick to explaining themselves rationally, rather than involving themselves in all sorts of stupid stunts to try to express their ideas. They are just turnng people off their message.

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 24th, 2006, 01:55 AM
Should I go and get a hamburger for lunch or eat the cold roast pork left from last night? :scratch:

Wigglytuff
Mar 24th, 2006, 07:24 AM
Oh please Selesfan, if an organization that you didnt despise did something similar, you know you would not find the racism in it.
i agree with you here, but still this peta stunt is fucked up (granted its not like there are peta stunts that arent fucked up...)

griffin
Mar 24th, 2006, 03:23 PM
um, they are equating the suffering of black people to the suffering of farm animals....ie, black people = livestock :retard: It's a ridiculous analogy and it doesn't exactly matter if it was intentional or not but that girl's tears and hurt were real regardless it felt racist and disrespectful to her.

No, they're equating livestock with people - they're trying to elevate non-human animals, not denigrate black people. You and I may not agree with that analogy, but it doesn't make them racist.

Just monstrously, pointlessly, mind-blowingly stupid and insensitive. Like I said, anyone capable of any kind of critical thought would have been able to figure out how these posters would affect people seeing them, and that they would create anything but a rational dialog - that they would be deeply hurtful to some people.

It's really very self-absorbed and narcisistic, because I think these kids are so caught up in some romanticized notion of being rebels, of "fighting for change" they've become more focused on their image and how they see themselves than on actually doing something constructive. (not ALL of PETA's stunts have been that hare-brained)

Gerri
Mar 24th, 2006, 03:23 PM
I rememember when (about 3 years ago) Palestinian militants tried loading explosives to blow up Israeli settlers on donkeys, PETA said that humans should keep animals out of their disputes. :o

What's wrong with saying that? Just because a person is anti animal abuse doesn't mean they're in favour of human suicide bombers muderering Jews/Muslims/Non-muslims/whoever else gets in the way. Of course it's sick and twisted for muderers to use animals as suicide bombers.

Helen Lawson
Mar 24th, 2006, 03:30 PM
I think PETA knows how nuts this is, but it gets them noticed and headlines and gets people thinking about animal-rights issues. They're dumb like foxes (hey, even a phrase PETA should approve of), they set out to offend to make a point and get noticed. If these protests were just some run-of-the-mill stuff with pictures of abused animals, it doesn't make headlines. Compare them to the suffering of slaves, instant headlines and the cause noticed.
There was an ordinance hearing here last week about horse-drawn carriages downtown. Yes, PETA showed up at the hearing before the city commissioners, one of whom is a black woman. The PETA guy was urging her, specifically, to recognize animal rights just as civil rights had helped her 40 years ago. It was clearly a baiting move, and she didn't bite, but this is I guess their new campaign. I do think it's outrageously offensive, but it will get PETA a lot of headlines it would not normally get otherwise and maybe get people thinking about animal rights. :confused:

griffin
Mar 24th, 2006, 04:04 PM
I do think it's outrageously offensive, but it will get PETA a lot of headlines it would not normally get otherwise and maybe get people thinking about animal rights. :confused:

How many people in this thread said they planned to eat meat as a response?

I understand the strategy behind pushing people's buttons, but in cases like this it really doesn't get people thinking about animal rights (other then to reinforce the idea that animal rights activists are off-the-wall extremists). It did generate dialog but the dialog was about whether PETA are a bunch of priviledged, racist punks. The focus now is on anything BUT the well-being of animals. I don't see that helping their cause.

Helen Lawson
Mar 24th, 2006, 04:10 PM
How many people in this thread said they planned to eat meat as a response?

I understand the strategy behind pushing people's buttons, but in cases like this it really doesn't get people thinking about animal rights (other then to reinforce the idea that animal rights activists are off-the-wall extremists). It did generate dialog but the dialog was about whether PETA are a bunch of priviledged, racist punks. The focus now is on anything BUT the well-being of animals. I don't see that helping their cause.

Well, as I posted in another thread, it did remind me how much I like veal and how long it's been since I had veal, something I did remedy two weekends ago when the first PETA threads started to appear. :D I had it with Marsala and mushrooms, it was soooo good. But I kind of felt a little bad about eating it, so maybe it's not all counterproductive. Over time, PETA has turned me off to fur.

borisy
Mar 24th, 2006, 04:20 PM
"They value animals over humans" is the stupidist idea put forward by those who oppose any type of work done against cruelty against animals. I have no connection or interest in PETA but there can be a way one can both care about human rights and animal rights.

mishar
Mar 24th, 2006, 04:34 PM
First of all, I think the worst wrong was committed by those who tore the posters down. Everyone should be able to express their views without physical harrassment.

Secondly, it's clear that PETA was not implying black people are as good as livestock. The point they were making (crudely, sensationalistically) is that the evils done to animals are comparable to evils done to human beings that we all denounce as evil. It's not racist imagery.. it's trying to wake people to up to an injustice (and using slavery or holocaust as a point of reference of evil.)

I think PETA's tactics are childish and often ineffective, but the questions of animal rights are not at all simple ones.. Comparing our treatment of animals to the Holocaust and slavery is sensationalistic, but if you believe that animals have souls, it's hard to justify the unbelievably brutal conditions in which we raise them for food. We, as a culture, have a very complicated attitude towards animals. We're happy to see them as sentimental creatures when they are our pets, we go to movies and even cheer them on as they escape the butcher (Babe), but then we refuse to even examine the horrible way the food industry treats them.

Halardfan
Mar 24th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Its such an emotive issue all of this...Peta should indeed be a little more sensitive and careful that their intention to shock and bring attention to their cause takes into account people justified sensitivities. Sometimes they do the cause more harm than good, its true.

BUT people should also realise how strongly people often feel on Animal rights issues too...it was glimpsing footage of slaughterhouses on a documentry which made me instantly become vegetarian...what goes on in those places disgusted me then and it disgusts me now. For me, it seems entirely unneccesary suffering and horror, and it DOES make me angry.

Most don't feel that way I know, and I could scream about it til Im blue in the face and it would only make people go out and get another burger in defiance. ;)

But there remains a little bit of me that is something of an extremist over issues like vegetarianism and hunting (Hunting for 'sport' is vile vile vile, no compromise, no qualification) it does get me riled up an awful lot and I make no apologies for it! :p ;)

njnetswill
Mar 25th, 2006, 02:42 AM
:bounce:

PETA needs to lock themselves in a wood shed and burn themselves. Good riddance.

Rocketta
Mar 25th, 2006, 03:14 AM
First of all, I think the worst wrong was committed by those who tore the posters down. Everyone should be able to express their views without physical harrassment.

Secondly, it's clear that PETA was not implying black people are as good as livestock. The point they were making (crudely, sensationalistically) is that the evils done to animals are comparable to evils done to human beings that we all denounce as evil. It's not racist imagery.. it's trying to wake people to up to an injustice (and using slavery or holocaust as a point of reference of evil.)

I think PETA's tactics are childish and often ineffective, but the questions of animal rights are not at all simple ones.. Comparing our treatment of animals to the Holocaust and slavery is sensationalistic, but if you believe that animals have souls, it's hard to justify the unbelievably brutal conditions in which we raise them for food. We, as a culture, have a very complicated attitude towards animals. We're happy to see them as sentimental creatures when they are our pets, we go to movies and even cheer them on as they escape the butcher (Babe), but then we refuse to even examine the horrible way the food industry treats them.

considering there are probably very few black people that are PETA members it's extremely offensive....There are many images of torture in the world yet they choose to pick the images that look the most unlike them. At the least it's unbelievably insensitive and at worst racist. Either way it should've never happened because despite what they believe if they had any type of respect for the community that was depicted in those pictures they would've never even attempted that campaign. You can't ask people to respect animals when you can't even respect people.