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Rocketta
Mar 21st, 2006, 11:01 PM
Charges Dropped in Fla. Student Sex Case

By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer 36 minutes ago



Prosecutors in one Florida county decided Tuesday to drop charges against a former Tampa teacher accused of having sex with a 14-year-old middle school student.

The decision, announced hours after a judge rejected a plea deal for Debra Lafave, means the victim won't have to testify.

Lafave's sentence in another county for having sex with the same boy still stands.

Prosecutors and defense attorneys had urged the judge to accept the deal for the sake of the boy involved. A psychiatrist who examined the teenager told the judge at a previous hearing that the boy suffered extreme anxiety from the media coverage of the case and does not want to testify.

Marion County Circuit Judge Hale Stancil, however, said the lack of prison time for Lafave under the plea deal "shocks the conscience of this court," and he rejected it.

Assistant State Attorney Richard Ridgway, in explaining the decision to drop the charges, said: "The court may be willing to risk the well-being of the victims in this case in order to force it to trial. I am not."

Lafave, 25, was already sentenced to three years of house arrest and seven years' probation in Hillsborough County, where she was charged with having sex with the same boy in a classroom and her home. She pleaded guilty Nov. 22 to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery under a plea deal there.

In Marion County, she was accused of having sex with the boy in a sport utility vehicle.

Lafave said at a news conference later Tuesday that she was getting treatment for bipolar disorder.

"I have a lot of things in my past that have unfortunately become public," Lafave said.

"I pray with all my heart that the young man and his family will be able to move on with their lives," she said. "Again, I offer my deepest apologies."

Hillsborough County prosecutor Mike Sinacore has said that the victim's family had anticipated a trial, but that the media attention prompted the boy's mother to push for a plea deal.

"There is no one that wanted to see Debra Lafave serve jail time more than myself," the boy's mother wrote in an e-mail to the Ocala Star-Banner over the weekend. But she said the welfare of her son was more important.

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Associated Press Writer Kelli Kennedy in Orlando contributed to this report.

lizchris
Mar 21st, 2006, 11:29 PM
I hope this mother knows what she is doing because "this teacher" belongs in jail with every other pedophile.

Rocketta
Mar 21st, 2006, 11:36 PM
I mean how do you drop the charges after the judge declines your plea agreement because it's too soft? :confused:

hablo
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:20 AM
That boy sounds like he's been traumatized... :hug:
Shame on that teacher :rolleyes:

Black Mamba.
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:24 AM
SMH at this crap, if it was a guy or if she were considered unattractive there is no way she doesn't spend time in jail.

Martian KC
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:26 AM
I thought her other charge was with another boy. I didn't know it was the same one.

Rocketta
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:33 AM
I thought her other charge was with another boy. I didn't know it was the same one.

she slept with him in two different counties I think. :shrug:

Solitaire
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:51 AM
SMH at this crap, if it was a guy or if she were considered unattractive there is no way she doesn't spend time in jail.


You got that right. If the teacher was a male I'm sure the charges wouldn't have been dropped and he def would have gotten more then just house arrest. But female pedos are never seen as harmful. It's just boys getting laid and they should be greatful. I highly doubt this was her first boy and I'm sure there will be more.

Rocketta
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:51 AM
You got that right. If the teacher was a male I'm sure the charges wouldn't have been dropped and he def would have gotten more then just house arrest. But female pedos are never seen as harmful. It's just boys getting laid and they should be greatful. I highly doubt this was her first boy and I'm sure there will be more.

I agree. It's appalling really.

SelesFan70
Mar 22nd, 2006, 03:51 AM
SMH at this crap, if it was a guy or if she were considered unattractive there is no way she doesn't spend time in jail.
Or if the rape victim was a girl this would not have happened either. :mad:

She's bipolar she says... :rolleyes: Let me alone with her for, oh, 2 minutes she'd be dead. :wavey:

Infiniti2001
Mar 22nd, 2006, 03:52 AM
Or if the rape victim was a girl this would not have happened either. :mad:

She's bipolar she says... :rolleyes: Let me alone with her for, oh, 2 minutes she'd be dead. :wavey:

Yep!! It's like she is the victim :fiery:

Solitaire
Mar 22nd, 2006, 03:54 AM
She's bipolar she says... :rolleyes:


:lol: She also said she was a "Christian" oh boy. :rolleyes: She's also engagged and I really hope she doesn't have any sons. :tape:

Crazy Canuck
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:13 AM
Since when has bipolar disorder been an excuse for pedophilia? I clearly missed that chapter.

lizchris
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:24 PM
:lol: She also said she was a "Christian" oh boy. :rolleyes: She's also engagged and I really hope she doesn't have any sons. :tape:


She should do society a favor and ger her tubs tied or get a hysterectomy.

Helen Lawson
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:28 PM
She's white, female, hot, and young, and apparently had the dough for a top criminal defense attorney. The result is sickening, but not surprising. If she'd been a dog, she'd be doing ten years plus. If a guy, like 20 years. Guy on boy, 30 years.
The only other thing I can think is that these boys either then or now look very mature, I mean, a lot of 14-15 year old boys don't look like little kids and they feared she'd get acquitted or something, at least that would explain the probation and house arrest she got for the other charges.

Lord Nelson
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:47 PM
:lol: She also said she was a "Christian" oh boy. :rolleyes: She's also engagged and I really hope she doesn't have any sons. :tape:
Oh come on, as if she has sons they would let her sleep with them.

alfonsojose
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:16 PM
Since when has bipolar disorder been an excuse for pedophilia? I clearly missed that chapter.
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0764584510.html ;)

nbaker53
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:47 PM
Seriously though I don't get this kid. If this were at my school and some kid had sex with a teacher like that he'd be praised :o. And if he were to ever turn her in then my school would kill him :tape:

marmite1
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:53 PM
This is clearly unfair.

azdaja
Mar 22nd, 2006, 03:23 PM
since when is having sex or being attracted to a 14 year old considered paedophilia?

CondiLicious
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:01 PM
Is she that attractive blonde pedo??????

Black Mamba.
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:06 PM
Is she that attractive blonde pedo??????


Yup

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 07:01 PM
Let me alone with her for, oh, 2 minutes she'd be dead. :wavey:

Murder > sexual assault?

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 07:02 PM
What she did was wrong, but the idea that 14 year old boys in this country are completely innocent and naive is ridiculous.

Infiniti2001
Mar 22nd, 2006, 08:10 PM
Soon she'll get the book and movie deal :rolleyes:

Kart
Mar 22nd, 2006, 08:23 PM
Ultimately the boy is the victim here.

If he's as scarred as they all make out I think it's fair enough to drop the charges so he won't have to go through anything else.

Rocketta
Mar 22nd, 2006, 10:35 PM
What she did was wrong, but the idea that 14 year old boys in this country are completely innocent and naive is ridiculous.

would you make that comment if a male teacher got his 14 year old female student pregnant? :confused:

Rocketta
Mar 22nd, 2006, 10:35 PM
Soon she'll get the book and movie deal :rolleyes:

and then she'd get sued for every dime she makes...;)

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 11:34 PM
would you make that comment if a male teacher got his 14 year old female student pregnant? :confused:

Yes.

He was not raped. If she -had sex- with the male teacher, I would make that comment. We treat teenagers like they're too incompetent to make decisions, but they aren't.

I'm not saying that makes it RIGHT for a teacher to have sex with a student, but the teen usually has some say in the matter.

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 01:19 AM
Yes.

He was not raped. If she -had sex- with the male teacher, I would make that comment. We treat teenagers like they're too incompetent to make decisions, but they aren't.

I'm not saying that makes it RIGHT for a teacher to have sex with a student, but the teen usually has some say in the matter.

actually teenagers are pretty incompetent when making decisions (sorry teens :o) if you just look at the wreckless behavior that teens engage in it's not hard to believe. I actually saw a kid say, "Yes I've driven my car over 100 mph (this is within the first month of having his license btw) it was safe the road was straight." There in a nutshell are some young people's thought process...it won't happen to me. They don't have the life experience to have a true perspective on the consequences of certain actions. Just like a 14 year old would not have the reasoning power to realize that this old person has issues because if they didn't they wouldn't be interested in a 14 year old and when it gets out the course of my life will have changed permanantly. Oh and that someone who would sleep with their student might not be wrapped too tight soooo maybe I shouldn't believe her when she says she's protected and won't get pregnant ( Mary K. :o)...well if she does get pregnant..I can take care of the baby....another very immature thought.

This is not meant as a knock against teenagers because many are sensible and level-headed but that doesn't mean that they are capapble of understanding the consequences of their actions which is why they can't drive until 16 will probably change to 18 one day because of all the accidents 16 year olds cause or vote or fight or work a job.

RJWCapriati
Mar 23rd, 2006, 01:27 AM
:eek:

GracefulVenus
Mar 23rd, 2006, 02:03 AM
I hope this mother knows what she is doing because "this teacher" belongs in jail with every other pedophile.
Right you are. I don't see why we as an American society are allowing the courts to let these obviously sick people roam free in our society. I feel there should be a Federal Law that give a Min. of 5 years in prison (I would say 20 but I'll try to be realistic) for sex offenders. Although they both are parasites, I truly believe they do more harm to society than the average crack dealer, who gets about 10 years for a rock compared to probation or house arrest for people who RAPE our Women and Children. Just sad.

Scotso
Mar 23rd, 2006, 03:26 AM
This is not meant as a knock against teenagers because many are sensible and level-headed but that doesn't mean that they are capapble of understanding the consequences of their actions which is why they can't drive until 16 will probably change to 18 one day because of all the accidents 16 year olds cause or vote or fight or work a job.

Many adults are unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions as well.

The fact that adult teachers would have sex with students is a prime example.

Rocketta
Mar 23rd, 2006, 03:42 AM
Many adults are unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions as well.

The fact that adult teachers would have sex with students is a prime example.

true but the question is are these adults suffering from a lack of being able to comprehend the consequences of their actions or if they are predators and are sick sick people who just don't care about the possible consequences? I think this teacher knew the consequences of her actions but she's a predator and thought her needs being met were more important. :shrug:

Solitaire
Mar 23rd, 2006, 03:57 AM
Oh come on, as if she has sons they would let her sleep with them.



She got away with this so why not. Pedophilia isn't something u just kick like smoking. Many pedo's abuse their children. So if she does have kids there's a good chance that she'll sexually abuse them. Don't let her sex or good looks fool you. Many schools have become pick up joints for predators. As long as ur a female and good looking its natural. :rolleyes:


As for teenagers being incompetent well most of them are. I know when I was 14 there was no way I was mature enough to have sexual relationship with a 25 year old teacher and I was a pretty mature 14 year old. Believe it or not teen boys can and do get taken advantage of.

The boy is 16 now and his identity would still be protected cause he's a minor. What his parents have done is give this pedo a free ride. I understand wanting to protect the boy but they let a predator go free. If kids don't testify against these kind of people then there's no justice.

Black Mamba.
Mar 23rd, 2006, 04:10 AM
She got away with this so why not. Pedophilia isn't something u just kick like smoking. Many pedo's abuse their children. So if she does have kids there's a good chance that she'll sexually abuse them. Don't let her sex or good looks fool you. Many schools have become pick up joints for predators. As long as ur a female and good looking its natural. :rolleyes:


As for teenagers being incompetent well most of them are. I know when I was 14 there was no way I was mature enough to have sexual relationship with a 25 year old teacher and I was a pretty mature 14 year old. Believe it or not teen boys can and do get taken advantage of.

The boy is 16 now and his identity would still be protected cause he's a minor. What his parents have done is give this pedo a free ride. I understand wanting to protect the boy but they let a predator go free. If kids don't testify against these kind of people then there's no justice.


This is the realest statement I've heard on the subject. In society we have the view that all teenage boys are just horn dogs that want sex and if a hot teacher gives it to them then they won't be emotionally damaged by the event. This is far from the truth and until we realize that teenage boys can be traumatized by these events even if they are willing participents in the act we might as well let all the female pedos loose.

Scotso
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:32 AM
No one said they are mature enough for it or it doesn't emotionally damage them, but if they are "willing participants" then they must take some of the blame.

If a 14 year old shot up his classmates, they would have no trouble treating him as an adult and exocuting him. They wouldn't say he's incompetent and wasn't capable of making that decision.

Solitaire
Mar 23rd, 2006, 07:39 AM
No one said they are mature enough for it or it doesn't emotionally damage them, but if they are "willing participants" then they must take some of the blame.

If a 14 year old shot up his classmates, they would have no trouble treating him as an adult and exocuting him. They wouldn't say he's incompetent and wasn't capable of making that decision.


Apples and Oranges. It's ur fault ur abused! Don't tell anyone cause u'll get in trouble, same ole story. It's like saying women who wear skimpy clothes are partly to blame for being rapped cause they were asking for it with their clothing. :rolleyes: Kids are WILLING when they are molested because that's how pedos work. They gain the trust of the child and abuse them.

Where is the line drawn for U? Is it 11 12 13 14? There must be a reason for age of concent. 14 yr olds still need to be guided and watched over. It may be hard for u to realize but just because u can have sex doesnt mean u should be doing it.

Kids aren't little adults. That's why most countries have child labor laws and laws protecting children against pedos.

Scotso
Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:50 AM
Apples and Oranges. It's ur fault ur abused! Don't tell anyone cause u'll get in trouble, same ole story. It's like saying women who wear skimpy clothes are partly to blame for being rapped cause they were asking for it with their clothing. :rolleyes: Kids are WILLING when they are molested because that's how pedos work. They gain the trust of the child and abuse them.

You say apples and oranges and then make a post like this? I think there is a difference between what this woman did and rape/molestation. From what I remember, the kid was pretty into it, according to his friends.

Where is the line drawn for U? Is it 11 12 13 14? There must be a reason for age of concent. 14 yr olds still need to be guided and watched over. It may be hard for u to realize but just because u can have sex doesnt mean u should be doing it.

It's not up to me to draw the line, and no, it's not hard for me to realize it. As I have said REPEATEDLY, this was WRONG. The only point I am trying to make is that they kid is not a totally innocent party.

But I also think you can't make blanket statements like "14 yr olds still need to be guided and watched over" because age is, after all, just a number. You can't really put a specific time table on reaching maturity. I know plenty of people my age who are so immature they shouldn't be allowed to leave their homes, and I'm 22.

Solitaire
Mar 24th, 2006, 04:01 AM
You say apples and oranges and then make a post like this? I think there is a difference between what this woman did and rape/molestation. From what I remember, the kid was pretty into it, according to his friends.


As there is a difference between kids shooting up schools and getting molested, hence my rape comparison........
I'm sure he enjoyed it but enjoyment doesn't obsolve this woman of what she did.



But I also think you can't make blanket statements like "14 yr olds still need to be guided and watched over" because age is, after all, just a number. You can't really put a specific time table on reaching maturity. I know plenty of people my age who are so immature they shouldn't be allowed to leave their homes, and I'm 22.



Of course there are exceptions to the rule but we have laws like age of consent because psychology on the whole 14 yr olds aren't mature enough to handle a sexual relationship esp with 25 yr old adult. In our society we have put a timetable on maturity. 18 to vote and join the army, 16 to drive, 21 to drink and of course it varies from country to country.

If we took things case by case then perhaps these two could be dating. Perhaps a really mature 12 yr old could be a wife and mother just like in times past. He was 14 and in this country he's still a minor no matter what he looks like or how mature he is.

Rocketta
Mar 24th, 2006, 05:11 AM
I think this story is appropriate for the discussion..

Woman Missing Since She Was 14 Is Found

By DANIEL LOVERING, Associated Press WriterThu Mar 23, 11:46 AM ET


For 10 years, Tanya Nicole Kach says she was told that her parents didn't want her, that she was stupid and no one cared about her but the middle school security guard who was keeping her in his home.

It took her a decade to build the confidence to come forward, but on Wednesday she finally learned the truth as she hugged her father, Jerry Kach, in a tearful reunion.

"He's crying, I'm crying. All he kept saying was, 'I got my baby,'" said Kach, now 24, clutching her father's hand. "I'm touching blood, and I get to say, 'I love you, Dad.'"

Kach said she was looking forward to seeing her mother on Thursday for the first time since February 1996, when her parents reported her missing.

For a decade, Kach had been living at the home of Thomas Hose, 48, in the same town where her father lived in a home about two miles away. She had met Hose at her middle school, where he worked as a security guard.

Allegheny County Police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said Kach wasn't allowed out of the house for the first four years she lived with Hose in a home he shared with his parents since 1996. She was made to stay in the bedroom when visitors were over.

"She had no contact with people, other than the people that were in the home," Moffatt said.

Kach wasn't being held against her will, Moffat said, but Hose used "mind games" to control what she wore and where she went and to convince her that her parents, who are now divorced, didn't care about her. He said the girl had help changing her appearance shortly after she disappeared but wouldn't elaborate.

Kach described to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review how she was manipulated as a teenager.

"You're stupid. You're immature," she said Hose told her. "Nobody cares about you but me."

Hose was jailed Thursday on charges of statutory sexual assault and involuntary deviate sexual intercourse. His attorney, James Ecker, said Hose didn't force Kach to live with him.

"I don't think you'll find anybody in these United States who says she was held against her will," Ecker said.

For the last six months Kach would visit J.J.'s Deli Mart two blocks from where she lived in a Pittsburgh suburb, police said. Kach, always neatly dressed, befriended the convenience store owner Joseph Sparico and his family.

Then, earlier this week, she told Sparico something extraordinary.

"'My name is not Nikki Allen, it's Tanya Nicole Kach,"' he recalled her saying in a frightened voice. "'If you go to a Web site for missing children, you will see me there.'"

Sparico said Kach told him she wasn't allowed out after dark, and that she thought nobody wanted her other than her boyfriend, who threatened her.

He called his son — a retired police officer who recognized Kach's name — and a missing children hot line, helping to reunite the woman with her family.

"She wanted to be wanted, that's all," Sparico said. "She'd come up to get a pop, a tea, a paper ... she'd confide in me."

A woman who answered the phone at Hose's house Thursday morning said, "They're not talking," and hung up.

Kach plans to meet with her mother, Sherri Koehnke, who remarried while her daughter was missing.

"It's the best ending I could have thought about when I thought about what could have happened to her," Koehnke told WTAE-TV.

Kach's father, Jerry, said, "I just say thank you, there is a God and he brought my little girl back home."

Solitaire
Mar 24th, 2006, 05:21 AM
^ Wow that's sad and disturbing. Society is moving more and more towards blaming the victim. She was 14 and old enough to make her own decisions and she must have enjoyed the sex and loved him, some will say. Total :bs:

Scotso
Mar 24th, 2006, 07:48 AM
^ Wow that's sad and disturbing. Society is moving more and more towards blaming the victim. She was 14 and old enough to make her own decisions and she must have enjoyed the sex and loved him, some will say. Total :bs:

If you're implying in some way that that's what I would say, then you're off your rocker.

dania
Mar 24th, 2006, 08:18 AM
Sorry but I agree with MelissaTorresFan,the boy wanted to have sex with her otherwise sexual intercourse wouldn`t have been possible and he was 14 not a 5 year old whom you can attract with candy.There are many teenagers who start their sex life when they`re 14 and sometimes it happens to be with a partner a couple of years older but it doesn`t mean we should scream "child molestor" everytime.If the teenager was a "willing participant"than I don`t see where the trauma is(and that goes for girls as well as boys).

Kach wasn't being held against her will, Moffat said, but Hose used "mind games" to control what she wore and where she went and to convince her that her parents, who are now divorced, didn't care about her. He said the girl had help changing her appearance shortly after she disappeared but wouldn't elaborate.
What you think "mind games" only work on teenagers?Charles Manson anybody?What about the cults that convince all these "responsible adults" to sell everything they`ve got, separet from their families and wait for aliens or Jesus or whatever.

Don`t get me wrong I think pedophilia is a horrible thing but I don`t believe this is the case here.

Solitaire
Mar 24th, 2006, 09:37 AM
If you're implying in some way that that's what I would say, then you're off your rocker.



You name was never mentioned and I would never think of putting words in ur mouth. :)