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CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:19 PM
BATAVIA, Ohio (March 20) - A man who neighbors say was devoted to his meticulously kept lawn was charged with murder in the shooting of a 15-year-old boy who apparently walked across his yard.



Charles Martin called 911 on Sunday afternoon, saying calmly: "I just killed a kid."

Police, who released the call's contents, said Martin also told the dispatcher: "I've been harassed by him and his parents for five years. Today just blew it up."

Larry Mugrage, whose family lived next door, was shot in the chest with a shotgun. The high school freshman was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Martin, 66, allegedly told police he had several times had problems with neighbors walking on his lawn. He remained jailed without bond Monday. His jailers said no attorney was listed for him.

Neighbors said Martin lived alone quietly, often sitting in front of his one-story home with its neat lawn, well-trimmed shrubbery and flag pole with U.S. and Navy flags flying.

Joanne Ritchie, 46, said Mugrage was known as "a good kid," but she always also considered Martin to be friendly.

Union Township is near Batavia, about 20 miles east of Cincinnati.

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:19 PM
...and you thought the bitches at Desperate Housewives were mean... :eek: :sad:

Scotso
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:22 PM
What a fucking psycho.

drake3781
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:24 PM
This is in my city... it's a suburb of Cincinnati. What I gather is that the man was constantly being irrirated by this kid and maybe some others. The kids knew that he did not want them on his lawn, so they played with him going on his lawn whenever they wanted in front of him. The kid did one of those "step one foot on the lawn" routines to get the guy mad, and it worked

Infiniti2001
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:34 PM
Now was shooting the unruly punk worth it?? :shrug: Instead of spending the rest of his years enjoying his lawn, he will spend in hanging out with bubba in prison :rolleyes: :lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 21st, 2006, 04:39 PM
Now was shooting the unruly punk worth it?? :shrug: Instead of spending the rest of his years enjoying his lawn, he will spend in hanging out with bubba in prison :rolleyes: :lol:

Or even worse.. a "TOMMY LEE " :eek: ;)

skanky~skanketta
Mar 21st, 2006, 05:07 PM
poor kid.

Scotso
Mar 21st, 2006, 09:27 PM
This is in my city... it's a suburb of Cincinnati. What I gather is that the man was constantly being irrirated by this kid and maybe some others. The kids knew that he did not want them on his lawn, so they played with him going on his lawn whenever they wanted in front of him. The kid did one of those "step one foot on the lawn" routines to get the guy mad, and it worked

According to whom? The guy who shot him? That's not really a reliable source of information right now.

And even if he did do this, did he deserve to be shot? The guy should have called the police and told them this kid was harrassing him.

hablo
Mar 21st, 2006, 09:29 PM
For shame :o

Kart
Mar 21st, 2006, 09:29 PM
I wonder who's tending to his lawn.

RJWCapriati
Mar 21st, 2006, 09:30 PM
:eek:

Helen Lawson
Mar 21st, 2006, 09:33 PM
I wonder who's tending to his lawn.

That's a very good point! :lol:

It's too bad someone died, but I've learned over the years, a lot people are very touchy and weird about their homes and land sometimes and you shouldn't mess with them if they're sensitive about it because it will make them do totally crazy things.

Hmmm, I see a defense, the guy will claim he was high from fertilizer fumes and blame it all on the fertilizer companies. :mad:

drake3781
Mar 21st, 2006, 10:51 PM
According to whom? The guy who shot him? That's not really a reliable source of information right now.

And even if he did do this, did he deserve to be shot? The guy should have called the police and told them this kid was harrassing him.

OMFG I'm getting tired of you second guessing me all the time and nitpicking everything I say. I said I LIVE HERE... it's all over the news!!! The neighbors are interviewed. The kids' friends are interviewed. The police speak on what was said during the confession. The 911 tape is played. Give me a fucking break!!!!!!

And I purposefully made no judgement on whether he deserved to be shot or not. If you infer that I did and want to argue my non-point that's ridiculous.

Scotso
Mar 21st, 2006, 11:55 PM
I think you're getting very angry and defensive for no reason.

decemberlove
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:19 AM
That's what a white picket fence is for, dude.

drake3781
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:43 AM
I think you're getting very angry and defensive for no reason.

No, I'm not, and now you are playing passive-agressive. It's not a charming personality trait; awareness is the first step to changing it.

hablo
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:47 AM
That's what a white picket fence is for, dude.
for real, if you don't want people to walk on your lawn that badly... you might as well put up a fence :worship:

meyerpl
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:49 AM
That's what a white picket fence is for, dude.
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I love it!

silverwhite
Mar 22nd, 2006, 12:49 AM
Is he related to Bree van der Kamp? :o

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:09 AM
No, I'm not, and now you are playing passive-agressive. It's not a charming personality trait; awareness is the first step to changing it.

Dude, I wasn't saying anything about you. I was addressing the situation. Get over it.

Infiniti2001
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:16 AM
I just heard his 911 call on CNN :eek: Here are some pics--- I can't believe this is the lawn he killed for :rolleyes:

The young man . http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8679/032120594927ch.jpg
RIP

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/879/032120594935dh.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4320/032120594950fh.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7222/032120594966cl.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9862/0321205949116wt.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5941/0321205949129of.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1518/0321205949147te.jpg

PatrickRyan
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:17 AM
thats so crazy. I heard about this this moringing and i was like what?

Sally Struthers
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:17 AM
Damn punk ass kids. He didn't deserve a hole blown in him but when you play with fire sometimes you get burned

Solitaire
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:44 AM
This old man has problems. When I was little an old man use to scream at us cause we were on his lawn. We never did it on purpose. This guy is just a crabby old man and should rot in jail.

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:57 AM
That kid looks like poor evil, right? :rolleyes:

The man, however, does look scary.

controlfreak
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:01 AM
Haha! Serves the kid right for deliberately annoying the man. Score one for the misanthropes!

Infiniti2001
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:05 AM
people in the neighbourhood claim he appeared to be a nice man, but he was eccentric :eek:

hablo
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:20 AM
what a crappy looking lawn :spit:

bw2082
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:33 AM
:sad: I don't condone what he did but I can understand if in fact the kids were harrassing him :lol:

polishprodigy
Mar 22nd, 2006, 02:46 AM
What a pyscho!

His grass isn't even that green :rolleyes:

drake3781
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:37 AM
What a pyscho!

His grass isn't even that green :rolleyes:

It's the middle of winter here ;) Just snowed today in fact.

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:37 AM
:sad: I don't condone what he did but I can understand if in fact the kids were harrassing him :lol:

I don't see why you're laughing, it's really not funny at all.

RVD
Mar 22nd, 2006, 05:52 AM
Hold on... something doesn't quite add up.

Was old dude rock'n on the porch with a shotgun in his lap? :scratch:
I mean the kid was shot in the chest, right? :confused:

And if that picture is considered a 'meticulously kept lawn' then people in Ohio need to possibly consider Gardening 101. :eek:

bw2082
Mar 22nd, 2006, 06:15 AM
I don't see why you're laughing, it's really not funny at all.

you're always so serious about everything and need to get rid of the stick that's up your ass.

Alicia Rocks
Mar 22nd, 2006, 06:22 AM
:sad:

bw2082
Mar 22nd, 2006, 06:32 AM
that bad yard looks to be the boy's or another neighbor... you'll notice that the man's has a flag pole and hedges around the front door

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 22nd, 2006, 06:34 AM
This is interesting.
I want to connect this a bit with something I happen to be talking about before, people putting the rights of living things over human rights.
What would be your opinion if this happened to be a dog or a cat and this kid was stepping over it?
Would it be any different and why?
Would the media's outlook on this be any different if it was a cat or a dog?

nikita771
Mar 22nd, 2006, 07:32 AM
This is a prime example of what people call a ticking time bomb. According to the man, he was harassed by the kids constantly. It built up to the point of an explosion. Unfortunately, someone had to die - a child at that. It lets you know that you can never be too sure how far is too far. What you see as harmless teasing, someone else sees as a reason to be killed. Wow....I can only pray for everyone involved.

ceiling_fan
Mar 22nd, 2006, 07:46 AM
freak!

Helen Lawson
Mar 22nd, 2006, 01:22 PM
That's not a lawn I'd shoot someone to protect. My lawn looks way better than that and I don't give a crap about it looking that good.

drake3781
Mar 22nd, 2006, 04:58 PM
This is a prime example of what people call a ticking time bomb. According to the man, he was harassed by the kids constantly. It built up to the point of an explosion. Unfortunately, someone had to die - a child at that. It lets you know that you can never be too sure how far is too far. What you see as harmless teasing, someone else sees as a reason to be killed. Wow....I can only pray for everyone involved.


Thank you!! This is such an important point and it's scary how so many people will push and bully seemingly without any end in sight... there is no "Too Far" in mind. And often the bullying or the sense of being victimized becomes more important than the issue at hand. You can see it everywhere including here at WTAWorld.

This is why anyone talking about the lawn not being very nice is completely missing the point. (Besides the fact that it's the middle of the winter.)

Not to say the shooting was justified, of course!

Scotso
Mar 22nd, 2006, 06:57 PM
you're always so serious about everything and need to get rid of the stick that's up your ass.

If you think I'm always "so serious about everything" then you don't know me very well at all.

flyingmachine
Mar 22nd, 2006, 10:04 PM
:eek:

GracefulVenus
Mar 23rd, 2006, 02:07 AM
Everyone grew up with that one Grumpy neighbor who was anal about their lawn. And most of them do threaten like this man obviously did several times to several different people. I feel really sorry for the young mans family and my prayers are with them. But let this be a lesson to parents to teach there kids to do the right thing all the time; not to say his parents did not, respectfully.

drake3781
Mar 23rd, 2006, 02:30 AM
Everyone grew up with that one Grumpy neighbor who was anal about their lawn. And most of them do threaten like this man obviously did several times to several different people. I feel really sorry for the young mans family and my prayers are with them. But let this be a lesson to parents to teach there kids to do the right thing all the time; not to say his parents did not, respectfully.

haha, you are right! Ours was known as "The Mean Man" :lol: We would play a game that took up about 10 entire yards (forget what it was called, but it was basically a HUGE hide and seek game) and we had to somehow avoid his yard.

We also had a lady called "The Tootsie Roll Lady". Somehow the rules were passed from kid to kid. The way I heard it (and practiced it) was that you go up to her door and ring the bell. But you are not allowed to say anything. :lol: And she will know what you are there for and give you a tootsie roll. But if you say something she will not haha.

Cracks me up now thinking about what she thought of this and what she must have told her friends... :lol: :lol:

~ The Leopard ~
Mar 23rd, 2006, 06:56 AM
Now there's an idea. I can buy my parents a shotgun. That'll be handy next time some teenage brat annoys them. :)

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 23rd, 2006, 12:02 PM
Now there's an idea. I can buy my parents a shotgun. That'll be handy next time some teenage brat annoys them. :)

:haha:

firehorse
Mar 23rd, 2006, 12:40 PM
I have to say that sometimes..Kids are evil..they know things they should not do it....they will do it to piss someone off.....nut killing them will not solve the problem either....