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tenn_ace
Mar 19th, 2006, 10:28 PM
... gets ATP to have more tournaments together (like Slams, IW, NASDAQ)... Otherwise, it'll become a third rate sport for hard core fans only.

It's not only about who wins, but about quality of tennis. Unfortunately, tennis in women's matches is getting uglier.

Just compare IW men's semis and finals to women's to see what I'm talking about... And that's pretty match happens in every tournament (US Open 05 and AO 06) come to mind.

goldenlox
Mar 20th, 2006, 02:34 PM
The WTA needs something big outside the 4 ITF majors. So people notice it.
I think they should give slam money at Miami, over $1 mill to the winner.
Make it a huge event.

Reuchlin
Mar 20th, 2006, 02:46 PM
The WTA needs something big outside the 4 ITF majors. So people notice it.
I think they should give slam money at Miami, over $1 mill to the winner.
Make it a huge event.

I think it's "big" enough-- only problem is that a lot of too players are spoiled and couldn't be bothered to show up at a non-Slam event :tape: :tape:

TonyP
Mar 20th, 2006, 02:59 PM
I thought both women's semi finals were extremely exciting matches and the crowd agreed. Too many UEs, though, no question about that. But the crowds were excited in the semis, despite the fact that no American women were playing. the ladies final left something to be desired, though, but that has been the case in ladies finals for some time now. Only last year's Wimbledon was a really good match.

jonny84
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:38 PM
It really isn't a bad thing to have mixed-events.

It can be beneficial as ATP fans can have the chance to see WTA matches and vice-versa. ATP/WTA events also tend to put on mixed-doubles exhibtion matches which is good for the fans.

A'DAM
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Sorry but I will say BULLSHIT!!!

Women tennis dont need support from men tennis at all!!!

tennisjay
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:48 PM
I thought I would never say this, but the Atp is better than the Wta right know.

goldenlox
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:51 PM
I think the WTA needs pre-tournament hype.
No one even knows the tour just played Indian Wells.

They need the non-tennis media to notice them.
That's why they should have a huge money event.
No one cares about Tier I's and II's.
They need a reason to get attention.

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Sorry but I will say BULLSHIT!!!

Women tennis dont need support from men tennis at all!!!

You are totally deluded. Attend one of these tournaments and you will see that the number of fans watching Lena D. vs. Sania match (in a huge stadium) is less than watching Nadal first round doubles in a tiny grandstand (essentially stands).

Maybe it's only true for USA as I go to US based tournaments only, but I've been to US Open, NASDAQ, IW, Pilot Pen (last year) and it's pretty much the same story.

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I think the WTA needs pre-tournament hype.
No one even knows the tour just played Indian Wells.

They need the non-tennis media to notice them.
That's why they should have a huge money event.
No one cares about Tier I's and II's.
They need a reason to get attention.

sorry sweetheart, but they do have a lot of hype and promotion. What they need (and I do not know how to achieve it) is some quality tennis. Sure women's matches might have drama, but quality of tennis seems low (ue upon ue upon ue).

TeaMMashA
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:02 PM
i prefer WTA to ATP simply because theres more talent at the top of the sport! and more competition.

Pureracket
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Sounds like a few of my fellow Hingis fans are a bit bitter about the semis.

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM
Sounds like a few of my fellow Hingis fans are a bit bitter about the semis.

If you meant me, I was very satisfied with semis as 3 out of 4 are my favourites and the last one WAS my favourite up until AO 2006.

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:08 PM
i prefer WTA to ATP simply because theres more talent at the top of the sport! and more competition.


ok, let's compare

Roger = ?
Nadal = ?
Safin = ?
Bagdaitis = ?

let alone Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero, etc...................................

Pureracket
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:14 PM
ok, let's compare

Roger = ?
Nadal = ?
Safin = ?
Bagdaitis = ?

let alone Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero, etc...................................
No, you mean:

Roger


Nadal



Safin
Bagdatis


Roddick
Ferrero
(Interestingly enough, you left off Blake who is ranked higher than Ferrero and Safin. I'm wondering if you hate him for the same reason you hate Serena).

Piotr'ek
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:15 PM
I heard WTA has much better ratings :wavey:

A'DAM
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:16 PM
You are totally deluded. Attend one of these tournaments and you will see that the number of fans watching Lena D. vs. Sania match (in a huge stadium) is less than watching Nadal first round doubles in a tiny grandstand (essentially stands).

Maybe it's only true for USA as I go to US based tournaments only, but I've been to US Open, NASDAQ, IW, Pilot Pen (last year) and it's pretty much the same story.

And thats a good point men!!!

No Im not deluded! Im mostly attending european tournaments and belive me WTA is doing just fine!

For example in Den Bosch ATP & WTA cooperation the WTA matches are much more attended by the crowd than ATP!!!

goldenlox
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:16 PM
but they do have a lot of hype and promotion. What they need (and I do not know how to achieve it) is some quality tennis. Sure women's matches might have drama, but quality of tennis seems low (ue upon ue upon ue).Fans want rivalries, big championships.
They want event programming.

A'DAM
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:19 PM
ok, let's compare

Roger = ?
Nadal = ?
Safin = ?
Bagdaitis = ?

let alone Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero, etc...................................

Cmon man look at hte competition ATP is boring becouse if you see Federer in the draw you know who will be the winner.
If there is Nadal maybe he has a chance...

BORING

tennisjay
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:20 PM
I heard WTA has much better ratings :wavey:


They use to, but now since Rodger I think the WTA ratings are falling.

A'DAM
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:22 PM
We need Anna Kournikova back she knows how to make hype!

Piotr'ek
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:22 PM
They use to, but now since Rodger I think the WTA ratings are falling.
nope :)

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:22 PM
No, you mean:

Roger


Nadal



Safin
Bagdatis


Roddick
Ferrero
(Interestingly enough, you left off Blake who is ranked higher than Ferrero and Safin. I'm wondering if you hate him for the same reason you hate Serena).

Actually, Blake is my favourite player - a very nice, humble, down to earth fellow, who I met and really enjoy talking to. So, there is really no basis for comparison to Serena. :p

PS. Should ask you whether "the intersting part" from MTF as well or it was geniunly your idea? :lol:

GracefulVenus
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:27 PM
I think the WTA needs pre-tournament hype.
No one even knows the tour just played Indian Wells.

They need the non-tennis media to notice them.
That's why they should have a huge money event.
No one cares about Tier I's and II's.
They need a reason to get attention.
You are sooooooooooo right. Mom mother thought is was the US Open for goodness sake. Of course I laughed. But yes, if you want to increase the popularity of the sport have the sponsors drop some cash for television advertising for the tourneys, not just that same damn Indian Wells Commercial they kept showing in between the matches. And If I see that damn Bulova Watch commercial one more time, I think I'll go crazy. Anyways, let the people who don't keep up with tennis like us nerds ;) know who is going to be at these tourneys through television advertising. :bounce:

Piotr'ek
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:33 PM
I think the WTA needs pre-tournament hype.
No one even knows the tour just played Indian Wells.

They need the non-tennis media to notice them.
That's why they should have a huge money event.
No one cares about Tier I's and II's.
They need a reason to get attention.
for what? :)
As long as Wta has better ratings - no hype necessary :p

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:35 PM
for what? :)
As long as Wta has better ratings - no hype necessary :p

not sure what ratings you mean... could you clarify?

Piotr'ek
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:42 PM
tv :)

at least in Europe :angel:

A'DAM
Mar 20th, 2006, 04:47 PM
tv :)

at least in Europe :angel:

Specially in europe WTA is very popular, You cant watch at it trough the USA market! USA is not the only place where tennis fans are :rolleyes:

Pureracket
Mar 20th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Actually, Blake is my favourite player - a very nice, humble, down to earth fellow, who I met and really enjoy talking to. So, there is really no basis for comparison to Serena. :p

PS. Should ask you whether "the intersting part" from MTF as well or it was geniunly your idea? :lol:Substitute MTF and mishar(who is brilliant), then we can talk.;)

Oddly enough, I'm wondering about something: You use the word "humble" to describe Blake, and that's why you don't like Serena; however, you like Martina Hingis who is the last person I'd call humble.

Does a person who fits Blake's or Serena's demographic have to be humble in order for you to like him/her?:confused:

Helen Lawson
Mar 20th, 2006, 05:27 PM
The only thing that can save tennis today is to have Big Masha and Little Masha play doubles at every tournament.

fammmmedspin
Mar 20th, 2006, 05:28 PM
They both have the same problem - declining, vanishing numbers of US players and players from small countries at the top of the rankings (or French players which is better but not terribly exciting outside France) Add to that the lack of great globally recognised names once Agassi, Capriati and the Williams sisters join Sampras, Seles, and Graf. Maria isn't loved yet.They can't even get Christine's name right. Roger is a great player not a great fan draw.

IW was quite good but Miami is a better indicator of what happens to the women at joint tournaments - lets see who gets shunted off to some obscure court?

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Substitute MTF and mishar(who is brilliant), then we can talk.;)

Oddly enough, I'm wondering about something: You use the word "humble" to describe Blake, and that's why you don't like Serena; however, you like Martina Hingis who is the last person I'd call humble.

Does a person who fits Blake's or Serena's demographic have to be humble in order for you to like him/her?:confused:

Martina has a special place in my heart. She brought me into tennis, so, unless, she kills someone, I'll keep staying her fan. Now, since that out of the way, the last question seems to be irrelevant. (the answer is Yes):wavey:

tenn_ace
Mar 20th, 2006, 05:31 PM
They both have the same problem - declining, vanishing numbers of US players and players from small countries at the top of the rankings (or French players which is better but not terribly exciting outside France) Add to that the lack of great globally recognised names once Agassi, Capriati and the Williams sisters join Sampras, Seles, and Graf. Maria isn't loved yet.They can't even get Christine's name right. Roger is a great player not a great fan draw.

IW was quite good but Miami is a better indicator of what happens to the women at joint tournaments - lets see who gets shunted off to some obscure court?

:lol:

point well taken. let's come back to this thread in 2 weeks... :wavey:

canoe.
Mar 20th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Otherwise, it'll become a third rate sport for hard core fans only. I hate to break it to you, but tennis in general, men's or women's, IS a third rate sport watched largly by hard core fans!

Piotr'ek
Mar 20th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Mens tennis will be fine for years to come as quick as ATP will suspend Fedex :D

jenny161185
Mar 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM
my theory is inUk and Ireland they need to show more coverage of tennis on the mainstream channels not just on sky sports or eurosport, I mean when Wimbledons on everyone goes tennis mad and seems to want to take it up only a few weeks later to have almost forgotten about it!