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pigam
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:24 AM
I was just wondering.
Elena is one of these players, everytime Justine (my ultimate fav) has to play her, I'm quite worried, because I find it hard to figure out a strategic plan that works well against Dementieva.
Hitting hard: n,ot going to work
Moving her around: go ahead, she'll bring it back deep and hard
Don't give her angles: She doesn't have a problem with creating her own (especially witht hose FH's she takes on the rise)
Play with a lot of effect: She doesn't seem troubled by it

You see my point? Of course you can try to attack her serve, but that's only a first step. I just feel as if -for a lot of players- Elena is maybe the trickiest player to play against, because on top of all of that she's very strong mentally too.

I think (hope) Justine-Elena could be a very interesting match.
Do I make sense?

Would be nice if we could make this into an actual tennis-thread; you know, about tennis ;)
Anyone have any ideas on how justine (other player) should play Dementieva, and what Elena should do against justine in their SF?

Thx :p

Knizzle
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Actually you kinda don't make sense seeing as Dementieva has been taken apart numerous times against the top players, also Justine basically owns her. :lol:

Alenyaa
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:33 AM
Well, first of all, I think Justine is the favorite to win this match. (as much as it pains me to say this... :p)

But trying to provide an answer to your question, I think the game that works best against Elena is to use all the width of the court and then come to the net and/or use a dropshot to finish off the point. Even though it is a risky strategy given Elena's superb passing shots at times, I do think that is te best strategy to use.

RR-87
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:34 AM
You need to attack Elena's serve and in your turn serve well. I think it can work against Lena :sad:
Hope Justine won't do it well :p

pigam
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:38 AM
Actually you kinda don't make sense seeing as Dementieva has been taken apart numerous times against the top players, also Justine basically owns her. :lol:
I know about their head to head (quite a few close matches though)
But the thing is, after Justine (or another player) won i always ask myself "How did she do it?". When she plays Kim, i kinda see how she (tried to) beat Kim, same when she plays Masha or even Amélie. With Elena, i don't see it. I don't see the "taking apart" happening. Maybe I should have a better look. But if anyone could tell me just HOW to take her apart, that would be nice.

ps: no, I'l not carlos, nor pierre-yves nor Justine elle-même ;) :p

Knizzle
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:42 AM
I know about their head to head (quite a few close matches though)
But the thing is, after Justine (or another player) won i always ask myself "How did she do it?". When she plays Kim, i kinda see how she (tried to) beat Kim, same when she plays Masha or even Amélie. With Elena, i don't see it. I don't see the "taking apart" happening. Maybe I should have a better look. But if anyone could tell me just HOW to take her apart, that would be nice.

ps: no, I'l not carlos, nor pierre-yves nor Justine elle-même ;) :p

Her backhand can be pounded, that's be the place you'd want to serve to rather than the FH. If u stay aggressive and keep her on the defensive then she's no problem to beat. I know I make it sound easy, but I've seen her get bullied around plenty especially with that serve. Someone like Justine has the variety to make Elena move forward with the midcourt slice and Elena's not that great at net so that's a good play.

Prizeidiot
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:09 AM
I don't see a specific gameplan against Elena as such (apart from picking on her second serve) It's just up to the other player to execute their own game and/or let Elena have one of her horrible days.

frenchie
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:11 AM
You should ask Myskina!!

Prizeidiot
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:14 AM
You should ask Myskina!!
Oh, you mean play her in her first Grand Slam Final, let her completely self destruct, and then let that scar her for the rest of her career.

Yeah, I'd prefer it if other players didn't do that to Elena :p

Spunky83
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:27 AM
Scaring Elena is definetly the best way to destroy her game and I think Justine is capable of doing that :lol:

Pigam...I think you´re just experiencing the typical Justine-fan fear;)

However, playing a game full of surprising shots and a clever strategy might do the trick. Plus Justine has to come up with a good return game, serve well as Elena is a killer returner and if she has to trade groundstrokes with Lena try to place them as close to the baseline as possible and come up to the net often.

I can´t wait for the semis today!

racquetspeed
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:35 AM
pick on her second serve, attack her backhand and hit behind her to keep her off balance

suzie
Mar 17th, 2006, 09:43 AM
Elena is not a "traditional" power hitter, that's what can make her troublesome to all court players like Justine. In a good day (i.e. less than 2 DFs per serve game :p ), Elena can be a tough opponent to Justine, IMO it's not the forehand or the backhand that should dictate the game plan but crosscourt/down the line options. I'd say Elena has advantage in crosscourt shots while Justine owns the down the line ones. Part of the plan should be not giving Elena pace and bringing her to the net as much as possible... but I think it pretty much depends on Elena's plan (and her ability to put it on court), not Justine's. ;)

Asif_Nawaz
Mar 17th, 2006, 10:28 AM
attack the serve every chance u get and match her in groundstrokes u cant be inconsistent with dementieva otherwise she'll step up and start playing consistently herself.

Ryan
Mar 17th, 2006, 10:49 AM
Her backhand can be pounded, that's be the place you'd want to serve to rather than the FH. If u stay aggressive and keep her on the defensive then she's no problem to beat. I know I make it sound easy, but I've seen her get bullied around plenty especially with that serve. Someone like Justine has the variety to make Elena move forward with the midcourt slice and Elena's not that great at net so that's a good play.


Miami '04 anyone? :lol: (I think that was when Serena creamed her anyway).

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:11 PM
Elena's opponents should all just accept the fact that defeat is inevitable, not even try, and hope that they don't draw her in the next tournament until the finals.

parn2257
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:17 PM
from my point of view this match against Justine is feel like final to me
well I hope today will be the day that lena play well just like final in tokyo!
GO LENA YOU CAN DO IT

Natasc
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:21 PM
it's really a tough question
I guess thats all depends on the day....

Elena can be unbeatble...but she can lose for 63 62

I guess whe should all back here when the match begans for say something
after see if Elena is on her day or at least out of her bad ones ;)

Mightymirza
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:23 PM
Ask myskina...:lol:Shes the one who can play crap and even then beat lena many times...Somehow she makes lena play crappier and make mistakes..

Dementinator
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:24 PM
well as i see it ,the biggest mistake anyone makes when playing Lena is thinking they are home and dry when they are 6-1 3-0 up ,time and TIME again Lenas fought back and in her doing it ,shaken her oppo ,as they see their lead slipping away ,If ELenas having a bad day ,then she can still sometimes win just on the back of her sheer strength and fitness ,grinding away until the oppo can give no more.

Greattennis
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:28 PM
ask ivanovic how sche did it in the first set. You must dominate the game.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:37 PM
Well there's one way...

....wait for a 1st serve fault, then stand in the box waiting for the second. You'll get a free point. :lol:

pancake
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Why don't ask S.Williams?

pigam
Mar 17th, 2006, 01:47 PM
Why don't ask S.Williams?
I'll give her a call later, her cell seems to be switched off at the moment :shrug:

Dementinator
Mar 17th, 2006, 02:04 PM
shes too busy eating thast why..

No Name Face
Mar 17th, 2006, 02:26 PM
lena should win today. i have faith.

pigam
Mar 17th, 2006, 02:29 PM
thanks for the replies, although few people have actually answered the initial question :devil: :p
But ok... ;)

I'm convinced that she can beat Justine or any toher player. She has the game and the mental fortitude. but again, what strikes me is that it seems (is it because she's "inconsistent"?) difficult to execute a real game plan against her.
We'll see what both girls have in petto for us it'll be interesting I think.
I do advise Elean to hits her slow secondsliceserves again, because Justine always has more difficulties with those than with hr hard serves ;)

crazillo
Mar 17th, 2006, 02:45 PM
1. Attack the serve.
2. Don't give her a rhytmn; use high balls, slices, drop-shots, hard flat shots and mis that up very well.

I think the second point is really important. I also think you shouldn't give her too much of an angle.

Natasc
Mar 17th, 2006, 02:48 PM
ask ivanovic how sche did it in the first set. You must dominate the game.
for ur info...Lena always has a slow start

of course that Ana played good, but Lena bad play help too

adison-hingis
Mar 17th, 2006, 03:31 PM
Henin will be very aggressive for sure. However, as I have seem Elena practicing on the court last week for several times as well as playing her official matches, I noticed she's getting more confident about her game. She has become not only a consistent player, but powerful too. Of course, there are still some areas she will need to work on her game. But overall, I'm quite impressed by Elena's game. It would be in interesting 3 setters match.

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2006, 04:10 PM
A lot of it depends on Elena. If she gets herself into the match, she can be very tough, especially on slower surfaces.
Some days she just doesn't have the goods.

MLF
Mar 17th, 2006, 04:17 PM
The ideal way to play Elena is a way that no player really uses these days. That's to chip and charge down the line behind her serve and force her to pass off a low sliding three quarter length or better ball. Lisa Raymond did this perfectly a couple of years ago aginst her in Filderstadt and took her out 6-0 7-5. I would imagine a Navratilova, Sukova or Shriver cleaning her up every time they would have played her if they'd met. Other than that you need a lot of power.

TeamUSA#1
Mar 17th, 2006, 05:43 PM
Elena moves so well side to side (prob. better than any other player ou there IMO), you need to get her moving but then hit behind her

ATTACK THE SERVE

and be the first one to attack.

DEETHELICK
Mar 17th, 2006, 05:57 PM
I disagree that Elena's BH is that weak. It is the RELATIVELY weaker wing, but she can crank it just as well as the FH.

My strategy isn't so much about her serve but about hitting DTL. Elena often goes for angles crosscourt, it takes courage to go DTL. Thats what will push Elena in a defensive position.

Everyone believes Elena is just a hard hitter. That is the base of her game, but when watching her play, you can see she is able to vary the pace, depth and spin on her groundies (especially the BH) to cause trouble. She isn't a hard hitter a la Davenport, Maria who are just hitting the same ball over and over.

The serve is too difficult to attack, I can imagine Justine will mix it up, however I think Elena will be ready.

Justine does own Elena, but their matches have become much tighter and that is because of Elena's growing confidence and achievements. I'm hoping for an exciting match :)

Vamos Feńa
Mar 17th, 2006, 06:10 PM
- try to mix the shots
- let her lead 5/1 in 3rd set -> nerve time will begin :devil:

Still loving Lena :kiss::hug:

ys
Mar 17th, 2006, 07:09 PM
Very simple plan against Elena. A player who can play a good, deep defence will almost always beat her. As powerful as she is, she does not have a firepower to blast an ultra-fast retriever like Clijsters or Henin off the court. And she does not have a sufficient tactical/technical skills to be able to finish the point consistently - her netgame is patchy and not natural, her overheads are far from perfect, her errors on short balls are frequent. Just play a solid defense, In 2 points out of 5 - she'll eventually miss. In another 1 point out of five she'll try to come in and will get passed/miss the volley. 2 out of 5 she will win , but she will be losing the percentage and will eventually get very frustrated.

That's why Kim and Justine own her - because they are capable of playing patient, disciplined defense.

mboyle
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Serve welll; get 100% of returns back and deep, and, if possible, hard. The backhand can be attacked as well.

morningglory
Mar 17th, 2006, 08:14 PM
just hold your serve ;)