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tennisbum79
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:35 PM
... The Dubai Port Deal.



I do not usually agree with the Bush Administration, but on this matter he was right.
What the public does not know is that only 2 US companies can manage ports. Currently 80% of US ports are managed by foreign entities, tied to government or not.


UAE was clearly the wrong country to pick on. They have cooperated with the US on apprehending terrorists, they have allowed to the US military to have bases on their soil and fly mission from there.


But the climate of anti-Arab prejudice has been cultivated for so long by US politicians that it was very difficult to reverse in a matter of days.

The administration itself, despite having its top general and Ambassador in Iraq being of Arab ancestry, has not done enough to discourage this.


It was strange when the top general finally came out and said the debate was poisoned by anti-Arab bigotry. This after testifying at the Senate.


It does not help that Bush himself claim he was not aware of the deliberation that led to the decision.

spokenword73
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:37 PM
The problem is not that Bush was right, it is the American public has lost confidence in his so-called leadership and no longer trusts him or his many lies.

tennisbum79
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:42 PM
The problem is not that Bush was right, it is the American public has lost confidence in his so-called leadership and no longer trusts him or his many lies.

You may be right, but I think other politicians who know better (Hillary Clinton among them) did not help by disingenuously distorting the fact to make their points. They knew that it was impossible for the US to manage ALL of the country’s ports, yet they repeatedly made the statement that no US port should be under foreign control. When reminded that the US Coast Guard was actually responsible for the security, they ignore the point and found other arguments.

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spokenword73
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:45 PM
this Dubai port deal really became symbolic of the outsourcing of American jobs. It probably isn't logical, but I think folks are tired of everyone in the world owning pieces of America, when the average American worker hasn't had a raise in years and lives paycheck to paycheck. I said good bye Dubai and good riddance.

tennisbum79
Mar 12th, 2006, 04:52 PM
this Dubai port deal really became symbolic of the outsourcing of American jobs. It probably isn't logical, but I think folks are tired of everyone in the world owning pieces of America, when the average American worker hasn't had a raise in years and lives paycheck to paycheck. I said good bye Dubai and good riddance.

But these port were previously managed by a Great Britain company, which sold it to the Dubai company. I wonder the percentage of the jobs that are held by foreign nationals.

jbone_0307
Mar 12th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Bush only has himself to blame for this. If the american people had trust and confidence in his leadership and his abilities to make logical decisions (i.e. war in Iraq, hurricane Katrina), this would have gone right under the radar. I don't think they distorted the facts plus Bush has pissed off Congress, which gives them another reason to bring up the issue.

dementieva's fan
Mar 12th, 2006, 05:39 PM
this Dubai port deal really became symbolic of the outsourcing of American jobs. It probably isn't logical, but I think folks are tired of everyone in the world owning pieces of America, when the average American worker hasn't had a raise in years and lives paycheck to paycheck. I said good bye Dubai and good riddance.

No one is owning the pieces of America :rolleyes: . If you want a hardcore capitalist country, you have to accept the byproducts of capitalism. :rolleyes:

Scotso
Mar 12th, 2006, 07:26 PM
If you want a hardcore capitalist country, you have to accept the byproducts of capitalism.

I agree with you 100%.

spokenword73
Mar 12th, 2006, 08:56 PM
No one is owning the pieces of America :rolleyes: . If you want a hardcore capitalist country, you have to accept the byproducts of capitalism. :rolleyes:

No owns pieces of America? Pleeze...we are so deeply in debt to China... I hate to think what would happened if the Chinese pulled out of our markets.

The rejection of the port deal (which is what this thread is about) was symbolic. Americans see their jobs going overseas, and those not interested in the nuances of who owns ports and why (like me) see Dubai owning/monitoring/supervising/controlling our ports as an example of the evils of "outsourcing."

May seem irrational, but for many folks this was a highly emotional issue. The question is why didn't GWB anticipate this?:confused:

tennisbum79
Mar 12th, 2006, 09:18 PM
No owns pieces of America? Pleeze...we are so deeply in debt to China... I hate to think what would happened if the Chinese pulled out of our markets.

The rejection of the port deal (which is what this thread is about) was symbolic. Americans see their jobs going overseas, and those not interested in the nuances of who owns ports and why (like me) see Dubai owning/monitoring/supervising/controlling our ports as an example of the evils of "outsourcing."

I am a software developper, and my devlopement team has members in northern Mexico (just South of El Paso), in Bangalore, the majority of the team. In the US, just 4 members, of them 2 are Indians.

All this to say, globalization has shrunk the world, using Capitalism as a vehicle. For awhile it was one way, primarily western workers ripping all the benefits, but now thank to the internet, the third world is beginning to compete. As my boss told us just Friday, companies or workers can either adapt and get in the game, or keep complaining and go out of business or be out of work.

May seem irrational, but for many folks this was a highly emotional issue. The question is why didn't GWB anticipate this?:confused:

When it comes to Bush, it is not irrational at all. Bush is a creature of conviction, beliefs, and gut feelings. He does not base decision making processes on forward thinking, historical references or thoughful deliberative debates. He uses his conviction and beliefs.

Thas has happened times and times again Harriet Miers, Vladmir Putin, Mike Brown, the war in Irak.

I am not trying to get off subject, just explaining why Bush did not anticipate this. His base usually follows him to whatever decision he makes because they think he (Mr Bush) was chosen by God to lead them and free the world.
Not this time, or they chose to keep silent.

jbone_0307
Mar 13th, 2006, 08:28 PM
No owns pieces of America? Pleeze...we are so deeply in debt to China... I hate to think what would happened if the Chinese pulled out of our markets.

The rejection of the port deal (which is what this thread is about) was symbolic. Americans see their jobs going overseas, and those not interested in the nuances of who owns ports and why (like me) see Dubai owning/monitoring/supervising/controlling our ports as an example of the evils of "outsourcing."

May seem irrational, but for many folks this was a highly emotional issue. The question is why didn't GWB anticipate this?:confused:


Absolutely!! China owns 40% of the U.S. debt and they are taking advantage of our market and we're just spoon feeding them. Our economy would collapse and the president isn't doing shit the try and stunt the growth or stop them from taking advantage of our market (vice versa). He is so busy with Iraq and other nations we could easily handle.

Scotso
Mar 13th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Absolutely!! China owns 40% of the U.S. debt and they are taking advantage of our market and we're just spoon feeding them. Our economy would collapse and the president isn't doing shit the try and stunt the growth or stop them from taking advantage of our market (vice versa). He is so busy with Iraq and other nations we could easily handle.

What would you do, then? China may sell a lot to us, but we sell a lot to them. Without China as a market for our products, we would likely be royally fucked.