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Corswandt
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:57 PM
There can be no doubt Mauresmo no longer is the choker and chronic underachiever we all knew from previous episodes; now she's no less than the WTA Tour's top dawg, and wins her matches displaying remarkable mental toughness.

There was a turning point - most commentators believe it was the YEC 2005 final, where Mauresmo rallied from a set down to beat a top-form Pierce.

Other may claim it was only after the AO that Mauresmo finally got the weight of unfulfilled expectations off her back with her first GS win.

My contention is that the turning point was actually before that - at the Philadelphia final against Dementieva last year, just before the YEC. By watching Dementieva choke badly when she was two points away from the title, Mauresmo finally learned what all chokers seem to forget: that no matter how nervous you feel, chances are your opponent feels just the same, if not worse. That moment was the turning point.

So I would like to know what other people here think about the transformation of Amelie Mauresmo. Vote and speak your mind.

lolo21
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:12 PM
in my opinion ,the turning point(though it's a big word) for her was when she lost the Fed Cup and then had all those losses in first round (against Schiavone and Srebotnik).....so even before the Philadelphia tournament.

you often learn way more from your losses than from your wins. :)

fammmmedspin
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Good point. Kim not turning up mentally for the YEC also showed there was the possibility of getting by players who had the H2H over her without actually needing to beat them. The old blocks to her passage are looking shaky. Its also something to do with the Fed Cup -after that horror she might have fallen apart but actually went the other way - something big and positive happened there.

Its also a habit - winning and pulling through are becoming normal to her.

She's also been lucky that the players who fight to wins over her and force her into the territory where she has breakdowns are just not doing it. Mary runs out of steam by the finals, Justine retires, Kim isn't her normal consistent self, Serena, Jen and Venus are nowhere in sight, Elena lacks consistency, Nadia chokes even more, Maria doesn't like her game, Lindsay hasn't made it to play her, Patty looks tired...

lolo21
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:19 PM
She's also been lucky that the players who fight to wins over her and force her into the territory where she has breakdowns are just not doing it. Mary runs out of steam by the finals, Justine retires, Kim isn't her normal consistent self, Serena, Jen and Venus are nowhere in sight, Elena lacks consistency, Nadia chokes even more, Maria doesn't like her game, Lindsay hasn't made it to play her, Patty looks tired...


well ,what 's the point,even if Amelie would have beaten her,you would have found an excuse for Lindsay.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

random fan
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:19 PM
I dont believe a person can change in a heartbeat thanks to the sheer power of will or somekind of revelation. Near death expierience or sudden fear can do that but it is not the case here. I guess there was no turning point here also but a slow process

fammmmedspin
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:15 AM
well ,what 's the point,even if Amelie would have beaten her,you would have found an excuse for Lindsay.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Playing like rubbish or not playing at all is hardly an excuse. Its a circumstance which Momo has risen to and taken advantage of. Fact is we know now Momo can win but we havn't actually seen her win against someone in her class coming at her playing at their best too. We knew she could beat Maria but not how her nerves will hold against an on form top player. We just don't know how Momo reacts to that degree of pressure as we havn't seen anyone provide it. Last person who did - Mary in the YEC first meeting - beat Momo.

Lindsay is an interesting case because she ought to win just on their H2H playing well and she is relatively fit more often than a lot of top 10 players - but Lindsay also has a lot of Momo's old physical and mental problems winning. A match-up betwen those two might really show who has mastered their nerves.

Sam L
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:20 AM
Injuries taking its toll on other players like the Williams sisters and Justine.

silverwhite
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:26 AM
I agree that it was the Fed Cup loss and the 2 first round losses that forced her to regroup and reflect. :)

Prizeidiot
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:06 AM
I'll throw one in from left field.

Perhaps it was her slump and Mary Pierce's success that allowed her to take some pressure off herself. Suddenly she wasn't the great hope of France, and she could enjoy herself a little more.

RJWCapriati
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:45 AM
definitely her squeaking by Pierce in the final of the YEC

marmite1
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Yec

Ceze
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:02 AM
YEC I think

Solitaire
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:24 AM
YEC she had some great wins there and that go the confidence ball rolling.

hayden_tennis
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:29 AM
perhaps her loss to invanovic at sydney was the turning point and she had somethin to prove to the younger girls on tour :S just an idea lol

Zauber
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:54 AM
winning the year end.

Orion
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:58 AM
I think it has been a progression at Wimbledon the past few years. She's gradually developed a winning technique that bodes well against everyone but Davenport and Williams sisters. When she realized that she isn't a consumate power player, she got smarter fast, and blends it with great touch. That game was in transition until the YEC, when she put it to devastating use and realized she can be the best, and there's nobody that can take it away from her.

GrandSlam05
Feb 20th, 2006, 03:16 AM
I think it was YEC, especially after losing to Pierce in the RR and coming back to beat her in the final. Huge hurdle.

vertigo
Feb 20th, 2006, 06:27 AM
I vote for a long process of development + FED CUP heartbreak + YEC/ Philly = Grandslam champion!

tennnisfannn
Feb 20th, 2006, 06:36 AM
Good health makes all thje difference. exetended periods of it alllow for the player's entire game both physical and mental tpo come together. watch a player hit a good period of fitness and watch confidence ride high.

améliemomo
Feb 20th, 2006, 07:48 AM
well I would say between the Philadelphia Finale and the YEC Finale.

We saw a completly different player.She beat Elena dementieva in Phila whereas she was loosing the match.She kept fighting and then won it.

It was a turning point I think but the "real change" with amélie behaviour we saw it during her first match in round robin at YEC against Kim clijsters.She was playing so well and right at the important points.She said that she felt some new serenity there.Than she beat dementieva,lost to Mary pierce ,beat sharapova whereas she was 4-5 down in the first set,finally took it in the tie break.But the most important is her great finale against mary who the day before trashed davenport.Amé fought like a real tiger, yesterday against kim she had the same "eye of the tiger" :) since that victory she said to herself that she can do it,that she is as good as all those players who won big titles.She believe in herself now and know that even if she is down during a match she can still win it, just play right points at right moments. :)

E. Blackadder
Feb 20th, 2006, 08:14 AM
her win over Venus in Antwerp last year was the starting point, but real turning point was the YEC in my opinion

Marshmallow
Feb 20th, 2006, 11:00 AM
I could say..Working with Yannick Noah i think helped a little. I saw Amelie really fight at RG... etc

BUT.... i think winning the YEC, a big title gave her something, non of her other matches, and comebacks (which she had had before) had given here. It kind of took away some of the pressure that had been hurting her in really big matches.

I don't think the turning point was a single match either, i think Amelie has been working hard for a long time, and you could see significant changes from match to match. But i think if you do want to pin it down to a single mach, then it would be the YEC final. Major title = less pressure = better performance. She was still a little tense at the AO, and you could see in her matches against Kim and Justine - she was still a little fragile, but tougher than she had been in the past.... but the AO win, is yet another release of pressure - and in recent days, we have seen wat that has done for her.

Matches she would have just lost a year or so ago - she if fighting harder and believing STILL.

sapir1434
Feb 20th, 2006, 11:26 AM
The important point was the YEC of cours, but I think the Philadelphia final help her a lot too. so don't know, something between them :p

swiss
Feb 20th, 2006, 11:49 AM
well I would say between the Philadelphia Finale and the YEC Finale.

We saw a completly different player.She beat Elena dementieva in Phila whereas she was loosing the match.She kept fighting and then won it.

It was a turning point I think but the "real change" with amélie behaviour we saw it during her first match in round robin at YEC against Kim clijsters.She was playing so well and right at the important points.She said that she felt some new serenity there.Than she beat dementieva,lost to Mary pierce ,beat sharapova whereas she was 4-5 down in the first set,finally took it in the tie break.But the most important is her great finale against mary who the day before trashed davenport.Amé fought like a real tiger, yesterday against kim she had the same "eye of the tiger" :) since that victory she said to herself that she can do it,that she is as good as all those players who won big titles.She believe in herself now and know that even if she is down during a match she can still win it, just play right points at right moments. :)

you're right
she had talent and fitness to be the best but she did'nt have confidence inn herself enough :devil:
now she is enjoying to play great players and beat them, with patience and more agressivity at right moments :lick:

silverwhite
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:06 PM
But the most important is her great finale against mary who the day before trashed davenport.

7-6 7-6 = thrashing? :p

Corswandt
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:34 PM
I think it has been a progression at Wimbledon the past few years. She's gradually developed a winning technique that bodes well against everyone but Davenport and Williams sisters. When she realized that she isn't a consumate power player, she got smarter fast, and blends it with great touch. That game was in transition until the YEC, when she put it to devastating use and realized she can be the best, and there's nobody that can take it away from her.

You make very interesting, original and somewhat counter-intuitive points, as usual.

Good health makes all thje difference. exetended periods of it alllow for the player's entire game both physical and mental tpo come together. watch a player hit a good period of fitness and watch confidence ride high.

Another good point. Mauresmo is one of the fittest athletes on the Tour, and she has been in fine form since she took a break after crashing out in the first round in two consecutive tournaments late last year. She makes her game seem effortless, when it's anything but - it's a superb blend of athleticism, power and touch.

leviathane
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:49 PM
There can be no doubt Mauresmo no longer is the choker and chronic underachiever we all knew from previous episodes; now she's no less than the WTA Tour's top dawg, and wins her matches displaying remarkable mental toughness.

There was a turning point - most commentators believe it was the YEC 2005 final, where Mauresmo rallied from a set down to beat a top-form Pierce.

Other may claim it was only after the AO that Mauresmo finally got the weight of unfulfilled expectations off her back with her first GS win.

My contention is that the turning point was actually before that - at the Philadelphia final against Dementieva last year, just before the YEC. By watching Dementieva choke badly when she was two points away from the title, Mauresmo finally learned what all chokers seem to forget: that no matter how nervous you feel, chances are your opponent feels just the same, if not worse. That moment was the turning point.

So I would like to know what other people here think about the transformation of Amelie Mauresmo. Vote and speak your mind.

I vote for YEC but after reading you post i think you are right, Amelie win YEC because of Philadelphia final where she win without a very good play.

Jenny.C.Fan
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Yec

Veenut
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Good health makes all thje difference. exetended periods of it alllow for the player's entire game both physical and mental tpo come together. watch a player hit a good period of fitness and watch confidence ride high.

Good point, coupled with the fact that most of her nemesis are ailing and not in good form presently. Good for her that she has seized the opportunity to move forward. Let's see how she progressess further in the year.

Aquanetta
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Without question, the YEC. It was her first major title. She beat the best players and, probably most importantly to Amelie, her nerves held up during a big occasion.

GrandSlam05
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:39 PM
7-6 7-6 = thrashing? :p

Agreed. It was an extremely tight match. A couple more first serves for Linds or a couple of big points played better and Lindsay would've won that match in str8s. The stats were insanely good.

mauresmofan
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:48 PM
Playing like rubbish or not playing at all is hardly an excuse. Its a circumstance which Momo has risen to and taken advantage of. Fact is we know now Momo can win but we havn't actually seen her win against someone in her class coming at her playing at their best too. We knew she could beat Maria but not how her nerves will hold against an on form top player. We just don't know how Momo reacts to that degree of pressure as we havn't seen anyone provide it. Last person who did - Mary in the YEC first meeting - beat Momo.

Lindsay is an interesting case because she ought to win just on their H2H playing well and she is relatively fit more often than a lot of top 10 players - but Lindsay also has a lot of Momo's old physical and mental problems winning. A match-up betwen those two might really show who has mastered their nerves.

I watched that match and you would want to be living permanently in Lala land to think either Amélie or Maam tried their hardest winning that match - It was a NOTHING match - both had qualified and there really wasn't much incentive for them to go hard at it and be tired for the semis. The level between that round robin match and the final were worlds apart. I think the Maam supporters would agree that she played better in the final than she did in the Round robin stage even though she won the round robin and lost the final.

Belco
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:54 PM
YEC for sure

Chunchun
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:54 PM
I almost forget LenaD choked against momo badly in Phily last year :p

Linnie
Feb 20th, 2006, 03:23 PM
in my opinion ,the turning point(though it's a big word) for her was when she lost the Fed Cup and then had all those losses in first round (against Schiavone and Srebotnik).....so even before the Philadelphia tournament.

you often learn way more from your losses than from your wins. :)
Totally agree. I believe Amélie even mentioned that in a recent interview.

hablo
Feb 20th, 2006, 03:26 PM
I think Fed cup and those awful losses prior to Philly ;)

but really I have no clue.... :lol: