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SerenaSlam
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:32 PM
All this talk about Venus and Serena and what they are doing. Personally I think that they represent an athelte to the fullest. A tennis player has the most demanding schedule in my opinoin to any other sport. And why is this? Well b/c the tour is so demanding. But you have Serena and Venus Williams who basically do things just the opposite of how people and the tour want things done. They honestly need to stop being worried about. Im so over it right now that Im more exicted about what Moive Premier or Fashion Gig etc they are gonna be at than a tennis court. They have a life people. And it just so happens that instead of getting to only live it maybe 2 weeks ere now and then they'd rather enjoy it more than the "other players". They will be back. And if yall know the sisters like u think you (especially serena) they will come back banging. Especially when it comes to Serena's body. I can be the first to say that serena has let it slip some....but you all overxaggerate things. This is how I feel when it comes to Serena. If she ends up like her mom, then we must worry. Venus is built like Richard...no worries....Serena is built like Oracene.....i know i need not explain that.

random fan
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:36 PM
You see to a lot of people here this concept of having a life is pretty hard to grasp because they dont happen to have one. Hence all the whining

Marcell
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:41 PM
By the way,Serena will be on the Tony Danza Show tomorrow on ABC 10am est.

switz
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:43 PM
while i don't disagree with the sentiment that they deserve a life - i think you're a bit over the top because the reality is that neither Venus or Serena have played a particularly demanding schedule for a number of years and plenty of athletes have to do a lot more work to get results in different sports.

I think they'll probably get motivated again but I also thought Kournikova would and look what happened there. And no i'm noy comparing their tennis ability but if i'm honest i do think they need to make some kind of sign relatively soon they are commiting themselves to their tennis if , and i emphasise IF that's what they want to achieve the kind of results most know they are capable of. I'm not saying they are not interested i just want to see more fire.

I think women's tennis credibility could be in a little bit of trouble in the years to come if it's top stars start taking such a casual approach to the sport.

Babolatpro880
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM
While I do agree that the Williams sisters are great and it's nice that they do things outside of tennis and everything else, in their current state they do not whatsoever "represent an athlete to the fullest." True athletes, to me, are those who do everything they can to excel at their sport. Serena, specifically, at this point, isn't. Something like the Serena of 2002, however, really represents an amazing athlete to me. She was in supreme physical shape, something needed very much in tennis, and she was basically light years ahead of anyone else on the tour.

CrossCourt~Rally
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:47 PM
I agree...all tennis players deserve lives off the courts. Its a hard balancing act for some people though. Priorities will prevail in the end. I hope that tennis will become a priority for the Williams at some point again in there lives. :D :wavey:

Marcell
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:50 PM
while i don't disagree with the sentiment that they deserve a life - i think you're a bit over the top because they reality is that neither Venus or Serena has played a particularly demanding schedule for a number of years and their are plenty of athletes have to do a lot more work to get results in different sports.

I think they'll probably get motivated again but I also thought Kournikova would and look what happened there. And no i'm comparing their tennis ability but if i'm honest i do think they need to make some kind of sign relatively soon they are commiting themselves to their tennis if, and i emphasise IF that's what they want to achieve the kind of results most know they are capable of.

I think women's tennis credibility could be in a little bit of trouble in the years to come if it's top stars start taking such a casual approach to the sport.


But I thought the sentiment was that when they were winning it was bad for the sport. You would think that people would be happy that other people are getting the opportunity to shine. I personally enjoy seeing them play but they should know what is best for them.

Stamp Paid
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:54 PM
I think Venus and Serena are sick of playing tennis.

alwayshingis
Feb 19th, 2006, 10:59 PM
So you're happy if they are not playing?

What if they both come back from injury and start playing a complete schedule. Will you be complaining that they play too much and should be off having a life?

If these players are your favorites, don't you want to see them actually playing? When Martina was retired, I really couldn't care less about what she was doing off the court, I just wanted to hear about whether she was coming back or not.

K-Dog
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:05 PM
I kind of used to really get annoyed by them having lives that took away from tennis, but it doesn't seem to bother me now. I think the more I mature, the more I realize that one must do what's right for themselves and not others that want them to do other things. The sisters have earned the right to do what they want with their lives and more power to them. As I said, I respect Venus for continuing and finishing up her education. Serena is the best player of her generation and in my mind can do whatever she wants to do with her time. It is their lives, not yours folks.

Most of the girls on tour have NO lives outside of tennis. They don't know how to interact with ppl outside of tennis and are really screwed in the long run. Once tennis is over, they often won't know what to do with their time. That won't happen to Venus or Serena. After tennis, both girls will be either a full-time fashion designer/actress or an owner of an interior design firm. That's a lot to keep up with on its own and it will keep Venus and Serena very busy.

If I was 24 or 25 and had been playing tennis at the highest level my whole life, I think I would want to see what life still has more me in other realms. Tennis would become boring and monotonous. A little variation in the daily plan would make me enjoy my time on the court a little more as I got older. Venus and Serena will be back sooner or later winning again, I'm SURE of that. They will do things their own way though. Not the way that everyone else wants them to do it.

ptkten
Feb 19th, 2006, 11:16 PM
I think that fans have a right to be upset that they haven't played. The game suffers without them in top form both from a quality standpoint and a marketing standpoint. I know that most supporters will always believe their injuries and believe that they have no obligation to the tour but I can't honestly sit here and say that I've been happy with their commitment to the game the past year or so. Having said that, however, I know just as little about the truth of their lack of activity as the next person so anyone's opinion could be right.

Pheobo
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Wouldn't representing an athlete to it's fullest mean being happy off court and having good results simultaneously?

SvetaPleaseWin.
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:13 AM
i think its great that they have lives outside of tennis, and i think more and more players realise now that there is life away from tennis. i dont think that their lives away from tennis 'distract' them, if they wanted to play every week and rack up the titles like clijsters then they would.

yes i want to see them play, but i want to see them both fit and healthy first. watching serena and venus play poorly or injured is worse then not seeing them play at all.

LindsayRulez
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:23 AM
well that's funny, every other player has a life too, go figure!

Rexman
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:28 AM
I kind of used to really get annoyed by them having lives that took away from tennis, but it doesn't seem to bother me now. I think the more I mature, the more I realize that one must do what's right for themselves and not others that want them to do other things. The sisters have earned the right to do what they want with their lives and more power to them. As I said, I respect Venus for continuing and finishing up her education. Serena is the best player of her generation and in my mind can do whatever she wants to do with her time. It is their lives, not yours folks.

Most of the girls on tour have NO lives outside of tennis. They don't know how to interact with ppl outside of tennis and are really screwed in the long run. Once tennis is over, they often won't know what to do with their time. That won't happen to Venus or Serena. After tennis, both girls will be either a full-time fashion designer/actress or an owner of an interior design firm. That's a lot to keep up with on its own and it will keep Venus and Serena very busy.

If I was 24 or 25 and had been playing tennis at the highest level my whole life, I think I would want to see what life still has more me in other realms. Tennis would become boring and monotonous. A little variation in the daily plan would make me enjoy my time on the court a little more as I got older. Venus and Serena will be back sooner or later winning again, I'm SURE of that. They will do things their own way though. Not the way that everyone else wants them to do it.


How the hell do you know what the other girls know or don't know. And what do you know about their lives?

Just because they don't want to be in the public eye doesn't mean they don't have outside interests. They all do.

Serena and Venus just love the spotlight.

Dawn Marie
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:29 AM
I mean I really don't have anything to complain about being a tennis fan and all. I mean Venus won her fifth slam last year in great style and Serena ownes 7 herself. More then what alot of players who've been playing since Janurary have in their trophy case.

i honestly don't have a valid reason to post against V@S in this thread. I mean I know they know that the same fools that want them back want to see them under bad intentions. We saw how they reacted when they started dominating and kicking peoples asses. You couldn't hear a pin drop. These same folks LOVE roger federer though. rotflmao.

Sinnet
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:37 AM
Nobody's criticizing them having lives outside of tennis. People are criticizing the fact that they do all of these other things and then when it comes time to play tennis, they either withdraw, or they're out of shape, or they're out of form.

To put it simply: people are fed up with the excuses. You either commit yourself to tennis enough to play (you can balance both worlds), or you focus on the activities that you make you happier.

I don't think people want to see them retire -- people want to see them happy and make a decision whether tennis is what they (I'm referring more to Serena than Venus here, but this thread is about the two of them) want to do. If they don't want to play tennis, then the world loses some great players, but atleast they'll be happy. If they do want to play tennis, they need to show it more and play events.

vettipooh
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:41 AM
Serena and Venus just love the spotlight.[/QUOTE]
Nah!!!! The spotlight just loves them!!!:lol: :p ;)

Xanadu11
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:52 AM
I like Venus and Serena and all, but I wish everyone would stop going on about their great careers outside of tennis. There are very few players who have really gone on to be 'famous' after quitting tennis (ala kournikova). That said, they can do whatever they like with their time. As long as they are happy.

Rexman
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:52 AM
I was wondering how many badreps I would get for my post. Quite a few so far....

MisterQ
Feb 20th, 2006, 12:57 AM
People with Serena and Venus' talent and interests have to make remarkably hard decisions with a lot of public scrutiny. We all struggle with the balance between work and play, and the balance between various dreams of ours and how to realize them in our limited time. So I don't envy their situation. However, I do think there is a long history of incredibly gifted people who stretched themselves too thin and weren't able to focus on their true gifts. It would be amazing to see what V&S could do if they approached tennis as obsessively as Picasso approached art, or Beethoven approached music.

Many people who achieve great things in their field do not "have a life." Or they do have a life, but one which is rather low-key and allows them to focus their energies on the things at which they are working to excel. It's sad but true: There is not enough time in the day to do everything that one wants to, or to pursue every dream. We have to choose how to direct our energies.

Venus and Serena have astonishing reserves of talent. I think it's wonderful that they have so many outside interests and are well-rounded people. The question is whether those interests should develop into ambitions which divert attention away from the thing at which they are almost freakishly gifted. It's one thing to love something as a hobby, and quite another to develop it into a career. It's also important (and often challenging) to balance social life against one's work.

There is also the question of time frame... one only has a decade or so to perform as a top tennis player, but hopefully there will be many years after that to pursue other interests.

I keep thinking of the case of Andre Agassi, who spent much of his early career taking time off, getting in and out of shape, vascilating between commitment and apathy, and seemingly trying to prove that tennis did not define his life. It's fascinating that at some point he decided that he did not want to end his career wondering what might have been. He committed himself and worked hard to make sure that every drop of his amazing talent could be put to use. Ultimately, he decided that he was comfortable being, above all else, just a tennis player.

darrinbaker00
Feb 20th, 2006, 01:12 AM
People with Serena and Venus' talent and interests have to make remarkably hard decisions with a lot of public scrutiny. We all struggle with the balance between work and play, and the balance between various dreams of ours and how to realize them in our limited time. So I don't envy their situation. However, I do think there is a long history of incredibly gifted people who stretched themselves too thin and weren't able to focus on their true gifts. It would be amazing to see what V&S could do if they approached tennis as obsessively as Picasso approached art, or Beethoven approached music.

Many people who achieve great things in their field do not "have a life." Or they do have a life, but one which is rather low-key and allows them to focus their energies on the things at which they are working to excel. It's sad but true: There is not enough time in the day to do everything that one wants to, or to pursue every dream. We have to choose how to direct our energies.

Venus and Serena have astonishing reserves of talent. I think it's wonderful that they have so many outside interests and are well-rounded people. The question is whether those interests should develop into ambitions which divert attention away from the thing at which they are almost freakishly gifted. It's one thing to love something as a hobby, and quite another to develop it into a career. It's also important (and often challenging) to balance social life against one's work.

There is also the question of time frame... one only has a decade or so to perform as a top tennis player, but hopefully there will be many years after that to pursue other interests.

I keep thinking of the case of Andre Agassi, who spent much of his early career taking time off, getting in and out of shape, vascilating between commitment and apathy, and seemingly trying to prove that tennis did not define his life. It's fascinating that at some point he decided that he did not want to end his career wondering what might have been. He committed himself and worked hard to make sure that every drop of his amazing talent could be put to use. Ultimately, he decided that he was comfortable being, above all else, just a tennis player.
This is, without question, the most profound post on this subject. Well done, my friend.

K-Dog
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:09 AM
How the hell do you know what the other girls know or don't know. And what do you know about their lives?

Just because they don't want to be in the public eye doesn't mean they don't have outside interests. They all do.

Serena and Venus just love the spotlight.

Because most of these people have been playing tennis their whole lives and nothing more than that. Going to school wasn't worth risking the time training, so they gave that up and got schooled at home or online. You lose SO many important life lessons going to school. You learn time managment skills, study skills, how to work as a team, and you learn how to socializew with your peers. Mary Pierce regrets not going to high school or college and wishes she could've went to prom and just hung out with her friends.

I'm not saying that all these girls have no interests outside of tennis, but most of them have no real lives outside of tennis because that is all they do. It is hard to make really close friends with your competitors on the WTA tour when you are playing everybody every week. Your friend might have taken your money or your title because they beat you. That is pretty hard to deal with and create a solid friendship around. When your time is done on the tour, you find that you really don't have that many friends in your life because all you did was tennis and were closed off to what normal human beings go through with school and the work environment.

Mightymirza
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:18 AM
i think same people will praise them if they are winning..Doesnt matter abt their life as long as they r successful on court..But doesnt look like it rt now..Hopefully situation will change....

Ryan
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:25 AM
All this talk about Venus and Serena and what they are doing. Personally I think that they represent an athelte to the fullest. A tennis player has the most demanding schedule in my opinoin to any other sport. And why is this? Well b/c the tour is so demanding. But you have Serena and Venus Williams who basically do things just the opposite of how people and the tour want things done. They honestly need to stop being worried about. Im so over it right now that Im more exicted about what Moive Premier or Fashion Gig etc they are gonna be at than a tennis court. They have a life people. And it just so happens that instead of getting to only live it maybe 2 weeks ere now and then they'd rather enjoy it more than the "other players". They will be back. And if yall know the sisters like u think you (especially serena) they will come back banging. Especially when it comes to Serena's body. I can be the first to say that serena has let it slip some....but you all overxaggerate things. This is how I feel when it comes to Serena. If she ends up like her mom, then we must worry. Venus is built like Richard...no worries....Serena is built like Oracene.....i know i need not explain that.


:yawn: Athletes actually play.

RJWCapriati
Feb 20th, 2006, 02:37 AM
All this talk about Venus and Serena and what they are doing. Personally I think that they represent an athelte to the fullest. A tennis player has the most demanding schedule in my opinoin to any other sport. And why is this? Well b/c the tour is so demanding. But you have Serena and Venus Williams who basically do things just the opposite of how people and the tour want things done. They honestly need to stop being worried about. Im so over it right now that Im more exicted about what Moive Premier or Fashion Gig etc they are gonna be at than a tennis court. They have a life people. And it just so happens that instead of getting to only live it maybe 2 weeks ere now and then they'd rather enjoy it more than the "other players". They will be back. And if yall know the sisters like u think you (especially serena) they will come back banging. Especially when it comes to Serena's body. I can be the first to say that serena has let it slip some....but you all overxaggerate things. This is how I feel when it comes to Serena. If she ends up like her mom, then we must worry. Venus is built like Richard...no worries....Serena is built like Oracene.....i know i need not explain that.


Only thing I know is Serena will regret not playing all these tournaments in a few years when she is retired.

SerenaSlam
Feb 20th, 2006, 05:55 PM
while i don't disagree with the sentiment that they deserve a life - i think you're a bit over the top because the reality is that neither Venus or Serena have played a particularly demanding schedule for a number of years and plenty of athletes have to do a lot more work to get results in different sports.

I think they'll probably get motivated again but I also thought Kournikova would and look what happened there. And no i'm noy comparing their tennis ability but if i'm honest i do think they need to make some kind of sign relatively soon they are commiting themselves to their tennis if , and i emphasise IF that's what they want to achieve the kind of results most know they are capable of. I'm not saying they are not interested i just want to see more fire.

I think women's tennis credibility could be in a little bit of trouble in the years to come if it's top stars start taking such a casual approach to the sport.
You are right...the sisters have never really played a demanding schedule...and u must have never thought to realize that they have never actually allowed tennis to fully part of their lives. Like someone said...there are so many players out there that only know Tennis, tennis, tennis....venus and serena are not like that and don't want it to be like that.

Dawn Marie
Feb 20th, 2006, 10:52 PM
:yawn: Athletes actually play.

after they come back from a three year burnt out break.. that it. lol