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Volcana
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:03 PM
The match was in Paris. Only a Tier II, but still an opportunity for Mauresmo to disintegrate in front of the home folks. The scoreline suggests she was quite solid. (I didn't see the match.) However, with the YEC, her first GS and a win on her home soil under her belt, Mauresmo does seem poised to make a run at Roland Garros this year. Which isn't to say she's gonna beat an in-form Serena, or Justine Henin-Hardenne there, but at least they'll have to beat her, she won't give it away.

Win a GS + Win in France = Win GS in France? Maybe.

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:03 PM
she won paris indoors 2001, nice also ;)

hablo
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:07 PM
imo, it's too early to tell if a "new" Momo is indeed blossoming before our eyes ;)

we'll, just have to wait and see :hearts::bounce:

blumaroo
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM
I think she's definitely mentally stronger. ANd the pressure of her not winning a slam is gone. Every top player would feel more relaxed when you're not carrying that burden on your shoulders. She knows the feeling of advancing to a grand slam final and winning it. Although I must say she was totally outplayed last year at RG.

Orion
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:11 PM
What struck me most about Mauresmo in the past five years is that she's had pretty much the same ability, she's just been at different levels of confidence. In the past year, she's come to the net so much more than before, and it has paid off. Also, she's going for smarter shots, allowing herself to go for winners when the time comes, but not forcing the issue. Her fitness is better than ever, and she seems more equipped to commit to taking risks and fighting out a match. I can only hope this all adds up to another title, but I think she's going to be more successful at Wimbledon.

LeRoy.
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:12 PM
i think she might be the fave to win RG this year alongwith JHH , Sveta and Kim if they are healthy and in form

Shenanigans
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:12 PM
She probably will have more pressure this year but in fact she could feel less pressure, she really has nothing to prove she has achieved everything she wanted she said today she is not scared to lose a match anymore. I think that is a good attitude.

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Although I must say she was totally outplayed last year at RG.

however, nerves played a big part on that

ivanovic played a part too i guess ;)

Ryan
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:38 PM
I think she's definitely mentally stronger. ANd the pressure of her not winning a slam is gone. Every top player would feel more relaxed when you're not carrying that burden on your shoulders. She knows the feeling of advancing to a grand slam final and winning it. Although I must say she was totally outplayed last year at RG.


I don't necessarily agree. I think Sharapova is an example of someone who feels more pressure at every GS since her win at Wimbledon.

Kart
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:38 PM
She played well today from what I saw.

Whether she's turned a corner is hard to say until she comes up against a player that has had the better of most of their big meetings - eg. Serena.

hablo
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:41 PM
She played well today from what I saw.

Whether she's turned a corner is hard to say until she comes up against a player that has had the better of most of their big meetings - eg. Serena. and especially, Lindsay ! ;)

Derek.
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:49 PM
This Paris tournament isn't as meaningful as the one in May. ;) So we'll "see" then.

anlavalle
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:36 AM
I think it´s different with Sharapova, before wimbledon nobody talks about her then she won and became the favorite of the media and the public and it´s another kind of pressure, on the other hand momo was in top 10 for 6 years but collapsed in the big ones

tennisIlove09
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Beating an in-form Serena? I dont think she'll have to worry about that, actually. We havent seen Serena TRULY inform since probably the 2004 Wimbledon quarters/semis. Maybe that Wimbledon loss effected her.

I think beating JHH on clay will be her big thing. And possibly Pierce.

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:50 AM
Now for Antwerp (if she's not totally exhausted).

fammmmedspin
Feb 13th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Confidence comes with success. Not sure she won't revert to type at the Fo but elsewhere she is building momentum.

Its a two way street too- beating Mary is no surprise as Mary just can't stay up long enough to pull out a final win against a really top player and now has a real history of blasting anyone else out of the way but losing the final. Mary now enters finals with that mental baggage whilst Momo has 3 wins worth of positive feelings going into finals.

Its the same with the rest of the top 10 and the top ten in exile - every week they struggle with injuries or fall apart playing the balance shifts towards the player who manages to stay out there winning. If Momo gets a few more wins she is going to be well placed for the yyear unless she starts drawing better players who are fit or the lower ranked players like Ana or Francesca who can beat her on their day.

Brooks.
Feb 13th, 2006, 02:31 AM
Beating an in-form Serena? I dont think she'll have to worry about that, actually. We havent seen Serena TRULY inform since probably the 2004 Wimbledon quarters/semis. Maybe that Wimbledon loss effected her.

I think beating JHH on clay will be her big thing. And possibly Pierce.

yea but momo can't beat an out of form Serena so what's the difference.... :devil: :p

turt
Feb 13th, 2006, 10:10 AM
Sure she has had a good consistency, but she always did, only to fall in the semis in big events... At the AO she got to the semis (hardly surprising with her) with a clear path and then Kim and Justine retired. So yeah, definitely she has more confidence because she's a Slam winner now, but I wouldn't bet too much money on her winning another slam... But who knows :confused:

LostGlory
Feb 13th, 2006, 10:26 AM
Sure she has had a good consistency, but she always did, only to fall in the semis in big events... At the AO she got to the semis (hardly surprising with her) with a clear path and then Kim and Justine retired. So yeah, definitely she has more confidence because she's a Slam winner now, but I wouldn't bet too much money on her winning another slam... But who knows :confused:

Another Belgian and a very unbiast opinion:rolleyes: ....may I remind you that she was way up in both games:rolleyes: .....Give it a rest and stop making fun of yourselves......

jlamire
Feb 13th, 2006, 10:51 AM
I think she's definitely mentally stronger. ANd the pressure of her not winning a slam is gone. Every top player would feel more relaxed when you're not carrying that burden on your shoulders. She knows the feeling of advancing to a grand slam final and winning it. Although I must say she was totally outplayed last year at RG.

Well if I look at their head-to-head:

Sydney Jan 15 2006 A Ivanovic - A Mauresmo(2) 6-3 7-5
Roland G. June 5 2005 A Ivanovic(29) - A Mauresmo(3) 6-4 3-6 6-4
Miami Apr 3 2005 A Mauresmo(1) - A Ivanovic 6-1 6-4
Doha Feb 27 2005 A Mauresmo(1) - A Ivanovic-WC 2-6 6-2 6-4
Australian O. Jan 30 2005 A Mauresmo(2) - A Ivanovic 6-2 7-5

The last two games were won by Anna:
- in Roland Garros....mmm even a average player can beat Mauresmo during that event (Remember Jana Kandarr ?)
- in Sydney it was her first match of the year...

so even If I agree Anna can play incredible tennis and can be a tough player, or has the game that matches well the one of Mauresmo, I would not be so sure about her every time she plays against Mauresmo.

Sam L
Feb 13th, 2006, 10:54 AM
The match was in Paris. Only a Tier II, but still an opportunity for Mauresmo to disintegrate in front of the home folks. The scoreline suggests she was quite solid. (I didn't see the match.) However, with the YEC, her first GS and a win on her home soil under her belt, Mauresmo does seem poised to make a run at Roland Garros this year. Which isn't to say she's gonna beat an in-form Serena, or Justine Henin-Hardenne there, but at least they'll have to beat her, she won't give it away.

Win a GS + Win in France = Win GS in France? Maybe.
Um, she's already won this tournament before.

turt
Feb 13th, 2006, 10:59 AM
Another Belgian and a very unbiast opinion:rolleyes: ....may I remind you that she was way up in both games:rolleyes: .....Give it a rest and stop making fun of yourselves......
I guess I didn't see the same Kim vs. Amélie match as you, because as far as I remember, Kim was up a set, and in the third it was 3-2 Mauresmo... How is it way up? :confused:
Concerning the Justine vs. Amélie match, I agree Amélie was way up, but I believe she wouldn't have been "way up" had Justine been fully fit...

Sam L
Feb 13th, 2006, 11:13 AM
I guess I didn't see the same Kim vs. Amélie match as you, because as far as I remember, Kim was up a set, and in the third it was 3-2 Mauresmo... How is it way up? :confused:
Concerning the Justine vs. Amélie match, I agree Amélie was way up, but I believe she wouldn't have been "way up" had Justine been fully fit...
I agree. I think it's BS that Amelie could've gained so much confidence from this. Do trophies really mean so much to the woman? Isn't it about how she won it?

If I were her, I'd still feel I have a point to prove.

Kart
Feb 13th, 2006, 11:53 AM
I agree. I think it's BS that Amelie could've gained so much confidence from this. Do trophies really mean so much to the woman? Isn't it about how she won it?

If I were her, I'd still feel I have a point to prove.

In this regard, fortunately you're not her and hopefully Amelie has taken a lot of confidence from her recent winning streak.

That would make her a better and more competitive player for other major tournaments which is surely what most of us want.

LostGlory
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:19 PM
I guess I didn't see the same Kim vs. Amélie match as you, because as far as I remember, Kim was up a set, and in the third it was 3-2 Mauresmo... How is it way up? :confused:
Concerning the Justine vs. Amélie match, I agree Amélie was way up, but I believe she wouldn't have been "way up" had Justine been fully fit...

I dont know what they showed you in Belgium but the matches I saw were the ones that actually took place...:p with Kim they were a set each true but Amelie was up a break in the third, as for the final Justine was so owned and frustrated by Amelie that she did not even finish the game.....well she can add the title of the first player to retire from a Grand Slam final to her many trophies....

LostGlory
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:20 PM
In this regard, fortunately you're not her and hopefully Amelie has taken a lot of confidence from her recent winning streak.

That would make her a better and more competitive player for other major tournaments which is surely what most of us want.

:lol: :haha:

ys
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Mauresmo does seem poised to make a run at Roland Garros this year. Which isn't to say she's gonna beat an in-form Serena, or Justine Henin-Hardenne there

No need of Serena or JHH for that. Decent form of someone like Dementieva, who owns Amelie outdoors and on clay, will be quite enough..

Ceri
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:31 PM
I don't necessarily agree. I think Sharapova is an example of someone who feels more pressure at every GS since her win at Wimbledon.
It's not the same at all: Mauresmo has been waiting for years, with the 'best female tennis player never to have won a slam' hanging over her. Now she has, she can relax and continue to play really well - she'll never have that pressure hanging over her again. Sharapova might feel some pressure as she's been hyped up so much by the media, culminated in a slam but then her form dropped... but her case is very different to that of Mauresmo - Sharapova hasn't been playing for the number of years Amelie has in trying to win a slam - so the pressure is entirely different - thus you can't really be suggesting Mauresmo, in the latter stages of her career, will be feeling the same hype pressure as Maria, who is just starting out?

spencercarlos
Feb 13th, 2006, 12:47 PM
The match was in Paris. Only a Tier II, but still an opportunity for Mauresmo to disintegrate in front of the home folks. The scoreline suggests she was quite solid. (I didn't see the match.) However, with the YEC, her first GS and a win on her home soil under her belt, Mauresmo does seem poised to make a run at Roland Garros this year. Which isn't to say she's gonna beat an in-form Serena, or Justine Henin-Hardenne there, but at least they'll have to beat her, she won't give it away.

Win a GS + Win in France = Win GS in France? Maybe.
Not sure if she will win Roland Garros this year, but after the Masters 2005 Mauresmo already had turned the corner.
Mentally she is there, and with the Australian Open win, she is the woman to beat at the moment, she already put a lot of pressure off by winning this grand slam, and probably could win more. Mauresmo always had the talent and now that she believes, she could be a threat for any slam now.

Bumsby
Feb 13th, 2006, 01:32 PM
Not sure if she will win Roland Garros this year, but after the Masters 2005 Mauresmo already had turned the corner.
Mentally she is there, and with the Australian Open win, she is the woman to beat at the moment, she already put a lot of pressure off by winning this grand slam, and probably could win more. Mauresmo always had the talent and now that she believes, she could be a threat for any slam now.
Exactly!

Do not bring the "retirement" story on, and how she couldn't have gained much confidence winning the AO, because Amélie herself has always said that the turning point for her was winning the Masters, and NOT the Australian Open.

At the YEC, she gained confidence because she beat a lot of big hitters, including Sharapova in straight sets, and SERVED OUT the championships when she held serve in the third set of the final, being up 5-4.

That was a big tournament, a final, her own serve, the match point, and she didn't tremble. ;)

Light-skinned Girl
Feb 13th, 2006, 02:40 PM
I have nothing against Amélie but the pressure of winning the Open Gaz de France and prevailing at Roland Garros are two vastly different things. To really demonstrate that she "has turned a corner", Amélie needs to breeze through to the quarters at the French Open. Any early difficult matches, her opponent's talent withstanding, will only indicate the nerves of playing in France are still with her.

améliemomo
Feb 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM
she is just happy by playing tennis,she is more relax and put no pressure no more on her shoulders.Just do her passion and then if the results come that's ok but if not its will not be a drama for her no more because she reached her goals:won Fed Cup,Masters,n°1 spot and a Slam.

Well she can be proud of her,she definitly turned the corner, not the same player and hoppefully her wave of victories will continue for long.

Allez Amé!!!!!!!

MinnyGophers
Feb 13th, 2006, 03:28 PM
It's not the same at all: Mauresmo has been waiting for years, with the 'best female tennis player never to have won a slam' hanging over her. Now she has, she can relax and continue to play really well - she'll never have that pressure hanging over her again. Sharapova might feel some pressure as she's been hyped up so much by the media, culminated in a slam but then her form dropped... but her case is very different to that of Mauresmo - Sharapova hasn't been playing for the number of years Amelie has in trying to win a slam - so the pressure is entirely different - thus you can't really be suggesting Mauresmo, in the latter stages of her career, will be feeling the same hype pressure as Maria, who is just starting out?

agreed. They have totally different types of pressure even though I would say their career started out very similarly. Two young players who make a breakthrough early in their career, everyone sees a lot of potential, unfortunately, it wasn't achieved entirely. Of course Sharapova won wimby and YEC, but everyone expect so much out of her now that it takes a toll on her.
Now that Amelie finally won the elusive Slam, she said it herself,she has accomplished everything she wanted. World number one, fed cup, grand slam. RG would be a bonus for her even if it would mean so much to the French. I don't see why she would still freeze again at RG and still have any pressure left in the other slams.

turt
Feb 13th, 2006, 03:37 PM
I see what you are saying, MinnyGophers, but don't you think she will have extra pressure if she meets Justine or Kim in Roland Garros?
She may think "Oh well, if I lose this one, everyone is going to say my Australian Open was a fluke, I HAVE to win that match to prove that I don't fold under pressure anymore"...
Also, she will have extra pressure because now that she supposedly overcame her nerve problems, she will be EXPECTED to win RG, especially if she's number one in the world by that time... Should be tough!

griffin
Feb 13th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I don't see why she would still freeze again at RG and still have any pressure left in the other slams.

Because it's Roland Garros. It's THE ONE she's wanted since she was just a wee tadpole, and it's THE ONE the entire country wants her to win. Granted I think the pressure from the latter will be less of a burden this year, and I agree that the YEC was a major turning point for her and that we're seeing a very different Amelie Mauresmo.

But RG is still in a class by itself in terms of the way it challenges her mental and emotional strength.

Of course I'd love to see her do well there, and I"m not saying she won't, but I think we should also be realistic and acknowledge that the only way for her to prove she can handle Roland Garros, is for her to handle Roland Garros.

MinnyGophers
Feb 13th, 2006, 04:00 PM
okay i get the point for Roland Garros, but I don't think people will expect her to win it. She will be a high contender for it, but no one can ever predict for sure who is going to win no matter how well they have been playing.
Amelie should not be ashamed of losing against players such as Justine and Kim, they are two of the best players of the tour. She is bound to lose to them at some point again. But my point is, I feel Amelie shouldnt feel pressured against "lesser" players.

Barrie_Dude
Feb 13th, 2006, 04:02 PM
The match was in Paris. Only a Tier II, but still an opportunity for Mauresmo to disintegrate in front of the home folks. The scoreline suggests she was quite solid. (I didn't see the match.) However, with the YEC, her first GS and a win on her home soil under her belt, Mauresmo does seem poised to make a run at Roland Garros this year. Which isn't to say she's gonna beat an in-form Serena, or Justine Henin-Hardenne there, but at least they'll have to beat her, she won't give it away.

Win a GS + Win in France = Win GS in France? Maybe.The only way this could be better is if Momo beat her with a baseball bat! :haha:

griffin
Feb 13th, 2006, 04:07 PM
okay i get the point for Roland Garros, but I don't think people will expect her to win it. She will be a high contender for it, but no one can ever predict for sure who is going to win no matter how well they have been playing.
Amelie should not be ashamed of losing against players such as Justine and Kim, they are two of the best players of the tour. She is bound to lose to them at some point again. But my point is, I feel Amelie shouldnt feel pressured against "lesser" players.

Actually, I think now most of the pressure will be internal, because of what it means to her. Expectations ARE high, but I think the one big difference for her is that those expectations won't get to her. Her own expectations may be another story (and who said she should be ashamed of anything? ;) )

Farina Elia Fan
Feb 13th, 2006, 04:11 PM
I think amelie has confidences in herself and her game now

améliemomo
Feb 13th, 2006, 04:44 PM
okay i get the point for Roland Garros, but I don't think people will expect her to win it. She will be a high contender for it, but no one can ever predict for sure who is going to win no matter how well they have been playing.
Amelie should not be ashamed of losing against players such as Justine and Kim, they are two of the best players of the tour. She is bound to lose to them at some point again. But my point is, I feel Amelie shouldnt feel pressured against "lesser" players.

agree with you minnygophers ;) the top players are so close to each other but amélie is different now.When she doesnt play good or is tired she stay calm and relax.We saw it during her semi final against tatiana golovin.She was close to be beaten but managed to stay IN,she was really tired and tatiana played awsome too but she managed to win it and stronger,she beat mary pierce the day after.That's proove that she has turned a corner."The past amélie" could have loose this semi finale and finale but not now no more.

She just KNOW that she can WIN against the best players and the hard hitters like mary.Dont know how she will come to Roland Garros,how much confidence she will have,it a slam and of course it very very difficult to win it,especially that one because its her favorite but well,we 'll see.Just seeing her so happy on a court makes me happy :)

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 13th, 2006, 05:05 PM
if she won RG, i'd be ecstatic.

améliemomo
Feb 13th, 2006, 05:09 PM
if she won RG, i'd be ecstatic.

rendez vous after RG then ;)