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Geisha
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Serena Williams would have won the 2004 Year-End Championships Final against Maria Sharapova, if she didn't have an abdominal injury.

You got any others?

SvetaPleaseWin.
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Venus Williams would have won the Wimbledon 2003 Final against Serena Williams, if she didn't have an abdominal injury.

kosmikgroove
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
I would have won Wimbledon if I got a walkover in every match from qualifying to the final! :)

Shenanigans
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
This thread is going to turn into a war zone shortly. :tape:

anlavalle
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:53 PM
If you donīt won, You donīt no matter what injurys, heat, bad days you have, itīs simple like that

lindsayno1
Feb 11th, 2006, 08:58 PM
If Davenports back wasnt injured in the 2005 Wimbledon final she would have defeated Venus Williams

If Davenports leg wasnt injured in the 2004 US Open semi final she would have defeated Kuznetsova and probably won the whole tournament.

Wsisters45
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:01 PM
If Davenports back wasnt injured in the 2005 Wimbledon final she would have defeated Venus Williams

If Davenports leg wasnt injured in the 2004 US Open semi final she would have defeated Kuznetsova and probably won the whole tournament.


I agree about Svetlana. Disagree about Venus. Venus fought the whole entire match. She still would've won IMO.

new-york
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:03 PM
This thread is going to turn into a war zone shortly. :tape:

no, no. :) let's have faith in everybody's behaviour. :) .......

If Davenports back wasnt injured in the 2005 Wimbledon final she would have defeated Venus Williams
If Davenports leg wasnt injured in the 2004 US Open semi final she would have defeated Kuznetsova and probably won the whole tournament.

:Tries not to begin himself: :)

MinnyGophers
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:03 PM
If Amelie's back didnt turn on her during her semifinal against Serena at Wimbledon 2004, she would have had two slams by now.

vogus
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Serena Williams would have won the 2004 Year-End Championships Final against Maria Sharapova, if she didn't have an abdominal injury.

You got any others?


TROLL ALERT!

frenchie
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:09 PM
Today, Tatiana would have won her match against Amélie if she would have won her match point.... :shrug:

SvetaPleaseWin.
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:18 PM
kuznetsova would have beaten myskina in the french open 4th round 2004 and gone on to win the tournament if she hadn't choked

kuznetsova would have beaten henin in the french open 4th round 2005 and gone on to win the tournament if she hadn't choked

RenaSlam.
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:19 PM
Serena would have won every tournament by now if she wasn't injured/didn't beat herself in every match... :lol:

cartmancop
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:20 PM
I agree that Davenport would have won the USO '04 if she hadn't been injured in the SF vs. Kuznetsova. She was playing way too good that summer for anyone to stop her IMO.

I've always felt that Amelie would have won the AO in the year she had to default her QF to Zuluaga... She was playing well & that just set her back further.

I agree about Serena/Maria @ the YEC.

smiler
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Any player would beat any other player if they played a better match :shrug:

hingis-seles
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:35 PM
Hingis would have beaten Graf at RG in 1999 if she hadn't had to suffer terrible officiating and a obnoxious crowd. She would have also won RG in 1997 had she not fallen off the horse. She would also have won AO 2000 if she'd used more slices and moved Lindsay around more instead of getting into rallies with her. She would have won AO 2002 if it wasn't so fucking hot. She would have won 1999 US Open if she hadn't had to play so soon after her exhausting semifinal against Venus. She would have won 1998 Wimbledon if she'd been more focused and played a smarter match against Jana instead of throwing it away.

Monica would have won every Slam in tennis history if she hadn't been stabbed.


:p

Brooks.
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Serena would've won that French Open SF in 03' if not for "the Hand" incident...

frenchie
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Serena would've won that French Open SF in 03' if not for "the Hand" incident...

:worship: :tape:

waratahsrock
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Serena Williams would have won the 2004 Year-End Championships Final against Maria Sharapova, if she didn't have an abdominal injury.

You got any others?

:bs:

iPatty
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:41 PM
Patty Schnyder would have beat Venus Williams in Stanford if she didn't get cheated, plus miss a routine backhand. :p

iPatty
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:41 PM
:bs:

It's easy for a Masha fan to say that. ;)

waratahsrock
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:43 PM
It's easy for a Masha fan to say that. ;)

:lol: true.. but before Serena got the injury, Maria was just about to claim the second set anyway, and was playing the better tennis at the time.

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:43 PM
:bs:

I think you need to watch the match, but that is just me.

Anyways, this thread is just going to be a bombshell of attacks. :lol:

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:43 PM
:lol: true.. but before Serena got the injury, Maria was just about to claim the second set anyway, and was playing the better tennis at the time.


Serena was 4-0 in the THIRD set, and THAT is when she got the injury and could not hit a FIRST serve above 75 MPH.

waratahsrock
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Serena was 4-0 in the THIRD set, and THAT is when she got the injury and could not hit a FIRST serve above 75 MPH.

maybe you should watch the match a little more closely.. serena took the injury timeout towards the end of thesecond set. and was serving below 75 from the start of the third set onwards.

Brooks.
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:45 PM
:worship: :tape:

if not for that cheater Henin...Serena would've gone on to win 6 slams in a row equaling Navratilova :fiery: :sad:

Brooks.
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:48 PM
nobody really knows what would have happened in that 04' yec final really....Serena got to a 4-0 lead with the injury so the third set probably would have been a little different without it (then again I think the second set would have been a lot closer as well)...i'd like the believe though that Serena would've pulled out the third if not for the stomach injury

marmite1
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:51 PM
Im sorry but plz just shut up. It didnt happen so blah.

frenchie
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Myskina would have won her semi at the Olympics against Henin if she hadn't start thinking too much.... :sad:
A better serve would have helped too :rolleyes:

vogus
Feb 11th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Patty Schnyder would have beat Venus Williams in Stanford if she didn't get cheated, plus miss a routine backhand. :p


no backhand is routine for Patty. :p

Geisha
Feb 11th, 2006, 10:48 PM
I agree about Svetlana. Disagree about Venus. Venus fought the whole entire match. She still would've won IMO.

Definitely.

Lindsay moved badly for two or three points after her injury. How soon we forget the physical and incredible rallies Venus and Lindsay played near the end of the Wimbledon Final. One rally was 28 strokes.

Geisha
Feb 11th, 2006, 10:49 PM
nobody really knows what would have happened in that 04' yec final really....Serena got to a 4-0 lead with the injury so the third set probably would have been a little different without it (then again I think the second set would have been a lot closer as well)...i'd like the believe though that Serena would've pulled out the third if not for the stomach injury

Serena would have won, for sure.

She had been serving bombs that whole tournament. When Serena got injured, she couldn't use her biggest weapon. Just look at matchpoint.

Geisha
Feb 11th, 2006, 10:50 PM
maybe you should watch the match a little more closely.. serena took the injury timeout towards the end of thesecond set. and was serving below 75 from the start of the third set onwards.

Imagine what lead Serena would have had without the injury. I reckon she would have bagelled Maria.

Sam L
Feb 11th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Justine would've beaten Amelie if she wasn't injured in Oz 2006.

Martina would've beaten Steffi in RG99 if she had been more mentally stronger and able to block out the bad calls.

waratahsrock
Feb 11th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Imagine what lead Serena would have had without the injury. I reckon she would have bagelled Maria.

the injury forced serena to try and finish points off quickly, which caught Maria by surprise. without the injury, serena wouldn't have changed her approach. who knows what would've happened, the fact is before the injury occured, Maria was taking control of the match.

at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is Maria won, so let it go.

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 11:30 PM
the injury forced serena to try and finish points off quickly, which caught Maria by surprise. without the injury, serena wouldn't have changed her approach. who knows what would've happened, the fact is before the injury occured, Maria was taking control of the match.

at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is Maria won, so let it go.

We have a right to post our opinion, this is what the thread starter wanted us to do.

DragonFlame
Feb 11th, 2006, 11:42 PM
since this isn't a hate thread.

justine would have beaten amelie for her fifth grandslam if she wasn't sick.

justine would have still been no1. and won more grandslams if it wasn't for the stupid virus.

elena would have won a grandslam if she had her best form in the final instead of her chokeform.

elena would have been no2. behind justine if she had a decent serve.

michaella krajicek would have played in the final against kim in hasselt if she hit just a few more aces against schiavone.

and i've got many many more :lol:

Floydrose
Feb 11th, 2006, 11:45 PM
Michael Jordan would have been a very good artistic iceskater if he didn't start basketball. :(

Hots4Safin
Feb 12th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Kim would have won the AO 04 if Justine wouldn't have intimidated de Jenkin into making a WRONG call.

Serena would have won FO 03 if Justine hadn't been a dirty classless player.

Venus would have won AO 03 if the Serena Slam wouldn't have been on the line. :devil:

iPatty
Feb 12th, 2006, 12:02 AM
Petrova would have beat Golovin if she didn't waste a matchpoint. :shrug:

GrandSlam05
Feb 12th, 2006, 01:43 AM
I have no doubt Lindsay would've won the US Open 2004 if not for injury. She was easily the best player in the world at the time.
05 Wimbledon, not so sure. She was outplaying Venus from the start, then when it was time to serve out the match in the 2nd set she stopped going for her biggest serves and groundstrokes and LET Venus break her at love. Not saying Venus couldn't have broken, but the fact that Lindsay was broken at love when serving for the match tells you something about her. Bottom line Venus wasn't going to give it to her and Lindsay didn't have the nerve to serve it out. And the longer the 3rd set went the more it favors Venus, injury or no injury.

tenn aussie
Feb 12th, 2006, 01:56 AM
Monica would have won every Slam in tennis history if she hadn't been stabbed.


:p

Very possibly one of the top 5 women players of all-time along with Evert, Navratilova, Wills Moody and Court ... but now we have seen the #2 player of that era take that spot after the true #1 of the early 1990s was stabbed by a madman.

Those who know and remember ... we know how dominant Monica Seles was in those years 1990-1993 and we know the likelihood of her dominance continuing into 1993 and beyond. Anyone who dismisses this is just in denial.

Geisha
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:07 AM
since this isn't a hate thread.

justine would have beaten amelie for her fifth grandslam if she wasn't sick.

justine would have still been no1. and won more grandslams if it wasn't for the stupid virus.

elena would have won a grandslam if she had her best form in the final instead of her chokeform.

elena would have been no2. behind justine if she had a decent serve.

michaella krajicek would have played in the final against kim in hasselt if she hit just a few more aces against schiavone.

and i've got many many more :lol:

You don't have many "matches" in there, just periods of time. :S

new-york
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:10 AM
I have no doubt Lindsay would've won the US Open 2004 if not for injury. She was easily the best player in the world at the time.
05 Wimbledon, not so sure. She was outplaying Venus from the start, then when it was time to serve out the match in the 2nd set she stopped going for her biggest serves and groundstrokes and LET Venus break her at love. Not saying Venus couldn't have broken, but the fact that Lindsay was broken at love when serving for the match tells you something about her. Bottom line Venus wasn't going to give it to her and Lindsay didn't have the nerve to serve it out. And the longer the 3rd set went the more it favors Venus, injury or no injury.

i think, yeah, pretty unusual for Lindsay to be broken at love.
But If it wasn't for Venus several winners in a row, and way back form 2-5 to 4-5 in few minutes...
Venus, and i agree with LINDSAY on that, just played unbelievable tennis when she was down. a match point & "lots of 2 points from the match" did not make it for Lindsay, cause someone else was grabbin the fruit.
Pretty good match, we'll agree. and i'm still hardly wishin for Lindsay to win a slam. I think her three really don't do for her achievements.

If she has another opponent in the final, of course.

GrandSlam05
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:13 AM
i think, yeah, pretty unusual for Lindsay to be broken at love.
But If it wasn't for Venus several winners in a row, and way back form 2-5 to 4-5 in few minutes...
Venus, and i agree with LINDSAY on that, just played unbelievable tennis when she was down. a match point & "lots of 2 points from the match" did not make it for Lindsay, cause someone else was grabbin the fruit.
Pretty good match, we'll agree. and i'm still hardly wishin for Lindsay to win a slam. I think her three really don't do for her achievements.

If she has another opponent in the final, of course.
But part of why Venus hit those several winners in a row is because Lindsay stopped going for her shots and that allowed Venus opportunities. We all know that if Lindsay doesn't go for her shots, she's toast. Lindsay was just kinda waiting for Venus to make errors and give her the title.
But I do give credit to Venus, she could've gotten tentative too and waited for errors from Lindsay, but she didn't.

Geisha
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:16 AM
But part of why Venus hit those several winners in a row is because Lindsay stopped going for her shots and that allowed Venus opportunities. We all know that if Lindsay doesn't go for her shots, she's toast. Lindsay was just kinda waiting for Venus to make errors and give her the title.
But I do give credit to Venus, she could've gotten tentative too and waited for errors from Lindsay, but she didn't.

No, I don't agree. Just look at that first point. Venus hit that gutsy volley and dropped it right over the net. There was no way Lindsay played tight, Venus was just grabbing the fruit.

-VSR-
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Serena and/or Venus would have and still be winning lots more grand slams if they both never had been injured at 2003 Wimbledon and had surgery after that.

*roddicksinme*
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:35 AM
I agree about Svetlana. Disagree about Venus. Venus fought the whole entire match. She still would've won IMO.:lol: cute

Brooks.
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:44 AM
I have no doubt Lindsay would've won the US Open 2004 if not for injury. She was easily the best player in the world at the time.
05 Wimbledon, not so sure. She was outplaying Venus from the start, then when it was time to serve out the match in the 2nd set she stopped going for her biggest serves and groundstrokes and LET Venus break her at love. Not saying Venus couldn't have broken, but the fact that Lindsay was broken at love when serving for the match tells you something about her. Bottom line Venus wasn't going to give it to her and Lindsay didn't have the nerve to serve it out. And the longer the 3rd set went the more it favors Venus, injury or no injury.

um venus played a perfect game at 6-5 in the second...there was nothing lindsay could do and she said as much after the match ;)

GrandSlam05
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:54 AM
um venus played a perfect game at 6-5 in the second...there was nothing lindsay could do and she said as much after the match ;)
Of course she did, it's alot easier to say "she played great" than take fault yourself and say "I had a mini-choke and didn't step it up".
Lindsay should've went for broke at 6-5. Venus stepped it up, but at the same time Lindsay's level dropped and this made it easier for Vee.

junlee_vee
Feb 12th, 2006, 03:25 AM
Definitely.

Lindsay moved badly for two or three points after her injury. How soon we forget the physical and incredible rallies Venus and Lindsay played near the end of the Wimbledon Final. One rally was 28 strokes.

25 strokes..but who's counting! :wavey:

And yes, that injury didn't affect Lindsay after a while of playing, her movement was the same as it had been the whole match...Vee just came up with her best when she needed to. :worship:

serenafan08
Feb 12th, 2006, 05:31 AM
Serena would have beaten Capriati at the 2004 US Open if it weren't for those bad line calls. :mad:

serenafan08
Feb 12th, 2006, 05:31 AM
Serena and/or Venus would have and still be winning lots more grand slams if they both never had been injured at 2003 Wimbledon and had surgery after that.
True that!

Direwolf
Feb 12th, 2006, 05:41 AM
FO 98' 3R? Serena would have won her first slam had she calm herself in her match against ASV.
WI 03' F? Venus would have easil won the match, her groundstroke was sooo deep and hard and was moving Serena side to side.
FO 03' SF Serena would have won the match and the title had the cheater told the truth.
Poland 03' F Venus would have won the match had Amelie not pin a needle in her Voodoo doll.
Berlin 04' F Venus would have won the match had she not twisted her ankle against Sperm.
I agree bout the post earlier that AO 03' Venus would have won that match had Serena not be going for the Serena Slam.
Post Wimbledon 04' Serena Williams would have won more titles had she not taken that operation, I mean was it neccessary.
WI 04' 3R Venus would have taken the 2nd set and eventuall the third set had the Umpire actually not slept in the 2nd set..

SelesFan70
Feb 12th, 2006, 09:25 AM
Chris Evert would have beaten Martina Navratilova in the semi-finals of the 1988 Wimbledon Championships had her obviously in forehand cross-court passing shot not been called out with Chris serving at 30-40. :mad:

Seles would have beatn Arantxa at the 1998 French Open had it not been for that missed overhead. :sad:

Seles would have beat Venus at the YEC 2002 had Venus gotten not 1, but 3 lucky let cords on very crucial points. :mad:

Tracy Austin would've gotten at least 3 more majors had she not gotten injured...not at Chrissie's expense since Chris had finally figured her out, but Martina Navratilova would have 3 less. :eek: Tracy was FEARLESS! :worship:

DragonFlame
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:45 PM
You don't have many "matches" in there, just periods of time. :S

:eek: 3/5 ain't bad :p :)

rjd1111
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Serena Williams would have won the 2004 Year-End Championships Final against Maria Sharapova, if she didn't have an abdominal injury.

You got any others?


She would have won the USO if not for the Alves & CO. cheating.

" The Ball was In "

rjd1111
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:56 PM
She would have won the USO if not for the Alves & CO. cheating.

" The Ball was In "


Also The FO against Justine. " The Hand " incident. Serena had the lead
and Momentum until that happened.

She would have had 9 slams now.

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Very possibly one of the top 5 women players of all-time along with Evert, Navratilova, Wills Moody and Court ... but now we have seen the #2 player of that era take that spot after the true #1 of the early 1990s was stabbed by a madman.

Those who know and remember ... we know how dominant Monica Seles was in those years 1990-1993 and we know the likelihood of her dominance continuing into 1993 and beyond. Anyone who dismisses this is just in denial.

she was not that dominant, she could not win wimbledon after all

therefore, she is not in the same league as steffi, navratilova et al

nice try though :wavey:

!<blocparty>!
Feb 12th, 2006, 03:07 PM
um venus played a perfect game at 6-5 in the second...there was nothing lindsay could do and she said as much after the match ;)

Did you actually read his post before replying here? :)

Wsisters45
Feb 12th, 2006, 03:14 PM
:lol: cute


Not quite,considering it's the truth :wavey:

honeyke
Feb 12th, 2006, 03:52 PM
kim would have won the aussie open 2006,if she didnīt have the bad foot injury!!!