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seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:03 AM
If they meet in the French Open, who would win and what would the scores be. I like all three, so thses guesses are totally un-bias.
1. Lindsay bts Serena 6-2, 3-6, 7-5.
2. Martina bts Serena 6-1, 6-4.
3. Martina bts Lindsay 6-2, 7-5.

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:07 AM
Well Serena has actually won the French Open unlike the other two, so...

1. Serena def. Lindsay 6-4, 6-4
2. Serena def. Martina 2-6, 6-3, 6-4
3. Martina def. Lindsay 7-5, 6-7(5), 7-5 ( :confused: Complete guess.)

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:07 AM
If they meet in the French Open, who would win and what would the scores be. I like all three, so thses guesses are totally un-bias.
1. Lindsay bts Serena 6-2, 3-6, 7-5.
2. Martina bts Serena 6-1, 6-4.
3. Martina bts Lindsay 6-2, 7-5.


I disagree with your Lindsay vs. Serena. I am sorry to say since I LOVE Lindsay and I am no Serena fan but Lindsay blows on clay.

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Sorry, is that the Lindsay that beat a counter-punching Kim last year?

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:13 AM
Well Serena has actually won the French Open unlike the other two, so...

1. Serena def. Lindsay 6-4, 6-4
2. Serena def. Martina 2-6, 6-3, 6-4
3. Martina def. Lindsay 7-5, 6-7(5), 7-5 ( :confused: Complete guess.)

Yes, but Martina always makes at least the quaters. BTW, Serena has won the Aus Open before, Hantuchova hasn't, and who won that match?

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Sorry, is that the Lindsay that beat a counter-punching Kim last year?


Yes, that's the one. Believe my, I cheered and cried tears of joy when it happened - but Kim LOST that match, Lindsay didn't TAKE it.

Also Kim is not a Counter-Puncher, she's an Aggressive Baseliner - same as Lindsay. However, she moves well on clay and knows how to slide. Lindsay admits that dirt her worst surface, by miles.

:rolleyes:

Havok
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:19 AM
Davenport def. Williams 6-4 6-3
Hingis def. Williams 7-5 6-3
Hingis def. Davenport 6-4 2-6 6-4

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:19 AM
Yes, but Martina always makes at least the quaters. BTW, Serena has won the Aus Open before, Hantuchova hasn't, and who won that match?

I am talking about when the players are playing at a level of at 85-90% if that.

Also, why is it that I give MY OPINION and you have something to say about it. Sorry, but I will say what I want and when I want.

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Yes, that's the one. Believe my, I cheered and cried tears of joy when it happened - but Kim LOST that match, Lindsay didn't TAKE it.

Also Kim is not a Counter-Puncher, she's an Aggressive Baseliner - same as Lindsay. However, she moves well on clay and knows how to slide. Lindsay admits that dirt her worst surface, by miles.

:rolleyes:

Half agree with you. Some days Kim goes all out and attacks just like Lindsay, but on other days she just retrieves and retrieves. Also, when playing their hardest shots, Lindsay does hit stacks harder. And if you look at the stats of that match, Lindsay actually hit a couple more erros, so how can you say Kim lost it, as opposed to Lindsat winning it?

Orion
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:21 AM
Well Serena has actually won the French Open unlike the other two, so...

1. Serena def. Lindsay 6-4, 6-4
2. Serena def. Martina 2-6, 6-3, 6-4
3. Martina def. Lindsay 7-5, 6-7(5), 7-5 ( :confused: Complete guess.)


True, Serena has won the French, but she hasn't reached the finals of a tournament (!!!) since Aussie Open, 2005. I'd say Martina has a good chance of beating Serena on hardcourts, let alone on clay. Unless Serena has shown that she is capable of beating a quality player on their best surface, she is not likely to get my vote for confidence.

Serena's survival on clay courts depends on mobility which, in honesty, was not stellar at the Aussie. I doubt she would be able to outrun Hingis' dropshots, or handle to crazy spin. Davenport she may be able to trouble, but I don't think beating Martina is a reasonable guess.

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:22 AM
I am talking about when the players are playing at a level of at 85-90% if that.

Also, why is it that I give MY OPINION and you have something to say about it. Sorry, but I will say what I want and when I want.

Okay, I do respect your opinion, but you should respect mine as well, and that is that Martina would beat her easily on clay, even hard court. But not grass

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Half agree with you. Some days Kim goes all out and attacks just like Lindsay, but on other days she just retrieves and retrieves. Also, when playing their hardest shots, Lindsay does hit stacks harder. And if you look at the stats of that match, Lindsay actually hit a couple more erros, so how can you say Kim lost it, as opposed to Lindsat winning it?


Would love to look at the stats for that match! Kim hits the ball very hard. However, Kim has a very strong defensive game - just about as good as her attacking game, does not mean she is a retriever at all. Retriever... see Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, Anna Smashnova, Amanda Coetzer, Anastasia Myskina. All slight women who run a lot of balls down but are basically just pushers. Kim's groundstrokes have been clocked in the 80mph range. Same as Lindsay and the Williams.

Lindsay has very little in the way of a defensive game. Her attacking game is superb and her defensive game is pretty much nil.

It's generally accepted that players with a strong defensive game are going to excel on the slower surfaces like Clay or maybe Rebound Ace.

Players with a more attacking game excel on the faster surfaces like Hard or Grass. Lindsay wasn't even expected to MAKE the Round of 16 there much less the Quarters and I'll bet people had money on Kim in the final. She just has a game which is much more suited to clay. I watched that match and it just seemed to me that Kim choked and Lindsay STAYED in it. She certainly didn't win it by setting up long points, running down balls, sliding into shots and playing great defense.

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:27 AM
honestly, serena would kick both of their asses, i don't care what kind of shape she's in.

Havok
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:28 AM
honestly, serena would kick both of their asses, i don't care what kind of shape she's in.
:help:.

I honestly dont think you realize how BAD Serena is right now. Really hopes she gets back into champ form asap though!

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Well Serena has actually won the French Open unlike the other two, so...

1. Serena def. Lindsay 6-4, 6-4
2. Serena def. Martina 2-6, 6-3, 6-4
3. Martina def. Lindsay 7-5, 6-7(5), 7-5 ( :confused: Complete guess.)

Actually, Martina has won the French twice.

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:31 AM
:help:.

I honestly dont think you realize how BAD Serena is right now. Really hopes she gets back into champ form asap though!

Here Here! I love Serena, but can't see her beating Lindsay, let alone Martina!

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:32 AM
Actually, Martina has won the French twice.


sorry but you are incorrect again

check the chart baby!! 2x Finalist, no trophy

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=80301

Orion
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:33 AM
honestly, serena would kick both of their asses, i don't care what kind of shape she's in.

Are you trying to convince us, or yourself?

Andy.
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:33 AM
Serena at the moment would struggle against most top 30 players her fitness is not up to scratch and her game is just not there she is not playing enough matches and needs to get her act together i dont think she could beat either Lindsay or Martina ATM because they are more match tough and much fitter. Thats not nocking Serena its just my opinion i would like to see her give tennis 100% again and go into heavy training to be ready for the FO because ATM things are not looking good for her.

Orion
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:34 AM
sorry but you are incorrect again

check the chart baby!! 2x Finalist, no trophy

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=80301

Doubles, my dear Watson.

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:34 AM
sorry but you are incorrect again

check the chart baby!! 2x Finalist, no trophy

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=80301

Yes, she did win it. Didn't she play in 2004 to signal 20 years since she last won it, but lost to Dulko in the first round?

Geisha
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:35 AM
Hingis def. S.Williams 7-5 6-2
Hingis def. Davenport 6-1 6-3
Davenport def. S. Williams 0-6 6-4 6-4

crazyroberto6767
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:40 AM
So we're talking about the French Open right? The French Open that is almost 4 months away. There's no way of telling, and using present form may not be accurate come Roland Garros. Plus, there have been rumors Linds isn't going to play a lot of the clay season (if it at all), those could be unsubstantiated, but who knows? Marti hasn't played a match on clay since 2002. Any guesses at this point seem pretty worthless IMO.

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Yes, she did win it. Didn't she play in 2004 to signal 20 years since she last won it, but lost to Dulko in the first round?


MATE - you are confusing Martina Hingis and Martina Navratilova.
Hingis never won it. Click on the links below and check your facts matey :p

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=80301

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=140007

Orion
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:44 AM
MATE - you are confusing Martina Hingis and Martina Navratilova.
Hingis never won it. Click on the links below and check your facts matey :p

I think he's joking...

Andrew..
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:45 AM
Just because Serena won RG in 2002, doesn't mean she's in any shape to contend on it right now. Iva Majoli won RG. Do we think she'll beat Lindsay and Martina on it today?

Anyway, if RG was played tomorrow.... ;)

Hingis def. Williams 6-1 6-4
Hingis def. Davenport 6-4 6-7 6-3
Davenport def. Williams 6-3 6-4

seles, davenport
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:50 AM
I think he's joking...
Yeah, I was just joking, I knew Martina H had never won it

-VSR-
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:08 AM
Wow, so much controversary because Serena's name was mentioned in a thread. :eek: :lol:

GrandSlam05
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:29 AM
Pleez, I love Linds and can't stand Kim, but that was in Kim's hands. She led a set and a break and then just went away. If Lindsay hit to the forehand after that point Kim was hitting it into the stands. And her serve went away too. She hit something like 11 df's.
Davenport def. Serena 6-4 7-6
Hingis def. Serena 6-1 6-3
Hingis def. Davenport 6-4 7-5

Barlos
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:31 AM
They all could be tough matches but I'm not sure I could see either Davenport or Serena winning the French this year. Hingis however could well put in a good challenge. I guess she wants it more than anything :) So...

Hingis df. Davenport
Hingis df. Serena

Not sure about Davenport against Serena... Depends what shape Serena is in by the French I guess. If they were to play right now on clay then Davenport would probably win, however much Lindsay dislikes clay.

LH2HBH
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:03 AM
Pleez, I love Linds and can't stand Kim, but that was in Kim's hands. She led a set and a break and then just went away. If Lindsay hit to the forehand after that point Kim was hitting it into the stands. And her serve went away too. She hit something like 11 df's.
Davenport def. Serena 6-4 7-6
Hingis def. Serena 6-1 6-3
Hingis def. Davenport 6-4 7-5


thank you!

Jakeev
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:38 AM
Well now that you have friggen stop confusing me about which Martina we are talking about......

Shall we not forget that an out-of-shape Lindsay beat a teenaged Martina Hingis at the French nearly 11 years ago?

So who's to say who would beat who now? And besides, I don't think Lindsay is playing on the red stuff this year.......

Sam L
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:40 AM
Well Serena has actually won the French Open unlike the other two, so...

1. Serena def. Lindsay 6-4, 6-4
2. Serena def. Martina 2-6, 6-3, 6-4
3. Martina def. Lindsay 7-5, 6-7(5), 7-5 ( :confused: Complete guess.)
So...?

Iva had also won the French. Does that mean she would've beaten Kim Clijsters like last year or the year before? :confused:

Sam L
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:41 AM
Martina d. Serena 6-2 7-5
Martina d. Lindsay 6-2 6-3
Serena d. Lindsay 6-4 6-4