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tennislover
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:42 PM
players


underachievers: jana novotna

overachievers: ASV & Graf

Sally Struthers
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:46 PM
under- venus and serena
over - asv

Tripp
Feb 10th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Steffi Graff and Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario overachievers??? Are you completely insane?? Obviously you've never seen any of them play and therefore shouldn't be making comments about them.

skanky~skanketta
Feb 10th, 2006, 06:27 PM
IMO there's no such thing as an overacheiver.

underacheiver (meaning did not play up to their potential)

Jana Novotna, Patty Shnyder, Chanda Rubin, Maggie Maleeva.

tennisjam
Feb 10th, 2006, 06:34 PM
Graf, definitely an overachiever

Chrissie-fan
Feb 10th, 2006, 07:00 PM
underachievers: Jana Novotna, Patty Schnyder, Jennifer Capriati (should have been one of the all-time greats)

overachievers: There is no such thing.

LoveFifteen
Feb 10th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Yeah, what the fuck is an over-achiever? Someone who did really well, but shouldn't have?

the jamierbelyea
Feb 10th, 2006, 07:11 PM
It terms of Overachievers I'd only list Amanda Coetzer just based on her size. I don't mean it in a negative stand point because I think she deserved everything she got. I actually think she underachieved in the same respect because she never won the French.

I think there's a better word for it though...

Natasha Zvereva and Mary Joe Fernandez come to mind in underachieving. I'd probably add Chanda Rubin to the list also, through no fault of her own, simply injuries.

SvetaPleaseWin.
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:16 PM
underachievers: schnyder, schett

overachiever: clijsters (please dont give me bad rep for this)

tennislover
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Graf, definitely an overachiever

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tennislover
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Steffi Graff and Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario overachievers??? Are you completely insane?? Obviously you've never seen any of them play and therefore shouldn't be making comments about them.

how about tennis players who won a lot of GS titles being completely disasters close to the net (voileeys etc)

Shenanigans
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:26 PM
I don't like these lists, the so called overachievers beat who they had to beat and the so called underachievers didn't!

GrandSlam05
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Underachievers: Lindsay, Jen, Momo, Mary
Overachievers: Kim, Graf, Sharapova

lolo21
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Underachievers: Lindsay, Jen, Momo, Mary
Overachievers: Kim, Graf, Sharapova

i don t think you can call Kim an overachiever.....quite the contrary actually.

Greattennis
Feb 10th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Graf overachieved?
with 21 grand slam?

GrandSlam05
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:39 AM
i don t think you can call Kim an overachiever.....quite the contrary actually.
I still stick with what I said. Kim has made 5 GS finals and only had to beat a tip top player twice (2003 USO and 2005 USO) to get there.

cartmancop
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:43 AM
Underachievers: Rubin (injuries, not her fault), Capriati, Sabatini (I think she is much better than your average one slam wonder, but she played her entire career against one of if not the greatest of all time so it could go either way) Martinez (should have won some FOs...

Tripp
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:45 AM
how about tennis players who won a lot of GS titles being completely disasters close to the net (voileeys etc)

Well, you can be sure neither Graf nore Arantxa were a "disaster" when coming to the net. I mean, have you ever seen Sanchez-Vicario playing doubles? She was a master on that field.

I don't think this is even worth discussing, you obviously don't know a thing about tennis. Nobody wins a Grand Slam title because of a fluke. Jelena Kostanic's run into a Tier I semifinal may have been a fluke. Iva Majoli actually winning a Tier I out of nowhere, when her career was pretty much over may have been a fluke -although I think it was just a great, great week for her, coming back to her top 5 level-.

As I said, you don't know a thing about tennis and therefore shouldn't be making comments like that. I'd advice you to actually watch a match of one of these girls and then start saying they were overachievers -if there is such a thing as an overachiever-.

Tripp
Feb 11th, 2006, 04:47 AM
Underachievers: Rubin (injuries, not her fault), Capriati, Sabatini (I think she is much better than your average one slam wonder, but she played her entire career against one of if not the greatest of all time so it could go either way) Martinez (should have won some FOs...

Gaby should've won Wimbledon that time :( Everytime I see that volley I just want to kill myself, she would've had a championship point.

If only Steffi wouldn't have gotten in the way...:devil:

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 11th, 2006, 05:09 AM
Graf overachieved?
with 21 grand slam?

How many would it take before you'd say she overachieved? 31? 41? Are you seriously saying that 21 GS titles is not many, just what could have been expected of Graf? :confused:

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 11th, 2006, 05:13 AM
Maybe people don't understand what underachievement and overachievement mean.

Underachievement means you accomplish less than would have been predicted, given your natural talent. It implies laziness.

Overachievement means you achieved (even) more than would have been predicted, given your natural talent. It implies an incredible level of hard work, ambition and discipline.

You can be amazingly talented and still be an overachiever if you accomplished even more than anyone would have predicted.

You can be pretty low in natural talent and still be an underachiever, if you managed even less than would have been predicted of you, given your limited talents.

Andy.
Feb 11th, 2006, 05:16 AM
I would unfortunatly say that Mary Pierce was an underachiever. She had and still has the game that could have won her at least another 2 or 3 slams and gotten her to number 1 she was just not lucky with injury and lacked mental toughness and was too inconsistent.

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 11th, 2006, 05:16 AM
The biggest underachiever was Anna Kournikova, though the problem in Anna's case wasn't laziness, more a bad set of circumstances.

I'd say that anyone who has won multiple slams, no matter how talented they are, has overachieved. Some inner drive has set them apart from other naturally talented players.

Kart
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:00 PM
I'm not convinced anyone can underachieve in the tennis world.

Ballbasher
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Lucic is one of the biggest underachievers

SilK
Feb 11th, 2006, 01:27 PM
biggest underachiever: Kournikova
biggest overachiever: Coetzer

roxi
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Lucic is one of the biggest underachievers
Totally agree!!!

smiler
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:15 PM
I don't really understand how you can call anyone and overachiever? Yes people can fluke a game or maybe even a tournament but not a whole career! :shrug:

TatiAnnahĝlic
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Under: Kournikova and Martinez

*Jool*
Feb 11th, 2006, 02:55 PM
all of my faves are underachievers :sobbing:

new-york
Feb 11th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Venus Williams & Lindsay Davenport are underachievers. IMO. :)