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Mightymirza
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:13 AM
After all these best this and that who do you think is the worst player to hav won a Tier 1 or above...hantuchova???or bovina???or who?

Brett.
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:19 AM
Nadia Petrova

azmad_88
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Nadia Petrova

linz was a tier 1?

RJWCapriati
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:23 AM
When did Bovina win a tier 1? I remember her winning New Haven. She is a great player to me......I would say Hantuchova is the worst to win one. But everyone has to be good to win a tier 1.

xin_hui
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Nadia Petrova

linz is a tier 2

pcrtennis
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:25 AM
These threads are dumb, all these players are very capable....

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:31 AM
awww this is such a mean thread lol. but i'd say either hantuchova or myskina.

casey6
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:32 AM
Tier I's rarely have fluke winners. If anything, I would say Iva Majoli when she won Charleston a few years back over Schnyder. Not to say Iva was not a great tennis player, but at that time, she was in a massive decline and had no right to be winning a Tier I title.

azmad_88
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:33 AM
Tier I's rarely have fluke winners. If anything, I would say Iva Majoli when she won Charleston a few years back over Schnyder. Not to say Iva was not a great tennis player, but at that time, she was in a massive decline and had no right to be winning a Tier I title.

was that the year she won french open?

xin_hui
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:35 AM
was that the year she won french open?

no

Justeenium
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:47 AM
Maleeva won Moscow several times. I'd say her

Mana
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:54 AM
Nadia Petrova
:retard::rolleyes::o

switz
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:09 AM
was that the year she won french open?

yeah because it would make sense for her to be in a massive decline if that was the case :lol:

she won Charleston in 2001, Roland Garros in '97. She was lowest ranked players ever to win a tier I - around 60 or so. Patty was ranked in the 40s at the time.

She played a great tournament but she was kind of fortunate because from memory she beat Testud and Coetzer on route to the final, whereas Patty beat Pierce, Mauresmo, Serena (the year she lost 3 matches), and Capriati (as number 1). She was done when the final came.

switz
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:13 AM
and it's wrong to use the "worst" when it come to winning these titles because that word has pretty negative connotations and none of the players who won them are poor players.

Daniela's lack of backing it up probably puts her at the bottom but ironically it probably made more waves than most.

Bovina hasn't won a tier I from my memory :confused: New Haven wasn't tier I when she one it i'm pretty sure - she beat Dechy in the final.

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:15 AM
Maleeva won Moscow several times. I'd say her

:retard:

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:16 AM
yeah because it would make sense for her to be in a massive decline if that was the case :lol:

she won Charleston in 2001, Roland Garros in '97. She was lowest ranked players ever to win a tier I - around 60 or so. Patty was ranked in the 40s at the time.

She played a great tournament but she was kind of fortunate because from memory she beat Testud and Coetzer on route to the final, whereas Patty beat Pierce, Mauresmo, Serena (the year she lost 3 matches), and Capriati (as number 1). She was done when the final came.

yeah how sad she lost this tie break in the first set :bigcry:
I wish someone updated Patty-Serena and Patty-Jenny. Id kill to watch these matchs again!! :bigcry:
I mean, I only watched the one against Jenny.

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:17 AM
:retard::rolleyes::o

:lol:

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:18 AM
:retard: at this thread

:Mirzafanshole:

switz
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:22 AM
Patty vs Capriati was and i think always will be the best match Patty has ever played. Capriati was playing good tennis for a number 1 player and Patty made her look silly, using every variety of spin and angle imagineable.

Patty vs Serena wasn't as good quality - Patty just fought like never before (literally). She was kind of lucky to win it though. I still remember waking up the next morning and going to yahoo sports expecting 6-2, 6-3 or some kind of pedestrian win for Serena and i just 7-5 Patty in the third and i was simply stunned. You must remember this was when she was ranked very low for her and was hardly winning matches - i think she lost to Evie Dominikovic at the Australian Open that year :scared:

Shoulderpova
Feb 9th, 2006, 07:08 AM
:rolleyes: @ this thread

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:11 AM
Patty vs Capriati was and i think always will be the best match Patty has ever played. Capriati was playing good tennis for a number 1 player and Patty made her look silly, using every variety of spin and angle imagineable.

Yeah what an AWESOME match played by Patty!!! :bowdown: :awww: :woohoo:
I was so happy the way she played!! :awww: :woohoo: :hearts:

Patty vs Serena wasn't as good quality - Patty just fought like never before (literally). She was kind of lucky to win it though. I still remember waking up the next morning and going to yahoo sports expecting 6-2, 6-3 or some kind of pedestrian win for Serena and i just 7-5 Patty in the third and i was simply stunned. You must remember this was when she was ranked very low for her and was hardly winning matches - i think she lost to Evie Dominikovic at the Australian Open that year :scared:

yeah same as here! and when I saw the result in the evening here on teletext I was MEGA shoked!! I shouted to my father Patty won against Serena Williams daddy! :lol:

crazillo
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:27 AM
Maleeva won Moscow several times. I'd say her

And she won Zurich and no, she isn't the worst...

ginger_fish668
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:36 AM
After all these best this and that who do you think is the worst player to hav won a Tier 1 or above...hantuchova???or bovina???or who?


What sort of a question is this? :rolleyes:

crazillo
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:38 AM
BTW, every player who can win a Tier-I had to go a hard way for it. They all deserve it. ;)

frenchie
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:42 AM
awww this is such a mean thread lol. but i'd say either hantuchova or myskina.


:lol: :lol:
Myskina won 2 tier1 and also a GS!! :rolleyes:

A'DAM
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:47 AM
Sorry but I would say NONE!!!

mandy7
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:48 AM
wow, ain't this a bs thread
and don't bitch about Daniela
she beat hingis and henin to win that title
reached 3 gs quarters, 4th round in the other one
played 3 other finals
won the fed cup
won the hopman cup
there's plenty of players who can'say that

alex.2812
Feb 9th, 2006, 10:24 AM
Iva Majoli winning Charleston was a big surprise and Patty Schnyder winning Zurich was amazing too... But it doesn't mean they are poor players :devil:

Helen Lawson
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:33 PM
What a lovely topic! Daniela and Jelena Dokic (two Tier Is) I think have had better careers than Molik. I think I'd have to give the edge career-wise to Patty over Molik. Molik?

Williams Rulez
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Maleeva won Moscow several times. I'd say heryeah, if she won it a few times, why would she any worse than those who only won a tier one title? :confused: :tape:

SelesFan70
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:47 PM
Let me know when Mirza wins a Tier I :wavey:

turt
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:52 PM
Justine Henin :devil:

roxi
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:55 PM
'Worst player to have won a tier 1'
Iva Majoli shouldn't be here !!!

Mightymirza
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:56 PM
Ohh come on guys..You can tolerate thousands of threads asking best player not winning this not winning that..Plus I never siad these players didnt deserve what they got..But everyone has an idea of good player and not so good player..Some people like the way some people play some dont..I was just asking which one do u like the least..Why make such a big deal outa it??Why cant anyone take it with a pinch of salt? this thread aint for bashing any player...

And selesfan you will KNOW if mirza wins a Tier 1 lol...

leeber
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:59 PM
BTW, every player who can win a Tier-I had to go a hard way for it. They all deserve it. ;)
i agree.. you don see just anyone winning a tier one event do you?

*Jool*
Feb 9th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Hantuchova - Molik

jonny84
Feb 9th, 2006, 02:57 PM
If a player wins a Tier I then there is nothing to grant her a worst player.

SelesFan70
Feb 9th, 2006, 03:02 PM
And selesfan you will KNOW if mirza wins a Tier 1 lol...
And so will she...the crowds will be overwhelming. :scared:

Ballbasher
Feb 9th, 2006, 03:33 PM
:rolleyes:

Wojtek
Feb 9th, 2006, 03:34 PM
After all these best this and that who do you think is the worst player to hav won a Tier 1 or above...hantuchova???or bovina???or who?

Hantuchova :rolleyes: :rolleyes: WTF

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Patty vs Capriati was and i think always will be the best match Patty has ever played. Capriati was playing good tennis for a number 1 player and Patty made her look silly, using every variety of spin and angle imagineable.

Patty vs Serena wasn't as good quality - Patty just fought like never before (literally). She was kind of lucky to win it though. I still remember waking up the next morning and going to yahoo sports expecting 6-2, 6-3 or some kind of pedestrian win for Serena and i just 7-5 Patty in the third and i was simply stunned. You must remember this was when she was ranked very low for her and was hardly winning matches - i think she lost to Evie Dominikovic at the Australian Open that year :scared:


right (except Evie D was the year before that). The Serena match wasn't really good quality tennis but it was at a time when the Williams sisters simply didn't lose big matches, so the remarkable thing was that Patty was fighting and really believing she could win even being down a set and then 3-0 in the 3rd. The Capriati match the following day was a level of tennis that Patty has shown rarely if ever. It's a must-have for the vid collection of any Patty fan.

Another Patty match from the same year ('02) that was great quality was the RG 4th round that she lost against Capriati a couple months after Charleston. My jaw was dropping open watching some of these points. Patty is still a good player now, but the level she showed at times in 2002 was really something else.

Justeenium
Feb 9th, 2006, 03:56 PM
:retard:

she reached one grand slam quarterfinal in her entire career.

crazillo
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:30 PM
she reached one grand slam quarterfinal in her entire career.

I could start a discussion, but I won't. ;)

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:34 PM
she reached one grand slam quarterfinal in her entire career.


...and it was at the very first GS she played, back in 1992, right? So Mags basically played 13 years on the tour without ever getting past the 4th round of a Slam.

~~*Elena.D*~~
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Alicia Molik
Daniela hantuchova

Farina Elia Fan
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Daniela Hantuchova

Orion
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:58 PM
Every player who has won a Tier I that I can think of has been capable of playing like a top 5 player. Hantuchova rarely finds that kind of form, but I've seen matches where I'm stunned that she's not in the top 10. Same with Bovina who, although yet to win a Tier I, has produced exceptional matches on occasion.

Monica_Rules
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:22 PM
What a stupid thread. When playesr win tier 1's they obviously deserve it you don't just have to walk up to the trophy to win it. You have to win at least 4 matches sometimes 7.

alibaby
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:29 PM
After all these best this and that who do you think is the worst player to hav won a Tier 1 or above...hantuchova???or bovina???or who?
to be honest,mirza:even the question is kind of silly and unfair to me!because:WHAT makes a worst player for you?...wheres the sense?...is dani hantuchova a worst player than..say the WS?only because she did not win the amount of slams and tier 1 like them?..what i mean,is:every player has a different way to play,and different skills and strengths than their opponents.so,how can you say, this one is worse than the other?senseless...but thats just my opinion...

crazillo
Feb 9th, 2006, 05:35 PM
...and it was at the very first GS she played, back in 1992, right? So Mags basically played 13 years on the tour without ever getting past the 4th round of a Slam.

Wrong, she played her first one in 1990. ;)

Simplicity
Feb 9th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Definitely Elena Bovina that I know of. I have only been following tennis fr a few years, and shes by far the worst winner of a Tier I event in the last 2 years. :) She is still a good player though..

jazzfuzion
Feb 9th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Hantuchova??or Myskina?that's ridiculous!

Hantuchova did not just win any TIER1.She won a 64-player field tier1(or the second biggest tier1 after miami).So all in all,she had to win 6 matches to win the title?That's quite deserving no?And Myskina?She won Moscow twice and reached another tier1 final at San Diego? So yea,how can they be in that category?Anyhow,this thread is redundant.

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Another Patty match from the same year ('02) that was great quality was the RG 4th round that she lost against Capriati a couple months after Charleston. My jaw was dropping open watching some of these points. Patty is still a good player now, but the level she showed at times in 2002 was really something else.

yeah a great match as well, but how sad, she fought really well but wasn't able to win a set, losing 4-6 4-6 :sad:
I hope we'll have 'this' Patty again this year !!! :rocker2:

LefandePatty
Feb 9th, 2006, 07:53 PM
If a player wins a Tier I then there is nothing to grant her a worst player.

Exactly. they ALL derserve their title(s) !!! :yeah:

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Definitely Elena Bovina that I know of. I have only been following tennis fr a few years, and shes by far the worst winner of a Tier I event in the last 2 years. :) She is still a good player though..


Bovina has never won a Tier 1 title, you crack smoker. ;)

miffedmax
Feb 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Well, I'll claim that Dementieva is the best player to only win 1 Tier 1.

Oh, please. Don't try to tell me you didn't see that one coming.

hablo
Feb 9th, 2006, 08:51 PM
Ohh come on guys..You can tolerate thousands of threads asking best player not winning this not winning that..Plus I never siad these players didnt deserve what they got..But everyone has an idea of good player and not so good player..Some people like the way some people play some dont..I was just asking which one do u like the least..Why make such a big deal outa it??Why cant anyone take it with a pinch of salt? this thread aint for bashing any player...

And selesfan you will KNOW if mirza wins a Tier 1 lol...
I NEVER liked those threads either :tape::rolleyes:

Europe rocks
Feb 9th, 2006, 08:58 PM
wow, ain't this a bs thread
and don't bitch about Daniela
she beat hingis and henin to win that title
reached 3 gs quarters, 4th round in the other one
played 3 other finals
won the fed cup
won the hopman cup
there's plenty of players who can'say that

Hantuchova has also won all of the mixed doubles titles!

Justeenium
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Ummm, Bovina has never won a Tier 1

Davenselesport
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:12 PM
Probably at the time... Iva Majoli

nice big win for her though... so doesn't really make her a bad player

silver
Feb 9th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Just statistics (as of 1 jan 2006).

Career_Highest_Rank Name Tier_I_Titles_Count

1 MARTINA HINGIS 15
1 LINDSAY DAVENPORT 11
1 MONICA SELES 9
1 SERENA WILLIAMS 8
1 JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE 8
1 AMELIE MAURESMO 6
1 VENUS WILLIAMS 6
1 KIM CLIJSTERS 5
1 JENNIFER CAPRIATI 2
1 MARIA SHARAPOVA 1

2 CONCHITA MARTINEZ 9
2 ANASTASIA MYSKINA 2
3 MARY PIERCE 5
3 AMANDA COETZER 1
4 JELENA DOKIC 2
4 MAGDALENA MALEEVA 2
5 DANIELA HANTUCHOVA 1
7 PATTY SCHNYDER 1
8 ALICIA MOLIK 1

technique90
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:35 PM
i would say jelena dokic,, daniela is a great player!!! :P

No Name Face
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Daniela, only because she hasn't won anything since.

jd4eva
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:49 PM
i would say jelena dokic,, daniela is a great player!!! :P

Dokic has TWO Tier I title's as opposed to Hantuchova so by the very virtue of that she is a better Tier I Champion than Hantuchova. Not to mention that Dokic has also been a two time Tier I Runner-Up at Zurich.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:18 AM
TMS ATP : Roberto Carretero , Albert Portas and Chris Woodruff



TIER I WTA : No one

Davenselesport
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Dokic has TWO Tier I title's as opposed to Hantuchova so by the very virtue of that she is a better Tier I Champion than Hantuchova. Not to mention that Dokic has also been a two time Tier I Runner-Up at Zurich.

Umm Indian Wells is a 2 week tournament.
You have to take that into consideration.

But Jelena was great when she was great... just not anymore.

switz
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:38 AM
:lol: why is it that only people who seem to give me bad reps are Capriaiti fans. I couldn't less but it's just seems interesting. I don't have anything against Capriati, all i said was Patty played the match of her life and she made her look silly - as she would any other player - it was not a personal attack on her. My reputation never changes anyway :lol:

That's what i've always said about btw vogs. She played some incredibly high quality matches that year but there was not much consistency. the consistency is there now and that's great for her rankings etc but she seems to have lost that spark she used to be able light on a very rare day where she genuinely looked like the best player in the world instead of player who beat the top player on an off day.

*JR*
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:56 AM
yeah because it would make sense for her to be in a massive decline if that was the case :lol:

she won Charleston in 2001, Roland Garros in '97. She was lowest ranked players ever to win a tier I - around 60 or so. Patty was ranked in the 40s at the time.

She played a great tournament but she was kind of fortunate because from memory she beat Testud and Coetzer on route to the final, whereas Patty beat Pierce, Mauresmo, Serena (the year she lost 3 matches), and Capriati (as number 1). She was done when the final came.
You mean Charleston '02, when Hu-Bear finally had her head screwed on straight (in their 2nd year together) after "the Rainers" had it simply screwed it up. Of course when the current version became Banned... in the USA, he got rid of that potential influence to leave his Criminal Clutches, and she does only mostly win matches she's supposed to now. BTW, Iva got away with a couple of dozen foot-faults in that final. (And her road there went thru a young MGM, 2 fading stars in Sandrine and Mandy, and "low Tier specialist" Smash). ;)

vogus
Feb 10th, 2006, 01:43 AM
That's what i've always said about btw vogs. She played some incredibly high quality matches that year but there was not much consistency. the consistency is there now and that's great for her rankings etc but she seems to have lost that spark she used to be able light on a very rare day where she genuinely looked like the best player in the world instead of player who beat the top player on an off day.


:worship: you've said it exactly. Another thing to remember is that 2002 was a great year for the overall quality of women's tennis, which makes Patty's sparks of brilliance that year even more impressive. Another great match from this period, if you can get it on video, is Patty vs Henin at USO '01. It's a classic.

vogus
Feb 10th, 2006, 01:53 AM
You mean Charleston '02, when Hu-Bear finally had her head screwed on straight (in their 2nd year together) after "the Rainers" had it simply screwed it up. Of course when the current version became Banned... in the USA, he got rid of that potential influence to leave his Criminal Clutches, and she does only mostly win matches she's supposed to now. BTW, Iva got away with a couple of dozen foot-faults in that final. (And her road there went thru a young MGM, 2 fading stars in Sandrine and Mandy, and "low Tier specialist" Smash). ;)


your version of events is only approximately correct. A lot of details are missing that would give the story needed credibility which, as it now stands, is missing.

Concering the foot faults, when you are only serving at 75 mph, foot faults don't really make a difference. Patty was not too bad in the final, but Majoli was outstanding off the ground that day. It was for sure the last match of Iva's career that she really played well.

Havok
Feb 10th, 2006, 01:59 AM
Nobody really. I can't even remember the last "fluke" Tier I winner. Yeah Majoli's Charleston win in 2002 was so out of the blue, but Majoli is an awesome talent and has won a Slam and been ranked pretty high herself. The WTA isn't like the ATP where you can sometimes get these really random players who win big at TMS events.

vogus
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:04 AM
TMS ATP : Roberto Carretero , Albert Portas and Chris Woodruff



TIER I WTA : No one


good point. There has never really been an obscure WTA Tier 1 winner in the vein of those three guys. Carretero's victory in Hamburg, especially, came out of nowhere and led to nowhere.

UDACHi
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:10 AM
It's a tossup between Davenport, Serena, and Clijsters. :shrug: ;)

ms_nut
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:22 AM
'Worst player to have won a tier 1'
Iva Majoli shouldn't be here !!!

Exactly.
Iva Majoli also won the Tokyo PPO Tier I in 1996. She beat Seles and Sanchez. So she has 2 top tier wins and a grandslam...

Wsisters45
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:24 AM
It's a tossup between Davenport, Serena, and Clijsters. :shrug: ;)


I agree! They suck! ;)

Robbie.
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:31 AM
Exactly.
Iva Majoli also won the Tokyo PPO Tier I in 1996. She beat Seles and Sanchez. So she has 2 top tier wins and a grandslam...

She also won Zurich 1995 beating Novotna, Rubin and Pierce
She won PPO beating Seles, Hingis and Sanchez.

So that's three tier 1's and a slam. She also won 4 Tier II's (including Filderstadt which is the greatest Tier II on the circuit)

So while Iva only has 8 titles, all of them are Tier II and above. It really speaks volumes for her class IMO.

Derek.
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:35 AM
wow, ain't this a bs thread
and don't bitch about Daniela
she beat hingis and henin to win that title
reached 3 gs quarters, 4th round in the other one
played 3 other finals
won the fed cup
won the hopman cup
there's plenty of players who can'say that

:worship:

Derek.
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:37 AM
Hantuchova??or Myskina?that's ridiculous!

Hantuchova did not just win any TIER1.She won a 64-player field tier1(or the second biggest tier1 after miami).So all in all,she had to win 6 matches to win the title?That's quite deserving no?And Myskina?She won Moscow twice and reached another tier1 final at San Diego? So yea,how can they be in that category?Anyhow,this thread is redundant.

:bowdown:

Derek.
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:39 AM
Daniela Hantuchova

I like you, but you are a big hater of Daniela. :o Not only this thread, but every other thread of Daniela you choose the negative side towards her. :o

Kirt12255
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:41 AM
Just statistics (as of 1 jan 2006).

Career_Highest_Rank Name Tier_I_Titles_Count

1 MARTINA HINGIS 15
1 LINDSAY DAVENPORT 11
1 MONICA SELES 9
1 SERENA WILLIAMS 8
1 JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE 8
1 AMELIE MAURESMO 6
1 VENUS WILLIAMS 6
1 KIM CLIJSTERS 5
1 JENNIFER CAPRIATI 2
1 MARIA SHARAPOVA 1

2 CONCHITA MARTINEZ 9
2 ANASTASIA MYSKINA 2
3 MARY PIERCE 5
3 AMANDA COETZER 1
4 JELENA DOKIC 2
4 MAGDALENA MALEEVA 2
5 DANIELA HANTUCHOVA 1
7 PATTY SCHNYDER 1
8 ALICIA MOLIK 1

:wavey: Not hacking your'e post, some interesting stats there, however I don't think it's a fair indication. Alicia was just coming into her prime...would be interesting to see the rank of players when they won their first tier1. Like many have said, if you take a tier 1 title you deserve it :wavey:

Derek.
Feb 10th, 2006, 02:49 AM
Dokic has TWO Tier I title's as opposed to Hantuchova so by the very virtue of that she is a better Tier I Champion than Hantuchova. Not to mention that Dokic has also been a two time Tier I Runner-Up at Zurich.

Hantuchova worked hard for her Tier I title. It's not like she got walkover's the whole way. Dokic's win in Rome was a good one, but Hantuchova had to go two weeks to win IW. Dokic's win in Moscow was decent, but not as good as her Rome victory compared by the players she beat to win it.

Some people say between Molik and Hantuchova, but Hantuchova's IW will be remembered more. Sure Molik has more titles, but she is also older and plus Hantuchova beat Molik right after her big GS breakthrough. Sharapova was also injured during the Zurich final with Molik and then Sharapova beat Molik not that much after in Philadelphia. Hingis also got revenge on Hantuchova not too long after IW, but it was on clay, Hantuchova's worst surface.

udachi Elena
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:12 AM
Kuznetsova.. US open

F-R-E-A-K
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:15 AM
Definately Hantuchova :)

She has still yet to win her second singles title :help: :sad:

Stupid thread though ;)

jd4eva
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:16 AM
Hantuchova worked hard for her Tier I title. It's not like she got walkover's the whole way. Dokic's win in Rome was a good one, but Hantuchova had to go two weeks to win IW. Dokic's win in Moscow was decent, but not as good as her Rome victory compared by the players she beat to win it.

Some people say between Molik and Hantuchova, but Hantuchova's IW will be remembered more. Sure Molik has more titles, but she is also older and plus Hantuchova beat Molik right after her big GS breakthrough. Sharapova was also injured during the Zurich final with Molik and then Sharapova beat Molik not that much after in Philadelphia. Hingis also got revenge on Hantuchova not too long after IW, but it was on clay, Hantuchova's worst surface.

No one ever stated that Hantuchova did not work hard for her Tier I title. That's not really relevant. Every player who wins a Tier I has to work for their title. We're talking here about the worst player to have won a Tier I title. The length of the tournament is irrelevant, the pedigree of the player is. Hantuchova is by no means a bad player, but we are discussing her Tier I title in relative terms to other Tier I champions.

In this context, I don't believe Hantuchova can be compared to Dokic who has a better pedigree, especially at Tier I level. Yes Hantuchova did win a two week event but she won the same amount of matches as Dokic did winning her first Tier I title at the most prestigious clay court tournament outside of RG. In fact, playing 6 matches on the slow red clay of Rome in one week is probably a bigger mental and physical challenge than playing 6 matches on the faster surface of Indian Wells over two weeks.

Let's look at the two player's results in winning their first (and for Hantuchova, only) Tier I:

Dan23
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:16 AM
Kuznetsova.. US open
Tier I ?? ;)

tucker1989
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:23 AM
Honestly I do not understand how, at this point in time, anyone can say that Alicia Molik has had a better career than Daniela Hantuchova. While she was starting to play amazing tennis, her ear injury sadly sidelined her. I hope that she can come back and build on her success, but, at this point in time, she is the worst player to have won a tier 1 tournament. Also, she did not beat anyone ranked higher than seven the entire tournament.

F-R-E-A-K
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Honestly I do not understand how, at this point in time, anyone can say that Alicia Molik has had a better career than Daniela Hantuchova. While she was starting to play amazing tennis, her ear injury sadly sidelined her. I hope that she can come back and build on her success, but, at this point in time, she is the worst player to have won a tier 1 tournament. Also, she did not beat anyone ranked higher than seven the entire tournament.

Alicia in 2004: Career-best season, winning three titles, including first Tier I, and Olympic bronze medal; won title at Stockholm without losing a set (d. Perebiynis in final) to win second career title (also won doubles without losing a set, first straight-sets sweep since Hingis at Tokyo [Pan Pacific] in 2000).

Became first Australian to win a Tier I at Zürich, d. four Top 20 players en route (No.12 Zvonareva, No.13 Petrova, No.15 Schnyder and snapping 12-match win streak of No.7 Sharapova in final in 3s), becoming lowest-ranked champion there ever at No.20;

At Olympics, d. No.6 Dementieva and No.13 Sugiyama en route to SF (l. to eventual silver medalist Mauresmo), but in bronze medal match d. world No.3 Myskina for equal-best win of career. :)

Molik also won her fourth career title THE following week at Luxembourg (d. Safina in final). In 2005 Molik won title #5 in Sydney (T2).

Alicia Molik has 5 Singles Titles
Daniela Hantuchova has 1 Singles Title

vogus
Feb 10th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Alicia Molik has 5 Singles Titles
Daniela Hantuchova has 1 Singles Title


I'm no Hantuchova supporter, but she has had a better career than Molik, not even close. Low tier titles are basically meaningless in this discussion. The only thing Molik has on Danni is the Olympic bronze and a stripped down Sydney title where she beat nobody of consequence.

Alicia Rocks
Feb 10th, 2006, 05:20 AM
Molik will comeback and wins some more tier 1's to show shes not the worst :p

Jakeev
Feb 10th, 2006, 05:24 AM
After all these best this and that who do you think is the worst player to hav won a Tier 1 or above...hantuchova???or bovina???or who?

What a crap thread.

If a player wins a Tier 1 event she must have done something right to win that event.

Not a cool thread......

Equipped
Feb 10th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Molik will comeback and wins some more tier 1's to show shes not the worst :p
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

switz
Feb 10th, 2006, 05:25 AM
:worship: you've said it exactly. Another thing to remember is that 2002 was a great year for the overall quality of women's tennis, which makes Patty's sparks of brilliance that year even more impressive. Another great match from this period, if you can get it on video, is Patty vs Henin at USO '01. It's a classic.

:bounce: mate i think that is the first time in a long long time that we've actually saw completely eye to eye on something. i feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

Yep Henin versus Patty was a real good match although i find it painful to think about when i remember she had 15-40 to level at 5-5 in the 3rd from memory.

switz
Feb 10th, 2006, 05:28 AM
You mean Charleston '02, when Hu-Bear finally had her head screwed on straight (in their 2nd year together) after "the Rainers" had it simply screwed it up. Of course when the current version became Banned... in the USA, he got rid of that potential influence to leave his Criminal Clutches, and she does only mostly win matches she's supposed to now. BTW, Iva got away with a couple of dozen foot-faults in that final. (And her road there went thru a young MGM, 2 fading stars in Sandrine and Mandy, and "low Tier specialist" Smash). ;)

i had no idea :eek: :lol:

silver
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:02 PM
BTW.
Who is better - the worst player to have won a tier 1, or the best not having tier 1?

anabel
Feb 10th, 2006, 12:31 PM
Lately, Hantuchova or Schnyder

I forgot Molik

The Crow
Feb 10th, 2006, 03:25 PM
What a crap thread.

If a player wins a Tier 1 event she must have done something right to win that event.

Not a cool thread......

Agreed.