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vogus
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:17 PM
at the 25K challenger in Tampa last month, i overheard two coaches discussing the Karantcheva situation and one of them mentioned that Panova had gotten a six-month ban in 2003 for a positive steroids test that was never made public by the WTA.

jonny84
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:22 PM
Would make sense as she last played

Berlin 2003 (May 2003)

and then came back at an ITF challenger in December 2003.

But I think she was geniunely injured.

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:24 PM
I've never heard a good explanation for what happened.
This is as plausible as anything else.

But it's still TOTAL speculation.

hablo
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Interesting... :eek:

faboozadoo15
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:31 PM
i thought she left the tour for a while because she had some mental problem.

i guess this is plausible.

Martian Willow
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:34 PM
at the 25K challenger in Tampa last month, i overheard two coaches discussing the Karantcheva situation and one of them mentioned that Panova had gotten a six-month ban in 2003 for a positive steroids test that was never made public by the WTA.

Didn't you start that rumour?

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:36 PM
OK. I mean I can understand if she did.
She did lose to Navi in 2002 as a top 25 player.
I mean Navritilova is one of the greatest women players of all time but the bitch is old. Very old.
She looks like a turtle on court.
Anyway, it is a painful loss, not one you can just play your way out of.
Panova was incredibly fit at time and lost to someone almost 20 years older than her.
I would probably take something too.

Pheobo
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:38 PM
oompa loompa doopidy doo...

Helen Lawson
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:38 PM
OK. I mean I can understand if she did.
She did lose to Navi in 2002 as a top 25 player.
I mean Navritilova is one of the greatest women players of all time but the bitch is old. Very old.
She looks like a turtle on court.
Anyway, it is a painful loss, not one you can just play your way out of.
Panova was incredibly fit at time and lost to someone almost 20 years older than her.
I would probably take something too.


I was about to post the very same thing! :lol:

Sonf@
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:44 PM
the official version was that she had some kind of mental disease.

vogus
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Didn't you start that rumour?


I don't think so. In the past i've mentioned being suspicious about the reasons given for Panova's absence, but i seriously doubt that professional coaches on the WTA Tour are getting their information off of this board.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:49 PM
the official version was that she had some kind of mental disease.
Losing to a player who is almost 50 years old is mental disease.
Luckily in the case of Castano, she is taking medication to supress it.

timafi
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:10 PM
sorry Tatiana who? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Maryamator
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:18 PM
karatantcheva not only one who waqs doping!!

pla
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:47 PM
If it wasn't at the French Open the backyeard of L'equipe ;), Sesil would have been "injured" for 5-6 months.

But anyways, talking about Tatiana like that is not nice cause there's no evidence. I mean, even if you're sure 99% it's true, just keep it for yourself.

DevilishAttitude
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:49 PM
OK. I mean I can understand if she did.
She did lose to Navi in 2002 as a top 25 player.
I mean Navritilova is one of the greatest women players of all time but the bitch is old. Very old.
She looks like a turtle on court.
Anyway, it is a painful loss, not one you can just play your way out of.
Panova was incredibly fit at time and lost to someone almost 20 years older than her.
I would probably take something too.

:scratch:

Tatiana still played very well for the rest of 2002 beating the likes Kournikova, Bovina, Kremer, Farina Elia and Dokic.

I never truely believed that mental illness was a reason Tati was out for most of 2003. But, there have also been rumours over foot and shoulder surgery being the reason she was out.

I guess we'll never know :shrug:

Whatever it is was she never fully recovered :mad: :sad:

^bibi^
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Well.. if you heard panova, it could be either, Tatiana, Olga or Alexandra......

Tripp
Feb 8th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Well, I had heard that she suffered of paranoia and always felt sad for the poor girl. Maybe she was just covering it up, who know.

But she could've said it was just a regular injury, and not a mental problem.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:07 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, there are probably a lot more players doping than the WTA would like us to believe. Yes, even some of our favorite players might be doing it. Sad, but sports these days are filled with drugs....tennis is no exception. :sad:

S-T-E-V-E
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Well, I talked to a player but I won't mention the name, but it's sure that Tatiana had mental problems because she was discriped as "a little crazy"....

Drake1980
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Come on guys, why start something like this up? Just leave the poor girl be!!!

vogus
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Well, I had heard that she suffered of paranoia and always felt sad for the poor girl. Maybe she was just covering it up, who know.

But she could've said it was just a regular injury, and not a mental problem.


I feel bad for her as well, because she's not a well-known, rich, or "glam" player. She was a player in the trenches, living off of her prize money. The WTA probably came to her and said, "ok, we're banning you for 6 months and calling it mental illness, you had better keep your mouth shut or it will be a lot worse for you".

-sugi-
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Tatiana :) She was one of the first players I ever liked in the game

Jakeev
Feb 8th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Well.. if you heard panova, it could be either, Tatiana, Olga or Alexandra......

Exactly.

Moreover, Tatiana was ranked pretty high when she left the tour for her mental illness.

Find it hard to believe the WTA would cover it up for one player not of at least a high-profile stature.

creep
Feb 8th, 2006, 07:50 PM
Word on the street::lol:

RJWCapriati
Feb 8th, 2006, 07:51 PM
at the 25K challenger in Tampa last month, i overheard two coaches discussing the Karantcheva situation and one of them mentioned that Panova had gotten a six-month ban in 2003 for a positive steroids test that was never made public by the WTA.

very interesting

vogus
Feb 8th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Well.. if you heard panova, it could be either, Tatiana, Olga or Alexandra......


no, he was talking about Tatiana Panova, the Top 100 player. There were quite a few other details in the conversation as well making that clear. There wasn't any doubt which player he was talking about.

*JR*
Feb 8th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Well, I talked to a player but I won't mention the name, but it's sure that Tatiana had mental problems because she was discriped as "a little crazy"....
There's a far higher ranked player around who's considerably more than "a little crazy". ;)

Farina Elia Fan
Feb 8th, 2006, 08:28 PM
I am unsure on this matter! Tatiana was/is my of my favs!!! But it seemed a little convenient to simply down to 'mental issues' but then in 2004 I saw her at Wimbledon when she defeated Mashona Washington in the second round and as she walked backed to the locker room she was in floods of tears and that made me think that she had finally got over her problems.


Im not sure what to think

switz
Feb 8th, 2006, 08:32 PM
There's a far higher ranked player around who's considerably more than "a little crazy". ;)

who this player you speak of? please recount every sordid detail of her life to date for me :)

jimbo mack
Feb 8th, 2006, 08:38 PM
tatiana has never been the same player since, i don't think she'll ever get back to the top 20 again

but i still think she has some good results left in her, if she can get out of this slump

DutchieGirl
Feb 8th, 2006, 10:53 PM
who this player you speak of? please recount every sordid detail of her life to date for me :)

:haha: :help: Now you've done it! ;)

spiceboy
Feb 8th, 2006, 11:04 PM
the official version was that she had some kind of mental disease.

There was no official version on this matter at all. WTA obviously would never make public this kind of illness respecting the players privacy.

But as far as I know (from some players) this was actually the real reason of her temporal retirement.

And btw Tatiana wasn't exactly a journeywoman as by the end of 2002 at the age of 26 (before the illness) she had earnt more than $1 Million and had been in the top 20

vogus
Feb 8th, 2006, 11:38 PM
There was no official version on this matter at all. WTA obviously would never make public this kind of illness respecting the players privacy.



as i remember there were pretty clear press reports at the time about Panova's "suffering from paranoia". That information almost certainly came from the WTA. Panova was/is not a prominent enough player for the press to be getting information about her from any source other than WTA media reps.

Mana
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:14 AM
Tatiana was the first player that I ever liked! This is bull, and she is still an awesome player in my opinion:D. I love you Tati P:D:D

-Sonic-
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:25 AM
Who/What decides if someone gets a 2 month ban or a 6 month ban etc etc?

-Sonic-
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:26 AM
from tatiana's wta page:

"withdrew from all tournaments due to need for mental recuperation"

-Sonic-
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:26 AM
oh, and she had a special ranking too. you don't do that for a druggie.

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:51 AM
oh, and she had a special ranking too. you don't do that for a druggie.


Sure you do, if it's part of the deal you made with her to keep the punishment a secret. You can't have a player off the tour for six months, and then return without a protected ranking, because then it will obvious what happened.

DutchieGirl
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:50 AM
Sure you do, if it's part of the deal you made with her to keep the punishment a secret. You can't have a player off the tour for six months, and then return without a protected ranking, because then it will obvious what happened.

:lol: Conspiracy theories! ;)

Experimentee
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:19 AM
If you looked at her game and her body, you'd believe she was doping. The whole mental illness thing was suspicious. I dont get why the WTA would cover up for Panova though.

Taz Warrior
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:36 AM
oh, and she had a special ranking too. you don't do that for a druggie.

Did she ever use that special ranking though? I remember she played a lot of qualifying events when she could have used a protective ranking to get into the MD directly which did seem odd at the time.

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:05 PM
If you looked at her game and her body, you'd believe she was doping. The whole mental illness thing was suspicious. I dont get why the WTA would cover up for Panova though.


maybe because the WTA is so sensitive on the issue of steroid use that they felt they just could not have it in the public at that time. Although Panova was not a major name, she was a Top 30 player, and a drugs ban (the first ever for a Tour-level player) would have attracted a lot of news.

mn73
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:08 PM
Perhaps she was using some kind of medication for the mental illness which caused her to fail a drugs test, and out of respect for the illness she had the WTA kept it quiet.

Foot's Fingers
Feb 9th, 2006, 01:01 PM
Did she ever use that special ranking though? I remember she played a lot of qualifying events when she could have used a protective ranking to get into the MD directly which did seem odd at the time.


She use SR for GS and for some tournaments (big one0 and weas trying to qualify for small one

And she use SR for first GS (AO 2004) after returning to action


And if she would had been banned , wta NEVER allowed her to use SR

Tanya :hug:

goldenlox
Feb 9th, 2006, 02:37 PM
And if she would had been banned , wta NEVER allowed her to use SR

Tanya :hug:I agree with you.
It's hard to find out exactly what happened, but I think Tatiana just needed time away from the tour.
Time to unwind, to give her mind and body some rest.

vogus
Feb 9th, 2006, 02:48 PM
I agree with you.
It's hard to find out exactly what happened, but I think Tatiana just needed time away from the tour.
Time to unwind, to give her mind and body some rest.


The WTA could not have covered up a ban without giving her a PR though, so the fact she had a PR doesn't prove anything one way or the other. I mean, if you look at Panova's history, she's a player who has hardly ever been injured or taken any time off. She has played 28, 29 tournies a year every year of her career. Except the big gap in '03, and then she comes right back and plays just as much as before, only with worse results.

DutchieGirl
Feb 9th, 2006, 08:25 PM
The WTA could not have covered up a ban without giving her a PR though, so the fact she had a PR doesn't prove anything one way or the other. I mean, if you look at Panova's history, she's a player who has hardly ever been injured or taken any time off. She has played 28, 29 tournies a year every year of her career. Except the big gap in '03, and then she comes right back and plays just as much as before, only with worse results.

I assume you mean a SR, not a PR! ;)

starr
Feb 9th, 2006, 08:29 PM
I've long thought that the WTA hands out secret penalties and lets players say they are injured when they are really on suspension.