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CoryAnnAvants#1
May 7th, 2002, 10:31 PM
I don't believe for one second that she was injured in that match! She just couldn't take it that someone outside of the top 100 was going to beat her and drop her ranking further down the toilet, so she retired in order to protect her ranking points. Very bad sportsmanship in my eyes! And let's just say theoretically that this was a legit cramping injury. She couldn't have just sucked it up for another game? If you're well enough to play 27 games, you're well enough to play one more. I'm sorry, I like Anna, but I just think this isn't right. If she can't win back to back matches anymore, fine, but at least give Sveta the credit she deserves and finish the match!

Berlin_Calling
May 7th, 2002, 10:36 PM
It isnt pure crap!! She had an injury timeout when she did win the first set, and she was leading then not losing. And why should Anna put herself through pain to play that one game, she isnt playing for anyone else but herself. :rolleyes:

FLL
May 7th, 2002, 10:48 PM
Why when you don't like a player, you just ALWAYS talk thrash about them! If you don't like a player, you don't go or start the threads that talks about them!

Like ANN2K said, she asked for the trainer after winning the 1st set! And playing with cramps is not possible! You can ask me because I was in a provincial tournament last summer in the 1/2 finals and I started to cramp...it's IMPOSSIBLE to play well. I retired when the score was 6-1, 6-7, 1-4. I was leading 6-1, 4-2 when I started to cramp. That is what happened with Anna!

If you don't like her...leave her the f*** alone!!!

barmaid
May 7th, 2002, 10:57 PM
[If you don't like her...leave her the f*** alone!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Ahem! I don't think Miss Kournikova does that ALONE!!!!
Too many willing partners to help her with that!!:eek:



barmaid:wavey:

Amanda
May 7th, 2002, 11:02 PM
The fact is that Anna thought she was going to win this match. When she found herself down 2-5 to a qualifier in a tier IV tournament in which she was expected to dominate, she decided to quit. This hurt her image even more. No excuse can save Anna from her latest disappointment. The fact is ...she SUCKS at this point in her career. She is always stating that she is working on this and that...i just need a little more time...Maybe, she'll improve at the next tournament. Who knows?:confused: Maybe she'll come back and win the next grand slam. Anything is possible!

Steam
May 7th, 2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Amanda
The fact is that Anna thought she was going to win this match. When she found herself down 2-5 to a qualifier in a tier IV tournament in which she was expected to dominate, she decided to quit. This hurt her image even more. No excuse can save Anna from her latest disappointment. The fact is ...she SUCKS at this point in her career. She is always stating that she is working on this and that...i just need a little more time...Maybe, she'll improve at the next tournament. Who knows?:confused: Maybe she'll come back and win the next grand slam. Anything is possible!

"We'll be back with more people talking out of their ass after this commercial break............."

I wonder if you care to enlighten us with what Anna had for breakfast today and if she liked it or not. Was it freshly cooked? :rolleyes:

whorehand
May 7th, 2002, 11:39 PM
Can i just ask if any of u acusing anna of faking her injury actually watched the match? If you did then you would be aware that she was in a great deal of pain. From a person that actually was there to watch the match, he said she was in tears. But oh yes, its certainly possible to play another game of muscle wrentching tennis when you have excrusiatingly painful cramp isnt it.

Volcana
May 7th, 2002, 11:40 PM
Bradshaw - Serena 'sucked it up' vs Jenn at miami last year. And was out til the French.

Lindsay 'sucked it up' at the Tour Championships last year. She's STILL out.

Martian Martin
May 8th, 2002, 01:11 AM
I agree with whorehand, it's nonsense to say that she faked an injury, that's almost like saying she shouldn't have won a point because it was out. You can't tell because you haven't seen what happened. As whorehand said, because I read the same post, a person that was at the match said that Anna was in severe pain for a lot of the match, and was in tears. I'm fed up with people criticizing Anna for everything she does, if she'd completed the match, then become injured even more, the same people would be criticizing her, saying oh she should have retired during the match, it's a no win situation for Anna.

Bella
May 8th, 2002, 01:16 AM
from Bradshaw#1...."so she retired in order to protect her ranking points"....

That didn't protect any ranking points.

Amanda
May 8th, 2002, 01:17 AM
yeah right----she managed to play the first and second sets with the same problems.....i don't than Anna honestly thought she could make a comeback at 2-5 down so she decided to quit. It doesn't really matter....she still SUCKS at this point. There were even quite a few people that jeered her decision to quit!

:rolleyes: @ the Anna fans who choose to ignore the obvious....

Berlin_Calling
May 8th, 2002, 01:23 AM
Amanda, SHUT UP ;) Did u see the match?? If u did, I would want to see u trying to play tennis while suffering cramps. You just make up these insolent excuses because u hate Anna, and y I do not know. What?? R u jealous that Anna is beautiful and u look like some old maid?? Yea, thats what I though, so just SHUT UP!!:fiery: And anyway, dont u have any sense that cramping gets worse when u keep playing tennis and run around?? It wasnt that bad in the first set but it gets worse u know!! And dont say Anna sucks cause I bet if u play her, u would get your a$$ kicked :mad:

CoryAnnAvants#1
May 8th, 2002, 01:56 AM
For those yelling at me about my comment, I'm entitled to my own opinion. You can agree or disagree, but I think it's completely unnecessary to be rude about it.

And apparently she was legitimately injured, but I still think she could have been the consummate professional and finished the match. When Seles played Hingis on a gimpy ankle, she just let Martina hit the winners and accept the fact that she would not win that day-but she played! Same with Fernandez against Venus at the US Open a few years ago when she played on a gimpy ankle for 2 sets after a nasty spill. If other players can, I'm sure she could as well. She's not above everybody else on the tour, maybe in looks, but no place else.And I'm not saying this cause I hate her, I think she does have talent and she will win one of these small events at some point this year. I just stated my opinion, and I thought it was rude for the majority of those that responded to do so in the way they did.

Joseosu19
May 8th, 2002, 02:37 AM
The fact is that Anna thought she was going to win this match. When she found herself down 2-5 to a qualifier in a tier IV tournament in which she was expected to dominate

Who expected her to dominate?:rolleyes: I certainly did not...

angele87
May 8th, 2002, 02:54 AM
Well here is how I look at it, and please, you can comment but don't be rude because I'm just stating my opinion ok!

I believe Anna's injury is real, I don't think she would fake it for the purpose of not having to lose yet another match. However, I think she should of done one of two things: 1) Finish the match... I mean, come on, it was only one game. If it was on her serve, then just serve and let whoever she was playing against hit 4 winners and if it was on the other player's serve, just let her hit a couple of aces and register a real loss instead of retiring at 5-2 on the third set which makes a player look bad or option 2) Quit when she got hurt... if she was so worried about her ranking or her career or whatever and didn't wanna risk further injury, she shouldn't of let it get to the point where she was playing in tears.... IMO it's just stupid to play in that amount of pain so she should of just quit as soon as she felt that much pain, not wait til she was 5-2.... and it's not like her injury just happened, as some of you pointed out, she asked for the trainer as early as the first set!

marshmellow
May 8th, 2002, 03:10 AM
i agree on both counts angele. but if anna quit early in the match, chances are
1) people would feel cheated that they didn't get their money's worth ,OR
2) she'd always think "could i have won the match if i went on?" ,OR
3) if she was halfway towards a win, did she really need to retire that early on? ,AND
4) people would still go "oh anna lost another first round match :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
you just can't please everybody. i think anna should do whatever she feels she needs to do right now to turn her game around. and if retiring from a match that COULD HAVE gotten her more injured had she continued, so be it.

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angele87
May 8th, 2002, 03:18 AM
2) she'd always think "could i have won the match if i went on?"

So does that mean that she quit at 5-2 because she was thinking "I can't win if I go on"? :confused:

and if retiring from a match that COULD HAVE gotten her more injured had she continued, so be it.

I agree, so quit when you first get hurt... don't make it worse by playing almost two full sets then quit!

Anyways, any way you look at it I don't think anybody can find a very good excuse for why Anna retired when she did. Her injury didn't happen suddenly so it's not like she twisted an ankle at 5-2 or something, her cramps had been bothering her almost the whole match.... her cramps were so bad that she was crying yet she still continued until 5-2... I don't know, i hate to see players do that. I remember Marat doing it in Canada last year and I am a big fan of his but I thought it was stupid to retire at 5-2... it's only one game.... four winners or four aces... it's not that bad!

marshmellow
May 8th, 2002, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by angele87
So does that mean that she quit at 5-2 because she was thinking "I can't win if I go on"? :confused:

no i meant, if she retired the minute she felt something was wrong. then she'd wonder if she could have won had she tried to continue (like she did) and if that were me, at least i'd know that i quit becos i really can't give anything anymore into it. i wouldn't quit unless i could still move on the court. which leads to your second question..

I agree, so quit when you first get hurt... don't make it worse by playing almost two full sets then quit!

yes. the ideal thing to do is quit before it gets worse. but i don't know what was going on in anna's head when she was playing out there. i just know that if that were me (hmmm, if i speculate one more time about me being in anna's shoes, i'd go join the tour http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/7.gif ) anyways, anna got treatment on court during the first set, and she probably talked it out (about continuing) with the trainor at that time. and ofcourse it looks suspicious when you're a game away from having the match over and you quit, but anna doesn't like retiring from matches. she just doesn't. the way i see it is that it's unfortunate that she couldn't finish the match. but i don't understand why people are saying what was the "better" thing for anna to have done. she should have sucked it up, she should have quit earlier....etc. it's her body and if she wanted to play on at first and then felt she couldn't continue anymore, then leave her be.

i've played doubles with a someone before and she was having cramps and i begged her to stop. but she wouldn't. so in the end she had to be carried off the court. was her decision to continue wrong? yes. and i felt very bad for her. but when it all comes down to it, it was her decision, not mine to make. just like it was anna's to whether continue or not.

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Miranda
May 8th, 2002, 05:04 AM
poor anna :sad:

tenn_ace
May 8th, 2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Bradshaw#1
I don't believe for one second that she was injured in that match! She just couldn't take it that someone outside of the top 100 was going to beat her and drop her ranking further down the toilet, so she retired in order to protect her ranking points. Very bad sportsmanship in my eyes! And let's just say theoretically that this was a legit cramping injury. She couldn't have just sucked it up for another game? If you're well enough to play 27 games, you're well enough to play one more. I'm sorry, I like Anna, but I just think this isn't right. If she can't win back to back matches anymore, fine, but at least give Sveta the credit she deserves and finish the match!

if you play tennis, you know what heat exhaustion is... and if you live in the US, you should know how dangerous it might be... (remember last year widely publicized deaths of two high school football players???):o

The Countess
May 8th, 2002, 06:52 AM
Bradshaw :rolleyes:

Your opinion is a little to opinionated for my liking let me see.

I don't believe for one second that she was injured in that match! She just couldn't take it that someone outside of the top 100 was going to beat her and drop her ranking further down the toilet,
so she retired in order to protect her ranking points. Very bad sportsmanship in my eyes! And let's just say theoretically that this was a legit cramping injury. She couldn't have just sucked it up for another game? If you're well enough to play 27 games, you're well enough to play one more. I'm sorry, I like Anna, but I just think this isn't right. If she can't win back to back matches anymore, fine, but at least give Sveta the credit she deserves and finish the match!

Hahahaha is this an opinion??
You have got to be joking here mate.
Anna is a talented player, why would she drop out with no injury just like that!? I don't believe this, look at all the other sets where she is loosing, but still manages to finish the game. I suspose that every match we watch, she just goes and forfeits and retires with an unexpected injury :rolleyes::rolleyes: And Im sure Anna is that immature to do that! Hahaha and so if she played 27 games she should of played a few more? oh god thats trully pathetic. If you are in REAL pain like Anna was, she probably couldn't afford to play another game, there is a thing as PAIN and EXHAUSTION that effects players differently.

This isin't a opinion, thats a statment that has nothing relevant to this injury except what you think, and people know for a fact that Anna wouldn't do such a thing!!!

next part:

For those yelling at me about my comment, I'm entitled to my own opinion. You can agree or disagree, but I think it's completely unnecessary to be rude about it.

And apparently she was legitimately injured, but I still think she could have been the consummate professional and finished the match. When Seles played Hingis on a gimpy ankle, she just let Martina hit the winners and accept the fact that she would not win that day-but she played! Same with Fernandez against Venus at the US Open a few years ago when she played on a gimpy ankle for 2 sets after a nasty spill. If other players can, I'm sure she could as well. She's not above everybody else on the tour, maybe in looks, but no place else.And I'm not saying this cause I hate her, I think she does have talent and she will win one of these small events at some point this year. I just stated my opinion, and I thought it was rude for the majority of those that responded to do so in the way they did

No one is being RUDE! everyone is opinionating on your opinon, well thats what you want dont you, to seek attention, well you got it. Also use the right grammar, or do you need to go back and learn comprehension again at preschool.

You just can't understand that if someone is injured, therefore that cannot play, otherwise they will injure themselves more!

And the majority are not being rude, the Majority are replying to an opinion in a way they feel they would like to respond!

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Williams Rulez
May 8th, 2002, 09:59 AM
This injury is not fake... it makes no sense to fake an injury leading 1 set to nothing... :rolleyes:

ajayares
May 8th, 2002, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Bradshaw#1
I don't believe for one second that she was injured in that match! She just couldn't take it that someone outside of the top 100 was going to beat her and drop her ranking further down the toilet, so she retired in order to protect her ranking points.

I have read some crap in my life, but this must be high up on the list for the worst....

Wow, she retired to save some ranking pts, fact is, once you start the match, it doesn't matter if you retire or not, it goes down as a lost either way..

Oh and just how many ranking pts was she defending???
perhaps I will answer that for you, a big flat zero..

BTW she lost to Fokina in Moscow last year who I think off memory had a worst ranking, did she retire in that match when down??? NO

There is nothing worst than someone making comments on a subject in which you are out of your depth.. by that I mean have No idea what they are talking about...

juggler
May 8th, 2002, 10:10 AM
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANNA HAS RETIRED

lets not kid ourself, of course anna retired at 2-5 because she knew she had no chance of winning the match at the point.

but the fact is she was never 100% from very early in the match. after the first set, which she won, she received treatment.

now anna realised that she was injured, but in her mind there was still a chance of winning, and if she could get thru that match who knows about later rounds. so what anna did was compete and fight like hell up unto the point she realised there was no possible way she could win the match.

so why should she give the opponent the satisfaction of winning? its a thing called pride. anna has pride in herself and there is no way a person with any pride would roll over and give someone the match when they know they have been unable to compete at anywhere near 100% for the majority of the match. yes she does suck at the moment. but to just serve probably underarm 8 balls into the net to concede that match is demeaning to her as a tennis player and her as a person. any person with any self respect would not let this happen.

had sveta dominated the match completely and anna then received her injury in the last couple of games then i have no doubt anna would have said "yep, you were too good today" and would have definately not retired. you only have to look to berlin 2000 when this exact situation happen. anna twisted her ankle badly late in the match against gala leon garcia. but she knew that gala probably deserved to win so she let her serve it out.

This is certainly not the first time someone in anna's situation had done this and certainly wont be the last.

Amanda
May 8th, 2002, 02:07 PM
...still lauging @ ANNA2K's stupidity! First of all, I'm sure that any person on the WTA tour would beat me in a tennis match because I am not a professional tennis player...DUH!...even ANNA!

Secondly, as far as looks are concerned, just imagine me looking exactly like yourself and apply your insane comments. I'll give you a few minutes.......OK now laugh!


Third, I still think Anna's tennis game SUCKS in a major way.

Fourth, If you don't appreciate anyone else's opinion, you can kiss where the sun don't shine.......better yet, you can kiss where the sun DOES shine!

Martian Martin
May 8th, 2002, 02:31 PM
Amanda you keep going on and on about Anna's game sucking at the moment, that is true, not many Anna fans could disagree because the results of late show this, this is down to her confidence more than her tennis. You want to keep criticising Anna and that's fine, but she reached number 8 in the world, has been number 1 in doubles, and has also won 2 Grand Slam doubles titles and lost in 3 Grand Slam doubles finals. So don't keep going on with this crap, that Anna's tennis sucks full stop, because it's not true, although I admit she's obviously having a very bad time of it just now.

Amanda
May 8th, 2002, 06:49 PM
O.K. Martin, I'll stop. :D

TatiAnnahølic
May 8th, 2002, 07:14 PM
Go aNNa!!!!! :bounce:

Lola
May 9th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Martin
Amanda you keep going on and on about Anna's game sucking at the moment, that is true, not many Anna fans could disagree because the results of late show this, this is down to her confidence more than her tennis. You want to keep criticising Anna and that's fine, but she reached number 8 in the world, has been number 1 in doubles, and has also won 2 Grand Slam doubles titles and lost in 3 Grand Slam doubles finals. So don't keep going on with this crap, that Anna's tennis sucks full stop, because it's not true, although I admit she's obviously having a very bad time of it just now.

sorry, but this is bullshit. anna's tennis definitely sucks! there's no doubt about that! well, she has been once no. 8 in the world, so what? that doesn't mean that her tennis doesn't suck; on the contrary...
I don't wanna argue about this, so I'd better stop.