PDA

View Full Version : Venus thinks mens tennis is boring-kournikova talented (c/p)


Sanneriet
May 7th, 2002, 06:24 PM
Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 16:49

She may be absent from the German Open as she has a week off after Sunday's final loss in Hamburg - but world number one Venus Williams still managed to have her say in slamming men's tennis as boring.

"Quite honestly I find men's tennis quite boring," remarked Venus airily, while denying that she has any plans to retire in the near future.

Venus' father Richard caused a stir recently when he suggested that the Wimbledon and Olympic champion might soon hang up her racket and go into business - but the 21-year-old Californian was adamant that day was still a long way off.

"He didn't tell me that personally. I want to keep on playing for a long time," fashion design student Venus told Sport Bild magazine, while admitting that "my biggest dream is to obtain a college diploma."

Venus, who said she had no interest in watching men's tennis, suggested it was futile to compare the two sexes when it comes to tennis when asked if she could beat some of the top male stars.

"I'd probably lose to the number 200 player. But you can't compare apples with pears."

US legend Billie Jean King famously waved the flag for the women's game in winning the tennis battle of the sexes in September 1973, beating Bobby Riggs in Houston, Texas.

But Venus shows no signs of trying to emulate that particular achievement of King.

Another Berlin absentee is Anna Kournikova, the Russian glamour girl preferring to seek out her first career singles title in Warsaw this week.

And Venus thinks that first success will eventually come. "She's nice - I never had a problem with her. Anna's very talented."



Personally, I don't agree with her on men's tennis. I think it is superb. I do agree about Anna though.

Sanneriet

harloo
May 7th, 2002, 06:38 PM
Very interesting, at least she was honest about her chances against a men's player. But like she said, you can't compare apples to peaches it's silly. Men tennis is boring as far as personality wise, which sometimes makes their matches uninteresting. I mean they play good tennis, and the level is much higher but sometimes I just don't feel like looking at them in all boredom. However, when it's a good match I'm up for anything.

Noaces
May 7th, 2002, 06:40 PM
I think Venus' statements are self-serving. Perhaps she thinks that by calling men's tennis boring that this will maintain interest in women's tennis.

That's sad as they are all playing the same sport. Intelligently, I would expect tennis players to stand up for the sport in general.

To many, it's not the GAME of women's tennis that's interesting it's the people playing it. The men play a better GAME. Not many people have seen Anna Kournikova play a match deep into a tournament yet she is supposedly one of the most popular tennis players. That indicates those people are not interested in women's tennis per se.

Because interest in women's tennis is not based on the game itself, people who are interested now will tend to fade away when they get bored with people like Serena, Venus, Capriati, Anna and Hingis.

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2002, 06:48 PM
WTF? Venus is smart because she spoke from her heart! If she thinks MENS tennis is BORING then that is her honest OPINION! Hell I find it somewhat BORING too!! GO WTA:) The Slam comes on TV.. I want to see the ladies not the BORING ole ATP.. lmao!

I find nothing wrong with VENUS's statement and opinion. Self serving they are not. Her opinion which last I checked was FREE in America. Noaces, it is the game also that makes Women's tennis alot more interesting. The WTA has more ralleys more net game.. more excitement. The ATP is alot of times about hard serves .. and such. I have talked to many people and they like the WTA alot more then the ATP.. cause they too know that is it becoming boring. With the new technology in tennis.. it has hurt the men's game.. imho.:):)

GO VEE :D

harloo
May 7th, 2002, 06:49 PM
Sorry Noaces but this is the first time Venus has really spoken out on this issue about men's tennis being boring. I feel like the men have degraded all the women players over the years. Why should someone on the women's tour hold their tounge for the sake of tennis in general? Just look at the criticism woman's tennis get's from men's players like Rios, Rafter, McEnroe, and the list goes on and on. You can bring up numerous degrading artiles in which the men have disrespected the woman's tour. I would suggest that every woman defend their tour. The men certainly don't care about them, so why should they worry about it.

I do understand what you are saying about Anna, because she is marketed as a sex kitten who doesn't need to win because she's beautiful. I know anna can do better, but she doesn't have too. It's truly sad, but I guess Venus wanted to encourage her to do better.

Now, the men's quality of play is better than the womens but they are too dull. I like to watch a good competitive match, but I just don't like the fact that the men are uninteresting stiffs. I think they have all the talent but no excitement besides the Pete and Andre rivalry.

Ryan
May 7th, 2002, 06:53 PM
Venus' interviews are always nice to read. I find mens tennis extremely boring unless I watch someone I support. Anna is talented, but she needs to get that monkey off her back.

Noaces
May 7th, 2002, 07:07 PM
I am sorry if I offend anyone but I am only speaking my mind.

By adding to the debate, Venus is being just as self-serving as Marcelo Rios.

Men's tennis is not boring. Women's tennis is boring to me because i can't stand all the pettiness. Non-Americans find the men's game to be interesting. don't really follow women's tennis because i cannot force myself to watch tons of unforced errors by so-called "top" class players. It' awful to see.

Anna had an easy passage during the late 1990's to make it into the top ten. Martina Hingis and a still maturing Venus and Serena, Lindsay Davenport and Mary Pierce were perhaps her main competition back then.

Her passage won't be so easy now. It's quite clear when Justine Henin can dismantle her game with ease and players outside of the top 100 can beat her on a regular basis.

It's really sad to see how many people have been "fooled" by Octagon and the media and their silly games.

Kart
May 7th, 2002, 07:15 PM
I find myself agreeing with Venus a lot these days :).

Iconoclast
May 7th, 2002, 07:24 PM
I was wondering about the source of this story? It looks to be translated quotes from 'Bild Sport'?

I suspect she may have eloborated on her statement regarding men's tennis. As it's presented, we just get a one-liner and move on. I doubt she made such a blanket statement without explaining her reasons. Perhaps it was said in a humorous context. The story looks rather tabloid in its structure.

Men's tennis can truly be boring. A Wimbledon five-set serving contest between Ivanisevic and Rusedski is not my idea of a joyful time. Give me some best-of-three clay action instead between a couple of gifted Spaniards, and I'll watch. The technical level of the men and the quality of the rallies can be stunning.

And I think Venus is very realistic about her chances against a male player. I don't think any female player could break into the top 300 on the ATP tour. Kim Clijsters talked about her training sessions with Lleyton last week in Hamburg. She revealed that she couldn't hit a winner against him. That was no Anna Smashnova talking, but one of the most powerful women on the tour.

harloo
May 7th, 2002, 07:34 PM
Noances you have a right to your opinion. However, if women's tennis is so filled with so many errors and everyone is so "fooled" by the media then why are you here? Maybe you should go over to the ATP site and cheer for them. I don't think Venus saying that men's tennis is boring is self-serving as Marcelo Rios comments. You maybe should read over all he had to say about the women's tour.

Yes, I do agree that the men's game is more consistent and competitive today. Also, as you noted the women's game is increasing in depth. However, I find it strange that you mention other players and someone out of the top 100 dismantling Venus. I think maybe your issue is with Venus, and not about the women's tour in general.

Now as much as I love men's and women's tennis, I have to say that the men are just boring. Everyone in the tennis establisment knows it, and it's not hard to figure out. Yes, the quality is higher but their is not much interest in the personalites.

Sanneriet
May 7th, 2002, 08:21 PM
Iconoclast,

I do think it was taken out of Bild Sport and possibly (probably) taken out of context. I wonder if anyone could get a copy of the unedited interview. It would be interesting and instructional to see how it was edited.

Sanneriet

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2002, 08:29 PM
Anyone who chooses to compare Rios with Venus's statement is just plain nuts, in my opinion.

Also I would love to see this entire article and quote.:) I still agree with her. compared to the WTA in my mind, ATP is Boooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngg.:)

I mean really how many of us wish they would stop showing Andy, Pete and Agassi, to show a match between two ladies. How many times have we all got pissed when they chose some lame low ranked ATP player instead of a top Lady?

GO VENUS! with your bad self!:)

HAIL-VENUS
May 7th, 2002, 08:42 PM
Hmmmm. This is a very interesting interview indeed. It's been a long time since Venus has made such a bold statement. However, I don't disagree with her. I too think that men's tennis is boring. I'd much rather watch a WTA match than an ATP match. I'm just suprised that Venus revealed these feelings to the media. I also think that there's much more to her statement concerning this matter. Never the less, it's Venus' opinion, and everyone else is allowed to have one, and so is she.;)

Bright Red
May 7th, 2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by harloo
I feel like the men have degraded all the women players over the years. Why should someone on the women's tour hold their tongue for the sake of tennis in general? Just look at the criticism woman's tennis get's from men's players like Rios, Rafter, McEnroe, and the list goes on and on.

Exactly.

Crazy Canuck
May 7th, 2002, 08:51 PM
Thanks for the interview. Its rare to find another player praise Anna as such, isn't it? (I'm saying this as its a good thing to Venus do it...not insulting Anna :) )

I don't see anything wrong with Venus sounding off about mens tennis - she only said one sentance. If she finds it boring, she finds it boring.

Then again, I also didn't see anything wrong with Rios' comments either.

The difference of course, is that when Rios speaks I tend not to take him too seriously cause he is often so negative - whereas with Venus I tend to read more into what she says, cause she seems genuine.


Cherio!

Double Fault
May 7th, 2002, 08:52 PM
I agree with Venus regarding mens tennis.

About time somebody from the WTA fired something back to the likes of Rios, Cash, Krajicek, McEnroe and Henman (yes I have not forgotten what you said Timmie) :(

Like Dawn said I'd like to read the entire atricle too.

Jessica02
May 7th, 2002, 09:16 PM
Venus can say whatever she likes, as can we all! :D :D :D

Volcana
May 7th, 2002, 09:29 PM
Men's and women's tennis ARE different games, even though the rules are the same. By that I mean what's required to succeed in each is different. Women are, on average, shorter, weaker and slower than men. That does not make the women's game a bowdlerized version of the men's. It means the mental component of tennis is more important in the women's game. This isn't the only way the women's game is more difficult.

First and foremost, the court's the same size. Which mean a shorter, slower player is doing a LOT more work to cover it.

The ball is traveling a lot faster for the men, and has a lot more rotation. (see James Blake's forehand) WHat effect does this have?

The women play longer points.
The men play more points.

On the men's side, a good volley-er of average height (for the ATP), prepared and on balance, has all the advantages at net. Even if a top ten player is trying to pass him.

On the women's side, a good volley-er of average height (for the WTA), prepared and on balance, comes close to committing suicide if they go to net regularly against the top ten. Except Martina, they all hit very heavy passing shots. And Martina's accuracy more than makes up for that.

The women's game, to me, is a bit like regular tournament chess. (40-moves-in-an-hour type). The men's game is more like blitz-chess. Both are a lot of fun (I'm a nerd, shoot me), but the depth of thought is greater normal tournament ches than in blitz, which is more about how well you KNOW certain things, not how well you figure them out.

Understand, there's nothing WRONG with men's tennis. But it's as different from women's tennis as men's basketball is from women's. A give-and-go in men's basketball on TV brings ooh and aaahs from announcers. Because they never see. Women don't by-and-large dunk. They HAVE use screens, picks, etc to score. In other words, women's relative lack of physical prowess often results in a more fundamentally superior version of the sport. The Connecticut women's basketball team plays is a clinic on how to play the game. But they couldn't beat even an average men's team.

The court's the same size.
The GAME is not the same.

cynicole
May 7th, 2002, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
Both are a lot of fun (I'm a nerd, shoot me)

*Bang! Bang! Bang!*

:angel:

RockSteady
May 7th, 2002, 10:21 PM
In my opinion, the problem with mens tennis is that with the exception of a very few serve-and-volleyers, they all play the same. Not that their style is the same, BUT, every male player hits it hard, runs fast, can mix it up, volleys well, serves big, etc. The top women, however, have bigger differences between their game. Serena CAN'T hit those drop shots. Lindsay CAN'T run fast. Martina DOESN'T hit winners. When I watch a women's match between the top players, their styles are very conflicting, because one player can do a lot the other player can't, and vice-versa. The men, however...when I watch one of their matches, I see two players who can do exactly what the other guy can do. Yawn.

Oh, this is coming from a male, too.

Martian Martin
May 8th, 2002, 12:08 AM
The way I see it, is that the men's game has better depth than the woman's game, but the women's game has more personalities and is more interesting, just because there are more rivalries.

tennischick
May 8th, 2002, 04:14 AM
...and to think that just yesterday i was saying that Venus was the most diplomatic player when it came to handling the media :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: i am shocked that she would say something this controversial and would love to see the entire interview to make sure that she is not being quoted out of context. this is not like her at all. more than any other player i believe (to quote myself) that Venus has mastered the art of saying nothing and offending no-one. this is so out of character that i will for now give her the benefit of the doubt. Venus normally reserves her trash-talking for her opponents. what on earth could have provoked this?? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Miranda
May 8th, 2002, 04:18 AM
agree with ann's part but don't agree with men's part :cool:

Terri77
May 8th, 2002, 04:22 AM
The only time I watch the men is if I'm waiting for them to switch to a women's match or if it's mixed doubles.

tenn_ace
May 8th, 2002, 04:25 AM
sincere thanks to Venus for supporting ANNA, when Anna needs it most of all.:wavey:

Williams Rulez
May 8th, 2002, 08:23 AM
Ooo... Venus just spoke my mind... ;)

And I agree with Volcana's post, except I don't really like men's matches, except for a select few players like Andre!! :D :D

Jeff
May 8th, 2002, 08:51 AM
I agree with Venus! The ATP is boring! I love playing tennis, to me it's one of the best sports to play. Watching tennis, however, can be very boring unless you are watching A) Players with personality and B) Variety. It is very rare that I can sit and watch a full men's match without getting bored. Even the male announcers are boring....I'd much rather listen to Mary Carillo or Mary Joe Fernandez than Patrick McEnroe or Cliff Drysdale...both of which are BORING.

conchita
May 8th, 2002, 09:26 AM
Well it is clearly obvious that because MARS plays like a man, much like amelie mauresmo, that she is calling herself boring and i would have to agree! Who wants to listen to her grunting away like an idiot just to put the other play off? well ive got knews for you MARS, just the thought of playing you would put them off and i don't mean scared of your power! Stop criticising Mars or you will be criticised right back. I myself don't like the ATP Tennis so much either but i do follow my countries players!

Memories:

MARS losing in the 1st round of the French Open last year as the number 2 seed in STRAIGHT SETS!

J_Migoe
May 8th, 2002, 09:39 AM
Dear Conchita,
First of all, Mars is not her name. Its Venus. Second of all, Venus does not play like a man. She plays like Venus Williams. To liken her power game to "playing like a man" makes for ludicrous analogy. Thirdly, Venus is not an idiot. She knows exactly what she's doing and she is entitled to her opinion which I find myself very much in concurrence with. Don't even try to get Amelie into this conversation. She is beautiful in her own way.

You just had to snip in some of your anti-Williamsism in a thread like this. Get a perspective!

THE NET
May 8th, 2002, 10:23 AM
I love Women's tennis!

It's more complete as an ENTERTAINMENT for me! (compared to any other sport.)

:o

Harju.
May 8th, 2002, 10:36 AM
I think Venus is right.. Men tennis is so boring...

It takes a very long time.. and they're not interesting at all!! except for andy roddick.. he's such a hottie...

conchita
May 8th, 2002, 11:26 AM
You are clearly right J Migoe, every one is entitled to their own opinion. On that note, i think the Williams' brothers are complete snobs who think the tennis world revolves around them. And Mars is an idiot, all she has is power that she clearly can't control and on the odd occasion where they play against each other, their dad Dick Williams rigs the matches. EVERYONE MUST HAVE KNOWN THIS IF YOU LOOKED AT HER PERFORMANCE.

BigTennisFan
May 8th, 2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by conchita
You are clearly right J Migoe, every one is entitled to their own opinion. On that note, i think the Williams' brothers are complete snobs who think the tennis world revolves around them. And Mars is an idiot, all she has is power that she clearly can't control and on the odd occasion where they play against each other, their dad Dick Williams rigs the matches. EVERYONE MUST HAVE KNOWN THIS IF YOU LOOKED AT HER PERFORMANCE.

As granny would say: "Jed, who's this goomer?" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

QueenO
May 8th, 2002, 07:51 PM
conchita
What's wrong :sad: mum didn't breast feed you as a baby:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Josh
May 8th, 2002, 11:36 PM
Conchita, you may not like a particular player(s) or their game but that doesn't give you the right to insult them, K.

J_Migoe
May 9th, 2002, 12:01 AM
Whatever Conchita................. At least one thing is certain, Vee is way better than your fave and she certainly has more power and confidence then YOU could ever wish for.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: "Don't hate the player. Hate yourself for being so full of hate." Ronaldo

Cam'ron Giles
May 9th, 2002, 01:00 AM
Conchita, I am not going to diss your name sake (and lord knows I have tons I could say) because I am sure if she saw a fan of hers disrespecting one of her colleagues she would begg you to change your user name.
You on the other hand need adult supervision when you venture into cyber space. I suggest you get off the computer and read about about behaving like an adult and having good manners. I am sure you know better than that hate you just kicked at us.

aura of daniela
May 9th, 2002, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by RockSteady
In my opinion, the problem with mens tennis is that with the exception of a very few serve-and-volleyers, they all play the same. Not that their style is the same, BUT, every male player hits it hard, runs fast, can mix it up, volleys well, serves big, etc. The top women, however, have bigger differences between their game. Serena CAN'T hit those drop shots. Lindsay CAN'T run fast. Martina DOESN'T hit winners. When I watch a women's match between the top players, their styles are very conflicting, because one player can do a lot the other player can't, and vice-versa. The men, however...when I watch one of their matches, I see two players who can do exactly what the other guy can do. Yawn.

Oh, this is coming from a male, too.

Hi Rocksteady,
What it seem like your saying is that the flaws in the womens game make it more interest??? You say that player A CANT do this, and player B CANT do this. Is that really a good thing.
It just seems like your saying that you'd prefer Variety of tennis on a lower level, to less Variety on a higher level.
That just how I interpreted your comment.

Thanks
Simon V

PS........what did Rafter say about the womens game???

aura of daniela
May 9th, 2002, 01:40 AM
Ok, now this is a more general post about the Men versus Women debate.

I really don't understand the motives behind players disrespecting the game that is opposite to theres. ie, women disrespecting the mens, and the other way round.
Especially when they are current day players.

I have no doubt that Marcelo is an idiot for opening his mouth, as is Cash and McEnroe, and now, unfortunately, Venus has joined them.

If the players were thinking of tennis as a whole, they would realise that there comments are just detracting prospective players away from the sport.

By Venus saying that Men's tennis is boring, a young impressionable kid may think "I don't want to play a boring sport" thus, tennis could have lost a possible champion.

Saying that though, I think the media really push players into saying controversial comments.
If the player comes out and says the comment off their own bat, ok, but if the question is asked "Venus, go you enjoying watching men's tennis?" or "Marcelo, <player A> lost to Hingis 6-1, 6-1 in 30 minutes, what do you think?" the media are restricting there possible responses.
They lead players into saying these thing, and it's the true professionals who restrain from saying silly comments, but when your on the spot, it is tough to think quick, and the natural response often come out.
"No Comment on that topic" may be the hardest thing to say in an interview, but it's proves your respect for the game as a whole.

I love tennis on both side, and I consider myself lucky to enjoy both. If you have a reason to find one or the other boring, thats your choice, but it is your bad luck......:)

Simon V

conchita
May 9th, 2002, 05:59 AM
Look @ all the venus fans ganging up on me? How touching! This further reemphasises my point on how if someone knocks another player, such as Hingis for lack of power or Seles coz she's getting tired, we don't really care but take it in our stride. However, whenever Mars or Serena gets knocked, all their fans turn it into some huge debarcle! What a load of ****!

Whatever Conchita................. At least one thing is certain, Vee is way better than your fave and she certainly has more power and confidence then YOU could ever wish for.

This quote just proves how obnoxious CAN BE, maybe not all of them are, quite snobby! And i am quite certain that conchita would be grateful enough for her to have fans considering her recent performances........

And to Queen O, you are very sick.

Dawn Marie
May 9th, 2002, 06:23 AM
Conchita I disagree with your last statement. I do think that when someone knocks a player intentionally that SOME people who like that particular player will gang up or make statements disagreeing with your viewpoint. Believe, you me, it is not only Venus and Serena fans who turn things into a huge debacle. fans of different players including Venus and Serena fans don't always take it in stride. How can you speak for all Seles and Hingis fans anyway? Alot of fans are passionate about their favorites and will defend them, when someone is disrepecting their favorite. Some will go overboard at times, and some choose to take the highroad.:)

Fearless Venus Rulez:)

conchita
May 9th, 2002, 07:14 AM
It was just an example Dawn Marie and i am not speaking on behalf of all Hingis and Seles fans anyway, though most Hingis fans i think do not like the Williams sisters and vice versa. Just check out their fan bases and you will realise this, :wavey: :wavey:

Dawn Marie
May 9th, 2002, 07:26 AM
Conchita, In my opinion you're speaking for ALL Hingis and Seles fans. And I quote you from your above post. "(We) don't really care but take it OUR stride." I disagree, as I think all fans of the many different tennis players are individual people, some take the highroad, and others will debate until the cows come home. Some do both.:);):) It just seems that when you wrote the word "We" in your paragraph, that you meant ALL Hingis and ALL Seles fans.. and I think that the many fans of Hingis and Seles are different people. They are not all alike. Some will debate all day and night and some also choose to take the highroad. Some do both. This also includes Conchi fans too, they are not all alike.:):wavey:

Messenger
May 9th, 2002, 08:31 AM
Venus is right on both points. Obviously she is quite intelligent. I have always been under the impression that she has always been the more articulate and friendly sister.

Messenger
May 9th, 2002, 08:37 AM
Oh and I would much rather be a Conchita fan than a Venus fan. At least it isn't boring. Venus wins a tournament, murdering all the poor qualifiers and underdogs along the way? Yawn. Happens every other week. Conchita wins a tournament? At least her fans have something to celebrate about!

conchita
May 9th, 2002, 09:28 AM
lol@Caesar's Messenger! I WOULD LOVE FOR CONCHITA TO AT LEAST MAKE THE QF OF A TOURNAMENT. And fine, it was misworded, i wasn't speaking on behalf of all the fans etc, it just came out wrong, ok? :D :D :wavey: :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
May 9th, 2002, 02:24 PM
Conchita wins a tourney? LOL, LMAO:eek:

QueenO
May 9th, 2002, 02:38 PM
conchita
:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: So it must be true:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Infiniti2001
May 9th, 2002, 03:50 PM
Oh and I would much rather be a Conchita fan than a Venus fan. At least it isn't boring. Venus wins a tournament, murdering all the poor qualifiers and underdogs along the way? Yawn. Happens every other week. Conchita wins a tournament? At least her fans have something to celebrate about!

You are kidding right?? Playing tennis is a job to Venus, so of course she wants/has to do her best. If that means winning every other tournament so be it. The same applies to all the players... And I doubt your fav. Conchita would call Venus's winning ways boring. :eek: :rolleyes:

victory1
May 9th, 2002, 03:56 PM
I'm sure Moonball wish she could win as often, don't fool yourselves. I'm sure she don't have a loser mentality like some of her fans.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 9th, 2002, 04:10 PM
I am so sick of hypocrites like conchita. First she comes in here taking shots at venus, not criticizing her game, but personal shots that really only reveal her own ignorance and stupidity. Then she turns around says that she hates it when wiliams fans do this. sorry but the williams fans I know may critique a players game or behavior but that dont take cheap shots(though some do). My point is that dont complain about something then turn around and do it yourself. What are you a ten year old?

Also Venus is entitled to her opinion. would you rather she lie?

harloo
May 9th, 2002, 04:41 PM
Exactly Cybelle, couldn't have said it any better. It's obvious Conchita has serious issues with Venus, Mauresmo. But then she tries to defend her ignorant staments by saying look at all Venus fans ganging up on me. You are ignorant, plain and simple. If you have an opinion you can express it without taking personal attacks for no reason, but it's obvious that you are not intellegent enough to do so.

Weevee
May 9th, 2002, 05:50 PM
Queen O it is probably too much to expect Conchita to understand you.
I don't know if men's tennis is boring because I am usually watching something else.
For this I am quite happy to accept Volcana's and Rock Steady's explanations. That might be the reason why Spiderman is more popular than Superman. He is more effeminate and more vulnerable.

J_Migoe
May 9th, 2002, 10:32 PM
Williams fans, we need to pray for this Conchita. The hate and incomparable stupidity in her/him is so great that I fear they might end up eating his/her guts dry.He/She is in dire need of spiritual and psychiatric counselling
Let's start praying................. In the name of the father, holy.....:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

gweeny
May 10th, 2002, 12:30 AM
What I don't understand is why conchita (username) calls Venus Williams "mars" there really must be some distaste for venus. I think it is rude to call someone a name that does not make sense. Her name is venus call her venus and if you hate her so much, you can call her the "current number one player" :D

conchita
May 10th, 2002, 06:51 AM
I'm sure Moonball wish she could win as often, don't fool yourselves. I'm sure she don't have a loser mentality like some of her fans.

First of all, i am not ignorant nor a female nor a ten year old.

Secondly, the quote above emphasises the hypocracy of gweeny. If you are going to defend Venus for calling me Mars, then you should have defended Conchita for someone calling her Moonball.

Thirdly, my mentality is quite stable thanks very much and i am sure that every one of you has said something bad about someone else in your lives so you cannot attack me for doing the same thing.

Finally, i didn't know my opinion would cause so much friction so i'd like to apologise for being such a dickhead, its just that conchita always loses and i am sick of venus winning all the time and some of her statements just seem like she is a bit snobby. THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON HER!

Also, i will make a pact (if any on you care) that i will not knock Venus personally if you won't knock Conchita personally or call her names such as "Moonball". That style of play got her to win Wimbledon so don't knock it.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Cam'ron Giles
May 10th, 2002, 08:41 AM
Ok, deal. I wont knock ****eater oops I mean Conchita. OK. :wavey:

BTW, you also called them the "Williams Brothers". :o

monicain
May 10th, 2002, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by aura of daniela


It just seems like your saying that you'd prefer Variety of tennis on a lower level, to less Variety on a higher level.


For me, variety DOES make it fun.

Two players with equal ability in all shots is real dull. It's fun to see player A play dropshot coz she knows player B cannot handle the netplay. That what i call smart and thoughtful tennis.

Variety also makes some rivalries ones to watch, e.g. Sampras-Agassi. Coz they're different. In women game almost all top ten has their own unique styles [ except Vee n Reena ] that really makes topten encounter in women fantastic [ again, except the family encounter one ]

About level of play, I agree with you for some point, not all. Men play high quality? It just how you define that high quality. If you mean play with less easy errors, ability to perform all tennis skills, then yes, men do it better. BUT, Too less is bad, so is Too much. Because men can hit strokes with so much spin and accuracy and OTOH they can run fast enough to capture all the ball--that's why men's Clay matches esp. 5 setters at RG are horrible. They last hours with increasing boredom. And OTOH, men serve so well and volley the adjacent shot sharpfully--that's why men's Grass match always pass by so quick, left nothing, no shot, really nothing but Aces and DF to remember.Women's level is-ok it's lower in general-but in top ten encounter, It's always been high.That's why 1st to 4th rnd women matches at GS event are not so good.

Mental part is also lacked in men's rivalries. Women players have unique characteristics to perform. Then their game is sth composed of athlethism and soap opera--and that is perfect entertainment.


p.s. Indeed one thing I want from women tennis is Difference when they play on each surface. It'd be cool to wait for Venus period or Jenn period on the calendar. I'll be waiting for that.

conchita
May 10th, 2002, 09:34 AM
you are being entirely provocative and unreasonable Freethink82! I thought you were kinda funny from all your other posts but now you are being totally unfair. Even i didn't resort to shit like that!