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spiceboy
May 7th, 2002, 05:59 PM
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wongqks
May 7th, 2002, 06:02 PM
Well to be exacxt, she retire through an injury, you cannot balme her for getting injured

spiceboy
May 7th, 2002, 06:03 PM
Anna retired when losing to 17 year-old Svetlana Kuznetsova (ranked 162 in the world) 4/6, 6/4, 5/2 in the first round of the Warsaw Open.

Is it time for a break a time to adjust her game???

TheBoiledEgg
May 7th, 2002, 06:06 PM
Sveta is 16 and she got injured

even if she didn't it was always going to be a tough one.

Just hoping she hasn't done any serious damage

Sveta should get thru to QF min or semis depending on who she meets there

spiceboy
May 7th, 2002, 06:12 PM
Yeah, I know all these injuries after leading a match and then when losing in the third 5-something just retires. If it was really serious why just don't give it uo earlier? Or if it wasn't why not finish the match? :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

But of course if she retires she (and from what I can see you as well) can say that she is injured.
;)

apoet29
May 7th, 2002, 06:15 PM
There is no reason to gloat over this loss. Obviously Anna is hurting physically and mentally right now and it is going to take her a while to get back into any sort of form. Hopefully, Harold Soloman can help Anna when she gets to Rome.

I was worried when the match went to a third set that Anna would have mental and/or physical problems. Sveta is a top junior player who is capable of giving other players a lot of problems.

Poor kid. Even though she retired with an injury, this loss is going to hurt her mentally for a while. When Anna lost to Fokina last fall, she has a lot of troubles in her next match against Myskina. I hope that won't be the case this time.

THE NET
May 7th, 2002, 06:18 PM
Poor Anna!

What happened with her?

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Monica_Rules
May 7th, 2002, 06:20 PM
Anna:sad:

Martian Martin
May 7th, 2002, 06:23 PM
Good post Apoet, about gloating over players losses. I'm fed up with it. The fact is Anna got injured, and even if she did retire because she was losing, then so what?. Every single player has done that in their career, Anna has never not finished a match before. I believe Anna is injured, because she wouldn't just give up, I just hope first of all, she's ok.

Spiceboy, you might hate Anna, and that's fine but you couldn't even get Sveta's name right in the other thread. Anna's going through a very tough time just now, and as much as you don't like her, don't gloat, I know there is too much gloating on this board, but if everyone did it, then this board would be a terrible place to be.

I'm not sure where Anna goes from here, that's assuming she's ok and not injured too badly. I think she'd be better pulling out of Rome, then having two weeks of practice with Harold Soloman before the French Open.

spiceboy
May 7th, 2002, 06:38 PM
Martin, darling :kiss: believe me, I don't hate Anna. Life if too short to waste it hating each other ;) I just don't like some of her acts like this one of retiring when losing 5-2 in the third. That's all. She should have finished it and give full credit to Vera 's(Oooooooooooops, Sveta's:rolleyes: ) win. I play in the same club Sveta trains here in Barcelona and even I can't say her name properly as you said before she is a very nice and humble girl and she must be sooooooo happy after this big win (I can tell you Anna is not the most beloved girl among the russians)

So relax, Martin and please do me a favour: be happy and sleep well tonight. I will :angel:

ys
May 7th, 2002, 06:38 PM
The worst possible outcome that this match could have possibly had. This win will serve no purpose for Sveta. I am sure she will still lose no later than QF. She is not ready to play on this level yet. It will be just one-time hit, like Fokina's win over Anna in Moscow. Did it help Fokina? Was it a breakthrough for her? Neither.. At the same time the result wll leave Anna humiliated and injured.

THE NET
May 7th, 2002, 06:39 PM
It's not that easy being Anna Kournikova!

Poor Anna!!

:sad:

saff76ar
May 7th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Great post Martin and apoet29, this is the first time in her entire career that she retires, so stop gloating over this. She's well known for not giving up despite being injured, like the cat said at the other board she finished her match in 2000 despite that terrible ankle injury.

Things were not doing great lately, and now this makes things even worse, i agree with Martin, if it's really serious she should skip Rome and then get 2 weeks off before RG, if not, oh well, just sit down and start thinking things over. I'm dissapointed and worried all together.

Bright Red
May 7th, 2002, 06:49 PM
And to think that I used to criticize Anna for not playing smaller tournaments.

Today's loss almost makes me feel sorry for Anna. To lose to a Top 10 player is no big deal, but to lose (or withdraw while losing) to a very low-ranked player must be humiliating.

I hate to keep switching sides on the issue, but now I feel that it's in Anna's best interest to stick with the big events. It would be much better for her based not only on what I mentioned above, but also because Anna's not the type of player who can beat someone she's never played before. She seems to fare better against someone whose game she knows.

Martian Martin
May 7th, 2002, 06:57 PM
Spiceboy, what do you mean I don't like some of her acts including retiring at 2-5 in the 3rd set, like I said in the last post, every single player has done this, if you look at almost every single player you won't find someone that hasn't done this. You started off this thread with Anna loses, well that's wrong for starters.
You say about Anna not being too popular amongst the Russians, well big deal, everyone knows that already, and it's not as if all the Russians are all big one happy family, where everyone single player likes each other, no country's players are like that.

Saff, yeah I'm the same about being worried and disappointed, I feel terrible about it, so I have no idea how Anna feels about it. I know what it's like losing my confidence doing things, and that's what's happened to Anna on a tennis court these days, it's a really difficult situation for her. I just hope Harold can do something.

Hurley
May 7th, 2002, 07:03 PM
I disagree, ys. Galya is a talented shotmaker but doesn't yet have the kind of consistent power which is needed to make it through WTA Tour draws. I doubt she ever will.

Sveta, though, is already sturdy and speedy and will adapt much better to the Tour than Fokina will. Her next match is Noorlander, overranked even at #106, and if she loses that I'll be shocked. After that, perhaps Bovina would hold a mental edge in the quarterfinal, but if she plays Reeves instead I don't see why she couldn't win that match as well.

Sveta is a future good (possibly great) player and though I predicted Anna would win today, it's neither unbelievable nor all that surprising that Sveta turned out to be the victor.

the cat
May 7th, 2002, 07:33 PM
Poor Anna! I fear that her spirit and desire are broken. Perhaps for good. And that's not good! :(

apoet29, that was a fine post about Anna and her struggles! You were very sensitive and understanding! As usual! Thanks! :kiss:

Volcana
May 7th, 2002, 07:42 PM
I feel a bit thick feeling sorry for a 21 year old millionaire, but I do. Going through a multi-year losing streak with a worldwide audience can't be fun. OTOH, she makes her money with her looks, not her athletics. On some level, I'm sure she's laughing all the way to bank at folks like me.

Noaces
May 7th, 2002, 08:14 PM
Why should I be sorry for her??

Octagon , the media and Kournikova have exploited the public to make HER and the agency rich??

Why should people go to tournaments? To see her lose in the first or second round. It's ridiculous. I only wish tennis fans would awake from their slumber or whatever they have been lulled into. No intelligent supporter of a sport could really support someone like Kournikova just because of her looks.

There are tons of promising youngsters out there so why select ONE to promote and make rich??? It's crazy and people need to start appreciating this. Tennis is a sport and as such it is about playing and winning not about looks.

Venus and Serena have won much more than Anna and yet they have not gotten half as much notice. I wonder if if it's the old "blonde hair blue eyes' syndrome??? This is bad for women in general and bad for women's sports in particular.

Bright Red
May 7th, 2002, 08:20 PM
Please note that I said "almost" feel sorry for her.

Amanda
May 7th, 2002, 08:31 PM
Noaces:

Regarding Venus and Serena--Don't forget that Venus signed the most lucrative endorsement contract in women's sports history....Both Venus and Serena have been featured in major magazines, television commercials, and have become celebrities worldwide. They both have make millions in endorsements. What sets the apart from Anna is that as professional tennis players, They have won several tournaments and are much superior to Anna.

BTW, According to Fortune magazine, Venus was ranked #1 for endorsements for 2001! Anna was #2.

bootilicious
May 7th, 2002, 08:50 PM
Yeah Noaces,
I hardly think that Venus and Serena are the best candidates to compare to Anna in order to stress the favouritism Anna receives.

Lindsay Davenports case proves your point more. She has been a top 3 player for ages, but you hardly hear anything about her.

babywhale
May 7th, 2002, 08:53 PM
Brilliant win for Sveta. And Anna lost again! :) I knew she'd end up with egg on her face for playing Bol and Warsaw. Injured. You don't get to 2-5 down in the final set and retire with a serious injury. You might retire with that scoreline if you slip and twist your ankle, but if it's an existing injury, you don't go on court if it's bad, or you retire as soon as you feel pain. Anna thought she had a chance, then saw that her opponent could beat her, nd then retired to lessen the humiliation.

It's interesting to see read all those people who were yearning for Anna to play Tier III and Tier IVs. Previously they were saying that Anna shouldn't do the cheap thing and play down. Then they said she should to boost her confidence. Now they tell her to play up again......ha ha......whichever tune sounds best. Face it guys, this girl is going nowhere fast. It's only the fact that she's tall and blonde that she can get into Tier I and Tier IIs. How humiliating is that?

Get well soon Anna. I miss a good laugh.

RAA
May 7th, 2002, 08:58 PM
I agree 100 percent with what Volcana said:

"I feel a bit thick feeling sorry for a 21 year old millionaire, but I do. Going through a multi-year losing streak with a worldwide audience can't be fun. OTOH, she makes her money with her looks, not her athletics. On some level, I'm sure she's laughing all the way to bank at folks like me."

its hard for me to feel "sorry" for her.

but if anna never plays another tennis match in her life, she'll still be fine. i feel more sorry for players who churn through the challenger events trying to make a living at something they love, without the benefit of sponsors and good looks.

anyway, if it was cramps, then she'll bounce back soon. I don't like it when any player is injured so I hope she is okay. but as for feeling sorry for her, I just can't get there...

ptkten
May 7th, 2002, 10:06 PM
Anna doesn't have to use her looks to get into tournaments.... she's ranked 65th.

babywhale
May 7th, 2002, 10:11 PM
being ranked 65 doesn't get you into Tier I and Tier II events.

Anna only gets in because she has been awarded Gold Exempt Status and therefore gets Wild Cards...........

And why do they give her wildcards..............because she is good-looking and draws the fans..........

so don't imply that looks don't matter for Anna. They're all she's got at the moment.......and people tire of worshipping a loser, no matter how attractive he/she is............

FLL
May 7th, 2002, 10:13 PM
babywhale...

doesn't Jelena do that all the times in a match in which she is losing! instead of being a jerk...just shut up!

babywhale
May 7th, 2002, 10:17 PM
sorry for obviously hitting a nerve. Yes, I've seen Jelena pull out of semi-final matches half way through. Like it would be humiliating to lose to, say, Clijsters in the semis :rolleyes: Give over, Anna avoided humiliation. The injuries are hardly from playing too many matches this year :D

FLL
May 7th, 2002, 10:26 PM
I don't give a f***!!! Why is it necessary to talk trash about Anna when you don't like her! She obviously did something to you personally for you to say things like that! Anna ask for the trainer once in the 1st set and then once after the first set. You say she's trying to avoid humiliation. She couldn't play! You're obviously not a tennis player because let me tell you somthing. Cramps are a real pain in the ass! It's IMPOSSIBLE to play well with them! What's the point of looking like an idiot on the court!

It's the first time Anna does while on the other hand, Jelena does it almost every week!!!

babywhale
May 7th, 2002, 10:29 PM
dokic wasn't cramping. she had a hamstring injury. and besides, Dokic has played a lot of matches in succession these past 3 months as well as doubles. Anna's barely getting one match per fortnight......

Okay, so Anna is out of shape and in bad condition. But you act like she is not responsible for that.

jd4eva
May 7th, 2002, 10:30 PM
FLL - for your information, Jelena has finished plenty of matches injured, losing to Kremer 3-6 0-6, 3-6 1-6 and to Smashnova 1-6 3-6. I hardly think that finishing a match against Clijsters or Henin would have been problem for Jelena, but she simply couldn't. She tried to finish the matches when she can. And anytime you see a player reduced to tears because they can't finish the match, you can obviously tell it's not something they're doing for fun. Because your fave can't win, don't take out your frustrations on another player. For your information, in Amelia, jelena was sufering a stomach virus and it got worse as the match progressed. In Hamburg, Jelena felt her hamstring at around 4-1 in the 2nd set, and after trying to hit out for the next 3 games, she couldn't go on.

http://jellyworld.freewebspace.com/bettybarclay2002/bbc18.jpg

FLL
May 7th, 2002, 10:52 PM
I know what you are saying ILUVJELENA but it's the other moron that can't understand. Even if she isn't playing a lot, it is possible to get injured, especially on clay! In that match, Anna had problems with her hamstring, hand and she had some cramps(due to dehydration).

Lelu
May 7th, 2002, 10:53 PM
If she could play at 2-5 in the third, she obviously could finish the set and the match. She wasn't taken out on a stretcher, was she? Serena was severely criticized for doing exactly the same thing, so, why should Anna be spared.
As for feeling sorry for her, not a chance! There have been enough wake up calls lately for her to re-examine her tennis career and goals. It is obvious that she cannot do both: playing tennis and being a model, wannabe movie star and Enrique Iglesias' love interest.
I used to be Anna's fan but not anymore. She is just not committed to tennis even though she won't admit it! The latest strings of results atest to that.
She is rich and famous and that took away the drive and hunger for winning.
Harold Solomon will not help no matter how much she'll pay him. The only way she could return to tennis would be to start treating her for what she is: a decent, albeit, average player.

vishniac
May 8th, 2002, 12:01 AM
Sorry for her? What a joke! Sorry for X milion$!

Look at her quote: "Please, we are not tennis players, we are stars!"
Your bottom is a star, or your boobies, or your pretty face, Tennis Barbie, but you?
Movie stars at least play in movies, supermodels are on the catwalks, tennis stars give us incredible matches. Anna is nothing. Just a swimsuit calendar.

ghosts
May 8th, 2002, 12:18 AM
OMG Anna :rolleyes:

tennischick
May 8th, 2002, 12:38 AM
i don't think Anna avoided humiliation by withdrawing. on the contrary i think she made it worse on herself. however, to withdraw may be an attempt to make the excuse legitimate -- as in i am really injured and cannot continue. i feel badly for her and worse for women's tennis. the amount of attention she attracts has always been a mixed deal. ask Tauziat. maybe if she takes a break from playing and goes off and improves her game, it might do both her and the sport well.

Martian Martin
May 8th, 2002, 01:19 AM
Well said FLL.

Babywhale, you haven't had many posts on this board, but I think about every post has been a negative one towards Anna. What's the point in that?!!. I've said to you before, you don't like Anna, that's fine, but you don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

Lelu, ok that's fine you don't have to support her anymore. You make it sound as though Anna couldn't care less, that's crap. Why did she hire Soloman then, why does she go and play tournaments in Bol and Warsaw?. If she couldn't care less, she'd have played Berlin and Hamburg because they are more glamorous tournaments. The latest string of results isn't because Anna couldn't care less, it's because she has no confidence at all on a tennis court anymore, now no matter how much fame, money you have, if you don't have self belief in yourself doing something, then it's very difficult to do. I know myself the issues of confidence because my lack of confidence is really effecting me, it's exactly the same with Anna, you might not think that confidence isn't important, but it's more important than anything.

baleineau
May 8th, 2002, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Martin
Babywhale, you haven't had many posts on this board, but I think about every post has been a negative one towards Anna. What's the point in that?!!. I've said to you before, you don't like Anna, that's fine, but you don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

I come to the message board to take part in discussions and offer my opinion for others to respond to or ignore. There are some players I like and speak positively about, there are some I love, there are some I am indifferent to, and there are some I can't stand.

I don't like the Anna "thing". The whole hype is ridiculous, so for people who are not fond of Anna, now is a time to rejoice. You can join in and rejoice, or get totally shirty and offended. Well, for too long, those not so fond of Anna have felt offended because their higher ranked and more committed favourites have been repeatedly overlooked by the media, sponsors and fans in favour of someone who exploits and is grossly exploited.

Women's tennis is in danger of going backwards very quickly if Anna is not allowed to be buried quietly in Tier III and Tier IV events.

And Martin, one thing: thanks for the advice, but I think I am the best judge of which discussions to take part in and which ones to avoid.

babywhale
May 8th, 2002, 01:29 AM
sorry, HunkyAlex has no connection with my views on Anna. he is my boyfriend, so the message above is from me, babywhale

Damned bloody cookies :fiery:

BK4ever
May 8th, 2002, 01:42 AM
Kournikova forced to quit match due to injury

5/7/02 6:41 PM


From the USTA website

WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- Anna Kournikova, fighting arm and leg injuries, was forced to quit her match against Svetlana Kuznetsova in the first round Tuesday of the $170,000 J&S Cup tournament.

Kournikova was trailing 4-6, 6-4, 5-2 when she withdrew.

She took a break after winning the first set because she had problems with her left leg. In the second set, while trailing 2-4, doctors examined her right arm.

It was not immediately clear which injury forced her out.

In other matches, top-seeded Henrieta Nagyova defeated Irina Selyutina 6-4, 6-4; Selima Sfar defeated fourth-seeded Alina Jidkova 6-0, 6-3; fifth-seeded Virginia Ruano-Pascual beat second-seeded Vera Douchevina 6-1, 7-6; and Emilie Loit defeated seventh-seeded Janica Kostanic 6-4, 6-0.

SIS69
May 8th, 2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by FLL
What's the point of looking like an idiot on the court!



If Kournikova doesn't want to look like an idiot on-court perhaps she should give the game away and just concentrate on being a pin-up girl for teenage boys. ;)

juggler
May 8th, 2002, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by SIS69


If Kournikova doesn't want to look like an idiot on-court perhaps she should give the game away and just concentrate on being a pin-up girl for teenage boys. ;)

gee, alot of thought went into that post right there

Harju.
May 8th, 2002, 11:00 AM
:eek: :eek: she lost again!!! well.. i'm not sad... :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
really... i'm not... why??? :sad: :sad:
Not because she lost.. but she is injured.. OO god plz dun let anything happen to her... plizzzz... ANNA.. Wish u the best..
:bounce: :bounce:

Martian Martin
May 8th, 2002, 01:44 PM
Babywhale, I know you came to this message board to take part in discussions, that's what we are all here for, but what I'm saying is I've not seen many posts at all from you for players you like, it's mostly all about Anna. There are a few players that I really don't like, but I see it as pointless in making post after post about them, it's a waste of time, I'd rather spend my time actually cheering for my players and bothering about them, rather than the ones I couldn't care less about.

How have there been more higher ranked players that haven't been given the credit they deserve from various sources? The only player I genuinely believe that has happened to, is Lindsay. Lindsay is someone who I never feel gets the credit she deserves from the media, but that's how she prefers it. Maybe you are referring to players like Justine, Jelena and Kim, well I agree, these players should be getting more attention, and more attention than Anna at the moment. But it's not Anna's fault this is happening, she isn't telling the media, the fans, to follow her every move!. Oh and in case you've somehow forgotten Anna reached number 8 in the world only just over 18 months ago, before the injury struck, in case you've forgotten that.