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cooolconchita
May 7th, 2002, 04:02 PM
there is something about the tour right now that is missing something for me, and i can't quite put my finger on what it is. :confused:

i think it is because for the first time in my life as a tennis fan, i am seeing the new generation of players coming through. i miss conchita being at the top and getting to the semis of tournaments week in week out, i miss the arantxa-steffi duels, i miss the seles of oz 96, i even miss the old warhorses like brenda schultz, sabine, dominique, barbara paulus, anke, jana and naoko sawamatsu. :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

i try and get excited about players like kim and daniela, but just can't currently find a new player who i can say "yeah, THATS who i'm gonna follow for the next 10 years" - know what i mean???

what did the older posters on the board do when they saw a shift in the game, and how did they find a new favourite?

Beige
May 7th, 2002, 04:37 PM
Cool, I know exactly how you feel and my fave (Venus) is a top player! Circa '96 I was on top of the tennis world, in my humble opinion. I knew all the players. I followed EVERY tournament. I could keep track of head-to-head records without assistance. I got as excited about seeing Steffi and Mary as I did Inez Gorrochetegui and Nicole Provis. Then I just slowly started to lose interest in the daily grind of following tennis. I still attend the Us Open every year and enjoy it immensely but I'm not as passionate about following the sport as I used to. Example: I have no idea what Tulyaganova and Hantchova (sp?) look like! If this was '96-'97 (the last time I was really into, I think) I would know everything about Iroda and Daniela. Cool, I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.

Bright Red
May 7th, 2002, 04:46 PM
Well, I'm a newbie who's only recently gotten into the sport of women's tennis. So these are the good old days for me. I always wonder what like will be like once my faves' performance starts to decline, and also when it gets to the point where they are no longer 'competitive'. Honestly, I don't think I will have the patience to stick with the sport. Most likely I'll just find something else to be passionate about.

Thanks for providing a glimpse of what's to come.

Jippo McScally
May 7th, 2002, 04:48 PM
One difference is that in 1996 all the experienced players where around 25-26, and up and coming players where 16-17!
Now experienced are 21 and up and coming players are 16!!!
I mainly miss the contrasts of play! i.e. volleyer, defender!!!!!!

PamShriverRockz
May 7th, 2002, 05:40 PM
I know *exactly* how you feel. I'm the same. I really miss Steffi Graf, and the old Steffi/ASV duels. (and the old Arantxa & Conchi)
:(
You miss seeing the same old names in the draw...Brenda Shultz, Mary Jo, Huber, Van Roost etc. and although I like a lot of the new players coming through, its just not the same. I've been following Arantxa & Steffi since 89 and its been an amazing time - plenty of highs and lows: I just can't imagine following anyone else the same way, particularly Arantxa. Its strange. :confused:

*I feel like I'm getting old*! ;) lol

MLF
May 7th, 2002, 06:07 PM
If you are a genuine fan of the sport you'll always follow it in some way.
My favourite era was the early '90s which were very exciting with some intense rivalries. You had Seles, Graf, Navratilova, Sabatini and Sanchez Vicario battling it out at the top. There were also the exciting prospects on the horizon such as Martinez, Pierce, Huber, Maggie Maleeva, Majoli and Frazier.
I still really love the sport but the likes of Dokic, Henin, Clijsters just don't seem to have that buzz about them for me. You'll always find someone to support though. I was a huge Navratilova fan. As Martina bowed out I was totally behind Seles and Sabatini. I've now still got Monica playing and Mirjana Lucic really had something in her early performances that I hope she can recapture.

DEETHELICK
May 7th, 2002, 06:19 PM
My 3 faves are Arantxa, Jennifer and Elena Dementieva

The oddest thing is that I have hardly seen any classic Arantxa/Jennifer matches. I'm 21 and when I was 14 I saw the Wimby 95 final and I got hooked on Arantxa. I never saw a tennis match after that until French 98 and then French 99. It was from 1999 that I got hooked on tennis!

Like I know nothing about Arantxa's magical year 1994!!! That year must have been the best for her!!! I would love to see some of her matches from that year!

Ditto Jennifer, heard about the US Open 91, but never seen the match! I only liked Capriati from 1999 when she reached US Open 4th round and I thought she seems quite fiesty (like Arantxa!)

Elena Dementieva is the only one of the current crop (maybe Henin too as she has the beautiful ability to do anything she wants with the ball) that I truly support. Her explosive game and power got me hooked, and I feel she is such an underachiever and that there is SO much talent in her!! I know she could be lethal!!

For me, these are the days that are that will be my 'good ol days' its just ironic that two of my faves are from a time that I don't even remember!!

Beige
May 7th, 2002, 06:48 PM
Nice post, Dee, and, yes, these will be YOUR "good 'ol days". :)

Kart
May 7th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by cooolconchita

what did the older posters on the board do when they saw a shift in the game, and how did they find a new favourite?

I'm a fan of veterans and champions who keep going which is why I like Monica, ASV, Conchita etc.

After they retire I'll probably go for Hingis because she's quickly heading that way - which is quite amusing really bearing in mind I couldn't stand her in 1997 !

babsi
May 7th, 2002, 07:41 PM
I miss those days a lot.

Give me Steffi and Anke winning tournies then I will be happy again (Babsi is on the same level now but if these 3 altogether were playing and winning then I would be in absolute heaven!)

I do miss the excitement, even though I first had the internet in 99 I miss the getting excited on knowing who would be playing who (I didn't have drawsheets at all then), waiting anxiously for any results that came either on teletext or the newspaper next day, or occasionally on the radio.

I really do think if Babsi retires my interest in tennis will go down a lot, I went through Steffi retiring in 99, Anke last year and it would just be another blow, but Babsi said last year that she can see herself playing 5 more years.

Give me 96 anyday.

Although 99 wasn't too bad.

Rollo
May 7th, 2002, 07:45 PM
Like Mirjana and Kart, I found other favorites, even those I had disliked in their prime(Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles) became more loved when I realized they wern't going to be with me on TV much longer. Hingis is becoming someone I can cheer for now.
Two years ago that wasn't possible for me.

Double Fault
May 7th, 2002, 08:16 PM
Nevermind the 90s I still miss the 80s. :)

The Evert/Navratilova rivalry. How Evert just couldn't win Wimbledon. She always came up against that wall. That wall was called Miss. Navratilova!. I do miss those Wimbledon finals, laterly the Wimbledon Semi Finals. Then along came a lanky girl with floppy hair and blew the tennis world apart. The emergance of Steffi Graf was somethig else. Once Steffi beat Chris Evert, she (Chris) never won a match against Steffi again. :( However Martina N withstood the new wonder girl, and gave her a good run for her money right up till the end.

I miss the Zina Garrison "wiggle"
I miss Pam Shriver's tantrums.
I miss Andrea Temesvari, just because...just because I do.
I miss Hana Mandlikova and her natural game.

I really miss the days when GB had a player in the Top 5. Jo Durie! Who could forget Virginia Wade? The trooper who just never gave up (especially at her beloved Wimbledon) :)

Good thread.

Jippo McScally
May 7th, 2002, 08:34 PM
I wasnt even alive when most of that happend!!!!! :eek: :p ;)

Double Fault
May 7th, 2002, 08:45 PM
LOL@Jippo. :D That was a low blow! :) :D

Mark43
May 7th, 2002, 11:05 PM
From RolloLike Mirjana and Kart, I found other favorites, even those I had disliked in their prime(Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles) became more loved when I realized they wern't going to be with me on TV much longer. Hingis is becoming someone I can cheer for now.
Two years ago that wasn't possible for me.


Mine sentiments exactly. I mean "my" sentiments exactly!

DEETHELICK
May 8th, 2002, 08:43 AM
Thanks Beige :)

In some ways womens tennis has got just the right blend the veterans (ASV, Monica, Mary and Jennifer in a weird old way), the current champions (Williams x 2, Hingis, Lindsay) and then the up and comers (Clijsters, Henin, Dementieva, Dokic, Hantuchova).

This mix of talent, experience and playing styles is what is making the WTA so much more interesting!

When our veterans retire, we'll have only the current crop and up and comers left!

What will we do without Monica and Arantxa?? These two dominated the early 90's!! (and Graf of course!)

Thats why I just enjoy tennis even more these days, there is so much variety!

wave
May 8th, 2002, 09:11 AM
Cool Conchita!

Exactly my feelings. I hate it when reporters and posters talk about retiring for Arantxa and Monica! What would I do then? Loose interest in womens tennis? Look for a new favourite? I really follow tennis a lot but I can't find a substitute for my two favourites by now. Maybe Daniela Hantuchova, but for me tennis means more than just playing good. It has to do with fighting, character, history... You won't find that (at least I don't) in this juniors, (maybe later on).

Looking back: I first liked to watch mens matches because there I liked Mats Wilander. He was soo great and charming even so he was calm. When he finished playing there was still Agassi, but not the same level. Nowadays I really seldom watch mens tennis. It has become boring for me (Serve, serve, serve, not even volley anymore...) I'm afraid that womens tennis tends do go in the same direction. I think that match style and players change and this it too much for me...Help!!!

irma
May 8th, 2002, 09:48 AM
nope I am over my blues, thanks to great Kimmy and Serena:D

Beige
May 8th, 2002, 11:25 AM
Another player I have no idea what she looks like let alone much about her is Myskina from Russia. :o

I'm so out of the loop that I have to ask:

Are Anne-Gaelle Sidot, Marion Maruska and Nana Miyagi still playing? :o

I also missed the marriages of Asa Carlsson and Maria Vento.

P.S. Why isn't she Asa Carlsson Svensson? ;)

sartrista7
May 8th, 2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Beige
Another player I have no idea what she looks like let alone much about her is Myskina from Russia. :o

I'm so out of the loop that I have to ask:

Are Anne-Gaelle Sidot, Marion Maruska and Nana Miyagi still playing? :o

I also missed the marriages of Asa Carlsson and Maria Vento.

P.S. Why isn't she Asa Carlsson Svensson? ;)

Beige, you're missing a lot... Anastasia's absolutely gorgeous, she's got an amazing classical beauty about her. Sidot is still playing, I think she's been making a comeback this year. I don't think Maruska is, though she's still ranked. Miyagi - I think she's still active in doubles, but I have no idea about singles. And thank god Asa didn't hyphenate her name!

Lol@this thread... these will be my 'good old days', I've only really been following tennis closely (all WTA tournaments, challengers etc.) for about 2 years. But I tend to support up'n'coming players, and none of my faves are remotely close to retiring, so I don't see myself losing interest any time soon.

Volcana
May 8th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Well, my first fave an the reason I took up tennis was Arthur Ashe. Almost all my faves since then have been women.

First BJK, with Evonne Goolagong a somewhat distant 2nd.

Then Martina Navratilova

Then Venus

I was still a fan during the years when none of those players was playing, but, I didn't have an emotional attachment to any of them. And you're right, it was a wierd feeling between Martina and Venus. I loved the sport, but I didn't really care who won.

JonBcn
May 8th, 2002, 06:49 PM
Add me to the list!!

I´m reduced to watching old videos of Arantxa beating Steffi again and again!!

Beige
May 8th, 2002, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the update, Satrista. I'm sure I'll see Myskina (and Iroda and Daniela) at some point but that's the "problem": I don't really care that I haven't seen them. In fact, I don't even know who won that week's tournaments until I buy the paper Monday morning. :o

HEAVYHITTER
May 8th, 2002, 07:18 PM
Hell Naw!

These are the "Good Ole Days"

I remember my older sister watching old tapes of Navratilova and Chris.

Nav always scared me as a kid. I always rooted for Chris. Chris always lost.

Ntosake
May 8th, 2002, 07:53 PM
What DEETHELICK said, somewhat.

I can appreciate the old days, but I don't miss them. I like the mix of things today----- the variety of players and styles, nationalities, rivalries, drama, the power, finesse, athleticism, all of it!

So while I was around to glimpse the old, I am certainly enjoying the new as well. All things in their own season are beautiful, but alas, things change and we move on.:)

saff76ar
May 8th, 2002, 08:07 PM
Count me in, i'll join the club of the ones that miss the Evert/Navratilova, Graf/ASV, Graf/Sabatini duels, the emergence of Monica Seles. Also the elegance of Stefan Edberg's game, Mats Wilander, Ivan Lendl, hell, i even miss Boris Becker.

I have my favs now but it's not the same as in old days.

*Sigh* So many good memories...

rafa
May 9th, 2002, 02:14 AM
pufff, a lot. What a days. It's kind of sad that we didn't have anything as Internet or something like that.

bello
May 9th, 2002, 02:47 AM
GABRIELA SABATINI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY WORLD!!! :(

Ingridy
May 9th, 2002, 02:55 AM
I miss Steffi and Monica's era!!!

SM
May 9th, 2002, 03:03 AM
Monai's resurgance in 98 - the french semis and final- coupled with Jelena's rise was what spurred my interest...so i didn't really get exposed much to the old days, but i thankfully wasnt because the depth these days is miles above what it was back then..

the days when Graf, Seles, Navratilova etc dominated wouldve been really boring!! Todays game just ahs soo much depth and players like Dokic;), Clijsters, Henin, Williams, Hantuchova, Hingis, Seles, Davenport, Serena, Venus, Mauresmo and more would;ve made it impossible for any player including the past champions to dominate :)!!
its so exciting these days when a slam comes around, even in the first round a player like Venus or Hingis can get ousted

Fingon
May 9th, 2002, 03:07 AM
In women's tennis I miss the day that power players were the exception, not the rule, when you could see different styles confronting and a great variety of shots, not blasting the ball as hard as they could.

In relation with favourites, I don't. Gaby and Jana retired but now I have Justine and *cough* Martina, and a few other but they don't win to save their life :(

I do miss the old times a lot in men's tennis. The ATP today, IMO is pure crap. In women's tennis there is some technique left, in men's tennis matches are as boring as you can get, all baseliners with huge serves, or players that run down every ball but don't produce a tennis that is nice to see (Lleyton Hewitt), or we get flooded with overhyped stars that only can hit the ball hard (Andie Roddick).

The ATP had an incredible technical level just a few years ago. With Rafter gone (I hope he comes back) there is nothing left.

I miss the times of Stephan Edberg, Boris Becker, John McEnroe, Gerulaitis, Leconte, Mecir, players that were a pleasure to watch.

The only current ATP player that I can stand watching (I actually like him) is Carlos Moya, but he is so damn inconsistent :mad:

Gandalf
May 9th, 2002, 06:50 AM
Yeah, I miss the old times too.

I miss the style of Gaby, the volleys of Novotna, the drama of the Steffi/ASV duels...and there wasn't so much cockiness in the tour.

Right now, I support Monica, and I like the belgians and Kournikova, but their tennis isn't as exciting...

DEETHELICK
May 9th, 2002, 09:20 AM
One of the big differences between today and then are the GS finals....

Actually even some of the regular tour events aren't as exciting!

For example, ASV defeated Graf 4-6 7-6 7-6 in Hamburg, a regular tour event! Now the tennis in that match must have been spectacular! And what tension!!

The only GS finals recently that have drama and tension are FO 2001 and AO 2002 (involving Jennifer!)

The finals in the past were really about competitiveness, like the FO finals that went to 10-8 in the 3rd, or that classic Wimby final between ASV/Graf!

That sort of tennis isnt aorund anymore, don't get me wrong, I like the power tennis too, but the power players together don't provide the most entertaining matches.

Objectively, Jennifer has been involved in the most dramatic matches recently, Miami 01, Wimby 01 QF, FO 01, AO 02, Miami SF 02 and I think it is her power game of the current Top 10 that I like the most!

I think Graf, Seles and ASV, whenever they played each other, really bought out the best in each other, and add in a Novotna, Martinez or Sabatini, plus Navratilova, it was a mix of so many different styles and variety that it satisfied all types of tennis fans!

But hey, we have to look forward, so lets hope todays tennis players bring us matches that of a high quality, just like the 'good ol' days'! :D

Sam L
May 9th, 2002, 01:21 PM
Yes I miss the early 90's I wish I was seeing Seles, Graf, Sabatini, Navratilova, Sanchez Vicario, Fernendez, Novotna battles again! :sad:

You know this thread makes me feel very old and I'm actually not old, imagine us in 10, 20, 30 years etc.. :eek:

Holden
May 9th, 2002, 02:45 PM
I got into tennis when Sabine Appelmans and Dominique Van Roost were starting to make the quarters of Grand Slams (5 or 6 years ago now). I only really had 2 other faves from that time: Mary-Joe and Monica. Thank God Monica is still around and it was great timing that when Dominique and Sabine retired Justine & Kim were breaking into the top. Kim & Justine, as well as my other fave Patty look like they're gonna be around for quite some time.

PamShriverRockz
May 9th, 2002, 02:59 PM
But hey, we have to look forward, so lets hope todays tennis players bring us matches that of a high quality, just like the 'good ol' days'!

Well, you're right Dee, although it doesn't stop me missing them! ;)
I'll always love tennis, I just don't think I'll ever follow a player as extensively like I have Arantxa.
In a way, it's nice to watch finals now that don't include ASV, as often they would be quite stressful to watch! The Wimbledon 95 final & RG 96 nearly killed me ;) (as much as the tennis was great!)
Seriously, I enjoy tennis now, but I do miss the early 90s. :)