View Full Version : Martina Hingis: Potential ranking disaster?

May 5th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Post-Roland Garros points

1. Venus Williams 4589
2. Monica Seles 3359
3. Lindsay Davenport 3350
4. Jennifer Capriati 3309
5. Serena Williams 3201
6. Kim Clijsters 3185
7. Martina Hingis 2816
8. Jelena Dokic 2609
9. Justine Henin 2552
10. Sandrine Testud 1930
11. Amelie Mauresmo 1451

Martina Hingis plays Rome (probably) and Roland Garros

Jelena Dokic if she survives, plays Berlin, Rome, Strasbourg, and Roland Garros

Justine Henin plays Berlin, Rome, and Roland Garros

Lindsay Davenport should be playing Wimbledon.

What if:

Martina earns 533 points or less combined from Rome and Roland Garros. Certainly a strong possibility, considering she will be the 5th or 6th Roland Garros seed. This would have her ranked behind Lindsay there. Wouldn't matter anyway, because with Wimbledon's grass-oriented seedings, Lindsay would have a bigger edge than that even.

Speaking of grass-oriented seedings, the extra points they give you for grass results are weighted, with last year being the biggest. Last year Martina played only Wimbledon, and lost in the first round. The year before, Quarters, and before that 1st round again. She may have played Eastbourne in 2000 or 1999, but we aren't looking at huge points there.

Jelena Dokic has had considerably better grass results than Martina for the last 3 years. Justine Henin had a HUGE grasscourt season last year.

What does all this mean? Simple. With only 2 points to defend, Wimbledon is Martina's best chance to start rebuilding her ranking. What if she is the 9th seed?

May 5th, 2002, 08:08 PM
Well Martina is still # 1 for the year and with Venus sitting out next week, that will probably remain the case for next week as well, so I dont' see Martina falling too far behind. I do think that it would be a minor disaster if she got a 9th seed at Wimbledon...but more for the people that will have to play her so early. For the French Open, I really didn't see it as that big of a deal as to whether or not she got a top 4 seed because I wouldn't want her playing Monica and she may have had to play Serena as well, so I don't think that it's that big of a deal.

Also, Henin will drop after Wimbledon so Martina wouldn't remain # 9 for long....she's bound to move up, but this ranking dilemma does leave me a little concerned.

May 5th, 2002, 08:11 PM
ptken, I certainly expect Martina to move ahead of Justine after Wimbledon, but the problem is that the damage from a possible 4th round match against (for example) Venus, would already have been done.

Actually, to be more clear, I don't necessarily think Justine will ever be ranked ahead of Martina, but she may get a higher seeding.

May 5th, 2002, 08:41 PM
When will people start to realize that the no1-race you mentioned, ptken, has NOTHING to do with the OFFICIAL ranking as it counts ALL points from ALL events played a year whereas the OFFICIAL ranking only counts the 17 best events a year

If Venus is just points behind Martina in the ranking YOU mentioned, please consider that she is no1 in the official rankings with lots and lots of points ahead and even if Martina adds a number of events this fall to her list her best of 17 result definetly arenīt enough to call her a threat to Venus or Jenn at THIS stage of the season

And you MIX things if you think Serena as a possible top4 seed in Paris as she has nothing to defend in Rome and Berlin and could well meet Martina early in Paris, same as in Wimbledon

Those who ignore the influence of a seeding list only to the fanship of a player ignore the seeding position of the hardest rivals - I donīt Monica as a top5-8 player in Paris, f.e., as this could well be the end for Jennifer Capriati;)

Williams Rulez
May 6th, 2002, 10:47 AM
This ranking disaster could prove even more disasterous because Martina would not have a great seeding, and she might meet Jennifer or Serena or Venus in the quarters or even earlier of slams and other tournaments...

May 6th, 2002, 11:07 AM
I guess it's better for Marti to meet them at the earlier stage coz normally those ladies play poorly at the early rounds. This should be a blessing in disguise for Marti.;):D:angel:

May 6th, 2002, 02:38 PM
it could be a disaster for RG and wimby...

May 6th, 2002, 02:58 PM
And what if... she has to undergo surgery and will not be able to play Rome and RG?!

May 6th, 2002, 05:06 PM
Do you people really think we Marti fans are gonna cry or freak if Martina falls in the rankings. She needs to get her foot healthy and then come back and play healthy. Once she is healthy her ranking will go right back up cuz she is just TOO GOOD. Just like Monica's ranking did and Lindsay's will too. Injuries happen (ankle surgery in the fall and now possible foot surgery) and then players come back and get back into the groove which Martina did pretty well earlier this year after her surgery in the fall. Sorry disposeable but it seems like you are reveling in the possibility of Martina's ranking falling. "Disaster" seems like a way too dramatic word. Serena's ranking fell quite a bit but she was still a threat to everyone and believe me if Martina falls to #9 or something I don't think the top players are gonna enjoy seeing her in the round of 16.

May 6th, 2002, 05:50 PM
well, unless she is REALLY injured, I don't see her staying at #7 THAT long. She's just too good and generally too consistent.

But, the fact remains, if she gets seeded that low for RG or for Wimbledon - Williams-Rulez is right - she's gonna meet Jen Cap or Venus possibly in the quarters, and that IS going to be trouble for her.

May 6th, 2002, 05:54 PM
I'm not revelling in anything, truefreund, but it is clear that it is a lot harder to advance in tournaments when you have poor seedings, and not advancing in tournaments lead to more poor seedings. This is something we have seen recently with Mary Pierce and Anna Kournikova, and it is a problem Martina is also in danger of faciong now, particularly if Berlin is not the only tournament she misses.

May 6th, 2002, 06:23 PM
Well then she will just have to play better and overcome that. That's part of tennis.

May 6th, 2002, 06:37 PM
Ok. Lets say, Martina falls to #7 and gets that seeding for the french(if she can play). Then the top 4 seeds would most likely be Venus, Jen, Kim, Monica. Martina would have a 50% chance of playing either Monica or Kim in the Quarters, which isn't such a bad draw. Jen and Venus only really start showing up for big matches one it reaches the semis, so Martina has a chance either way.

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2002, 12:21 AM
Hey disposable can you tell me what Hingis's ranking would probably be if she pulls out of everything until after the French open? Also if Serena wins Rome, what will she be ranked about?

May 7th, 2002, 12:30 AM
Assuming even slightly subpar results from Jelena and Justine, Martina will likely be 9th after Roland Garros if she doesn't play at all.

Serena's ranking is a tougher question. You didn't specify her Berlin result. Assuming she wins either Berlin or Rome, she will be ranked 3rd or 4th after Rome, depending on Kim's results.

Williams Rulez
May 7th, 2002, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by easy
it could be a disaster for RG and wimby...
Yeah... then that would have an effect on her seedings for most of the year, as they are 2 slams in a row... especially Wimbledon where she is more vunerable to almost any top player when she has a low seeding