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Infiniti2001
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Pak Hindu girls forced to convert to Islam
By: Hasan Mansoor

November 15, 20 05

source: midday.com

When a Hindu girl is converted to Islam, hundreds of extremists belonging to religious parties such as Maulana Fazlur Rehman’s Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam (JUI), take to the streets and chant religious slogans
Karachi: An alarming trend — that of Muslims kidnapping Pakistani Hindu girls and forcing them to convert to Islam — in Pakistan’s Sindh province is forcing the worried resident Hindu community to marry off their daughters as soon as they are of marriageable age or to migrate to India, Canada or other nations.

Recently, at least 19 such abduction cases have occurred in Karachi alone, while several others have been reported in the media.

Sanao Menghwar, a Hindu resident of Karachi’s Punjab Colony, is a traumatised man; all three of his daughters —Aishwarya, Reena and Reema — have been kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam.

In the police complaint that he filed at the behest of the Panchayat after two days of futile searching for his daughters, he stated that when he and his wife returned home from work, they discovered their daughters had gone missing.

The police arrested three Muslim youths in connection with the crime, who were later granted bail by a court because they’re minors. Menghwar’s daughters continue to remain missing.

“Kidnapping Hindu girls like this has become a normal practice. The girls are then forced to sign stamp papers stating that they’ve become Muslims,” says Laljee Menghwar, a member of the Hindu Panchayat in Karachi.

According to him, the Pakistani government needs to examine and put a stop to the social oppression of religious minorities in the country. “Hindus here are too frightened to vent their anger — they fear victimisation. But we have now decided to go public with these cases and demand justice,” Laljee says. Their cause has found support in the Pakistani Christian community, who carried out a demonstration with them in Karachi, protesting against this crime.

Similarly startling incidents have occurred in several districts of Sindh and evoked identical responses. At least six Hindu girls met this fate a few months ago in Jacobabad (a tribal area heavily inhabited by Hindus) and Larkana districts.

Sapna, the daughter of one Seth Giyanchand, was recently taken to a shrine (Amrote in Shikarpur district) by Shamsuddin Dasti. Dasti, a Muslim friend of Sapna’s brother, is a married man and father of two.

Nevertheless, the custodian of the shrine, Maulvi Abdul Aziz lost no time in converting Sapna to Islam (her names was changed to ‘Mehek’) and marrying her to Dasti. The case came to light only when Sapna’s parents stated that their daughter hadn’t eloped but been abducted.

Human rights activists, such as Nuzhat Shirin who belongs to the Aurat Foundation, says that religious extremism is rapidly increasing in Jacobabad and other Sindh districts.

Extremists in turn encourage shrines, which are involved with forced conversions. When a Hindu girl is converted to Islam, hundreds of extremists belonging to religious parties such as Maulana Fazlur Rehman’s Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam (JUI), take to the streets and chant religious slogans.

In Sapna’s case, when she was presented in court with Dasti, extremists showered rose petals on them and loudly chanted religious slogans. The fanaticism was so daunting that Sapna was too frightened to even speak with her own parents who were also present in the courtroom. At that, Maulvi Aziz, who was also standing in the courtroom, was said to have remarked, “How can a Muslim girl live and maintain contact with kafirs (infidels)?”

Sapna’s story sparked widespread demonstrations by the Hindu community. Presidents and mukhis of Panchayats from various towns and districts met in Jacobabad to discuss this serious issue. Activists and leaders from educated segments of society strongly criticised the role of religious leaders, like Maulvi Aziz, in these forced conversion cases.

Still, the threat of victimisation by Muslims is palpable; Shirin says when forced conversion cases make it to court, lawyers themselves avoid taking them up, fearing a backlash from maulvis.

Giyanchand meanwhile has said that he has no other option but to migrate to India — it will be difficult for him to find grooms for his other daughters because of Sapna’s controversial conversion.

And forced conversions are not the only problem that the Hindu minority (there are 2.7 million Hindus in Pakistan; Pakistan’s total population is 140 million) is facing in the country.

A powerful syndicate of bandits and patrons in the northern districts of Sindh regularly kidnap rich Hindus for ransom. They not only kill hostages if the ransom doesn’t arrive on time, they even kill some despite their ransom being paid.

Sadham Chand Chawla, the former president of the Hindu Panchayat, Jacobabad, was abducted and murdered. His killers remain at large despite enormous protests. Following his murder, his family had received several threats until they secretly migrated to India.


This fucking warped thinking is getting out of hand in Pakistan. I will maintain that organized religion is evil :fiery:

SelesFan70
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:56 PM
And yet some people still don't understand the ultimate goal of the Muslims terrorists. I mean, if it's right in front of your face and you still don't get it... :shrug:

Fingon
Dec 29th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Pak Hindu girls forced to convert to Islam
By: Hasan Mansoor

This fucking warped thinking is getting out of hand in Pakistan. I will maintain that organized religion is evil

In Pakistan only? how about nearly all muslim countries with the exception of Turkey and maybe a few others.
How about Saudi Arabia? Iran, UAE, Yemen, Somalia, Indonesia, Malasya, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Chechnya, it really is easier to name the ones that are not like that.
As I said Turkey, maybe Jordan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, and that's probably about it (sorry if I missed some).
It's really laughable when people blame the west for terrorism after seeing what is happening inside muslim countries. If it's alright to kidnap a girl to convert her to islam, why wouldn't it be alright to kill infidels in the name of islam? The medieval thinking in most muslim countries is what is breeding terrorism.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Dec 29th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Radical Islam is a violently expansionist political credo along the lines of Fascism - the evidence mounts but people continue to close their minds.

Infiniti2001
Dec 29th, 2005, 06:43 PM
In Pakistan only? how about nearly all muslim countries with the exception of Turkey and maybe a few others.
How about Saudi Arabia? Iran, UAE, Yemen, Somalia, Indonesia, Malasya, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Chechnya, it really is easier to name the ones that are not like that.
As I said Turkey, maybe Jordan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, and that's probably about it (sorry if I missed some).
It's really laughable when people blame the west for terrorism after seeing what is happening inside muslim countries. If it's alright to kidnap a girl to convert her to islam, why wouldn't it be alright to kill infidels in the name of islam? The medieval thinking in most muslim countries is what is breeding terrorism.

Oh I know it's horrible in these muslim countires , but it's especially worse in Pakistan. Actually we hear more of what's happening there than in any of the other countries, because some people are fed up.

dementieva's fan
Dec 29th, 2005, 07:15 PM
In Pakistan only? how about nearly all muslim countries with the exception of Turkey and maybe a few others.
How about Saudi Arabia? Iran, UAE, Yemen, Somalia, Indonesia, Malasya, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Chechnya, it really is easier to name the ones that are not like that.
As I said Turkey, maybe Jordan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, and that's probably about it (sorry if I missed some).
It's really laughable when people blame the west for terrorism after seeing what is happening inside muslim countries. If it's alright to kidnap a girl to convert her to islam, why wouldn't it be alright to kill infidels in the name of islam? The medieval thinking in most muslim countries is what is breeding terrorism.

India is not a muslim country source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Demographics as you can see more than 80% of indian population are hindus, islam accounts for only 13%. Hindus donot force others to convert infact converting other people to hinduism is not a teaching in hinduism.
In india we live peacefully with our christian, muslim and jewish brothers. :)

Homer & Co
Dec 29th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I wonder how long it will take before Hindu Pakistani scream they want their own independent country, only to discover they started a war which they will probably lose.

Things can be even worse, like in recent years, a lot of Indonesian children (mostly girls) of christian parents were kidnapped by islamitic extremists and had their heads chopped off, probably just because they were or would become christians (8% of Indonesia is christian; 88%, muslim).

Wigglytuff
Dec 29th, 2005, 08:15 PM
wow!!!
with the evil forced conversation of native americans children to Christianity and wholesale slaughter of their parents and other such cases lead by various religions for the past 3000 years it sad and disturbing to see that this kind of thing continues to happen.

:sad: :sad:

JustineTime
Dec 29th, 2005, 09:35 PM
I will maintain that organized religion is evil :fiery:

Yeah, like for instance those organized Pakistani Christians who organized to help the Hindus fight against this Islamo-fascist terrorism and seek justice! :rolleyes: Kinda flies in the face of the whole "intolerant" label so glibly being affixed to Christians by those on the left, don't it? :tape:

Tenisci
Dec 29th, 2005, 09:44 PM
In Turkey, Everyone is free to commit which religion. We have Mosques, Churchs and Sinagods enough. In Saint Antuan Church, everything is in 4 languages. These languages are Italian, Polish, German and English

hingis-seles
Dec 29th, 2005, 10:21 PM
India is not a muslim country source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Demographics as you can see more than 80% of indian population are hindus, islam accounts for only 13%. Hindus donot force others to convert infact converting other people to hinduism is not a teaching in hinduism.
In india we live peacefully with our christian, muslim and jewish brothers. :)

India is not a muslim country, like you said. However, it does have a larger Muslim population than Pakistan does.

I'll have to disagree with your last statement. The Muslims in Gujrat have suffered greatly in recent years because of their religious identity.

hingis-seles
Dec 29th, 2005, 10:24 PM
*sigh* This is so disgusting. I'm actually ashamed that, despite being a citizen of Karachi, this is the first I have heard of this. I guess it's true that the elite, educated members of society are self-absorbed and caught up in their own world.

The root of this problem is a lack of education. All these Maulvi's are uneducated. It's sickening how they're going against the fundamentals of Islam.

tennisbum79
Dec 29th, 2005, 10:36 PM
I wonder what role plays the long standing animosity and hostility between Indians and Paskistanis in this incident.

hablo
Dec 29th, 2005, 10:42 PM
very frightning! :sad:

LeRoy.
Dec 30th, 2005, 12:15 AM
I don't think India is a muslim country and apart from riots here and there its far more peaceful and secular than Pakistan , jmo :)

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 30th, 2005, 12:20 AM
*sigh* This is so disgusting. I'm actually ashamed that, despite being a citizen of Karachi, this is the first I have heard of this. I guess it's true that the elite, educated members of society are self-absorbed and caught up in their own world.

The root of this problem is a lack of education. All these Maulvi's are uneducated. It's sickening how they're going against the fundamentals of Islam.

The thing is most of the Muslim world is 100 years or more behind the Christian world in taking a liberal approach to their religion - i.e. understanding it in a way that is consistent with science, liberal ideas of civil liberties, and modernity in general. This is not something particularly inherent to Islam, but more a matter of historical factors. Obviously people like you and sevenseas are liberal Muslims, and you evidently live within liberal milieux within your cultures, just as there are many liberal Christians and most Christian cultures are relatively liberal these days (though there are exceptions).

Economic advancement and education are the answers.

Of course, I don't believe in God at all. But I have no real problem with liberal believers like you and a long list of others here.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 30th, 2005, 12:26 AM
^And I add that military action is not the answer. People like the current US administration don't understand what they are doing. The invasion of Afghanistan in response to something very like a military attack with the tacit support of the Taliban was supportable IMHO: it had a limited and legitimate military objective. The invasion of Iraq was madness.

dementieva's fan
Dec 30th, 2005, 12:31 AM
India is not a muslim country, like you said. However, it does have a larger Muslim population than Pakistan does.

I'll have to disagree with your last statement. The Muslims in Gujrat have suffered greatly in recent years because of their religious identity.

What I said was muslims in India are in minority, only 12%.
Also of those 12% there are very few muslim radicals in India... very few, most muslim here are either moderates or progressive and majority of those radicals are sitting on the Indo-Pak border planing on which Indian city to attack next :rolleyes: Anyways what I wanted to say in my previous post was India doesnt fall in the same catagory as Saudi Arabia, Iraq and the gang.

Yes, what happened in Gujrat was a shame, but even the hindus and christians were affected by it. Its a shame what started of as a seemingly regular accident turned in such a riot fueled by terrorist organisations such as the ISI.

Please dont take the following paragraph as an insult or flame but since you brought up muslim rights in India lemme tell you something; we have had presidents who were Muslims, even though 88 % population is non muslim. Our current Prime Minister belongs to a minority (sikh ratio of 2% of population) we have prominent leaders who are christians, sports teams of our nation have people of a variety of religeons; have a look at our Hockey team, Cricket team and soccer team (even though it sucks). I could cite many such examples here and you know it.Unlike Pakistan we are Secular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular). We are a democracy unlike Pakistan which is under dictatorship .How many influential people in Pakistan are non-Muslims? Can Pakistan ever have a Non-Muslim president? I dont think so. Again don't take it as an insult :) .