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BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:24 PM
I just found out the shocking truth :eek: :bolt:

http://www.bathroomgirls.com/election/laura_bush.gif

drake3781
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Laura Bush was involved in a fatal automobile accident in her youth. Is this what you are referring to?

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:33 PM
I just found out the shocking truth :eek: :bolt:

http://www.bathroomgirls.com/election/laura_bush.gif

yeah i found out about this some time ago. killing people is not cool no matter how her supporters spin it.

killing people is bad mmmk.

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Laura Bush was involved in a fatal automobile accident in her youth. Is this what you are referring to?
She killed Michael Douglas :eek:

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush

In May 2000, a two-page police report about a fatal car crash caused by Bush when she was 17 was made public. The report says that on November 6, 1963 Bush (then Laura Welch) was driving her Chevrolet sedan with her classmate Judy Dyke. It was shortly after 8 pm on a clear night when Welch entered the intersection of U.S. Highway 349 and Texas Farm Road 868. Bush failed to observe the intersection's stop sign and collided with a Chevrolet Corvair sedan driven by her ex-boyfriend Michael Dutton Douglas, also 17. Bush and Dyke sustained minor injuries; Douglas was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. Welch was not ticketed or charged in connection with the collision. :confused:

:eek:

Helen Lawson
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:37 PM
It was a car accident, you bozos, people kill others in car accidents every day and are not charged criminally, because unless you're drunk or driving like an insane person, it's not a criminal offense. Anyone can kill someone else in a car accident, that's why it's an "accident."

drake3781
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:41 PM
To be clear, I am not taking ANY position on whether she was at fault or not or should have been charged or not.

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:41 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush

In May 2000, a two-page police report about a fatal car crash caused by Bush when she was 17 was made public. The report says that on November 6, 1963 Bush (then Laura Welch) was driving her Chevrolet sedan with her classmate Judy Dyke. It was shortly after 8 pm on a clear night when Welch entered the intersection of U.S. Highway 349 and Texas Farm Road 868. Bush failed to observe the intersection's stop sign and collided with a Chevrolet Corvair sedan driven by her ex-boyfriend Michael Dutton Douglas, also 17. Bush and Dyke sustained minor injuries; Douglas was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. Welch was not ticketed or charged in connection with the collision.

:eek:

Even back then , privildged people not only get away with traffic violation, but also with murder.

If this been a Hilary foible violation, it would be ll over on right wing talkshows and bloggs.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:43 PM
it happened 16 days before the JFK killing in Dallas :eek:

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:44 PM
If this been a Hilary foible violation, it would be ll over on right wing talkshows and bloggs.
I can imagine what Bill O'Reilly would say if this was Hillary :eek::scared:

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:44 PM
It was a car accident, you bozos, people kill others in car accidents every day and are not charged criminally, because unless you're drunk or driving like an insane person, it's not a criminal offense. Anyone can kill someone else in a car accident, that's why it's an "accident."

I am sorry, ordinary people get charged if traffic violation is involved.
It is qualiffied as reckless driving to endanger ....
Even drunk drivers get charged.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Dear Helen Lawson what were you doing on that fatal 22 november 1963?
I wasn't still born.....

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I can imagine what Bill O'Reilly would say if this was Hillary :eek::scared:
I think Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savige would make more out if than Bill O'Reilly.

Helen Lawson
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I am sorry, ordinary people get charged if traffic violation is involved.
It is qualiffied as reckless driving to endange ....
Even drunk drivers get charged.

Running a stop sign is not usually reckless. And I said if you're drunk, you go to jail if someone dies. Ordinary people do NOT get charged criminally (a speeding ticket is not the same as a criminal offense) unless they are drunk, or driving recklessly. Running a stop sign is usually not reckless enough to merit charges. Now if they're going like 80 mph through the stop sign, that's another matter. But a normal traffic violation that kills someone else does NOT land you in jail or facing criminal charges. It happens every day. Don't talk about something you obviously know nothing about.

Helen Lawson
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Dear Helen Lawson what were you doing on that fatal 22 november 1963?
I wasn't still born.....

I was getting drunk with Floyd at the ranch. And not driving afterwards!

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Running a stop sign is not usually reckless.

:smash:

i didnt quote the rest because i didnt read it. i can only take but so much craziness in one post.

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:56 PM
..., or driving recklessly. Running a stop sign is usually not reckless enough to merit charges. Now if they're going like 80 mph through the stop sign, that's another matter. ...
:speakles:

There must have been some speed in her car because 17-year-old Michael Douglas in other car (Chevrolet Corvair Sedan) died :sad:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4680/michaelduttondouglas3pl.jpg

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:56 PM
I was getting drunk with Floyd at the ranch. And not driving afterwards!
:)
ty,dear.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Running a stop sign is not usually reckless. And I said if you're drunk, you go to jail if someone dies. Ordinary people do NOT get charged criminally (a speeding ticket is not the same as a criminal offense) unless they are drunk, or driving recklessly. Running a stop sign is usually not reckless enough to merit charges. Now if they're going like 80 mph through the stop sign, that's another matter. But a normal traffic violation that kills someone else does NOT land you in jail or facing criminal charges. It happens every day. Don't talk about something you obviously know nothing about.

I suppose Helen is right.
Any American lawyer there to discuss this?

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:59 PM
There used to be quite a few links on the Internet about this incident but most have been taken off due to political considerations. It was reported in one that she was running over 50 MPH in a 30 MPH zone and that it was the only stop sign in town (which means that she had to know that she had to stop there but did not do so willfully). Another link reported that she was angry at her former boyfriend and was previously quoted as saying "I'm going to get him". Not one report indicated that there were skid marks meaning that she did not attempt to brake.

Had it been Hillary the matter would be a daily discussion on radio/TV. In fact we still frequently get links posted on the Internet by right wingers about Edward Kennedy and his accident though we never get any similar reports about Republican Bill Janklow and his drunken road range that resulted in a fatality.

But it should always be remembered that Republicans can get away with anything.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 08:59 PM
:speakles:

There must have been some speed in her car because 17-year-old Michael Douglas in other car (Chevrolet Corvair Sedan) died :sad:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4680/michaelduttondouglas3pl.jpg

poor boy :sad:

Helen Lawson
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:00 PM
:smash:

i didnt quote the rest because i didnt read it. i can only take but so much craziness in one post.

That's why most people have you on ignore, dear, and why I get like 10 good reps after I slam you in a thread.

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Running a stop sign is usually not reckless .

I do not think you are right.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:03 PM
I do not think you are right.

but for example one can be absent-minded for 5 seconds.....

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:04 PM
That's why most people have you on ignore, dear, and why I get like 10 good reps after I slam you in a thread.
You just got one bad rep from here :fiery:

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:04 PM
There used to be quite a few links on the Internet about this incident but most have been taken off due to political considerations. It was reported in one that she was running over 50 MPH in a 30 MPH zone and that it was the only stop sign in town (which means that she had to know that she had to stop there but did not do so willfully). Another link reported that she was angry at her former boyfriend and was previously quoted as saying "I'm going to get him". Not one report indicated that there were skid marks meaning that she did not attempt to brake.

Had it been Hillary the matter would be a daily discussion on radio/TV. In fact we still frequently get links posted on the Internet by right wingers about Edward Kennedy and his accident though we never get any similar reports about Republican Bill Janklow and his drunken road range that resulted in a fatality.

But it should always be remembered that Republicans can get away with anything.

Kennedy's accident is disussed all the time in Massachusetts by local right wing talkshow hosts.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:05 PM
There used to be quite a few links on the Internet about this incident but most have been taken off due to political considerations. It was reported in one that she was running over 50 MPH in a 30 MPH zone and that it was the only stop sign in town (which means that she had to know that she had to stop there but did not do so willfully). Another link reported that she was angry at her former boyfriend and was previously quoted as saying "I'm going to get him". Not one report indicated that there were skid marks meaning that she did not attempt to brake.


according to those links Laura is an assassin...... :rolleyes:

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:05 PM
but for example one can be absent-minded for 5 seconds.....
I do not think the police go into those conisderation with ordinary people.

Helen Lawson
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:06 PM
You just got one bad rep from here :fiery:

Well, hon, it's been about 5 minutes, and I'm 3-1 in favor of good reps.

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Running a stop sign usually results in a conviction for misdemeanor vehicle manslaughter. Of course, Laura Welch was not charged with anything even though it was the only stop sign in town.

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:07 PM
but for example one can be absent-minded for 5 seconds.....
That's true, I'm not saying she should be imprisoned for this(:scratch: ) but she should have lost her driver's licence for years :mad:

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:08 PM
Well, hon, it's been about 5 minutes, and I'm 3-1 in favor of good reps.
:lol:

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:08 PM
That's why most people have you on ignore, dear, and why I get like 10 good reps after I slam you in a thread.
:yawn:

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Well, hon, it's been about 5 minutes, and I'm 3-1 in favor of good reps.
You are also a liar ;)

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:09 PM
That's true, I'm not saying she should be imprisoned for this(:scratch: ) but she should have lost her driver's licence for years :mad:
that's right!

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Kennedy's accident is disussed all the time in Massachusetts by local right wing talkshow hosts.


But Bill Janklow's case is never discussed here even though he was far more culpable.

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Kennedy's accident is disussed all the time in Massachusetts by local right wing talkshow hosts.


But Bill Janklow's case is never discussed here even though he was far more culpable.

Beause right wing leaning people dominate radio talkshows.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:12 PM
You are also a liar ;)

dear, she is the mouth of truth..... :D ;)

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:15 PM
obviously Laura is not a real celebrity (at least in europe she is almost unknown)
Kennedy family members are worldwide stars......

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:15 PM
Running a stop sign usually results in a conviction for misdemeanor vehicle manslaughter. Of course, Laura Welch was not charged with anything even though it was the only stop sign in town.

thats because in spite of what some people think running stop signs is bad :sad:

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051227/APN/512270616&cachetime=3&template=dateline

http://www.nbc4i.com/news/5673815/detail.html
The 13-year-old, Christopher Barnard, was among five of Dawn Barnard's children who were on their way to their grandfather's house for Christmas when the crash occurred.
"I talked to Mom on the phone. She didn't sound too good," said Timothy Barnard, who was also in the car. "We were driving and the car ran a stop sign and hit us head-on."

Berkeley County officials identify brothers killed in wreck


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051227/APN/512270616&cachetime=3&template=dateline
The Associated Press

December 27, 2005

Three brothers killed in a wreck have been identified by Berkeley County authorities.

Javier Lara, 27; Marcos Lara, 20; and Jose Antonio Lara, 18, all of Summerville, died in the wreck Saturday, Coroner Glenn Rhoad said.

A pickup truck Javier Lara was driving went through a stop sign on U.S. Highway 176 and collided with a pickup truck driven by a Moncks Corner couple, Rhoad said.

Paul Jeffrey Trembath, 51, and Marjorie Trembath, 52, were expected to recover from their injuries.

A cousin traveling with the Laras was being treated at the Medical University of South Carolina hospital in Charleston on Tuesday. His name was not available


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just from doing a google news search with the words: stop sign

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:17 PM
right wing leaning people dominate radio talkshows


That's the scourge of America. Radio hasn't been this biased since the days of Dr Goebbels and his Third Reich propaganda machine.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:19 PM
thats because in spite of what some people think running stop signs is bad :sad:

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051227/APN/512270616&cachetime=3&template=dateline

http://www.nbc4i.com/news/5673815/detail.html
The 13-year-old, Christopher Barnard, was among five of Dawn Barnard's children who were on their way to their grandfather's house for Christmas when the crash occurred.
"I talked to Mom on the phone. She didn't sound too good," said Timothy Barnard, who was also in the car. "We were driving and the car ran a stop sign and hit us head-on."

Berkeley County officials identify brothers killed in wreck


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051227/APN/512270616&cachetime=3&template=dateline
The Associated Press

December 27, 2005

Three brothers killed in a wreck have been identified by Berkeley County authorities.

Javier Lara, 27; Marcos Lara, 20; and Jose Antonio Lara, 18, all of Summerville, died in the wreck Saturday, Coroner Glenn Rhoad said.

A pickup truck Javier Lara was driving went through a stop sign on U.S. Highway 176 and collided with a pickup truck driven by a Moncks Corner couple, Rhoad said.

Paul Jeffrey Trembath, 51, and Marjorie Trembath, 52, were expected to recover from their injuries.

A cousin traveling with the Laras was being treated at the Medical University of South Carolina hospital in Charleston on Tuesday. His name was not available


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just from doing a google news search with the words: stop sign
:worship:
obviously running a stop sign is terribly AWFUL, we are discussing the legal consequences, based on how was the condition of the driver who committed that ......

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:22 PM
....we need a lawyer...... ;)

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Kennedy family members are worldwide stars......
I only know the ones that were murdered + JFK's widow + the guy who died in a flying accident + Ed Kennedy.. is he a senator or what?

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:25 PM
obviously running a stop sign is terribly AWFUL, we are discussing the legal consequences, based on how was the condition of the driver who committed that ......
i know that YOU and indeed most people are humane enough to understand this. i was addressing the claim that " Originally Posted by Helen Lawson
Running a stop sign is not usually reckless" . which is crazy. running a stop sign is the very definition of reckless. particularly if one is going fast enough to kill someone inside of another car. :sad:

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:26 PM
....we need a lawyer...... ;)
lol :lol: i know one but i lost her number. :banghead:

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:28 PM
i know that YOU and indeed most people are humane enough to understand this. i was addressing the claim that " Originally Posted by Helen Lawson
Running a stop sign is not usually reckless" . which is crazy. running a stop sign is the very definition of reckless. particularly if one is going fast enough to kill someone inside of another car. :sad:
And how can one not see a stop sign??? At least in Finland they are huge and red... was it really the only stop sign in town? :eek:

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:29 PM
i know that YOU and indeed most people are humane enough to understand this. i was addressing the claim that " Originally Posted by Helen Lawson
Running a stop sign is not usually reckless" . which is crazy. running a stop sign is the very definition of reckless. particularly if one is going fast enough to kill someone inside of another car. :sad:

clearly running a stop sign might have horrible effects :sad:

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:29 PM
I only know the ones that were murdered + JFK's widow + the guy who died in flying accident + Ed Kennedy.. is he a senator or what?
Ted or Ed Kennedy is the Senior Senator from Massachussets.

A number of Kennedys have died in tragic deaths
Accidents( John JR and a cousing of his in ski accident) shouting ( both JFK and RFK), drugs overdose some( more sons of RFK)

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:31 PM
And how can one not see a stop sign??? At least in Finland they are huge and red... was it really the only stop sign in town? :eek:

they are not small here. you can see them from far away. but they are not lit either so i dont know what the weather conditions were that day.
:o :confused:

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:33 PM
And how can one not see a stop sign???

here is how: you are driving your car and you are near a stop sign, all at once you see a Brad Pitt-like wonderful man walking on the street- you turn your head to watch him-you keep turning, turning, turning, turning ........BANG!PATAPUM!

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:34 PM
they are not small here. you can see them from far away. but they are not lit either so i dont know what the weather conditions were that day.
:o :confused:
It was shortly after 8 pm on a clear night...

If it was the only stop sign in town she should have known it anyway.

tennislover
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:42 PM
It was shortly after 8 pm on a clear night...

If it was the only stop sign in town she should have known it anyway.

maybe her classmate wanted to kiss Laura, who knows?

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:44 PM
maybe her classmate wanted to kiss Laura, who knows?
:hehehe: I wonder if dubya knows... :hehehe:

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:49 PM
:hehehe: I wonder if dubya knows... :hehehe:
:hehehe:



:topic:
tennis lover did you see the worlds cutest baby. i almost called it pic of the day. but i decided to be nice to you :kiss:

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Yup - it was the only stop sign in town. She knew it was there and the unhappy event was spoken of as a homicide in those days.

I'm not a lawyer but I do have a law degree. There is no Federal law with regard to stop signs. It is up to the states to regulate traffic matters except in Federal or Inter-state highways. Stop signs are large and highly visible. Laura Welch knew it was there and her friend was with her in the car that night and screamed for her to stop which she did not do giving further creedence to the fact that it was intentional. It was reported that her friend went hysterical thereafter.

But remember - Republicans can get away with anything.

Wigglytuff
Dec 27th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Yup - it was the only stop sign in town. She knew it was there and the unhappy event was spoken of as a homicide in those days.

I'm not a lawyer but I do have a law degree. There is no Federal law with regard to stop signs. It is up to the states to regulate traffic matters except in Federal or Inter-state highways. Stop signs are large and highly visible. Laura Welch knew it was there and her friend was with her in the car that night and screamed for her to stop which she did not do giving further creedence to the fact that it was intentional. It was reported that her friend went hysterical thereafter.

But remember - Republicans can get away with anything.
opps wrong smiley. :eek: :eek: :eek: thats what i meant

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Yup - it was the only stop sign in town. She knew it was there and the unhappy event was spoken of as a homicide in those days.

Was her family of some influence in the town?
Influencial people's sons and daughters do not usually get charged for this.
The police or DA discretionary power always works in their advantage

But remember - Republicans can get away with anything.

Actually, to be fair we don't know if she was republican then. Or do we?
When southern segragationist democrats were still dominating the south, it would have been the same had one of their son or daughter been involved in similar accident.
But today, Republicans tend to get away with more than democrats.
Apprently, they do not want their sonw or daughters to loft themselves by
theri bootstraps, thry only wish it for others

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Laura Welch's family were wealthy from the housing construction industry and are Republicans. They were the wealthiest family in town and escaped all liability in that case. She hit her victim's car so hard that he was thrown out of it and his neck was broken immediately. Therefore, it makes me wonder if she was not going at 80 MPH or more as was alleged at that time.

tennisbum79
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Laura Welch's family were wealthy from the housing construction industry and are Republicans. They were the wealthiest family in town and escaped all liability in that case. She hit her victim's car so hard that he was thrown out of it and his neck was broken immediately. Therefore, it makes me wonder if she was not going at 80 MPH or more as was alleged at that time.
OK.
I did not know these details about her backgtound and the circumstances aurrounding the accident. Shw should certainly have been charged for something. But as i said before, discretionaly power is always used in the rich and powerful advantage

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Laura Welch's family were wealthy from the housing construction industry and are Republicans. They were the wealthiest family in town and escaped all liability in that case. She hit her victim's car so hard that he was thrown out of it and his neck was broken immediately. Therefore, it makes me wonder if she was not going at 80 MPH or more as was alleged at that time.
Sounds like a murder :eek: But how could she have planned it? And why? It's seems too much of a coincidence.

I've hated dubya over 5 years and only now I hear this :confused: :tape:

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:29 PM
As I mentioned before, there used to be numerous links about it in the Internet, most of which have now been suppressed.

Coincidence?

Then how do you explain that her best friend was sitting next to her and screaming for her to stop but she refused?

BUBI
Dec 27th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Is there official police reports that say so? Was there other witnesses?
Why would a young woman murder her ex-boyfriend? :sad:

wta_zuperfann
Dec 27th, 2005, 11:05 PM
Police reports cannot be publicly disclosed because under Texas law at that time Laura Welch was 17 and she was protected under the state's juvenile laws. The laws do not void charges, only that they mitigate them so that she could have been charged with some form of violation. I do not recall from past readings whether there were other witnesses.

As for her motivation, Republican blood lust knows no end. Just look at what her husband has done in Iraq and what his grandfather did by supporting Hitler's war machine.

tennislover
Dec 28th, 2005, 01:08 PM
tennis lover did you see the worlds cutest baby. i almost called it pic of the day. but i decided to be nice to you :kiss:

done.

:awww: :kiss: that's very kind of you :kiss: :awww:

Helen Lawson
Dec 28th, 2005, 01:19 PM
7-2

tennislover
Dec 28th, 2005, 01:22 PM
7-2

:haha:

SelesFan70
Dec 28th, 2005, 02:39 PM
7-2

8-2 (at least) ;)

JustineTime
Dec 28th, 2005, 11:59 PM
As I mentioned before, there used to be numerous links about it in the Internet, most of which have now been suppressed.

And you guys call me paranoid & crazy! :tape: :rolleyes:

In May 2000, a two-page police report pertaining to a fatal accident that had taken place near Midland, Texas, in 1963 was made public. It http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/laura.jpg contained the information that 17-year-old Laura Welch had run a stop sign, causing the death of the sole occupant of the vehicle hers had struck. According to that report, the future First Lady had been driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on 6 November 1963 when she entered an intersection without heeding the stop sign and there collided with the Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas. Also in the car with Laura Welch was a passenger, 17-year-old Judy Dykes.

How fast Miss Welch might have been driving is open to question. That part of the police report is illegible, although two biographies of the First Lady refer to her as having been going 50 mph at the time of the collision. The speed limit on that portion of road was 55 mph. According to the police report neither driver had been drinking, but no tests were performed. No charges were filed as a result of the accident.

News accounts from 1963 reported the young man as having been thrown from his car and dying of a broken neck; he was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. According to various biographies of Mrs. Bush, the boy's father had been travelling in a car immediately behind his son's and witnessed the whole thing.

The two teen girls were taken to the same hospital and treated for minor injuries that amounted to bumps and bruises.

Michael Douglas, the young man who was killed, had been a member of Laura Welch's crowd at high school and her friend. He had been a star athlete, excelling in track and football, and was looked up to by his peers not just for his athlete prowess, but for his personality and intelligence too. By all reports, he was likeable, outgoing, and funny. He was nominated as the school's most popular boy while a junior, an honor that almost always went to a senior.

There has always been speculation about the nature of his relationship with Laura Welch. One rumor asserts the two had never dated, but that Laura had been romantically interested in him. Another claims he had been Laura's boyfriend when he died, and another that he had once been her boyfriend but the couple had subsequently broken up. (The latter theory is advanced in the 2002 biography of the Bushes, George and Laura: Portrait of an American Marriage, which states Laura Welch and Michael Douglas had dated throughout early and mid-1963, but by the fall of that year Michael was going out with Regan Gammon, one of Miss Welch's closest friends.)

The accident is difficult to understand it that it took place on a clear night on dry pavement at a crossroads described as "the middle of nowhere," where the view was unobstructed and the stop sign that faced Laura Welch was clearly visible. (The intersection was a two-way, not a four-way, stop.) Yet looking to only weather and road conditions to explain what happened is to miss the obvious: there were two teen girls in the car, girls who were on their way to a party and thus who likely would have been bubbling over with chatter about who would be there. Laura Welch, the driver, had turned 17 only two days earlier. She and her passenger were still of an age when they could all too easily shut out everything going on around them, even the approach of another car and the recognition of a stop sign.

There are those who want to believe the future First Lady deliberately and with malice aforethought murdered her (ex-)boyfriend over some now forgotten teen tiff and who point to what they view as the suspicious circumstances of the accident and the subsequent lack of prosecution as proofs of their supposition. Yet to entertain such a hypothesis is to believe the young woman would have attempted to kill another by doing away with herself. (As the driver of what was intended to be a murder weapon, she would have had no reason to believe she would survive a collision severe enough to be fatal to her prey — that events turned out that way doesn't mean that outcome could have been reasonably foreseen.) Although the theory of "I'll kill you even though I have to kill myself to do it" might still play in a person sufficiently vengeance-minded (e.g., a suicide bomber), it is far better discounted in cases where an innocent life would also be taken (e.g., a passenger in the car). Those intent upon acts of revenge are generally impelled by a misguided sense of justice, and there is precious little justice (misguided or otherwise) in causing the death of innocent parties.

Then there are the circumstances of the crash. It was 8 pm on a November night in Texas on roads far removed from any town, so it was dark. With no stop sign facing him, the doomed young man would have had no reason to slow his vehicle even if he had seen another car approaching the intersection. He therefore would have been travelling at least 50 mph. Laura Welch ran the stop sign facing her, so there is reason to assume she too was going approximately 50 mph, the speed she would have been doing if she'd had the right of way.

Consider two cars travelling in the dark at right angles to each other, each going approximately 50 mph. The span of time available in which to form murderous intent would have amounted to mere seconds, given the speed at which the event was unfolding and how close the two vehicles had to be to one another before the ill-intentioned would recognize the vehicle of her target. It doesn't add up.

One e-mailed version of the rumor tries to supply an answer to that inconsistency, saying, "She knew it was her boyfriend's car driving south, because of the unique headlight configuration of his 1962 Corvair Sedan." The vehicles were traveling at right angles to one another, so an unusual headlight array on one wouldn't have been visible to the other. (According to the experts, the headlight array on the 1962 Corvair was typical of the cars of the day; two headlights on each side, as this photo (http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B11088.jpg) shows.)

So 17-year-old Laura Welch did cause the death of a friend by running a stop sign, but to see more in the story than that is to surrender oneself up to baseless imaginings. Yes, it is always easier to attribute malice to bad outcomes, but that does not mean malice is an integral component of tragedy, especially those involving people Fate later chooses to exalt.

According to George and Laura: Portrait of an American Marriage, Laura Welch did not find out that the driver of the other vehicle had died at the scene until later when she and her girlfriend were being treated at the hospital. And she did not learn his identity until later still, when her parents arrived and broke the news to her. It shattered her.

She was barely 17 and she had taken the life of a friend. She has since carried the weight of this, and it changed her, at least according to those who knew her before and after. Only rarely has she spoken of this with the press (although she has often been asked), but even on those occasions her answers have been oblique, almost as if she cannot bear to think of it, let alone speak of it.

I got 3960 hits for ' "Laura Bush", car accident, ex'boyfriend'. Heck, I didn't even properly hyphenate "ex-boyfriend". No one's suppressing anything. :rolleyes:

Ryan
Dec 29th, 2005, 01:45 AM
It was a car accident, you bozos, people kill others in car accidents every day and are not charged criminally, because unless you're drunk or driving like an insane person, it's not a criminal offense. Anyone can kill someone else in a car accident, that's why it's an "accident."


It's not an "accident" to just NOT STOP at a stop sign. I don't know everything about the case though, but from the blurb posted it's not like she had no fault in it.

wta_zuperfann
Dec 29th, 2005, 02:55 AM
paranoid & crazy!


You said it, not me.

Your post doesn't seem to have a grasp as to whether Welch and Douglas were ever romantically linked even though their romantic history has been well established. It shows how knoweldgeable its author really is (and isn't).

spartanfan
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:06 PM
In the State of Georgia an ORDINARY citizen would have been charded with running a stop sign and Vehicular Homicide, even though it was "just an accident"

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:08 PM
7-2
I'm 0-3 but I don't care :lol:

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:27 PM
I'm 0-3 but I don't care :lol:
1-3 now ;)

Helen Lawson
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:53 PM
11-2

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:00 PM
11-2
Liar! Post a screen shot. I think you are a liar.

Helen Lawson
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Liar! Post a screen shot. I think you are a liar.

What I think of you I can't post here without getting suspended. I don't know how to post a screen shot. I'm not posting the names in case they don't want to be known. If you think I'm lying, well, that's just too damn bad.

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:15 PM
What I think of you I can't post here without getting suspended. I don't know how to post a screen shot. I'm not posting the names in case they don't want to be known. If you think I'm lying, well, that's just too damn bad.
Liar. Just like I said.

Helen Lawson
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:18 PM
Liar. Just like I said.

Why don't you pm me and ask me what I think of you? I dare you.

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Why don't you pm me and ask me what I think of you? I dare you.
I just did. This time, please be honest :)

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:21 PM
1-4

Still waiting for PM.

Helen Lawson
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:32 PM
You just got it.

BUBI
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:33 PM
You just got it.
lol. must edit this :D

alfajeffster
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:43 PM
To be clear, I am not taking ANY position on whether she was at fault or not or should have been charged or not.

Maybe we could call Mary Jo Kopechne's family to help us make up our mind. I'm quite sure the car with the full tank of gas won this one. Hell, Ralph Nader launched an entire career from the incident.

Helen Lawson
Dec 29th, 2005, 04:59 PM
It just skyrocketed to 21-2, but I can't take credit, I think the last 10 were creep and his 9 other user names! I guess before the day is over, if creep gets his way it'll be about 35-2. But Helen's an honest dame, so she won't count those.

Sally Struthers
Dec 29th, 2005, 05:12 PM
sally's red button has been busy lately :o

tennislover
Dec 29th, 2005, 07:52 PM
And you guys call me paranoid & crazy! :tape: :rolleyes:

In May 2000, a two-page police report pertaining to a fatal accident that had taken place near Midland, Texas, in 1963 was made public. It http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/laura.jpg contained the information that 17-year-old Laura Welch had run a stop sign, causing the death of the sole occupant of the vehicle hers had struck. According to that report, the future First Lady had been driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on 6 November 1963 when she entered an intersection without heeding the stop sign and there collided with the Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas. Also in the car with Laura Welch was a passenger, 17-year-old Judy Dykes.

How fast Miss Welch might have been driving is open to question. That part of the police report is illegible, although two biographies of the First Lady refer to her as having been going 50 mph at the time of the collision. The speed limit on that portion of road was 55 mph. According to the police report neither driver had been drinking, but no tests were performed. No charges were filed as a result of the accident.

News accounts from 1963 reported the young man as having been thrown from his car and dying of a broken neck; he was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. According to various biographies of Mrs. Bush, the boy's father had been travelling in a car immediately behind his son's and witnessed the whole thing.

The two teen girls were taken to the same hospital and treated for minor injuries that amounted to bumps and bruises.

Michael Douglas, the young man who was killed, had been a member of Laura Welch's crowd at high school and her friend. He had been a star athlete, excelling in track and football, and was looked up to by his peers not just for his athlete prowess, but for his personality and intelligence too. By all reports, he was likeable, outgoing, and funny. He was nominated as the school's most popular boy while a junior, an honor that almost always went to a senior.

There has always been speculation about the nature of his relationship with Laura Welch. One rumor asserts the two had never dated, but that Laura had been romantically interested in him. Another claims he had been Laura's boyfriend when he died, and another that he had once been her boyfriend but the couple had subsequently broken up. (The latter theory is advanced in the 2002 biography of the Bushes, George and Laura: Portrait of an American Marriage, which states Laura Welch and Michael Douglas had dated throughout early and mid-1963, but by the fall of that year Michael was going out with Regan Gammon, one of Miss Welch's closest friends.)

The accident is difficult to understand it that it took place on a clear night on dry pavement at a crossroads described as "the middle of nowhere," where the view was unobstructed and the stop sign that faced Laura Welch was clearly visible. (The intersection was a two-way, not a four-way, stop.) Yet looking to only weather and road conditions to explain what happened is to miss the obvious: there were two teen girls in the car, girls who were on their way to a party and thus who likely would have been bubbling over with chatter about who would be there. Laura Welch, the driver, had turned 17 only two days earlier. She and her passenger were still of an age when they could all too easily shut out everything going on around them, even the approach of another car and the recognition of a stop sign.

There are those who want to believe the future First Lady deliberately and with malice aforethought murdered her (ex-)boyfriend over some now forgotten teen tiff and who point to what they view as the suspicious circumstances of the accident and the subsequent lack of prosecution as proofs of their supposition. Yet to entertain such a hypothesis is to believe the young woman would have attempted to kill another by doing away with herself. (As the driver of what was intended to be a murder weapon, she would have had no reason to believe she would survive a collision severe enough to be fatal to her prey — that events turned out that way doesn't mean that outcome could have been reasonably foreseen.) Although the theory of "I'll kill you even though I have to kill myself to do it" might still play in a person sufficiently vengeance-minded (e.g., a suicide bomber), it is far better discounted in cases where an innocent life would also be taken (e.g., a passenger in the car). Those intent upon acts of revenge are generally impelled by a misguided sense of justice, and there is precious little justice (misguided or otherwise) in causing the death of innocent parties.

Then there are the circumstances of the crash. It was 8 pm on a November night in Texas on roads far removed from any town, so it was dark. With no stop sign facing him, the doomed young man would have had no reason to slow his vehicle even if he had seen another car approaching the intersection. He therefore would have been travelling at least 50 mph. Laura Welch ran the stop sign facing her, so there is reason to assume she too was going approximately 50 mph, the speed she would have been doing if she'd had the right of way.

Consider two cars travelling in the dark at right angles to each other, each going approximately 50 mph. The span of time available in which to form murderous intent would have amounted to mere seconds, given the speed at which the event was unfolding and how close the two vehicles had to be to one another before the ill-intentioned would recognize the vehicle of her target. It doesn't add up.

One e-mailed version of the rumor tries to supply an answer to that inconsistency, saying, "She knew it was her boyfriend's car driving south, because of the unique headlight configuration of his 1962 Corvair Sedan." The vehicles were traveling at right angles to one another, so an unusual headlight array on one wouldn't have been visible to the other. (According to the experts, the headlight array on the 1962 Corvair was typical of the cars of the day; two headlights on each side, as this photo (http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B11088.jpg) shows.)

So 17-year-old Laura Welch did cause the death of a friend by running a stop sign, but to see more in the story than that is to surrender oneself up to baseless imaginings. Yes, it is always easier to attribute malice to bad outcomes, but that does not mean malice is an integral component of tragedy, especially those involving people Fate later chooses to exalt.

According to George and Laura: Portrait of an American Marriage, Laura Welch did not find out that the driver of the other vehicle had died at the scene until later when she and her girlfriend were being treated at the hospital. And she did not learn his identity until later still, when her parents arrived and broke the news to her. It shattered her.

She was barely 17 and she had taken the life of a friend. She has since carried the weight of this, and it changed her, at least according to those who knew her before and after. Only rarely has she spoken of this with the press (although she has often been asked), but even on those occasions her answers have been oblique, almost as if she cannot bear to think of it, let alone speak of it.

I got 3960 hits for ' "Laura Bush", car accident, ex'boyfriend'. Heck, I didn't even properly hyphenate "ex-boyfriend". No one's suppressing anything. :rolleyes:

great post: very accurate and informative

tennislover
Dec 29th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Liar! Post a screen shot. I think you are a liar.

Dear, you clearly ignore that Helen is one of the most appreciated and popular posters here: so she doesn't need to be a liar at all. ;)

wta_zuperfann
Dec 29th, 2005, 09:33 PM
In the State of Georgia an ORDINARY citizen would have been charded with running a stop sign and Vehicular Homicide, even though it was "just an accident"


Unfortunately, different rules apply for wealthy Republicans.